WaPo: Let’s hold free speech guilty for the acts of a lunatic, shall we?

posted at 8:41 am on November 30, 2015 by Ed Morrissey

Here’s a lead that the Washington Post has never written:

To many religious liberty advocates, it seemed only a matter of time before something like this happened. Ever since the summer, when the Southern Poverty Law Center called the Family Research Council a hate group for its opposition to same-sex marriage, threats against the organization increased. But on Wednesday, their worst fears came true: A man walked into their offices carrying Chik-Fil-A sandwiches and opened fire.

Police have not yet identified a clear motive for the shooting …

You probably never read this lead at the Washington Post in 2010, either:

To many pro-life advocates, it seemed only a matter of time before something like this happened. Ever since pro-abortion advocates pressured Pennsylvania and Philadelphia authorities into lax enforcement of clinic regulations, the threat of malpractice against the poverty-stricken area served by Kermit Gosnell’s clinic increased. A string of complaints and lawsuits — 46 lawsuits over a 32-year period — failed to prompt officials to close down his late-term abortion practice. But in 2010, the fears of pro-life advocates came true: a raid that targeted illegal drug sales exposed a butcherous practice that had murdered children born alive, and resulted in the death of at least one adult patient.

Police have not yet identified a clear motive for the inhumane charnel house uncovered in the drug raid …

However, if you read the Washington Post today, you did read this lead:

To many abortion rights advocates, it seemed only a matter of time before something like this happened.

Ever since the summer, when an antiabortion group accused Planned Parenthood of illegally selling fetal tissue, threats against the organization had escalated to unprecedented levels, abortion providers say. They stepped up collaboration with the FBI and local police and stiffened security at clinics. But on Friday, their worst fears came true: A man walked into a health center in Colorado Springs and opened fire.

Police have not yet identified a clear motive for the shooting …

So let’s get this straight. When a lunatic shoots up a Family Research Council office, it has nothing to do with its political opposition. When an abortionist runs loose because public officials are too intimidated to enforce the laws that do exist, it has nothing to do with political support for abortion. But when a lunatic shoots up an abortion clinic, it’s the fault of millions of Americans who oppose abortion, and who argue peacefully for limits on the practice and better oversight of those who operate in the industry?

Even when “police have not yet identified a clear motive for the shooting”?

The shootings in a clinic and the deaths of two people are horrific acts that everyone with a lick of sense and humanity abhors. But what the Washington Post and pro-abortion advocates are conducting in its wake is an attack on free speech and the political process, not to mention the unconscionable smearing of millions of Americans. It’s disgusting, manipulative, exploitative, and un-American. Shame on them, and shame on the Washington Post for its egregious bias.


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If you listened to the link above, you might be able to piece together more of what went down, since you listened to another source/timeline as well.

Lolo on November 30, 2015 at 10:09 AM

At the 4:55 mark, they give a run down.

Elite Vision parking lot, the reported spot for the 1st person shot is in the 2 story building next to PP.

The 2nd person shot who was in a black hatchback, which is probably the person in the PP parking lot.

Another in the parking lot of King Sooper.

Possibly a couple others in other places.

King Sooper is south of the PP and Elite Vision buildings. There is a road that goes past the banks and up to those buildings. So, he would have started south and gone north.

At 6:25 an officer reports him shooting from behind PP. Then the first officer to report being shot between King Sooper and PP. That’s a big area to be shot at. So, he was shooting at the officers on the access road from King Sooper to the PP/Elite Vision buildings.

Coming from the south, he could have easily seen the PP front door. But, the shooter decided to go to the side of the building and shoot south towards the police, who came from the King Sooper direction.

LoganSix on November 30, 2015 at 10:33 AM

Sandhya Somashekhar is the social change reporter for the Washington Post.

What the heck is a social change reporter? Social Justice Warrior in residence?

bettercallputin on November 30, 2015 at 10:34 AM

It is 750 ft from the PP corner to the Chase Bank were the officers were shot at.

Yet, doesn’t shoot inside of the PP building.

LoganSix on November 30, 2015 at 10:37 AM

Why did they shut down the grocery store a 1/4 mile away from the clinic? There is a good distance between the 2 buildings.

