Bloomberg group mourns Paris dead as “victims of gun violence”

posted at 8:31 am on November 14, 2015 by Jazz Shaw

We all saw what happened last night in Paris and Ed was covering the updates as they came in. It didn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out what was happening as soon as the news broke and for once I didn’t see too many people on social media urging everyone not to jump to conclusions. We knew what it was and who – in general terms – was responsible for it. But that clearly wasn’t going to stop one particular group here in the United States from trying to capitalize on it almost immediately. The Michael Bloomberg organized anti-gun group, Moms Demand Action, decided to express their own condolences for the dead and injured in France in a way which only such an organization could.

This may be a good time to remember that this is the same group who named Tamerlan Tsarnaev as a “victim of gun violence” in the wake of the Boston Marathon bombing.

While there were definitely some guns used by the Islamic terrorists during the attacks, these “Moms” may want to take note of the fact that there were multiple, coordinated suicide bombers in play. France’s gun laws are incredibly restrictive and no civilian is allowed to have the Kalashnikovs which authorities on the scene are reporting were used by the terrorists. This isn’t a gun control question… this is a problem with Islam, now complicated by the legacy of European immigration policy. Anyone thinking we were “rushing to judgement” about tying those two questions together last night should be quieting down considerably this morning.

To be clear, there was already a problem with Muslim terrorists in France. You don’t even have to reference Charlie Hebdo to know that. But the seeds which had previously been sown have clearly been watered by an influx of new talent coming from the battlefields of Iraq and Syria. One European leader after another has faced withering criticism from their own people for allowing this nearly unrestricted human flood to wash over their borders, bringing with it some people who aren’t interested in sanctuary or melding in with the local culture.

Angela Merkel was put back on the ropes almost as soon as the news hit the international wires.

Chancellor Angela Merkel put up a spirited defense of her leadership on Friday, vowing to “fight for my vision” of how to deal with the refugee crisis that has stretched Germany’s resources and damaged her standing.

Infighting in Merkel’s ruling coalition and a unilateral decision by her interior minister on asylum policy have raised questions about the chancellor’s leadership, though coalition sources have dismissed speculation of a “putsch” against her…

“The chancellor has the situation under control … I have my vision and I will fight for it,” she said, adding that she wanted to address the root causes of the refugees’ flight and to better protect the European Union’s outer borders.

The Chancellor may want to pause and take a good look at those Syrian passports on the bodies of the Paris attackers. She might also have a chat with the Italian police, who found a convicted terrorist sneaking in with a boatload of Syrian refugees.

The hashtag #PrayForParis was one of the top trending ones in the world overnight. Yes, by all means, pray for Paris. Pray for us all. But we’re well past the point where we should have realized that a hashtag isn’t going to fix anything. Standing in solidarity, as championed by both the United States President and Britain’s Prime Minister, is a lovely and welcome sentiment in France, I’m sure. But it’s not going to fix anything. The cancer in Iraq and Syria is only the latest outbreak of a disease which has been showing lethal symptoms for more than three decades, and it’s now metastasized through the western world. It’s not that law enforcement and intelligence agencies aren’t doing anything about it… the French authorities have broken up more plots than I can count, and we’ve caught quite a few in the Untied States as well. But they’ll never be able to break them all up until the status quo changes.

And by now I think we all know what that means. Not only do the home bases of these animals need to be rooted out and destroyed, but we’ve got to be seriously engaged in finding their tendrils which have taken root in civilized countries. And that’s going to mean stepping on some toes and bumping up against that whole Freedom of Religion thing. If we’re not going to take the job seriously, last night’s attacks are just going to remain the new normal.

You’re not going to tweet this problem away, guys.


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Kinda hard to kill 1.6 billion folks.

HonestLib on November 14, 2015 at 10:32 AM

You just have to kill until they say uncle with an unconditional surrender knowing that any hiccup results in more killing

They will clean their own house with proper motivation

Mr Soames on November 14, 2015 at 1:05 PM

No. I threw the thing in the clothes washer with a detergent pod, then I locked the laundry room door so the gun couldn’t get out and kill someone.

Bishop on November 14, 2015 at 1:00 PM

I almost did that. I was going to toss it in with my socks, but my wife gave me hell about mixing darks and lights.

