Washington wasn’t nearly so confident in this refugee vetting process a few months ago

posted at 12:01 pm on November 18, 2015 by Jazz Shaw

As is my usual wont, I was watching Morning Joe today and quickly grew tired of the new White House talking point about how secure our vetting process for refugees is. They had Keith Ellison (D – MN 5) on during the final half hour to talk about how we all need to embrace the Muslim world and not play into the hands of the terrorists and defeat them with love and acceptance or something. None of that is terribly surprising coming from the congressman, but he got the panel headed off on a fresh jag talking about our refugee vetting. Most of the panelists were polite enough to acknowledge that state governors opposed to allowing Syrian immigrants into their states had valid concerns and deserved to be fully informed about the vetting that was going on. But that was followed up with a conversation which at least strongly implied that the vetting was pretty much fine and dandy and the real problem was that the governors were simply ignorant of how wonderful it is.

This has been repeated by many White House surrogates in recent days, most of them quoting a statement from Josh Earnest in September which sought to calm the waters. But the cheerful face being painted on this question by the administration is at odds with what many of their own experts have been saying for months. As the Washington Post reported yesterday, the people responsible for seeing that the vetting is done properly have more than a few questions about it themselves.

Several high-level administration officials have warned in recent months just how challenging this can be. While they say U.S. security measures are much better than in the past, vetting Syrian refugees poses a quandary: How do you screen people from a war-torn country that has few criminal and terrorist databases to check? …

“I don’t, obviously, put it past the likes of ISIL to infiltrate operatives among these refugees, so that’s a huge concern of ours,” Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said at a security industry conference in September, using another name for the Islamic State. He added that the government has “a pretty aggressive program” for screening refugees but that he is less confident about European nations.

While I appreciate Clapper’s enthusiasm, calling our program “pretty aggressive” isn’t all that comforting. Neither is saying that ours is better than Europe’s because that’s setting the bar pretty low. Clapper wasn’t alone in his concerns, however.

FBI Director James Comey added in congressional testimony last month that “a number of people who were of serious concern” slipped through the screening of Iraq War refugees, including two arrested on terrorism-related charges. “There’s no doubt that was the product of a less than excellent vetting,” he said.

Although Comey said the process has since “improved dramatically,” Syrian refugees will be even harder to check because, unlike in Iraq, U.S. soldiers have not been on the ground collecting information on the local population. “If we don’t know much about somebody, there won’t be anything in our data,” he said. “I can’t sit here and offer anybody an absolute assurance that there’s no risk associated with this.”

When we accept refugees from countries where there are at least nominal public records and law enforcement there are no guarantees, but there’s a chance of finding things out. This is particularly true if the refugee in question has spent any time in a stronger, European ally nation and potentially run into trouble with their own law enforcement. Fingerprints, photographs, family histories… any of these might turn up some information. But just as we found when we first entered Iraq, some areas have very little profiling information of that sort. And when a nation falls into chaos, all sorts of records can be lost or intentionally destroyed.

So what’s left for us to work with in Syria? And who is the trusted partner we’re supposed to work with in ferreting out all of that information? Lacking anything other than a dodgy set of identification papers there is very little to go on beyond the word of the subject and how trustworthy they seem during an interview. How much faith to you want to place in that when the cost of being wrong is so high? As with everything else in the terrorism game, we need 100% accuracy to remain safe and the terrorists only have to be right once. I have no doubt that there are many, many families who didn’t want anything to do with the war going on in Syria and who fled for their lives. They clearly need help. But it’s never been solely the responsibility of the United States to save everyone and you’ve got to draw the line somewhere. Pushing for hundreds of thousands of these people to flood into the United States next year in the name of being politically correct isn’t just foolish… it’s potentially suicidal.


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Ca’t we just ask them if they are terrorists?

Walter L. Newton on November 18, 2015 at 12:05 PM

Funny….

They tell us they can properly vet all these “refugees” and never talk about how much it will cost.

But, suggest to them that we deport illegal aliens who have committed FELONIES, and all the sudden “It can’t be done! It’ll cost a fortune! We don’t have the resources!”

CurtZHP on November 18, 2015 at 12:06 PM

Rush is opening with it’s insane and unfathomable. That’s about right.

Fenris on November 18, 2015 at 12:07 PM

They had Keith Ellison (D – MN 5) on during the final half hour to talk about how we all need to embrace the Muslim world and not play into the hands of the terrorists and defeat them with love and acceptance or something.

To defeat terrorism, all the west needs to do is remove muslims from the west, and pull all western assets from the Middle East.