LoganSix on November 30, 2015 at 9:17 AM

And, no mention made of the other buildings that are immediately adjacent to the PP facility (and are probably medical clinics). Were they locked down? (Or were they shuttered because it was Black Friday?)

GWB on November 30, 2015 at 10:37 AM

LoganSix on November 30, 2015 at 10:33 AM

Ah, more good information. Thank you.
(And that does make mention of one of the other buildings, then.)

GWB on November 30, 2015 at 10:39 AM

But when a lunatic shoots up an abortion clinic, it’s the fault of millions of Americans who oppose abortion, and who argue peacefully for limits on the practice and better oversight of those who operate in the industry?
– Ed

Ed, this is just a hyperbolic way of making the right and cons the victims here.
I know the vast majority of those who oppose abortion are appalled by the actions of his guy and in no way do they support violence against PP or others.
But for sure, there is very little at HA – in posts or comments – that chastises and dismisses those whose rhetoric does cross the line. I’m not in any way suggesting that such rhetoric be shut down or speech be infringed, but it’s be nice for those folks and that rhetoric to feel fully unwelcome.
Maybe a little less victimhood here and a stronger dismissal of the talk of those who support PP as ‘murderous ghouls’…or worse.

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 10:41 AM

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 10:41 AM

LOL

HumpBot Salvation on November 30, 2015 at 10:44 AM

LoganSix on November 30, 2015 at 10:33 AM

Given that this audio is out there, you’d think some intrepid reporter would listen to it and report on its content. But, no. And that’s why I hate the MSM.

Syzygy on November 30, 2015 at 10:47 AM

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 10:41 AM

Hmmm…
A line keeps coming back to me.

I’m sure somebody kept the quote from verby, I don’t care enough to go search for it.

Instead:

Physician, heal thyself.

cozmo on November 30, 2015 at 10:48 AM

Maybe a little less victimhood here and a stronger dismissal of the talk of those who support PP as ‘murderous ghouls’…or worse.

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 10:41 AM

So you want less truth and more euphemisms, is that it?

Stoic Patriot on November 30, 2015 at 10:48 AM

You can’t be fanatical about abortion, and then whine when it gets turned around on you. How many must-see video links have been here? How many threats about shutting down PP from politicians? etc etc

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Not saying they are correct to blame you for a nut and his gun. They are not. But, you are just getting what you dish out.

Moesart on November 30, 2015 at 10:48 AM

People shouldn’t focus on the PP butchers so much at this point.

It is a win-win for the filthy gun-grabbers. Either they go down the path that we need to ban guns to protect the right of bar sluts to not be inconvenienced by their lifestyle choice. OR………… We need to ban guns because it is possible for a crazy guy living in a tiny house (not in the cool urban hipster way) to get guns.

Neither approach will include the reality that Colorado already has tough gun laws on the books.

Happy Nomad on November 30, 2015 at 10:48 AM

Maybe a little less victimhood here and a stronger dismissal of the talk of those who support PP as ‘murderous ghouls’…or worse.

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 10:41 AM

“or worse”….dun dun DUUUUUUUNNNNN!

I’m thinking equating Republicans or Christians with ISIS.

Bishop on November 30, 2015 at 10:49 AM

At 17:55 they talk about the Elite Vision victim being with doctors in 3470 Centennial Blvd. Which is the building next to PP that has Elite Vision and other offices.

At 27:40 the police officer describes that the shooter was at a white SUV, he shot at the police and then ran to the corner of the PP to shoot more.

The 2nd and 3rd officers were shot while the shooter was still in the PP parking lot.

This doesn’t sound like the scanner channel I was on or I picked it up after this recording.

LoganSix on November 30, 2015 at 10:50 AM

You can’t be fanatical about abortion, and then whine when it gets turned around on you. How many must-see video links have been here? How many threats about shutting down PP from politicians? etc etc

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Not saying they are correct to blame you for a nut and his gun. They are not. But, you are just getting what you dish out.

Moesart on November 30, 2015 at 10:48 AM

LOL

HumpBot Salvation on November 30, 2015 at 10:51 AM

I’m not in any way suggesting that such rhetoric be shut down or speech be infringed, but it’s be nice for those folks and that rhetoric to feel fully unwelcome.

What rhetoric are you talking about? I don’t see anyone here suggesting that anyone should shoot up a PP clinic or any other place.