CurtZHP on November 14, 2015 at 1:05 PM

I bleached mine once. I had to throw it out because of the bleach spots.

NotCoach on November 14, 2015 at 1:08 PM

“Victims of gun violence”? That’s like calling the dead from the firebombing of Dresden “victims of arson.”

Good Solid B-Plus on November 14, 2015 at 1:09 PM

Their plan is already in action in Europe and in some part here in America. The goal of C.A.I.R and other Islamic groups is to join with Progressives to dismantle the 1st Amendment.

HonestLib on November 14, 2015 at 12:48 PM

On point.

+1000

itsspideyman on November 14, 2015 at 1:09 PM

Which is why I painted all my lost guns white, so they matched my athletic socks, and the wife wouldn’t yell at me.

Bishop on November 14, 2015 at 1:09 PM

Great post Shaw. I wholeheartedly agree with you. As long as we treat these people with kid gloves while they slaughter us, they will simply continue to slaughter us. It is time to treat this like the war that it really is and not a police action. We need to take it to them the same way that we took it to the Germans and Japanese in the 1940’s.

Theophile on November 14, 2015 at 1:10 PM

Which is why I painted all my lost guns white, so they matched my athletic socks, and the wife wouldn’t yell at me.

Bishop on November 14, 2015 at 1:09 PM

Makes them a lot less dangerous too……

dentarthurdent on November 14, 2015 at 1:10 PM

Wait. Clean it?
You might like wipe it with a cloth?

CurtZHP on November 14, 2015 at 12:56 PM

I just take them out in the yard and hose them down – before I throw them in the trash of course, since the bullet thingies are all used up…..

dentarthurdent on November 14, 2015 at 12:59 PM

I have found that running them through 2 cycles of the dishwasher and then an hour in the high heat cycle of the clothes dryer works real well and they smells good too. My wife hangs hers on the clothesline after the dishwasher cycles which serves a few advantageous purposes…the least is that we have never met our neighbors and USPS, UPS and FedEx don’t service our address.

tej on November 14, 2015 at 1:12 PM

verbaluce on November 14, 2015 at 8:59 AM

Wrong. One is for you being able to defend yourself, one is against it.

cozmo on November 14, 2015 at 9:17 AM

Yes. If these ‘moms’ want to turn themselves and their children into victims, have at it.
Isis won’t stop chopping off your head….even if you wet your pants.

HornetSting on November 14, 2015 at 1:13 PM

Time out to go get showered and dressed – if my guns will let me get past them.
Catch y’all again in a bit – if the guns don’t get me…..

dentarthurdent on November 14, 2015 at 1:13 PM

I know there are some people that just get lucky and Bloomberg must be one of them as he is one of the dumbest people I have ever heard of that is rich.

pwb on November 14, 2015 at 1:13 PM

You mean like the soccer stadium? Or the concert hall? You think those entities are going to allow you to carry firearms into them? I se concerts on a regular basis, and a pat down for guns is de rigeur.

Once again, this is Micheal Bay style fantasy…

JohnGalt23 on November 14, 2015 at 11:56 AM

Do you really have that little faith in your fellow American citizens?

I’ve been to hundreds of sporting events. I’ve seen drunk, angry people do a lot of stupid things: streak, rush the field, throw bottles, throw batteries, throw radios, throw food, get into fights…there’s no shortage of bad behavior. But I don’t think any of those people would have been any more dangerous if they were carrying a firearm.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 14, 2015 at 1:15 PM

Kinda hard to kill 1.6 billion folks.

HonestLib on November 14, 2015 at 10:32 AM

No, from my experience it really isn’t much harder than killing a few hundred but it does take time and a good supplier of ammunition.

tej on November 14, 2015 at 1:20 PM

They will clean their own house with proper motivation

Mr Soames on November 14, 2015 at 1:05 PM

Put the squeeze on the Imams. We used to do this, but they are now off limits.

HonestLib on November 14, 2015 at 1:21 PM

Put the squeeze on the Imams. We used to do this, but they are now off limits.

