Kasich web ad hits Trump: First he came for the Muslims

posted at 12:01 pm on November 25, 2015 by Allahpundit

Jim Geraghty, no Trump fan, has already done a nifty job not just of picking apart the individual claims in this clip but of comparing Trump’s excesses to the left’s own fascist flirtations, from official White House policies on down to campus “safe spaces.” Did Trump say that all Muslims should register with the government? He insists he only meant Syrian refugees, not Muslim citizens. Did he ever call for deporting “Hispanic immigrants”? He called for deporting all illegal immigrants, not just the Hispanic ones — and then letting many of them back in eventually. Did he claim it was okay to rough up “black protesters”? He did say that a black protester who heckled him maybe deserved to get roughed up, but like Geraghty says, there’s no reason to racialize that. Trump being Trump, he probably would have said the same thing about a white protester — which doesn’t excuse the creepy viciousness of his sentiment but does upset the “Trump versus minorities” storyline here. And as for Trump wanting to “suppress journalists,” is Team Kasich talking about … this? Jorge Ramos disrupting a press conference by refusing to stop talking over other reporters and waiting his turn to be called on? C’mon.

Maybe Team Kasich thinks turnabout is fair play. Trump isn’t, shall we say, a stickler for factual accuracy in the things he says. Why should Kasich be in attacking him? The important question, though, is whether an ad like this will work. Don’t bet on it, says David Frum:

When a Jeb Bush, John Kasich, Chris Christie, or Marco Rubio attacks Donald Trump as an unfit commander in chief because of this wild statement or that (and Trump’s statements can be plenty wild!), they miss the point. Reckless talk about the Iran nuclear deal, or the war in Syria, or the Russian assault on Ukraine may trouble voters—but the deal is made or unmade on a candidates’s credibility on border security. On that issue, the elected-office Republicans have all crowded together where the party isn’t, and Trump alone dominates the ground where the party is. He is the one positioned to attack them as naive and weak, not the other way around.

And how about the suggestion that Trump is a fascist dictator in the making? Good luck with that, too. Yes, over the past week, Donald Trump has wandered into territory where democratic politicians do not go. Jeb Bush and John Kasich have spoken up—a show of courage and character that should redound to their credit. Yet if there is one concept that conservative media have tried to pound into the heads of their listeners and readers, it is that fascism is always and everywhere a left-wing phenomenon. By definition, therefore, Trump can’t be a fascist—and anybody who says otherwise is probably a covert liberal himself or herself.

The key to Trump’s invulnerability is his stand on immigration, Frum argues. If you want to destroy him, make the case that he’s a closet amnesty fan, a guy who scolded the GOP for the harshness of its immigration proposals in 2012, who’s used illegal immigrant labor himself on some of his building projects, and whose immigration rhetoric even now imagines readmitting many illegals into the United States legally after they’ve been deported. The core of Trump’s unbreakable appeal is that voters who no longer trust other Republicans, especially on immigration, think they can trust him. Destroy that trust and you destroy his candidacy.

The alternative is to do what Kasich’s doing here, trying to shame Republicans into not voting for him. That seems nuts if the idea is to get Trump fans, who’ve already endured umpteen thousand attempts to shame them during the last few months, to dump him now. If you’re looking to weaken the support Trump already has, Frum’s plan is a smarter play — and don’t think Team Cruz, which covets Trump’s voters, doesn’t know that. Why do you suppose Cruz’s new immigration plan is so robust and so detailed on enforcement mechanisms? Eventually Cruz is going to end up arguing that not only does Trump not really know what he’s talking about on immigration policy, he’s as much of a soft-on-illegals fraud given his own past statements as Rubio is. I think the target audience for this spot isn’t Trump fans but rather undecideds who might not care as much about immigration (if they did, they’d already be on Team Trump, no?) but are starting to pay attention to the race now and are looking at Trump amid all the buzz around him. He’s not going to win the nomination pulling the 25-30 percent in polls he’s getting now; he might win an early state or two, but as the field narrows, his competitors will begin to consolidate voters among their closest competitors. If you can steer undecideds away from him, you can hold him to 30-35 percent or whatever and all but guarantee that someone else wins the nomination.