Oh, I get what rhetoric you’re talking about. Uneditted videos showing exactly some of the manchinations going on inside PP clinics.

Oh, I get what rhetoric you’re talking about. Folks speaking out against abortion (by the way, I’m pro-choice).

Oh, I get what rhetoric you’re talking about. Folks who speak out in favor of the 2nd amendment.

Which one of these four examples of rhetoric are you talking about.

It’s multiple choice, have at it.

Walter L. Newton on November 30, 2015 at 10:52 AM

Cruz continued:

“It’s also been reported that [Robert Dear] was registered as an independent and a woman and a transgendered leftist activist. If that’s what he is, I don’t think it’s fair to blame on the rhetoric on the left. This is a murderer.”

This is not being as appreciated as you would imagine.//////////

Cindy Munford on November 30, 2015 at 9:22 AM

Cruz was the only GOP nom to come out quickly and firmly with a statement of support and prayers for the victims and their families.
So sort of a bummer to see him retreat to this sort of idiocy and tasteless joking so quickly.

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 10:54 AM

We’re getting what we dish out?

You mean like when Sarah Palin was blamed for Loughner’s actions, based on crosshairs on a map?

This is what the left always does. It’s fine when they do it, but we tell the truth and we are ‘dishing something out’ that we deserve to be rebuked for?

GFY moesart. You’re a slime ball.

JannyMae on November 30, 2015 at 10:54 AM

They own the ink and the presses.

Did the Koch bros think about buying the WaPo when it was available?

Sting on November 30, 2015 at 10:55 AM

Maybe a little less victimhood here and a stronger dismissal of the talk of those who support PP as ‘murderous ghouls’…or worse.

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 10:41 AM

Nope. IF that’s what some people believe, then that;s their opinion.

You want us to do your dirty work of shutting these opinion down.

I don’t think so.

Walter L. Newton on November 30, 2015 at 10:55 AM

And, as he was being arrested, he ranted about “baby parts.”

I think all we have for that, so far, is a “source close to the investigation”. Which could honestly mean something as inane as someone standing next to a police officer somewhere in CSprings.

Sometimes bad things happen, and when they do we must deal with it honestly. If we don’t, we lose our credibility and thus our power of persuasion.

Outlander on November 30, 2015 at 9:35 AM

Concur.

Lolo on November 30, 2015 at 9:27 AM

Just one word of warning: communications from police over their radios are about as reliable as any other immediate eyewitnesses. IOW, not much. There is a LOT of information that gets passed that might not be correct.
If approached with that grain of salt, scanner traffic can be very helpful. (And thanks to those who have posted links to more info like the scanner traffic.)

GWB on November 30, 2015 at 10:55 AM

This deserves as much respect as the media’s reaction to the revelation that the “Chick-fil-A Shooter” at the Family Research Council was driven by the rhetoric of the SPLC.
And, just who is it that has used strident rhetoric – often composed of lies – over the last decades to drive public opinion?
Certainly, that has not been the tactic of Conservatives who, more than most, deal with facts and not feelings.

Another Drew on November 30, 2015 at 10:56 AM

LoganSix on November 30, 2015 at 10:33 AM
LoganSix on November 30, 2015 at 10:50 AM

Some good logging and evaluation. I’ll look at it/listen again tomorrow. It’s about midnight here. I’m turning in.

Lolo on November 30, 2015 at 10:56 AM

Cruz was the only GOP nom to come out quickly and firmly with a statement of support and prayers for the victims and their families.
So sort of a bummer to see him retreat to this sort of idiocy and tasteless joking so quickly.

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 10:54 AM

Yeah, he’s just supposed to let you and your ilk get away with promoting your assumptions that Dear is a conservative, Christian, Republican, pro-life terrorist, as truth, even though the facts don’t support that.

JannyMae on November 30, 2015 at 10:57 AM

This exercise does give us the advantage of letting us know exact who would be out there defending the “Soylent Green” plants from Detective Thorn.

For those born after 1978 …

Det. Thorn: Ocean’s dying, plankton’s dying… it’s people. *Soylent Green is made out of people.* They’re making our food out of people. Next thing they’ll be breeding us like cattle for food. You’ve gotta tell them. You’ve gotta tell them!