HonestLib on November 14, 2015 at 1:21 PM

We could take a page from Napoleon and convene a new Sanhedrin. That had mixed results, though.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 14, 2015 at 1:26 PM

Is there something significant about a “black seat car”?:

Black Seat car
Posted at 18:21

Mr Molins says 99 people are still in critical conditions. He also mentions that in one of the attacks, gunmen used a black Seat vehicle.
BBC

davidk on November 14, 2015 at 1:26 PM

They will clean their own house with proper motivation
Mr Soames on November 14, 2015 at 1:05 PM
Put the squeeze on the Imams. We used to do this, but they are now off limits.
HonestLib on November 14, 2015 at 1:21 PM

And we don’t mean hugs

Mr Soames on November 14, 2015 at 1:27 PM

No, from my experience it really isn’t much harder than killing a few hundred but it does take time and a good supplier of ammunition.

tej on November 14, 2015 at 1:20 PM

In general you have three types of Muslims.

Secular Muslims.

Muslims who will encourage or participate in non-violent means of submission and who are more than willing to stand on the sidelines while the third group carries out violent submission.

Muslims who will participate in violent means of submission.

For your idea to work, leaders of the Western World will have to decide and then convince folks that killing the second group is the way to go.

How do you classify group number as soldiers? If that classification is impossible, what legal ground do we have to kill them?

Don’t misunderstand me as I fully understand what Islam is in the process of achieving.

HonestLib on November 14, 2015 at 1:35 PM

Just imagine if there was no religion:

Imagine
Posted at 14:09

Davide Martello brought a moment of relative calm on Saturday to the area around the Bataclan concert hall, where scores of people died in the attacks.

Mr Martello played John Lennon’s Imagine on a piano attached to his bicycle for a small crowd.

He previously played at the sites of the Charlie Hebdo attacks, as well as at the Maidan protest in Ukraine, Taksim Square in Istanbul, and in Afghanistan.
BBC

davidk on November 14, 2015 at 1:35 PM

But they do ban guns at football stadiums, and concert venues. For very good reasons, not the least of which is they don’t want criminals or terrorists to be able to walk in with them.

Which puts all this “Well, if the French only had a Second Amendment” BS to bed…

JohnGalt23 on November 14, 2015 at 12:08 PM

Johnny, posting a sign don’t get it. Unless the mall, concert, football game, etc. has metal detectors backed up by guards (and most don’t), I carry concealed anyway. Never had an issue.

SDN on November 14, 2015 at 1:47 PM

Are we willing to do that? Are conservatives even willing to do that? This is why it is easier to simply put secular dictators in charge and let them do the dirty work. We don’t have to take the blame for what needs to be done.

William Eaton on November 14, 2015 at 9:39 AM

I’m veering right back to the strongman theme because the only other way to change this path is to destroy on a scale that no on in government will ever have the stomach for.

Bishop on November 14, 2015 at 9:50 AM

Mark Steyn (paraphrased because I can’t find the exact quote): If you drive reasonable people out of the discourse, all you have left are the unreasonable ones.
Meaning: Since the Muslim terrorists are continually rebuffing all peaceful gestures and mocking the West’s platitudes about “moderate Muslims” eventually our appeasers will be replaced by “strongmen” willing to confront and destroy the jihadis.
There will be collateral damage.

By the way, Bishop, there are plenty in the government with the stomach to eliminate people; they just aren’t targeting jihadis.
Americans as a whole — in the past — have been reluctant to wage all-out war unless driven to it.

AesopFan on November 14, 2015 at 1:51 PM

Listening on the late-night drive home last night to the end of the hour coverage of the attacks on MSNBC, their guest talking head was bemoaning the idea not so much of the attacks, but that this could make people look more negatively at Islam, because, in her words “A lot of Muslims were probably victims of these attacks.” The hour then closed with a brief about how this was also awful because it might help Jean-Marie {ed: Marine} LePen’s National Front Party in the upcoming local elections, as if the terrorists should have been smart enough to delay their attacks until the elections were over.

So even though the attacks, those on the left couldn’t help but think about not so much how terrible it was that the Islamic radicals slaughtered over 100 people, but how the slaughter might help the ideas of those they disagree with, and in the case of the Bloomberg group, how they could completely ignore the ideology of the radicals and instead try to shift the focus to their guns, in order to use the attacks to push their own personal agenda, just as if this was no different than Sandy Hook or Umpqua Community College.

jon1979 on November 14, 2015 at 8:54 AM

We need to remember that we face enemies on more than one front.
PS: I doubt many Muslims were at the heavy metal concert (an archetypal scene of the kind of rampant vice decried in the ISIS claim of responsibility), although there might have been some at the stadium.
PPS: and don’t forget the Precious Snowflakes at our universities, who were totally dissed that a terrorist massacre upstaged their 15-minutes of fame.