And if that’s the approach, it tells you how much establishmentarians are now resigned to the idea of Trump being a factor in the primaries. For six months, the plan was to destroy his support by waving him off as a boorish joke and waiting for him to “gaffe” himself out of the race. The strategy now, apparently, is to simply contain him. Hmmmm. Exit question: How exactly does this ad benefit Kasich again? Does Kasich think he’s the logical second choice for moderates who really like belligerence in a candidate? I don’t get it.


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Turban elshitist on November 25, 2015 at 12:23 PM

Is that the best you can do?

they lie on November 25, 2015 at 2:15 PM

It’s a mixed bag.

A populist is someone who is “for the people,” and a nationalist focuses on “the strength and identity of a nation.” So, Trump may be pretty good on immigration and foreign policy (to some extent), but bad elsewhere.

Like I said: mixed bag.

Aizen on November 25, 2015 at 2:10 PM

I agree.

But with that being said, someone who just governed purely by the polls would be demonstrably better than the “leadership” we’ve had in the last 16 years.

Doomberg on November 25, 2015 at 2:20 PM

So tell me, what’s the justification for trying to limit LEGAL immigration?

TBSchemer on November 25, 2015 at 12:57 PM

The US takes in more legal immigrants than all the other nations in the world combined. Many, if not most, of the legal immigrants are based on family reunification and national lotteries rather than merit based. Immigrants – both legal and illegal – are more likely than native born citizens. Over 50% of immigrants are on welfare, which you claim to loathe.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/01/immigrant-welfare-use-report/71517072/

We need an objective scoring system based on education and other factors, like Canada has, to determine which potential immigrants we accept.

bw222 on November 25, 2015 at 2:21 PM

Most of the people here have little regard for rational, logically-sound arguments that debunk their long-held beliefs. That would be why I’m not particularly popular here. ;)

TBSchemer on November 25, 2015 at 12:43 PM

Sure, your tendency to condescend whilst simultaneously boast has nothing to do with it.

fossten on November 25, 2015 at 2:22 PM

GOPe and Kasitch calls Trump a Nazi…and all of his supporters are too?

d1carter on November 25, 2015 at 2:24 PM

I’m also impressed with TBSchemer’s lists of things to do and things TO BE done…
TO DO, open up borders….
To BE DONE (sometime)…end Minimum Wage & Welfare State.

Kinda like “Moderate” Republicans compromises to “reduce the Deficit” Tax Increases (Today)….Reduced Spending (Tomorrow)

How about we stand that on it’s head, too? You join with “us” to end the Minimum Wage and to end the Welfare State. Then let’s talk….

JFKY on November 25, 2015 at 2:36 PM

GOPe and Kasitch calls Trump a Nazi…and all of his supporters are too?

d1carter on November 25, 2015 at 2:24 PM

This is irresponsible and looks desperate. Nobody looks at Trump and sees a Nazi, and most people in this country are familiar enough with Godwin’s Law to know that the person who invokes Nazi comparisons has lost the debate and is unserious.

So what was the GOP plan here? Kasich concedes he can’t win, so suddenly other candidates’ donors are giving to his SuperPAC which, in turn, goes 100% over-the-top negative on Trump to try and take him out for the benefit of other candidates? Bizarre.

Outlander on November 25, 2015 at 2:52 PM

The minimum wage laws are even less likely to go away than welfare and lax immigration. And it’s not just that. With massive immigration we get no time to assimilate people who don’t want to be assimilated in the first place. So we get people who support sharia law, and people who support the welfare state even more. You are just not thinking straight.

Fenris on November 25, 2015 at 1:51 PM

Why would they come here when we’re actively eliminating the welfare state? No, when we’re cutting off the welfare stream, the ones who want welfare will go to Europe, and the ones who want free markets will come here.