J_Crater on November 30, 2015 at 10:58 AM

If approached with that grain of salt, scanner traffic can be very helpful. (And thanks to those who have posted links to more info like the scanner traffic.)

GWB on November 30, 2015 at 10:55 AM

I have a 800 mhz radio for sheriff’s department traffic and an analog for emergency services (that’s the way it’s set up in these mountains, 800 is better for long range, analog gets into the canyons better).

For my job, I’m listening to this stuff most of my waking hours, at the office, in my car and at home, with an occasional break for a movie or supper.

I could record everything, but I have to be more mobile, can’t have the radios hooked up to a computer all the time for logging purposes.

Walter L. Newton on November 30, 2015 at 10:59 AM

I’m not in any way suggesting that such rhetoric be shut down or speech be infringed, but it’s be nice for those folks and that rhetoric to feel fully unwelcome.

What rhetoric are you talking about? I don’t see anyone here suggesting that anyone should shoot up a PP clinic or any other place.

Oh, I get what rhetoric you’re talking about. Uneditted videos showing exactly some of the manchinations going on inside PP clinics.

Oh, I get what rhetoric you’re talking about. Folks speaking out against abortion (by the way, I’m pro-choice).

Oh, I get what rhetoric you’re talking about. Folks who speak out in favor of the 2nd amendment.

Which one of these four examples of rhetoric are you talking about.

It’s multiple choice, have at it.

Walter L. Newton on November 30, 2015 at 10:52 AM

I think I was clear.
As for anyone suggesting or calling for shooting up a PP clinic, I think you (and I am confident Ed) would agree that falls into a wholly different category.

In the initial thread, Vanceone offered that the shooter ‘saved more lives than he took’.
He should be free to say that, but I would have liked to see folks admonish him for it.

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 10:59 AM

In 2009 a disabled pro-life demonstrator was shot and killed outside a high school in Michigan. It’s amazing – well maybe not so amazing p how little media coverage this received.

http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2009/09/pro-life-demonstrator-shot-and-killed/

bw222 on November 30, 2015 at 11:00 AM

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 10:41 AM

But they, and you, ARE ghouls. You are so concerned about the “legal” part of “safe, legal, and rare” you ignore “safe” and openly agitate against “rare”.

And Ed’s comparisons are spot-on, not playing the victim. The victim here is the truth. Just because you *agree* with the WaPo doesn’t make any of it correct.

Jeff Weimer on November 30, 2015 at 11:00 AM

Cruz was the only GOP nom to come out quickly and firmly with a statement of support and prayers for the victims and their families.
So sort of a bummer to see him retreat to this sort of idiocy and tasteless joking so quickly.

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 10:54 AM

Yeah, he’s just supposed to let you and your ilk get away with promoting your assumptions that Dear is a conservative, Christian, Republican, pro-life terrorist, as truth, even though the facts don’t support that.

JannyMae on November 30, 2015 at 10:57 AM

He is insane.
But for sure he’s closer to what you offer than what Cruz does.
I’m aware Cruz was trying to be clever.

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 11:01 AM

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 10:59 AM

I’m sorry some of us have insufficient zeal for your taste in our self-criticism.

Jeff Weimer on November 30, 2015 at 11:03 AM

This exercise does give us the advantage of letting us know exact who would be out there defending the “Soylent Green” plants from Detective Thorn.

J_Crater on November 30, 2015 at 10:58 AM

Interestingly enough, I put the connections between the author of “Make room! Make room!”, which is the book Soylent Green is based off of to the chief Science and Technology adviser to Obama in some Tweets on Friday.

Basically, the adviser to Obama who is pro-Climate Change is also a someone who believes that the world was over populated at 2 billion people and that the population needs to be reduced.

LoganSix on November 30, 2015 at 11:04 AM

Maybe a little less victimhood here and a stronger dismissal of the talk of those who support PP as ‘murderous ghouls’…or worse.

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 10:41 AM

Because the left has never politicized these sorts of things before, have they? As an attempt to blame the right for all evil in the world? Nah, never happened.
(Oh, and they are murderous ghouls.)

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Moesart on November 30, 2015 at 10:48 AM

Wouldn’t that be more appropriate being directed at PP? (Though it would be “knife”.)

So sort of a bummer to see him retreat to this sort of idiocy and tasteless joking so quickly.