AesopFan on November 14, 2015 at 1:57 PM

But they do ban guns at football stadiums, and concert venues. For very good reasons, not the least of which is they don’t want criminals or terrorists to be able to walk in with them.

Which puts all this “Well, if the French only had a Second Amendment” BS to bed…

JohnGalt23 on November 14, 2015 at 12:08 PM

Johnny, posting a sign don’t get it. Unless the mall, concert, football game, etc. has metal detectors backed up by guards (and most don’t), I carry concealed anyway. Never had an issue.

SDN on November 14, 2015 at 1:47 PM

The signs are only so they can prosecute the (otherwise legal) carriers if they happen to pull out their guns and take down the terrorists.

AesopFan on November 14, 2015 at 1:59 PM

The problem isn’t guns it’s islam. Not “radical islam” but islam itself. If you read the quran you will see that the subhuman garbage that routinely do this are just doing what their religion insists that they do.

V7_Sport on November 14, 2015 at 2:00 PM

AesopFan on November 14, 2015 at 9:49 AM

Remember Jim Jones? No problem defining his group as a cult, not a religion.

dogsoldier on November 14, 2015 at 9:52 AM

You don’t have to make a distinction.
Mass murder is not legal for either one.

AesopFan on November 14, 2015 at 2:00 PM

I suppose a photo of an Auschwitz gas chamber might be tweeted with the caption ‘We are united in mourning all lives lost to improper use of household chemicals’.

JEM on November 14, 2015 at 2:01 PM

Pulled from Obama presser thread:
<blockquote

>“No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science—the science against which it had vainly struggled—the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”

Winston Churchill

It appears that Winston Churchill had an accurate assessment of islam. That is perhaps the reason that Obama had his bust, long present in the White House, removed.
Europe is on the very verge of falling, in large part due to the actions of its own leaders, but also because of the indifference of its citizenry.
Americans must elect leaders who understand the dangers of immigration, particularly muslim immigration. Otherwise, we will soon be in the same situation as Europe currently is.

bobthm3 on November 14, 2015 at 8:53 AM

AesopFan on November 14, 2015 at 2:05 PM

And this one never gets old.

…(W)e as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. – Obama

Fallon on November 14, 2015 at 10:25 AM

Of course, he was not actually talking about Muslim jihadis, whose body-count doesn’t, um, count for Obama.

AesopFan on November 14, 2015 at 2:07 PM

I disagree with that. Most, if not all, the Jihadists would have died in the parking lot considering the amount of small arms that people had at the Garland event. Of course good guys would die, but nothing close to the freedom the Jihadist had in Paris.

William Eaton on November 14, 2015 at 9:48 AM

It sounds like this operation involved at least a dozen men, coordinated, probably professionally trained, using automatic weapons and wearing suicide vests/belts. Up against a relatively small group of civilians using small arms, uncoordinated, with only civilian training, and caught at least in part by surprise.

Disagreements are why horse racing exists, but my money in that case would be on the bad guys…

JohnGalt23 on November 14, 2015 at 10:12 AM

It looks like we will have a chance to test the two hypotheses sometime in the near future.

Some people don’t think this is a joke.
http://www.islamdaily.org/en/islam/2026.time-to-play-cowboys-and-muslims.htm

There were three men sitting on a bench, one was a Texan wearing a cowboy hat, one was a Muslim wearing a turban, and the last fellow was an Apache with a feather in his hair. The Indian was sad and gloomy as he said, “My people were many, but now we are few.” The Muslim puffs up and said, “Once my people were few, but now we are many.” The Texan adjusts his hat, rolls a smoke, leans back and drawls out, “That’s because we ain’t played Cowboys and Muslims yet.”

AesopFan on November 14, 2015 at 2:11 PM

These posts truly are Hot Air.

No country in the free world is equipped to take this fight to ISIS except the USA. The UK, France, Germany can’t even move equipment to the Mideast theater as they have no military infrastructure. No real navy and now aircraft carriers to speak of. NONE.