ISIS and other fanatical groups will then be effectively neutered as they will have zero assets in the west to pull off their plans.

As long as you have muslims in the west there will be terror because Islam demands nothing less than the complete eradication of all thing not Islamic.

darwin on November 18, 2015 at 12:08 PM

Vetting who for what? Why are you people so afraid?

rogerb on November 18, 2015 at 12:08 PM

But the toddlers!!!!

darwin on November 18, 2015 at 12:11 PM

Here’s the current questionnaire used in vetting refugees…

d1carter on November 18, 2015 at 12:10 PM

Oh my! That’s foolproof. I can rest easy now.

darwin on November 18, 2015 at 12:12 PM

So the government acknowledged where the process has fallen short and is hard at work developing solutions? What more do you want?

libfreeordie on November 18, 2015 at 12:13 PM

What more do you want?

libfreeordie on November 18, 2015 at 12:13 PM

…you too grow a functioning brain cell…too much to ask I know…

Pelosi Schmelosi on November 18, 2015 at 12:16 PM

Hey, remember how the Obama administration was just as welcoming of all those Yazidi refugees when they were fleeing the hell on earth created by ISIS? No? Yeah, well, neither do I.

flipflop on November 18, 2015 at 12:17 PM

How is this for a wake-up call?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3322649/The-enemy-Nearly-SEVENTY-arrested-America-ISIS-plots-include-refugees-given-safe-haven-turned-terror.html

Lots of photos of the perpetrators

onlineanalyst on November 18, 2015 at 12:18 PM

So the government acknowledged where the process has fallen short and is hard at work developing solutions? What more do you want?

libfreeordie on November 18, 2015 at 12:13 PM

How about a real demonstration of competency, transparency, lack of corruption and politicization before doing anything as important as this.

gwelf on November 18, 2015 at 12:19 PM

So the government acknowledged where the process has fallen short and is hard at work developing solutions? What more do you want?

libfreeordie on November 18, 2015 at 12:13 PM

Seriously?

What’s the only way to ensure that Islamic terrorism stops in western countries?

darwin on November 18, 2015 at 12:19 PM

How about a real demonstration of competency, transparency, lack of corruption and politicization before doing anything as important as this.

gwelf on November 18, 2015 at 12:19 PM

I guess libfree has no idea that no one believes a single word from this corrupt, Islam supporting government.

darwin on November 18, 2015 at 12:20 PM

What more do you want?

libfreeordie on November 18, 2015 at 12:13 PM

They could stop lying to us for openers.

Unless you believe the FBI when they claim they just can’t find a motive for why Mohammad Abdulazeez killed our Marines in Chatanooga.

And…you probably do believe them.

WhirledPeas on November 18, 2015 at 12:20 PM

Washington wasn’t nearly so confident in this refugee vetting process a few months ago

That’s because they weren’t certain any Islamic Jihadist would manage to sneak in, now they are certain that they will get their Islamic Jihadists.

oscarwilde on November 18, 2015 at 12:20 PM

Washington wasn’t nearly so confident in this refugee vetting process a few months ago

 
So the government acknowledged where the process has fallen short and is hard at work developing solutions? What more do you want?
 
libfreeordie on November 18, 2015 at 12:13 PM

 
Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome, performing live for the first time in this thread, the Overton Window.

rogerb on November 18, 2015 at 12:21 PM

To Human Rights, Islam and Muslims are the Plague.

VorDaj on November 18, 2015 at 12:22 PM

So the government acknowledged where the process has fallen short and is hard at work developing solutions? What more do you want?

libfreeordie on November 18, 2015 at 12:13 PM

Fallen short and working hard to develop solutions?

Wow, the bureaucracy said it’s going to develop solutions! I know I’m relieved.

This isn’t like other promises from the bureaucracy to fix problems at the VA, corruption at the IRS, etc. because this time the bureaucracy really really means it.

gwelf on November 18, 2015 at 12:22 PM

So the government acknowledged where the process has fallen short and is hard at work developing solutions? What more do you want?

libfreeordie on November 18, 2015 at 12:13 PM

More than their word, given they’ve lied in the past.

You can trust liars, go right ahead. Reagan said “trust but verify”.

Until they open up their vetting process they’re still liars.

itsspideyman on November 18, 2015 at 12:23 PM

Director of the FBI says it can’t be done…

d1carter on November 18, 2015 at 12:23 PM

So the government acknowledged where the process has fallen short and is hard at work developing solutions? What more do you want?

libfreeordie on November 18, 2015 at 12:13 PM

That fills me with such confidence. It also reminds me of the Obamanation Administration efforts to fix Obamacare. So… Tell me again, when exactly are my premiums going down?

oscarwilde on November 18, 2015 at 12:24 PM

It’s now 30 states, but this article is way good.

