DC Police Chief who approves almost no concealed carry permits wants armed citizens to take action

posted at 4:41 pm on November 24, 2015 by Jazz Shaw

Washington D.C. Police Chief Cathy Lanier was on 60 Minutes this week talking about mass shootings, law enforcement response times and the duties or abilities of citizens in such scenarios. One of her comments caught a lot of attention from those familiar with her official office policies.

“Your options are run, hide, or fight,” says Lanier. “If you’re in a position to try and take the gunman down, to take the gunman out, it’s the best option for saving lives before police can get there,” she tells Cooper.

In recent years, mentally ill gunmen and now terrorists have killed victims indiscriminately, their aim to kill as many as possible, rather than taking hostages. These events call for more active approaches, she says. “That’s kind of counterintuitive to what cops always tell people, right? We always tell people, ‘Don’t…don’t take action. Call 911. Don’t intervene in the robbery’…we’ve never told people, ‘Take action.’ It’s a different…scenario.”

To get the full inflection and feeling we should really go to the video.

This is one of those rare occasions when we might actually agree with Chief Lanier. The cops can only move just so fast and a determined killer can do a lot of damage in a short period of time. If you have the equipment, the training and the inclination, it’s just possible that a skilled concealed carry holder could cut the mayhem short or, if nothing else, pin down the shooter and buy the police a little more time to get on the scene and take control. What’s not to like about that?

Well, as Fox News reports, if the mass shooting in question is taking place in Washington, D.C. you’d better hope that one of less than fifty people in the entire city happen to be in the same building with you, because that’s how many concealed carry permits she has approved since the Supreme Court ordered her to start processing them.

Despite her call on Sunday night for civilians to “take the gunman down” in a mass shooting scenario, Washington DC’s chief of police has approved just 48 concealed carry licenses in the past year and nearly 80 percent of all applicants have been rejected.

Of 233 applications sent for review since the Metropolitan Police Department began accepting permits on Oct. 23, 2014, 185 licenses had been denied as of Nov. 14, a department spokesperson told FoxNews.com on Monday…

Lanier did not respond to requests for comment, but a department spokesperson told FoxNews.com she has the final approval on all applications received. By her own account, a prospective victim’s best chance in a mass shooting might be to have a gun.

In all fairness, I have no idea how the Chief feels in her heart of hearts about this issue. Cops tend to be a bit more supportive of legal gun ownership by law abiding citizens, though that’s not an iron clad rule. She works in a city where advancement in your career depends heavily on keeping on the right side of some politicians who are pretty much unified in their desire to thwart the Second Amendment wherever they can. (There are still challenges to gun rights grinding through the courts this year.) If Lanier’s comments are reflective of her true feelings that could signal the beginning of something better for prospective gun owners in the Capital.

Then again it might be the beginning of the end of her career.


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“….and then, when he turned around, I yelled out 3 hashtags names, real quick. Boom….down he went.’

BobMbx on November 24, 2015 at 4:45 PM

STOP! or I’ll say STOP again!

NoFanofLibs on November 24, 2015 at 4:47 PM

She must be about to retire.

Doc Holliday on November 24, 2015 at 4:48 PM

But the real question is, would Lorien hit that?

Ward Cleaver on November 24, 2015 at 4:49 PM

Take the kids out to the range and:

White House: Americans Should Talk About Gun Control This Thanksgiving

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/23/white-house-americans-talk-gun-control-thanksgiving/

davidk on November 24, 2015 at 4:49 PM

Take the kids out to the range and:

White House: Americans Should Talk About Gun Control This Thanksgiving

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/23/white-house-americans-talk-gun-control-thanksgiving/

davidk on November 24, 2015 at 4:49 PM

Please don’t tell me they dressed that special snowflake in a hunter’s vest and gave him a skeet gun instead of hot chocolate.

HornetSting on November 24, 2015 at 4:52 PM

She works in a city where advancement in your career depends heavily on keeping on the right side of some politicians

I wonder who likes it that way.

antipc on November 24, 2015 at 4:54 PM

Wait…[munch] I got to [munch] … make [munch] … my gun.[munch]

LoganSix on November 24, 2015 at 4:55 PM

“….and then, when he turned around, I yelled out 3 hashtags names, real quick. Boom….down he went.’

BobMbx on November 24, 2015 at 4:45 PM

Geez. I thought you were just supposed to throw up on them……………

VegasRick on November 24, 2015 at 4:56 PM

Don’t ever forget that no matter what they say, the Democratic National Socialist Party has come out strongly for gun CONFISCATION.

While I’d like to thank them for making this stupendous mistake, I would also like to warn them to refrain from denying it later on.