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 10:54 AM

Because you’re worried he might cut into your piece of the action?

GWB on November 30, 2015 at 11:04 AM

Walter L. Newton on November 30, 2015 at 10:59 AM

You should hook up your computer to record it.

GWB on November 30, 2015 at 11:09 AM

So sort of a bummer to see him retreat to this sort of idiocy and tasteless joking so quickly.

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 10:54 AM

Because you’re worried he might cut into your piece of the action?

GWB on November 30, 2015 at 11:04 AM

No, because I think it’s an idiotic response.
But you are free to welcome and see great wisdom in it.
In response to suggestions that the more extreme rhetoric from the right or cons on this issue has any play here, Cruz’s is a sad an ironic retort.
But he can’t help himself, I know.
Even Huckabee was able to manage this one.

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 11:10 AM

He is insane.
But for sure he’s closer to what you offer than what Cruz does.
I’m aware Cruz was trying to be clever.
verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 11:01 AM

Cruz was only repeating factual evidence found in public records. Thus, the only current objective evidence supports that the nut is closer to Cruz’ description than your wish list. Although at this point nothing is conclusive.

tommyboy on November 30, 2015 at 11:15 AM

Old Hotness:

So sort of a bummer to see him retreat to this sort of idiocy and tasteless joking so quickly.

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 10:54 AM

Maybe a little less victimhood here and a stronger dismissal of the talk of those who support PP as ‘murderous ghouls’…or worse.

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 10:41 AM

New Hotness:

After the recent Planned Parenthood attacks, I saw thousands of right wingers cheering on rooftops and at tailgate parties.

urban elitist on November 30, 2015 at 8:20 AM

Zing

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 10:45 AM

GFY you predictable, whiny hypocritical passive-aggresive ignorant piece of trash.

HumpBot Salvation on November 30, 2015 at 11:15 AM

Cruz was the only GOP nom to come out quickly and firmly with a statement of support and prayers for the victims and their families.
So sort of a bummer to see him retreat to this sort of idiocy and tasteless joking so quickly.

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 10:54 AM

That actually was reported, not a joke. He was making a valid point, which apparently went right over your head in your pursuit of making sure we accept blame and flagellate ourselves over this incident before the facts are in. Don’t make yourself the victim here.

Jeff Weimer on November 30, 2015 at 11:17 AM

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 10:54 AM

He was making a valid point, which apparently went right over your head

Jeff Weimer on November 30, 2015 at 11:17 AM

Yep.

GWB on November 30, 2015 at 11:21 AM

HumpBot Salvation on November 30, 2015 at 11:15 AM

Touche’. That sure shut the hypocrite up.

tommyboy on November 30, 2015 at 11:24 AM

I have the ability to sound dumber than I am when all the facts are in and known. I shall wait for the facts to come out, then I will comment and look like an idiot.

I feel for the families.

HonestLib on November 30, 2015 at 11:25 AM

After the recent Planned Parenthood attacks, I saw thousands of right wingers cheering on rooftops and at tailgate parties.

urban elitist on November 30, 2015 at 8:20 AM

Zing

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 10:45 AM

GFY you predictable, whiny hypocritical passive-aggresive ignorant piece of trash.

HumpBot Salvation on November 30, 2015 at 11:15 AM

Oh,come on.
That was a good knock on Trump.

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 11:25 AM

Cruz was the only GOP nom to come out quickly and firmly with a statement of support and prayers for the victims and their families.
So sort of a bummer to see him retreat to this sort of idiocy and tasteless joking so quickly.

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 10:54 AM

That actually was reported, not a joke. He was making a valid point, which apparently went right over your head in your pursuit of making sure we accept blame and flagellate ourselves over this incident before the facts are in. Don’t make yourself the victim here.

Jeff Weimer on November 30, 2015 at 11:17 AM

I said that I know he was trying to be clever.
And nobody ever reported or suggested at all that this guy was a ‘transgendered leftists activist’.
Cruz was all snicker and chortle on that one.
You know those Harvard Law types…

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 11:27 AM

The Washington Post has its Democrat marching orders.

Baggi on November 30, 2015 at 11:30 AM

Knew this was coming. It was too much for them to resist.

Many people get shot up in Paris by an organized Muslim group, and they are so restrained in making broad-brush statements.