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2015 at 12:25 PM

So Obama lied and people died. What more do you want?

libfreeordie on November 18, 2015 at 12:13 PM

WhirledPeas on November 18, 2015 at 12:26 PM

What more do you want?

libfreeordie on November 18, 2015 at 12:13 PM

Won’t type it here.

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2015 at 12:27 PM

What more do you want?

libfreeordie on November 18, 2015 at 12:13 PM

For you to deport yourself.. and go live in the ME with your brothers.

dougmva on November 18, 2015 at 12:27 PM

CNN said 34 governors are refusing ‘refugees’.

Chris Cuomo called them xenophobes — even as he was reporting on the raid in France last night.

WhirledPeas on November 18, 2015 at 12:28 PM

DHS Confesses: No Databases Exist To Vet Syrian Refugees

10/06/2015 06:47 PM ET

Under grilling from GOP Sen. Jeff Sessions, head of the Senate subcommittee on immigration, the Homeland Security official in charge of vetting Syrian and other foreign Muslim refugees confessed that no police or intelligence databases exist to check the backgrounds of incoming refugees against criminal and terrorist records.

“Does Syria have any?” Sessions asked. “The government does not, no sir,” answered Matthew Emrich, associate director for fraud detection and national security at DHS’ U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.

Sessions further inquired: “You don’t have their criminal records, you don’t have the computer database that you can check?” Confessed Emrich: “In many countries the U.S. accepts refugees from, the country did not have extensive data holdings.”

thatsafactjack on November 18, 2015 at 12:29 PM

As is my usual wont, I was watching Morning Joe today and quickly grew tired of the new White House talking point about how secure our vetting process for refugees is.

Well you ought to have a new one tomorrow. Just saw Josh Ernest claiming that the US was still in charge. Seems that France might have been doing the bombing but they couldn’t have done so without US intelligence and logistics. He actually suggested that they were acting as part of a US-led coalition.

Leading from the behind but claiming to be at the pointy edge of the spear.

Happy Nomad on November 18, 2015 at 12:29 PM

If conservatives only concern is that they may be forced to house refugees in their home, then its all good. That’s not going to happen, so you shouldn’t care if the government sets them up with alternative housing. Who knew it was that easy!

libfreeordie on November 18, 2015 at 10:43 AM

It’s so easy? Really? Please explain, then, why the government hasn’t been able to provide ‘alternative housing’ for 49,933 homeless veterans?

Oh, given your SJW & #BLM bona fides, you’ll luv ya sum of dis:

Homeless veterans tend to be male (91 percent), single (98 percent), live in a city (76 percent), and have a mental and/or physical disability (54 percent). Black veterans are substantially overrepresented among homeless veterans, comprising 39 percent of the total homeless veteran population but only 11 percent of the total veteran population.

So, if it isn’t so easy for the government to find ‘alternative housing’ for 50,000 American men and women WHO FOUGHT FOR THEIR COUNTRY, how is it going to be a snap to find it for 65,000 (Clinton number…on one day…another day, there’s no limit), 85,000 (Ben Rhodes’ number); 100,000 per year (Kerry); and ??? (Obama’s number on any given day)?

Just so that you know, I am only using the homeless veterans’ numbers to demonstrate that it isn’t quite as simple to find ‘alternative housing’ as you would suggest. I already know that you couldn’t give a bloody shit about any American ‘baby killer’ and probably wish they would all be executed or, at minimum, tried for war crimes at The Hague…

100% Because the government is shutdown. The GOP is fracking hilarious. “Burn it down! Shut it down! LET IT COLLAPSE!!!…..Oh, old white guys want to go a memorial? WHAT HAVE WE DONE???”

Laughing stocks.

libfreeordie on October 2, 2013 at 9:03 AM

I remember that day. About an hour after you posted that, a video hit of an elderly, black man from Ohio. He was seated in his wheelchair wearing his uniform. Tears were rolling down his cheeks and he kept asking why President Obama had put up those barricades. He was old. He had served in WWII. He had travelled such a long way. This was going to be his last visit to his memorial to pay his respects to his friends and fellow servicemen, who had paid the ultimate price so that he and this country could remain free. You mocked men like him. You aren’t worthy of even wiping that man’s arse. You are contemptible.