TBSchemer on November 25, 2015 at 3:17 PM

Sure, your tendency to condescend whilst simultaneously boast has nothing to do with it.

fossten on November 25, 2015 at 2:22 PM

Sure, blame the issue on the fact that I pointed out the issue.

TBSchemer on November 25, 2015 at 3:18 PM

We need an objective scoring system based on education and other factors, like Canada has, to determine which potential immigrants we accept.

bw222 on November 25, 2015 at 2:21 PM

And how are you going to prevent the Democrats from corrupting that scoring system to favor socialists, just as they have every other executive branch agency?

TBSchemer on November 25, 2015 at 3:20 PM

And how are you going to prevent the Democrats from corrupting that scoring system to favor socialists, just as they have every other executive branch agency?

TBSchemer on November 25, 2015 at 3:20 PM

Stop immigration. That should do it.

darwin on November 25, 2015 at 3:31 PM

Nobody looks at Trump and sees a Nazi.

I think you’re wrong there. His rhetoric has gone so far across the line that the accusation of “fascist” is being used for a presidential candidate in earnest (as opposed to the usual silly hyperbole)—when was the last time that happened?

CivilDiscourse on November 25, 2015 at 3:36 PM

I think you’re wrong there. His rhetoric has gone so far across the line that the accusation of “fascist” is being used for a presidential candidate in earnest (as opposed to the usual silly hyperbole)—when was the last time that happened?

CivilDiscourse on November 25, 2015 at 3:36 PM

2008 and every day since?

darwin on November 25, 2015 at 3:38 PM

Ah, TBSchemer/Sir Bedivere/Dr. Pangloss has returned, no doubt you found your PHI 520 class enlightening…
“Why would they come here when we are actively eliminating the Welfare State?”

HAVE YOU BEEN HIT IN THE HEAD WITH A BRICK or DROPPED ON YOUR HEAD, REPEATEDLY, AS A CHILD?

Where is this “actively eliminating the Welfare State” you speak of?

As we are NOT actively or passively or in any way shape or form eliminating the Welfare State, your statement is Ludicrous.

Please try harder to stay rooted in the THIS world, some farcical, fanciful world of “Libertarianism.”

So again, END THE WELFARE STATE…don’t talk about it….don’t pre-suppose it, don’t ASSUME IT DO IT, then we can revisit the idea of open borders, or at least greatly enhanced Immigration.

JFKY on November 25, 2015 at 3:39 PM

Any other LHW member getting almost daily emails for holiday discounts at Trump Hotels? I think that’s what has him losing more sleep at night than anything else. Yep, special holiday deals at Trump Hotels, everywhere else: full, this Christmas Season.

Marcus on November 25, 2015 at 3:49 PM

Kasich ads benefit Trump

Will help him with crossover voters

The ad gains Kasich nothing, but Kasich was not in the race to win. He was in the race to be a spoiler. So people can dump money on the Kasich account, and let the dirt stick on the little K

Now that is why Kasich and the other pipsqueaks are still allowed on stage by the party, who calculated how many spoilers were required in the primaries.

I hope they run these ads until the well runs dry

They really hurt the GOP image too

There is simply too much goodwill out there for Trump

The more they attack him, the more the public identifies with Trump and fears for themselves

entagor on November 25, 2015 at 3:56 PM

There is simply too much goodwill out there for Trump

The stupid, it burns.

Marcus on November 25, 2015 at 4:01 PM

Time to crap your pants Marcus, the foolish loser.

Schadenfreude on November 25, 2015 at 4:07 PM

The stupid, it burns.

Marcus on November 25, 2015 at 4:01 PM

Doesn’t it? Here’s a hose, and a pacifier.

Schadenfreude on November 25, 2015 at 4:08 PM

this Christmas Season.

Marcus on November 25, 2015 at 3:49 PM

Is glorious. Monday will knock you out.