After all, we have Al Gore creation to refer back to.

Torcert on November 24, 2015 at 4:58 PM

“….and then, when he turned around, I yelled out 3 hashtags names, real quick. Boom….down he went.’

BobMbx on November 24, 2015 at 4:45 PM

Geez. I thought you were just supposed to throw up on them……………

VegasRick on November 24, 2015 at 4:56 PM

Pee. You’re supposed to pee on them.

HornetSting on November 24, 2015 at 4:59 PM

We can’t have common sense in this country, it was founded in part by a pamphlet titled Common Sense!

rbj on November 24, 2015 at 5:01 PM

“Your options are run, hide, or fight,” says Lanier. “If you’re in a position to try and take the gunman down, to take the gunman out, it’s the best option for saving lives before police can get there,” she tells Cooper.

But, couldn’t you swing a chair and your pajamaboy muscles fail you and you end up hitting an innocent bystander?

Axeman on November 24, 2015 at 5:05 PM

We can’t have common sense in this country, it was founded in part by a pamphlet titled Common Sense!

rbj on November 24, 2015 at 5:01 PM

Discretion is un-Constitutional.

Axeman on November 24, 2015 at 5:05 PM

Like most Chiefs, Lanier got her job because she’s a politician, not because she was a good street cop.

GarandFan on November 24, 2015 at 5:05 PM

She’s just another worthless political flat foot.

Mr. Arrogant on November 24, 2015 at 5:07 PM

In all fairness, I have no idea how the Chief feels in her heart of hearts about this issue. Cops tend to be a bit more supportive of legal gun ownership by law abiding citizens

What’s that got to do with Washington DC??

That might explain why they don’t issue a whole lot of permits in DC.

Axeman on November 24, 2015 at 5:07 PM

Women police chiefs are never a good idea.

Cleombrotus on November 24, 2015 at 5:10 PM

“If you’re in a position to try and take the gunman down, to take the gunman out, it’s the best option for saving lives before police can get there,” she tells Cooper.

Squeamish liberals are afraid an errant round might hit someone else. They’d rather more people die than someone have a gun and try to save their own life and the lives of others.

darwin on November 24, 2015 at 5:25 PM

Thanksgiving Day is as good a time as any to talk about gun control.

“Front sight, press.”

bobthm3 on November 24, 2015 at 5:28 PM

White House: Americans Should Talk About Gun Control This Thanksgiving

davidk on November 24, 2015 at 4:49 PM

I sure will. My younger daughter just turned 14, so it’s due time to choose the handgun she wants to practice with.

Rix on November 24, 2015 at 5:32 PM

Squeamish liberals are afraid an errant round might hit someone else. They’d rather more people die than someone have a gun and try to save their own life and the lives of others.

darwin on November 24, 2015 at 5:25 PM

Liberals don’t give two flying fvcks about errant rounds or dead citizens. What matters to them is fewer threats to governmental agents when some spoiled brat in DC decides to try on a crown.

Rix on November 24, 2015 at 5:34 PM

If the cops can’t get there in time, Jill Biden will blow up the perps with her double-barreled shotgun. Joltin’ Joe told ya so!

Steve Z on November 24, 2015 at 5:39 PM

I’m having a terrible time finding a good holster to use with my 12 gauge and CC permit. Any suggestions?

Limerick on November 24, 2015 at 5:43 PM

White House: Americans Should Talk About Gun Control This Thanksgiving

davidk on November 24, 2015 at 4:49 PM

Already done…http://appleseedinfo.org/

Limerick on November 24, 2015 at 5:45 PM

Squeamish liberals are afraid an errant round might hit someone else. They’d rather more people die than someone have a gun and try to save their own life and the lives of others.

darwin on November 24, 2015 at 5:25 PM

Liberals don’t give two flying fvcks about errant rounds or dead citizens. What matters to them is fewer threats to governmental agents when some spoiled brat in DC decides to try on a crown.

Rix on November 24, 2015 at 5:34 PM

I would add that liberals cannot tolerate the thought that they might be wrong about something.

ghostwalker1 on November 24, 2015 at 5:51 PM

Anyone volunteering to sprint across 50 yards of open ground to tackle a dude spraying around with an AK?

This woman is yet another azzhole, armed to the teeth herself but YOU’RE supposed to learn how to barf on demand and hope some jihadi freak won’t blow your head off.

Bishop on November 24, 2015 at 5:52 PM

White House: Americans Should Talk About Gun Control This Thanksgiving

davidk on November 24, 2015 at 4:49 PM

They pulled this crap last year, “On Turkey Day you should talk to your dumbass conservative family members about the wonders of DeathCare, and if they seem reluctant, kill them.”