Back to housing. You think it is easy. Really? Didn’t LA just declare a homeless state of emergency, which means it really must be dire because there is never any homelessness when a Democrat is POTUS? Do you understand that Europe is running out of accommodations? Do you know that BEFORE ANYONE HAD EVER HEARD OF THE TERM ‘SYRIAN REFUGEE’ the housing shortage had become so dire in the UK that the government and think tanks had determined that somewhere between 608 and 822 homes would have to be built EVERY DAY FOR 20 YEARS TO MEET CURRENT AND FUTURE DEMANDS – PREDICTIONS MADE IN 2013?

BTW, yesterday, you were cackling how all these polls were proving how ugly the Right really is. I wanted to say something to you, but I had other things to do. Anyhoo, here goes:

Well, luv, if you want to see true Ƿhuck Ƿhace ugly, look no further than the Twitter feed #ǷhuckǷaris (spelled with the ‘F’ not the ‘ǷH’) set up by your friends, #BLM.

Thanks to the hateful, racist, intolerant, uncivil, cruel, lacking in sympathy and empathy, moral equivalency-drawing absurdists Ƿricks at #BLM who took to Twitter to demand that their Special Snowflake Attention remain at DEF-C0N 1 and, if you care about the #ǷarisAttacks, you’re, basically, a white ƨuƿremacist, the world saw U-G-L-Y…as U-G-L-Y as it gets.

They started this HATEFUL AND INTOLERANT temper tantrum while the many-coloured bodies of people of different cultures, genders, races, religions, ideologies, interests, etc, were still laying in pools of blood.

They exposed THEIR HATE while the parents, spouses, siblings, children, families, friends, acquaintances, countrymen and world were learning of the cruel fates of their loved ones.

As the world was facing, yet again, a moment of absolute evil, they decided to prove to 7 billion souls that there really does exist the ‘Ugly American.’

Talk about ‘American selfishness, arrogance, and cultural imperialism!’

Thanks a lot, #BLM for proving to the world to be exactly just the kind of a$$h0les we thought that you were!

Bishbop on November 18, 2015 at 12:29 PM

It really does come down to:

OUR LEADERS ARE STUPID

de rigueur on November 18, 2015 at 12:31 PM

Every other President set up UN refugee centers in their home country.

Obama failed.

Return them to their homeland, and keep them in umm… safe zones.

faraway on November 18, 2015 at 12:35 PM

Bishbop on November 18, 2015 at 12:29 PM

You are a treasure Sophie.

Hope things are going well for you.

Why the name change?

gwelf on November 18, 2015 at 12:35 PM

hmmmmm.

Here’s video of Politician Ted! (from his own U-Tube channel)specifically advocating for the direct import of additional Syrian refugees. Additionally interesting, when confronted with the concern of terrorist embeds within the refugee population – Senator Ted Cruz was dismissive of the issue saying he was confident we have a way to insure that doesn’t happen:
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/11/16/video-senator-ted-cruz-demanding-u-s-take-syrian-refugees-and-not-worry-about-terrorist-embeds/

another instance of being for it before he was against it

Ted! was against obamatrade it after he voted for it.

just like he doesnt approve of mcconnell after he voted for him for majority leader

just like he was against the Corker bill to give Iran nukes and $150 billion even though he co-sponsored and voted for it.

just like he disapproves of john roberts for scotus even though he pushed for his approval.

just like he is not in favor of illegals taking american jobs though he wants to mass legalize 10’s of millions of illegal aliens (he just refuses to call that amnesty) and have HUGE increases in legal immigration.

So, lets recap, Cruz voted for tpa, co-sponsored and voted for the give iran nukes corker bill, and is for amnesty and huge increases in legal immigration, pushed john roberts for scotus, he says mitch mcconnell is awful, yet he voted for him to be senate majority leader etc…..

hes all establishment, donor owned and operated he just talks like hes not and for whatever reason he fools people.

Cruz’s owners in the PAC’s and lobby groups wont let him have any real policy to protect americans from foreign invaders, if he tried the same thing that happened with walker and his “donors” would happen to cruz.

just something to think about when choosing a Presidential nominee, Trump will not be importing these people and has already said those who have already came in will be removed as will illegal aliens.

and he is the ONLY one who will do it.

Trump 2016
America for AMERICANS

Garyinaz66 on November 18, 2015 at 12:36 PM

Vetting who for what? Why are you people so afraid?

rogerb on November 18, 2015 at 12:08 PM

.
Troy.

ExpressoBold on November 18, 2015 at 12:36 PM

It really does come down to:

OUR LEADERS ARE STUPID EVIL

de rigueur on November 18, 2015 at 12:31 PM

Sorry, had to fix that for you, you misspelled evil…

oscarwilde on November 18, 2015 at 12:37 PM

So the government acknowledged where the process has fallen short and is hard at work developing solutions? What more do you want?

libfreeordie on November 18, 2015 at 12:13 PM

Stop admitting Syrians would be a good start.