Schadenfreude on November 25, 2015 at 4:09 PM

I guess it is “stupid” to enforce immigration laws, “stupid” to negotiate trade deals that benefit America instead of foreign countries, “stupid” to enforce 2nd amendment rights for the people, “stupid” to reduce taxes, create jobs for American workers, etc etc etc

Senator Philip Bluster on November 25, 2015 at 4:13 PM

Obama Pardons National Turkey

I didn’t know Kasich was in jail

Senator Philip Bluster on November 25, 2015 at 4:15 PM

The core of Trump’s unbreakable appeal is that voters who no longer trust other Republicans, especially on immigration, think they can trust him. Destroy that trust and you destroy his candidacy.

No, wrong logic. Destroy that trust and there’s no one to trust.

What, they think the result would be a switch to placing trust in Jeb or Think-of-the-children Kasich?

Lolo on November 25, 2015 at 4:44 PM

Kasich claiming that tRump is coming for Muslims misses the mark completely. After the terror attacks in Paris, lots of Americans (including some of the Republican candidates and state Governors) are against importing thousands of Syrian “refugees”, so why would this hurt tRump more than other Republicans who agree with him on this issue?

There are better ways of taking down tRump, including:

1. Reminding voters of liberal positions he has taken in the past, including donating money to Hillary Clinton;

2. Reminding voters of tRump’s derogatory comments toward women, which would incite them to vote Democrat.

3. Showing head-to-head polls showing tRump losing to Hillary while other Republicans are ahead of her.

Steve Z on November 25, 2015 at 5:03 PM

1. Reminding voters of liberal positions he has taken in the past, including donating money to Hillary Clinton;

2. Reminding voters of tRump’s derogatory comments toward women, which would incite them to vote Democrat.

3. Showing head-to-head polls showing tRump losing to Hillary while other Republicans are ahead of her.

Steve Z on November 25, 2015 at 5:03 PM

You go ahead and run with that.

darwin on November 25, 2015 at 5:06 PM

LashRambo on November 25, 2015 at 12:20 PM

That’s what nationalism is. It also overlaps with populism.

A populist/nationalist is likely going to be “right-wing” on immigration and trade, but very “left-wing” on entitlement spending, social programs, taxes, government power, the size of federal bureaucracy, etc.

It’s a mixed bag.

A populist is someone who is “for the people,” and a nationalist focuses on “the strength and identity of a nation.” So, Trump may be pretty good on immigration and foreign policy (to some extent), but bad elsewhere.

Like I said: mixed bag.

Aizen on November 25, 2015 at 2:10 PM

That sounds right. We need to get government out of our lives. If the choice is between Trump and a conservative, I’m picking the latter. Jeb’s and Kasich’s comments at the debate about Trump’s immigration plan were so stupid, but notice, they have little support. The field will get winnowed down. I want a conservative.

LashRambo on November 25, 2015 at 5:11 PM

2008 and every day since?

darwin on November 25, 2015 at 3:38 PM

Cute answer, but no. No actual, legitimate pols, jornos, nor pundits called Mcain/Palin or Romney/Ryan Fascist. No one is calling anyone but Trump Fascist. He’s earned it—and it’s a tough moniker to earn.

CivilDiscourse on November 25, 2015 at 5:15 PM

Cute answer, but no. No actual, legitimate pols, jornos, nor pundits called Mcain/Palin or Romney/Ryan Fascist. No one is calling anyone but Trump Fascist. He’s earned it—and it’s a tough moniker to earn.

CivilDiscourse on November 25, 2015 at 5:15 PM

Trump hasn’t earned it. These are the ravings of scared, lunatic establishment politicians and their backers who are terrified that their open border amnesty plan won’t go through.

darwin on November 25, 2015 at 5:36 PM

First he came for the Muslims

Damn right – And Obama should be the first one that Trump fires!!!!

redguy on November 25, 2015 at 6:23 PM

I guess Kasich is reaching back from beyond the grave, because he IS dead meat walking in this election, to take out Trump?

All of these attacks and ads do what, people?

Just make Trump supporters like him the more.

I’m from the dang South and we like a rebel in this election…especially.