A lone crazy-looking guy shoots people at (near?) a Planned Parenthood, and suddenly rhetoric matters.

LancerDL on November 30, 2015 at 11:47 AM

He is insane.
But for sure he’s closer to what you offer than what Cruz does.
I’m aware Cruz was trying to be clever.

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 11:01 AM

You’re not aware of much of anything, and you completely missed my point. The left glommed onto this and blatantly promoted it as a pro-life Christian, who aimed his gun at PP with the approval of all other pro-life Christians. That’s what they did, because that’s what they do, and it’s what they are still doing. It won’t matter what the truth about this crazy man’s motive is, the allegation is now a fact, for the left, and it will be promoted as such regardless.

Yet you claim we’re whining about being “victims?”

Eff you and the leftist horse you rode in on.

JannyMae on November 30, 2015 at 11:50 AM

You mean like when Sarah Palin was blamed for Loughner’s actions, based on crosshairs on a map?

JannyMae on November 30, 2015 at 10:54 AM

those “crosshairs” are a normal map icon. they are called a Principal Point
example from us gov
http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/TopographicMapSymbols/topomapsymbols.pdf
page s control data/monuments shows it
wish everyone would stop calling them crosshairs as it feeds the meme

dmacleo on November 30, 2015 at 11:52 AM

Verb is so dense he can’t even tell when Cruz is making fun of him and his ilk.

Spliff Menendez on November 30, 2015 at 11:55 AM

The left glommed onto this and blatantly promoted it as a pro-life Christian, who aimed his gun at PP with the approval of all other pro-life Christians.
— moi

By the way, they were doing this even before the alleged anonymous source made the alleged comment that the alleged shooter had allegedly made reference to “no more body parts.”

Propaganda before the dead bodies were even counted. Pure and simple, you leftists have no shame. None whatsoever. No wonder you call murder “choice.”

JannyMae on November 30, 2015 at 11:57 AM

Scumbag Politicians are trying to use the acts of lunatics for their own political advantage and the mindless media plays right into their hands. They want you to think that the issue here is abortion, guns or whatever, But it’s not. The real issue is that large numbers dangerously mentally ill people are allowed to freely roam the streets and live among us completely unsupervised and mostly untreated and we act surprised when they do harm.

Wallythedog on November 30, 2015 at 11:59 AM

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 11:01 AM

Yet you claim we’re whining about being “victims?”

JannyMae on November 30, 2015 at 11:50 AM

I do see that as a frequent prism through which many on the right and many cons view the world.

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 12:01 PM

Ironic that the embedded ad on this story is for an abortafaecent form of birth control.

Surfcat on November 30, 2015 at 12:01 PM

Verb is so dense he can’t even tell when Cruz is making fun of him and his ilk.

Spliff Menendez on November 30, 2015 at 11:55 AM

Take a moment to read my comments and not the responses to them.
I’m fully aware of who Cruz is snickering at.

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 12:02 PM

I do see that as a frequent prism through which many on the right and many cons view the world.

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 12:01 PM

That’s because you’re as blind as you are ignorant.

HumpBot Salvation on November 30, 2015 at 12:06 PM

I do see that as a frequent prism through which many on the right and many cons view the world.

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 12:01 PM</blockquote

Of course you "see" that. You're a dishonest leftist. Why wouldn't you "see" that? You have zero self-awareness.

He should be free to say that, but I would have liked to see folks admonish him for it.

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 10:59 AM

When have you admonished your cohorts for claiming this man is a Christian, pro-life conservative, prior to them knowing anything whatsoever about him?

JannyMae on November 30, 2015 at 12:07 PM

Bravo, Ed!

The Left is eager to get their narrative popularized ASAP so that, like the Ferguson Lie, no amount of facts can later reverse it.

petefrt on November 30, 2015 at 12:09 PM

When have you admonished your cohorts for claiming this man is a Christian, pro-life conservative, prior to them knowing anything whatsoever about him?

JannyMae on November 30, 2015 at 12:07 PM

Never, he’s too busy whining about “cons” here. verbaduece is a dishonest POS.

HumpBot Salvation on November 30, 2015 at 12:12 PM

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 10:41 AM

Can we please abort, er ban, this waste of internet bandwith?