Ending immigration with all islamic countries would be the best.

nobar on November 18, 2015 at 12:38 PM

Sorry, had to fix that for you, you misspelled evil…

oscarwilde on November 18, 2015 at 12:37 PM

Our leaders are playing a different game than public statements indicate: they’re playing for the other team.

Who is John Galt on November 18, 2015 at 12:38 PM

[Obama’s] government acknowledged where the process has fallen short. What more do you want?

libfreeordie on November 18, 2015 at 12:13 PM

President Trump will help you.

faraway on November 18, 2015 at 12:39 PM

Pushing for hundreds of thousands of these people to flood into the United States next year in the name of being politically correct isn’t just foolish… it’s potentially suicidal.

For those who fully believe in the bankrupt concept of ‘we had to destroy it order to save it’ (ie Cloward Piven and the like), that’s a feature not a bug.

Athos on November 18, 2015 at 12:39 PM

It really does come down to:

OUR LEADERS ARE STUPID

de rigueur on November 18, 2015 at 12:31 PM

…nope…they know exactly what they’re doing…they’re just retarded…

Pelosi Schmelosi on November 18, 2015 at 12:40 PM

libfreeordie on November 18, 2015 at 12:13 PM

yeah hard at work between 9/11 and Boston and last week. Soooooo hard at work. Watching porn maybe.

So you’re stupid AND crazy. Or does someone pay you to post?

dogsoldier on November 18, 2015 at 12:40 PM

So the government acknowledged where the process has fallen short and is hard at work developing solutions? What more do you want?

libfreeordie on November 18, 2015 at 12:13 PM

Alright, so Obama wants to admit 100,000 Syrian “refugees” by 2017. If only 1/10th of 1 percent of them are terrorists who make it through this flawed process, that’s 100 terrorists getting in.

The 8 Paris attackers killed or wounded about 500 people, so about 62 or so each. At that rate 100 terrorists allowed in under Obama’s flawed process will kill or wound 6,200 Americans.

What more do you want?

Trafalgar on November 18, 2015 at 12:41 PM

Pelosi Schmelosi on November 18, 2015 at 12:40 PM

It’s worse. They have been bribed and are just acting stupid and crazy, since those are legal.

dogsoldier on November 18, 2015 at 12:41 PM

The Obama administration vetted the Boston Bombers. Makes you feel all warm and cozy doesn’t it?

HotAirian on November 18, 2015 at 12:49 PM

You all know that libfreeordie is clinically insane, right? The Pervfessor is a Marxist Atheist Homosexual Pederast. The Jihadists would slowly castrate him, stuff his genitals into his mouth then slowly cut his head off with a dull knife.

Because Jihadist believe that is the only correct way to deal with Marxist Atheist Homosexual Pederasts. The Pervfessor wants to bring thousands of Jihadist to America because he believes that the violence they would cause would give him and his Marxist buddies the needed crises from which they could launch their very own American Bolshevik Revolution.

Except that the clinically insane Pervfessor just isn’t smart enough to understand that he and his ilk would be the very first targets of the Jihadists. Contrary to the Pervfessors delusional beliefs, the Jihadists utterly and abjectly reject any notion of coexistence.

Its almost a crime that we cannot tattoo the Arabic word for Homosexual across the Pervdessors forehead and drop him off in Saudi Arabia. It would take him less than 5 seconds to learn the truth about Islam.

oscarwilde on November 18, 2015 at 12:50 PM

I’m also good with:

INSANE!

…although that will not be an acceptable defense at trial.

de rigueur on November 18, 2015 at 12:52 PM

How soon will it be that the ACLU will file a lawsuit to stop the hurtful and racist questioning of the refugees and the unnecessary fingerprinting?

Kissmygrits on November 18, 2015 at 12:53 PM

Sorry, had to fix that for you, you misspelled evil…

oscarwilde on November 18, 2015 at 12:37 PM

Our leaders are playing a different game than public statements indicate: they’re playing for the other team.

Who is John Galt on November 18, 2015 at 12:38 PM

Indeed. Its a damned crime that the Julius and Ethel Rosenberg Solution can’t be applied to a $hitload of them.

oscarwilde on November 18, 2015 at 12:53 PM

Will the government vet the refugees like the IRS did the American TEA Party…?

d1carter on November 18, 2015 at 1:04 PM

How soon will it be that the ACLU will file a lawsuit to stop the hurtful and racist questioning of the refugees and the unnecessary fingerprinting?