Sherman1864 on November 25, 2015 at 6:29 PM

Trump hasn’t earned it.

darwin on November 25, 2015 at 5:36 PM

When he proposes religious litmus tests for asylum, when he publishes white nationalist flat-out lies in order to stoke racial hatred, when his followers here agree with calls for a national Muslim registry, when you have armed militia doxxing Muslims in Texas as the latest salvo in nationalistic, jingoistic, xenophobic actions that fall right in line with his rhetoric, he’s earned the Fascist label.

And not too long ago, he identified as a Democrat. Who can’t see he’s playing to the worst demons of conservative tendencies?

CivilDiscourse on November 25, 2015 at 6:40 PM

When he proposes religious litmus tests for asylum, when he publishes white nationalist flat-out lies in order to stoke racial hatred, when his followers here agree with calls for a national Muslim registry, when you have armed militia doxxing Muslims in Texas as the latest salvo in nationalistic, jingoistic, xenophobic actions that fall right in line with his rhetoric, he’s earned the Fascist label.

And not too long ago, he identified as a Democrat. Who can’t see he’s playing to the worst demons of conservative tendencies?

CivilDiscourse on November 25, 2015 at 6:40 PM

Hmmmmm … judging from your descriptive language that typically only fascists leftists use, I’d say you probably have a right to the label fascist yourself.

nationalistic?

jingoistic? Who in the f**k uses that except a die hard leftist?

xenophobic?

Only people who can’t, won’t or are too scared to discuss the real problems facing America use cover language like that.

Come back when you can admit illegal aliens and muslims are very real problems in America.

darwin on November 25, 2015 at 6:53 PM

darwin on November 25, 2015 at 6:53 PM

+100

CivilDiscourse (great nic, being a favorite topic of the Finger Wagger In Chief) is a flaming progressive. Also too stupid to realize his language and accent identify him as one immediately, much like an offensive odor.

Dolce Far Niente on November 25, 2015 at 7:00 PM

So . . . ad hominem is all ya got? Come on, use your words and ideas; you can do it.

CivilDiscourse on November 25, 2015 at 7:24 PM

Civil Discourse….you’re ignorant.

As Andrew McCarthy noted at National Review, federal law already requires a “religious test” of sorts when assessing the suitability of a refugee.

McCarthy points out that under Section 1101(a)(42)(A) of Title 8, U.S. Code the term “refugee” is clearly defined and applicants for asylum into the U.S. must meet the terms of that definition to be eligible for acceptance. Religion is part of that definition.
The term “refugee” means (A) any person who is outside any country of such person’s nationality … and who is unable or unwilling to return to … that country because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of … religion [among other things] …[.]
McCarthy goes on to make some very important points saying:
The law requires a “religious test.” And the reason for that is obvious. Asylum law is not a reflection of the incumbent president’s personal (and rather eccentric) sense of compassion. Asylum is a discretionary national act of compassion that is directed, by law not whim, to address persecution.
There is no right to immigrate to the United States. And the fact that one comes from a country or territory ravaged by war does not, by itself, make one an asylum candidate. War, regrettably, is a staple of the human condition. Civil wars are generally about power. That often makes them violent and, for many, tragic; but it does not necessarily make them wars in which one side is persecuting the other side.

CWforFreedom on November 25, 2015 at 7:43 PM

And……

“There is another place in law where there is a religious test, too. And in fact, this whole “religious test” requirement is what one major Democrat Senator thought of as his own personal legacy. Democrat Senator from New Jersey Frank Lautenberg was a chief proponent of making sure religion is a criterion for refugees and it has been ensconced in U.S. law for over 25 years.
The 1989 “Lautenberg Amendment” was chiefly concerned with allowing Jews oppressed by the Soviet Union or former Soviet Union satellite countries to come to the U.S. without as many restrictions as other immigrants. Later the amendment was expanded to cover refugees of other oppressed religions and from Indochinese regions, too. Then, with the “Specter Amendment” it was again expanded to include refugees from Iran.
But this amendment was specifically concerned with religion, so a “religious test” was certainly its central point.”