Nutstuyu on November 30, 2015 at 12:56 PM

Someone did some digging into his background and family. He sounds like an adult version of Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook shooter. His dad was a Citadel grad, WW2 vet and worked for L&M until he retired. This guy was probably left a trust to live on since he didn’t seem to ever be employed. He has other relatives but the lsm doesn’t seem to be interested in crawling through their lives.

Kissmygrits on November 30, 2015 at 1:29 PM

Yes, I’m sure the WaPo is stricken with shame. They’ll never do it again.

rrpjr on November 30, 2015 at 1:44 PM

Is this really a surprise to anybody?
The liberal media has to set the narrative quickly, vilifying anyone who goes against their agenda, before any facts are even known. They know the low-info, media-on-demand people will only remember the first little bits of the discussion.

Sterling Holobyte on November 30, 2015 at 9:16 AM

And even the journolistas who know something has been debunked thoroughly continue to use it, because their listeners don’t ever here the truth elsewhere and wouldn’t call them on the lies if they had.

AesopFan on November 30, 2015 at 1:49 PM

Bravo, Ed!

The Left is eager to get their narrative popularized ASAP so that, like the Ferguson Lie, no amount of facts can later reverse it.

petefrt on November 30, 2015 at 12:09 PM

Indeed.
I’m sure the movie version will be out as soon as Truth finishes — ah — cleaning up at the box offices.

AesopFan on November 30, 2015 at 1:58 PM

Why would they do this?

JannyMae on November 30, 2015 at 10:01 AM

Somebody higher up the food chain told them to. Can’t have the truth coming out because it will hurt the narrative. Just ask Rahm about that police video he sealed until well after his reelection.

Johnnyreb on November 30, 2015 at 10:15 AM

I wish some lawyers or prosecutors would chime in on the frequency with which information is sealed, and the usual justifications.
Otherwise, it’s fair game for the TFHS.

PS dear verbaluce, I think it is terrible that anyone shoots anyone for any reason other than self-defense; when are you going to post the table you must have created showing exactly how many people here at HA defend and admire such shooters vs how many oppose such violence, and let us see where your red line is drawn on the appropriate numbers of each?

AesopFan on November 30, 2015 at 2:01 PM

In the initial thread, Vanceone offered that the shooter ‘saved more lives than he took’.
He should be free to say that, but I would have liked to see folks admonish him for it.

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 10:59 AM

A bunch of commenters did.

When are lefties like you going to denounce the regular habit of Democrats using “inflammatory rhetoric” to denounce conservatives or the GOP?

But maybe you’re just a hypocrite:

After the recent Planned Parenthood attacks, I saw thousands of right wingers cheering on rooftops and at tailgate parties.

urban elitist on November 30, 2015 at 8:20 AM

Zing

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 10:45 AM

GFY you predictable, whiny hypocritical passive-aggresive ignorant piece of trash.

HumpBot Salvation on November 30, 2015 at 11:15 AM

gwelf on November 30, 2015 at 2:34 PM

After the recent Planned Parenthood attacks, I saw thousands of right wingers cheering on rooftops and at tailgate parties.

urban elitist on November 30, 2015 at 8:20 AM

Zing

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 10:45 AM

GFY you predictable, whiny hypocritical passive-aggresive ignorant piece of trash.

HumpBot Salvation on November 30, 2015 at 11:15 AM

gwelf on November 30, 2015 at 2:34 PM

I intended to tip my hat to urban elitist re: Trump being mocked and read his comment that way.
I see that another interpretation is easily garnered, and one I did not mean to imply.
My bad…I apologize.

verbaluce on November 30, 2015 at 3:28 PM

Wapo is deranged and bigoted, way beyond bias.

russedav on November 30, 2015 at 3:38 PM

But when a lunatic shoots up an abortion clinic, it’s the fault of millions of Americans who oppose abortion, and who argue peacefully for limits on the practice and better oversight of those who operate in the industry?

A) the prolife movement doesn’t argue peacefully for better oversight, they lie through their teeth to get any advantage against abortion providers. The CMP videos are ample evidence of that.

B) this is d*mn rich coming from people who insist every muslim has to abjectly apologize and abase themselves for every act of violence done by fanatics.

C) let me know when you plan to replace ‘terrorist’ with ‘lunatic’ in your reporting. Until then we’ll know you’re not being honest in the slightest.