Kissmygrits on November 18, 2015 at 12:53 PM

You spelled CAIR wrong.

CAIR is America’s largest Muslim civil liberties and advocacy organization. Its mission is to enhance the understanding of Islam, encourage dialogue, protect civil liberties, empower American Muslims, and build coalitions that promote justice and mutual understanding

WhirledPeas on November 18, 2015 at 1:08 PM

Lacking anything other than a dodgy set of identification papers there is very little to go on beyond the word of the subject and how trustworthy they seem during an interview. How much faith to you want to place in that when the cost of being wrong is so high? As with everything else in the terrorism game, we need 100% accuracy to remain safe and the terrorists only have to be right once.

We (and you know who I mean) laid the foundations for accepting Muslim terrorism as the “necessary price of freedom” back when we turned a blind eye (or even supported) the IRA and the Basques and other “right thinking” terrorists.

Terrorism is terrorism, and should be anathema for any political group anywhere, anytime.
And I am not exempting the American colonists who tyrannized Tories, or the actions during the Civil War on both sides.

AesopFan on November 18, 2015 at 1:12 PM

How many Syrian refugees is the Muslim-majority country of Saudi Arabia accepting?

None, but it has offered to build 200 mosques in Germany.

How many Syrian refugees is the Muslim-majority country of Iran accepting?

None, but it has sent 50,000 troops to back Assad.

How many Syrian refugees is the Muslim-majority country of Jordan accepting?

None, ‘we have enough of them and Pallies already!’

How many Syrian refugees is the Muslim-majority country of Lebanon accepting?

None…now.

How many Syrian refugees is the Muslim-majority country of Pakistan accepting?

A number ’embarrassingly small’.

How many Syrian refugees is the Muslim-majority country of Qatar accepting?

None, citing concerns that doing so would expose it to terrorism.

How many Syrian refugees is the Muslim-majority country of Kuwait accepting?

None, citing concerns that doing so would expose it to terrorism.

How many Syrian refugees is the Muslim-majority country of the UAE accepting?

None, citing concerns that doing so would expose it to terrorism.

How many Syrian refugees is the Muslim-majority country of Bahrain accepting?

None, citing concerns that doing so would expose it to terrorism.

How many Syrian refugees is the world’s largest Muslim-majority country,
Indonesia, accepting?

7,000…and that is ONLY if Malaysia and Bangladesh accepts some of them.

Even as it has called the failure of the world’s largest economy, the United States, ‘to do more, spend more, and accept more refugees…shameful’, how many Syrian refugees is the world’s largest country and second largest economy, China, accepting?

Exactly ZERO.

Finally, even after he came to the United States and joined the A$$h0le-in-Chief in lecturing us that, basically, if we fail to open our own homes to Syrian ‘refugees’, we are SELFISH, GREEDY, HATEFUL, BIGOTED, XENOPHOBIC, EVIL HUMAN BEINGS, how many Syrian refugees is Il Papa and the Vatican accepting?

Two…temporarily.

Bishbop on November 18, 2015 at 1:12 PM

CAIR National – [email protected]

#CAIR-AZ: Protesters

denounce

Gov. Ducey’s effort to stop the resettlement of refugees in Arizona

WhirledPeas on November 18, 2015 at 1:12 PM

Lots of good comments, and some re-posts from other threads today, but this is a good new zinger.

How soon will it be that the ACLU will file a lawsuit to stop the hurtful and racist questioning of the refugees and the unnecessary fingerprinting?

Kissmygrits on November 18, 2015 at 12:53 PM

#MLM — you can figure it out.

AesopFan on November 18, 2015 at 1:13 PM

Funny….

They tell us they can properly vet all these “refugees” and never talk about how much it will cost.

But, suggest to them that we deport illegal aliens who have committed FELONIES, and all the sudden “It can’t be done! It’ll cost a fortune! We don’t have the resources!”

CurtZHP on November 18, 2015 at 12:06 PM

See the comment about housing to get another entry in the Hypocrisy Awards category.

This also addresses your example.
http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/11/four-american-presidents-conducted-deportations/

AesopFan on November 18, 2015 at 1:14 PM

Why did Obama a few weeks ago turn down Syrian Christians according to Foxe’s John Stossell report? The media buried this story,, these refugees were targeted by ISIS just because they were Christians. Wasobama afraid of these people?

garydt on November 18, 2015 at 1:14 PM

Washington wasn’t nearly so confident in this refugee vetting process a few months ago

That’s because they weren’t certain any Islamic Jihadist would manage to sneak in, now they are certain that they will get their Islamic Jihadists.

oscarwilde on November 18, 2015 at 12:20 PM

OW, cynicism is bad for your blood pressure.
Not unwarranted, just unhealthy.