Civil….you are also clearly immature.

CWforFreedom on November 25, 2015 at 7:45 PM

This is ridiculous. Trump supporters/the Republican base hate journalists, hate immigrants, resent blacks and the current wave of black activism, think protesters should be beaten up , think Mexicans are a bunch of criminals who are only here for the welfare and detest Muslims. And they neither know nor care who Reinhold Niebuhr was — some foreign leftist probably. In other words, for about half the voters in the Republica Primaries, this is a pro-Trump ad.

urban elitist on November 25, 2015 at 12:23 PM

Apparently it is you who have no idea who Reinhold Niebuhr was, as this anti-Trump add is a paraphrase of Martin Niemoller, not Reinhold Niebuhr.

Cecil Corn on November 25, 2015 at 7:46 PM

In other words, is there any credible counter that you make against ANY of the claims I make (ALL of them easily proven true), or do you just hide behind hurling your own epithet, which, I suppose, is supposed to stand in for your own point? Here’s a hint: each of those words would be found in the definition of Fascism, but I’m guessing you missed that point entirely?

CivilDiscourse on November 25, 2015 at 7:50 PM

Trump is coming for the Muslims? Well, maybe. Unclear at this point.

There’s one thing sure, though: Muslims ARE coming for Americans.

Lolo on November 25, 2015 at 7:51 PM

religion [among other things] …[.]

CWforFreedom on November 25, 2015 at 7:43 PM

This is the weakest of weak arguments. That religious persecution is among the criteria for asylum-seekers has NOTHING to do with discriminating BETWEEN religions as pre-requisite for entry. How ridiculous.

CivilDiscourse on November 25, 2015 at 7:56 PM

To say that I loathe Trump is an understatement-but I also loathe whiny little progressive ‘republicans’ like John Kasich.
Kasich needs to admit that he really is a democrat, switch parties and be done with it.
Cruz ’16!

annoyinglittletwerp on November 25, 2015 at 8:17 PM

This is the weakest of weak arguments. That religious persecution is among the criteria for asylum-seekers has NOTHING to do with discriminating BETWEEN religions as pre-requisite for entry. How ridiculous.

CivilDiscourse on November 25, 2015 at 7:56 PM

Really? Then why is Obama giving preference for Muslims who are not being persecuted over Christians who are?

JannyMae on November 25, 2015 at 8:25 PM

JannyMae, I believe the premise of your question is flawed; regardless, it doesn’t speak to the claim: has Trump (and other GOP candidates) suggested policy that amounts to a religious litmus test for refugees? Yes or no?

CivilDiscourse on November 25, 2015 at 8:53 PM

JannyMae, I believe the premise of your question is flawed; regardless, it doesn’t speak to the claim: has Trump (and other GOP candidates) suggested policy that amounts to a religious litmus test for refugees? Yes or no?

CivilDiscourse on November 25, 2015 at 8:53 PM

How is my premise flawed when it addresses exactly what Obama IS doing?

No, Trump has not “suggested” that. He has recommended monitoring all refugees. If you believe otherwise, please produce evidence to that effect.

I’d also like to know how Obama is establishing that these MUSLIM refugees are victims of persecution.

JannyMae on November 25, 2015 at 10:47 PM

Quite a statement from someone most at HA view as a moron.
bw222 on November 25, 2015 at 12:24 PM
I hate to break it to you, but the HA crowd isn’t exactly a scientific convention. I would know, because I routinely publish and present at these types of conventions.
Most of the people here have little regard for rational, logically-sound arguments that debunk their long-held beliefs. That would be why I’m not particularly popular here. ;)
TBSchemer on November 25, 2015 at 12:43 PM

You present in favor of global warming, correct?