Bishop on November 24, 2015 at 5:54 PM

To my knowledge there have been no Conceal Carrry permits issued in DC.

James1754 on November 24, 2015 at 5:56 PM

If you’re in a position to try and take the gunman down, to take the gunman out, it’s the best option for saving lives before police can get there

Going to be fun linking to this every time a gun grabber says armed citizens do more harm than good in those situations.

clearbluesky on November 24, 2015 at 6:07 PM

“Your options are run, hide, or fight … If you’re in a position to try and take the gunman down, to take the gunman out, it’s the best option for saving lives before police can get there.”
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Washington D.C. Police Chief Cathy Lanier on 60 Minutes

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Ooooooooooh . . . . . . . . . . that sure sounds awful similar to what Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke says.

listens2glenn on November 24, 2015 at 6:12 PM

“Save all the lives you want. Heck save your own life even, I don’t care. Just don’t expect to be doing it with any guns.”

Oxymoron on November 24, 2015 at 6:12 PM

Wow. I guess it’s a plan. The first line of defense is defense-tool-prohibited dead citizens.

ironked on November 24, 2015 at 6:13 PM

Out of the almost 300 permit requests only 78 have been granted. It’s a may issue if justified system. Personal danger is usually not an accepted reason unless there has been an actual death attempt (or you are rich and connected enough). On top of that, the over $500 (non-refundable if refused) it costs, paperwork, single place to apply, training that must be pursued outside DC, no gun retailers and single approved FFL (who charges 4x the going rate in VA), make the process almost impossible for the average DC citizen to tolerate.

ironked on November 24, 2015 at 6:23 PM

Ooooooooooh . . . . . . . . . . that sure sounds awful similar to what Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke says.

Except that Chief Lanier is a political appointee and is answerable to the hyper-liberal anti-gun city council and mayor. There is no way in hell she is ever going to advocate armed citizens and effective means of self defense.

ironked on November 24, 2015 at 6:27 PM

I seem to recall a certain Republican political candidate advocating the same thing (attacking the gunman) and was scoffed at roundly.

Who could that have been. Ben …. something….

kurtzz3 on November 24, 2015 at 6:42 PM

She walks it back or it’s the end.

vnvet on November 24, 2015 at 7:22 PM

Like most bureaucrats, covering your backside is tops. A crime committed with a legal gun reflects back on her, the person who approved the permit. A crime committed with an illegal gun is fodder for offloading the problem to the “need for gun control”. Couple that with an inner city in societal breakdown, and the dynamics are compelling for police chiefs in major urban areas to tilt left on this issue

Even if doing so is wrong.

paul1149 on November 24, 2015 at 7:40 PM

I want to know where people in DC buy guns. Are there any gun stores actually in DC? DC residents cannot buy a gun in a Virginia gun store, and I doubt that they can in Maryland either. Where are they getting them?

Oldnuke on November 24, 2015 at 8:13 PM

Can someone help me here. This story sounds like every police chief and sheriff in California. How do they get away with this in Texas?

InterestedObserver on November 24, 2015 at 11:19 PM

ok, whenever a muslim commits a terrorist attack, the liberal media screams, muslims are peaceful we cant blame all muslims

but whenever a certified nut job shoots up a GUN FREE ZONE the liberal media blame all 5 million members of the NRA,

why is that

can any liberal name any mass shooting by a member of the NRA or TEA party?

two things to keep safe
conceal carry
and
stay out of large urban areas, they are full of thugs, terrorists, nut jobs and hostile gun laws.

sniffles1999 on November 25, 2015 at 7:51 AM

May her words be used against her in the next court case.

Kissmygrits on November 25, 2015 at 8:33 AM

Like most liberals, they MAY know what’s right, but they just CAN’T make themselves do it.

nonstopca1 on November 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM

Sounds much like the self-proclaimed “alphas” in the book thread hollering at us to ‘man up’ when doing so puts a bullseye on your back. You can’t hamstring people from doing something and then expect them to do it!

LawfulGood on November 25, 2015 at 12:47 PM

Knowing as many liberals as I do and the fact that regardless of the courts the constitution, common sense and facts considering the number of times guns have saved people or stopped a horrible crimes. The left is against you having the ability to protect yourself or your family. Obama will, I repeat will be taking your gun next year as he has said and will do what ever it takes including breaking the law or using his new found toy to override and change the laws ignoring the proper separation of powers in the Constitution and with the blessings of Saul Alinkys will do it. Thus turning the whole country into Chicago.

pwb on November 26, 2015 at 10:45 AM