AesopFan on November 18, 2015 at 1:15 PM

This whole idea of “vetting” is nonsense.
Debating whether it will be done well or badly is pointless.
Incredibly, I haven’t seen anyone point out the obvious.

Take a guess – they’re free.

corona79 on November 18, 2015 at 1:16 PM

It’s now 30 states, but this article is way good.

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2015 at 12:25 PM

It’s from Walter Russell Mead – and is indeed one of the best on the topic.

…To see the full cynicism of the Obama approach to the refugee issue, one has only to ask President Obama’s least favorite question: Why is there a Syrian refugee crisis in the first place?
Obama’s own policy decisions—allowing Assad to convert peaceful demonstrations into an increasingly ugly civil war, refusing to declare safe havens and no fly zones—were instrumental in creating the Syrian refugee crisis.

To think that conspicuous moral posturing and holy posing over a symbolic refugee quota could turn President Obama from the goat to the hero of the Syrian crisis is absurd. Wringing your hands while Syria turns into a hell on earth, and then taking a token number of refugees, can be called many things, but decent and wise are not among them. You don’t have to be a xenophobe or a racist or even a Republican to reject this President’s leadership on Syria policy. All you need for that is common sense and a moral compass.

it’s almost certain that the President’s program will result in settling people in the United States who could not be certified to fight for the United States in Syria.

To call people troubled by these concerns racists and xenophobes is to divide and polarize this country in ways that will cost us all dearly down the road. We have enough hate, enough radicalism, enough mutual misunderstanding and distrust between left and right in America as it is. The President is adding to that distrust, and doing it in a particularly ugly and damaging way.

In all the world, only President Obama had the ability to do anything significant to prevent this catastrophe; in all the world no one turned his back so coldly and resolutely on the suffering Syrians as the man who sits in the White House today—a man who is now lecturing his fellow citizens on what he insists is their moral inferiority before his own high self-esteem.

The “why are Jacksonians such xenophobes?” conversation, given the way so much of the country’s media works, is the conversation we are having. It is not the conversation the country, or even the President, needs.

AesopFan on November 18, 2015 at 1:21 PM

Hey, I’d make a joke about the Housing crisis when all those mortgages were supposed to be checked and validated and signed off on, because that is what everyone expected to be done and that was the standard in the industry, and then we found out, AFTER THE HOUSING MELTDOWN, that there were just so many apps and not enough people to review and the deadlines forced people to skip their due diligence and just rubber stamp all the apps …

but the result of that was just lives ruined; livelihoods destroyed; and homes and money lost, not thousands of people murdered in cold blood; blown up and splattered everywhere; and gutted like animals as will happen before we find out there were too many applicants and too few checkers and too much pressure to meet Obama’s deadlines.

Dusty on November 18, 2015 at 1:26 PM

So the government acknowledged where the process has fallen short and is hard at work developing solutions? What more do you want?

libfreeordie on November 18, 2015 at 12:13 PM

To implement those solutions before letting in a flood of people already known to have terrorists infiltrating them in order to blow our $#!+ up.

IT’S NOT THAT HARD.

The Schaef on November 18, 2015 at 1:28 PM

Take a guess – they’re free.

[corona79 on November 18, 2015 at 1:16 PM]

I’ll take a shot at it: The refugee’s position on ISIS can “evolve” after they are stateside.

Dusty on November 18, 2015 at 1:36 PM

Impeach obama now, while we are still alive. I know it is OK not to impeach him now because a lot of dead voters vote dhimocrapt. Evidently, dhimocrapts have higher priorities than the safety of their neighbors.

Old Country Boy on November 18, 2015 at 1:39 PM

usual wont

That’s a pleonasm.

Tzetzes on November 18, 2015 at 1:43 PM

Chris Cuomo called them xenophobes — even as he was reporting on the raid in France last night.

[WhirledPeas on November 18, 2015 at 12:28 PM]

Yeah, well, Chris Cuomo is an ISIS facilitator.

Dusty on November 18, 2015 at 1:46 PM

“[…] ISIL […],” Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said […], using another name for the Islamic State.

I think by now pretty much everyone knows that ISIS/ISIL/IS/Daesh are all the same thing.

Tzetzes on November 18, 2015 at 1:47 PM

It’s now 30 states, but this article is way good.

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2015 at 12:25 PM

Keep an eye on this article, especially the map — updated hourly.