Sherman1864 on November 26, 2015 at 1:37 AM

Kasichs actions aren’t really newsworthy. We’re expecting his exit pretty soon. Incidentally, his own demeanor tends to be dictatorial, so such criticism is not too significant, overall.

virgo on November 26, 2015 at 2:27 AM

I think you’re wrong there. His rhetoric has gone so far across the line that the accusation of “fascist” is being used for a presidential candidate in earnest (as opposed to the usual silly hyperbole)—when was the last time that happened?

CivilDiscourse on November 25, 2015 at 3:36 PM

It is offensive that anyone would consider Trump a facist, while skipping over what Obama has ACTUALLY done. The entire Democrat Party is a fascist, totalitarian, regime!

Trump really hasn’t said anything even close to what Democrats actually did to America when they passed the ACA in the dead of night on Christmas Eve to hide it from the people they intended to enslave. It was passed against public opinion and without any vetting whatsoever. And it affects every single American adversely for no discernible reason other than pure control.

It is just offensive to make any comparison between the legitimate concerns about immigration policy and the out right law breaking in the immigration system at this point. Choosing to make our Southern border a lawless no man’s land by fiat, it FASCISM!

It is also offensive to believe that Trumps completely understandable concerns over home grown terrorism, since that is now the pattern world wide, are somehow even close to what Hitler did in Germany.

It is silly hyperbole to call any Republican a facist, since they are utterly powerless in the face of the genuine totalitarianism that rules our country right now.

It is the truth to call Democrats and especially Obama a fascist!

petunia on November 26, 2015 at 8:34 AM

special interest will do any thing to get TRUMP out of the race.

IT WON’T WORK

telephone2 on November 26, 2015 at 8:39 AM

The Religion of Peace really hates being exposed as the weak horse. Their 20 year Saudi financed invasion is out in the open now under the Tyrant Obama’s mandatory refugee invasion as mandated by UN Law.

How stupid do they think we are to represent a Presbyterian believer named Trump as a satanic pagan monster named Hitler. Trump is only guilty of telling the truth about the Saudi oil wealth financed Muslim conquest of Europe and now America.

Kasich is pond scum. As Trump has also told the truth about.

jimw on November 26, 2015 at 10:38 AM

If that’s the best the GOPe can do, it’s no wonder their candidates can only pull a single digit in the polls! Trump is saying what 90% of the country is thinking and it’s about time the GOPe woke up and smelled the coffee.

flytier on November 26, 2015 at 11:36 AM

There’s two kinds of stupid and crazy here. Donald Trumps well documented yet bafflingly succesful stupid and John Kasich’s “I’m going to run to the left of Jon Hunstman since that worked out so well last time”.

The GOP needs to lose both these idiots.

Alberta_Patriot on November 26, 2015 at 12:00 PM

Why would they come here when we’re actively eliminating the welfare state? No, when we’re cutting off the welfare stream, the ones who want welfare will go to Europe, and the ones who want free markets will come here.

TBSchemer on November 25, 2015 at 3:17 PM

The minute we eliminate the welfare state, then we will talk. I only see it increasing. This is why I CANNOT be a full on libertarian. You all are living in your own utopia land. “Let’s grow the government until we figure how to get rid of it.” The problem is every time government grows it gets harder and harder to take away programs, because “the children.”

I am not a huge fan of Trump, but this ad is idiotic to the extreme, and is simple hyperbole; the same thing that Trump does. So apparently Kasich thought the winning formula was to out-Trump, Trump.

melle1228 on November 26, 2015 at 12:07 PM

I think you’re wrong there. His rhetoric has gone so far across the line that the accusation of “fascist” is being used for a presidential candidate in earnest (as opposed to the usual silly hyperbole)—when was the last time that happened?

CivilDiscourse on November 25, 2015 at 3:36 PM

Our current President can call the opposing political party the enemy, but can’t say the thing about people actually beheading and killing people.

Or how about curing global warming will cure terrorism. Or how about Kerry basically saying that Charlie Hebdo asked for it. Or how about blaming a video for a terrorist attack. Yeah I haven’t heard a presidential candidate use that kind of rhetoric in years. (rolling my eyes)

melle1228 on November 26, 2015 at 12:10 PM

Still voting for Trump…..