Tlaloc on November 30, 2015 at 4:34 PM

Tlaloc on November 30, 2015 at 4:34 PM

Did mom unplug your computer for the day? Or did the talking points email get redirected to your spam folder?
A) Not even true.
B) Because their holy books claim it’s what they should do.
C) Define “terrorist”. (I know your definition is not the actual one.)

GWB on November 30, 2015 at 4:47 PM

A) Not even true.
B) Because their holy books claim it’s what they should do.
C) Define “terrorist”. (I know your definition is not the actual one.)

GWB on November 30, 2015 at 4:47 PM

A) yes, actually it is true.
B) so does yours.
C) ter·ror·ist
ˈterərəst/
noun
noun: terrorist; plural noun: terrorists

a person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims.

Tlaloc on November 30, 2015 at 4:49 PM

a person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims.

Tlaloc on November 30, 2015 at 4:49 PM

Do you have some inside knowledge, of the investigation by police, that factually proves this is what happened in this case?

If not, the STFU, because it seems they’ve buried the motive for the shootings.

JannyMae on November 30, 2015 at 4:55 PM

a person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims.

Tlaloc on November 30, 2015 at 4:49 PM

And that fits this shooting how? Based on actual, known information?

And you’re full of sh!t on A & B. Like always.

GWB on November 30, 2015 at 5:02 PM

Do you have some inside knowledge, of the investigation by police, that factually proves this is what happened in this case?

If not, the STFU, because it seems they’ve buried the motive for the shootings.

JannyMae on November 30, 2015 at 4:55 PM

Would you like to say something that actually pertains to my comments or are you intending to continue arguing against your own imagination?

Tlaloc on November 30, 2015 at 5:13 PM

And that fits this shooting how? Based on actual, known information?

And you’re full of sh!t on A & B. Like always.

GWB on November 30, 2015 at 5:02 PM

See above and learn to read.

Tlaloc on November 30, 2015 at 5:14 PM

Would you like to say something that actually pertains to my comments or are you intending to continue arguing against your own imagination?

Tlaloc on November 30, 2015 at 5:13 PM

You insisted on someone referring to this lunatic as a terrorist. On what factual basis do you claim that Dear was a terrorist?

Your feigned obtuseness isn’t going to work here.

JannyMae on November 30, 2015 at 5:31 PM

You insisted on someone referring to this lunatic as a terrorist. On what factual basis do you claim that Dear was a terrorist?

Your feigned obtuseness isn’t going to work here.

JannyMae on November 30, 2015 at 5:31 PM

Except I never said that. Learn to read.

I said that until Hotair starts referring to terrorists as just lunatics we’ll know for a fact their argument here was transparent BS.

Tlaloc on November 30, 2015 at 5:46 PM

on a related topic:

Alabama settles Planned Parenthood suit; will pay fees

Alabama would pay just over $51,000 in legal fees to settle a lawsuit brought by Planned Parenthood Southeast over Gov. Robert Bentley’s attempt to cancel the organization’s Medicaid contract, under an agreement filed in federal court Monday morning.

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/politics/southunionstreet/2015/11/30/alabama-settles-planned-parenthood-suit-pay-fees/76566526/

Tlaloc on November 30, 2015 at 5:58 PM

I find it stunning that an entity that makes its living off of the first amendment (the mainstream press) is the first to denounce free speech.

Faramir on November 30, 2015 at 6:28 PM

Tlaloc on November 30, 2015 at 5:58 PM

You support killing unborn humans. Keep praying there is no hell.

CWforFreedom on November 30, 2015 at 9:04 PM

I find it stunning that an entity that makes its living off of the first amendment (the mainstream press) is the first to denounce free speech.

Faramir on November 30, 2015 at 6:28 PM

Because they’re not advocating against their own expression. I’m quite sure that most established press was okay with the idea that only the 80-90% liberal press was allowed to comment on political races under McCain-Feingold “Campaign Funding Reform” act.

Axeman on November 30, 2015 at 10:52 PM

I’m living the dream: No Country for Old Men….

Sherman1864 on December 1, 2015 at 1:22 AM

Shame on them?, they don’t have any shame. There is a blind arrogance that that makes them statist thugs to begin with.

arand on December 1, 2015 at 12:10 PM