Compare to party affiliation map here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_governors

Now (1:30pm ET) 31 governors in opposition: this is 28 of the 31 Republicans (one supporter in Utah, two uncommitted) plus three of the 18 Dems (one uncommitted); 1 independent supports settlements.

AesopFan on November 18, 2015 at 1:48 PM

I hadn’t thought about who exactly would be responsible for the vetting until I read these posts. Isn’t the department of Homeland security the ones who have failed twice this year in tests of our airport security? I think the first test was 95% failure rate?

I was listening to the news and I recall an FBI guy saying the immigrant vetting takes 6 months to complete but these Syrian migrants are suppose to be here by the end of the year? Am I to assume the vetting started in early summer so we have a list of how many are women, toddlers and men? Something doesn’t smell right here.

tej on November 18, 2015 at 1:54 PM

Are #RefugeesWelcome at 5046 S Greenwood Avenue, the Obamas’ empty crib in Chicago?

Bishbop on November 18, 2015 at 2:04 PM

I hadn’t thought about who exactly would be responsible for the vetting until I read these posts. Isn’t the department of Homeland security the ones who have failed twice this year in tests of our airport security? I think the first test was 95% failure rate?

I was listening to the news and I recall an FBI guy saying the immigrant vetting takes 6 months to complete but these Syrian migrants are suppose to be here by the end of the year? Am I to assume the vetting started in early summer so we have a list of how many are women, toddlers and men? Something doesn’t smell right here.

tej on November 18, 2015 at 1:54 PM

My thoughts, exactly.

Some unanswered questions:

Who is conducting the “vetting”? The FBI? ICE? DHS?

If Syria doesn’t have a national database to check to see if they are a risk, what are they checking?

Where is the “vetting” being conducted? In the ME? (I would hope so, to ensure those failing the vetting process would be denied refugee status). Or, is it being conducted here, once they get off the plane or ship? If it’s here, where are the “refugees” housed while the 6 month vetting process is accomplished? What is being done to keep track of these “refugees” once they are here? If it is being conducted here, and they fail the vetting, how are they being sent back to their home country?

GAlpha10 on November 18, 2015 at 2:31 PM

I was listening to the news and I recall an FBI guy saying the immigrant vetting takes 6 months to complete but these Syrian migrants are suppose to be here by the end of the year? Am I to assume the vetting started in early summer so we have a list of how many are women, toddlers and men? Something doesn’t smell right here.

tej on November 18, 2015 at 1:54 PM

Apparently I was wrong….per Homeland Security it takes 18-24 months to perform the vetting process. So, they have had the list of Syrian refugees since the 2014 if they are to arrive here by the end of this year. Give us the list of how many men, women and children.

tej on November 18, 2015 at 2:32 PM

We can’t even do criminal background checks on these people, let alone ties to terrorist organizations. We’re going to be admitting thousands of criminals (to do crimes our present illegals do not want to do) and we’re going to pay for the privilege.

thesorcerer on November 18, 2015 at 2:33 PM

So….they didn’t bother to ask Ellison about all the young Muslim men from his neck of the woods who are currently on Jihad with ISIS?

quikstrike98 on November 18, 2015 at 2:40 PM

the Boston bombing brothers were child refugees that our govt brought in, its already happened before folks

burserker on November 18, 2015 at 2:48 PM

The truth is that the “vetting process” will consist of one question: Will you vote for the Democrat Party?

RJL on November 18, 2015 at 2:51 PM

Just let them hang themselves on this issue. We had a Charlie Hebdo attempt already at Pam Gellar’s event (which went about as well for the jihadis as you’d expect in a gathering of Texas conservatives). We’re bound to have our share of this new intifada attempts. Obama’s just banking on it happening under the next President.

evergreen on November 18, 2015 at 2:52 PM

Obama’s just banking on it happening under the next President.

Yeah. Bill Clinton gave us “Little Bosnia” here in St. Louis 20 years ago. We now have Bosnian Muslims from St. Louis under indictment for giving aid to ISIS.

quikstrike98 on November 18, 2015 at 3:13 PM

We have to let Obama get at least a handful of his jihadi brethren into the US.

How else will he be able to declare martial law?

Oxymoron on November 18, 2015 at 3:31 PM

Have the Republican Senate and Republican House sent the bill to his desk yet ending this absolutely and daring him to veto it?

Because it’s looking more and more like failure theater and election hype and GOPe doing not a damn thing, but trying to keep the damage going so they have talking points

kunegetikos on November 18, 2015 at 3:39 PM

Ellison is well versed in makara.

Carnac on November 18, 2015 at 5:33 PM