NYCMike on November 26, 2015 at 12:15 PM

Trump is saying what 90% of the country is thinking . . .

flytier on November 26, 2015 at 11:36 AM

No, and that’s why the GOP is for an awakening in the general. Trump is tapping into a hard right populist sentiment right now. Enough of a percentage to put him on top in primary polls, but decidedly NOT what the majority of the country is thinking, let alone 90%. Add the independents and Dems into the mix, and you’ll see how unpopular his antics/rhetoric really are in this country.

CivilDiscourse on November 26, 2015 at 1:34 PM

No, and that’s why the GOP is for an awakening in the general. Trump is tapping into a hard right populist sentiment right now. Enough of a percentage to put him on top in primary polls, but decidedly NOT what the majority of the country is thinking, let alone 90%. Add the independents and Dems into the mix, and you’ll see how unpopular his antics/rhetoric really are in this country.

CivilDiscourse on November 26, 2015 at 1:34 PM

You live in a bubble. Almost to a person every democrat, liberal or independent I talk to is outraged at Obama for completely ignoring our immigration laws, rising health insurance costs and now the obvious lack of will in fighting Islamic terrorism, not to mention trying to let hundreds of thousands of muslims into the US.

It’s the left that’s in for an awakening. All the left has is the same old crap … pandering to illegals, Islamists, lying about everything they’ve done, calling people who disagree racist and sexist and chastising Americans for wanting not only for America to be great, but for wanting to be proud of America. By the way, agitating moronic college students to protest for communism isn’t exactly helping either.

You people are all in a bubble and have ZERO comprehension of what’s happening outside your bubble.

darwin on November 26, 2015 at 2:16 PM

Trump is tapping into a hard right populist sentiment right now. Enough of a percentage to put him on top in primary polls, but decidedly NOT what the majority of the country is thinking, let alone 90%. Add the independents and Dems into the mix, and you’ll see how unpopular his antics/rhetoric really are in this country.

CivilDiscourse on November 26, 2015 at 1:34 PM

Lemme see…there are probably 5 or 6 “hard right” populists in America…so yeah that adds up to 25% in the polls.

kcewa on November 26, 2015 at 3:05 PM

Kasich web ad hits Trump: First he came for the Muslims

First, he came for the Muslims
Second, no one got beheaded
Third, everyone was happy
Fourth, Trump was reelected
Fifth, Thank God Trump went after the Muslims

SpongePuppy on November 26, 2015 at 3:20 PM

This might as well be a democrat attack ad against any republican.

Dollayo on November 26, 2015 at 5:03 PM

Darwin: Outrage at Obama =/= lockstep agreement with someone as risible as Trump. Understand that.

CivilDiscourse on November 26, 2015 at 5:38 PM

Darwin: Outrage at Obama =/= lockstep agreement with someone as risible as Trump. Understand that.

CivilDiscourse on November 26, 2015 at 5:38 PM

It’s not me that’s needs to understand.

You still don’t get it.

Progressive bubble =/= Understanding

darwin on November 26, 2015 at 6:01 PM

So anyone who isn’t a progressive is pro-Trump. Got it. Sounds like you have all the understanding you need.

CivilDiscourse on November 26, 2015 at 6:22 PM

First the Muslims came for NYC…..

And liberals excused it…

Then the Muslims came for the gays….

And the liberals ignored it….

The whole mantra can go on, but hey…it is Thanksgiving and I’ve got pie to eat.

ProfShadow on November 26, 2015 at 6:30 PM

I’m no Trumpeteer by any means…but that ad is epic weak.

JetBoy on November 26, 2015 at 9:41 PM

From this point on he shall be known as:
Kamikaze Kasich

paulsur on November 27, 2015 at 2:11 AM

We will come for the Muslims.We will come for the illegals.And we will come for all you gonadless RINOs too!

redware on November 27, 2015 at 7:12 AM

Dude, it’s about time someone came for the Muslims.

chuckh on November 27, 2015 at 5:53 PM