Without substantial blood and treasure committed by the United States of America there will be no major change to the battle against ISIS. The battle will be fought in Europe because the gutted EU cannot do anything more than that. France’s president is delusional thinking he will lead the war, what a joke.

The only hope is in president Bamby. And we know that the only strategy for him is to leave office with no boots on the ground in the Middle East.

Don’t forget Kerry said that the most dangerous threat to the world is climate change. They will be all in at the climate summit in Paris and the terriost attack in France will be in the rear view mirror, Paris attacks will go the way of the Charlie Hebbdo attacks. Bye bye!

That’s just reality!

SayNo2-O on November 14, 2015 at 2:13 PM

NotCoach on November 14, 2015 at 10:23 AM

I’m not even sure if verbaluce even knows what he’s talking about. I was there, I asked about gun ownership, I spoke to soldiers, boarder guards and police, I spoke to citizens, citizens who were packing.

While I was there last month, the mayor of Jerusalem told the public that those who had gun licenses and weapons, should wear them, in public, no concealed bullpucky.

Walter L. Newton on November 14, 2015 at 10:27 AM

Walter – I’m glad you were not vacationing in France.

AesopFan on November 14, 2015 at 2:14 PM

To your faith that lots of guns fixes this, I’d suggest you consider Israel’s gun laws and casualties from terrorists acts.

verbaluce on November 14, 2015 at 9:47 AM

My personal gun is not going to SOLVE the problem. BUT, I refuse to casually await my turn to be shot. Thank you very much.

wukong on November 14, 2015 at 10:28 AM

Think: three good guys on a train — who ran to the sound of the gun.

How many gun converts will there be in France after this, amazing how being victimized by your bullshiite rhetoric can change the way you think.

Bishop on November 14, 2015 at 10:28 AM

If they can’t get guns, they’ll take what they can get.
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/11/11/germany-runs-out-of-pepper-spray-as-residents-brace-for-immigrant-crime-wave/

AesopFan on November 14, 2015 at 2:18 PM

Hey Bloomberg (et al), this is what a gun free zone looks like.

Just imagine for a minute how different things would have been, if some of these law abiding citizens actually had the opportunity and means to defend themselves.

Oxymoron on November 14, 2015 at 2:22 PM

Another Muslim caused disaster.

SpongePuppy on November 14, 2015 at 2:23 PM

A more reasonable version of Assad and Saddam..or heck maybe Assad and a guy who looks like Saddam.

William Eaton on November 14, 2015 at 10:16 AM

Have you considered that maybe the “reasonable” versions of Saddam don’t rise to the top in ME politics for a reason?

JohnGalt23 on November 14, 2015 at 10:28 AM

Once the genie is out of the bottle, even reasonable people are driven to do what has to be done to re-inter them.
It is not nice, but it is — at that point — rational.
Reasonable people are the ones who try to limit the carnage, and quit when the danger is terminated.

Assad and Saddam do not make that cut.
But peoples engaged in existential battles may not be able to control who rises to the top — because the Assads and Saddams eliminate the reasonabl people who thought they were in charge, until they find out otherwise.

So far, America has fought the existential wars and then the leaders stopped — which is the genius of both our Constitution and the willingness of the citizens to honor it.
That may not always be true.

AesopFan on November 14, 2015 at 2:24 PM

I ask again. Are you planning on deporting your fellow citizens. Because around 3 million of those Muslims are, in fact and in law, your fellow citizens.

JohnGalt23 on November 14, 2015 at 10:19 AM

How you expect anyone to consider muslims “fellow citizens” is beyond me. Islam by it’s very nature is incompatible with western civilization.

Everywhere muslims exist in numbers … they exert their demand for compliance with Islamic law. That’s already happened here and will increase as their numbers grow. Terrorism will also increase.

I have no desire to sacrifice the lives of innocent people for muslims.

darwin on November 14, 2015 at 10:29 AM

This is the real issue.
It is similar to the question of incarcerating or executing vicious criminals rather than putting innocents at risk of being their next victims.
We can live peaceably with 3 or 6 or 16 million Muslims who do not want to kill us.
We cannot live peaceably with 3 or 6 or 16 who do.
Thwart the killers before they strike, punish them afterward, and quit coddling their enablers out of fear, and we can leave the others alone.
If the “innocents” aren’t on board with that, then they are not innocent.

AesopFan on November 14, 2015 at 2:28 PM

I suppose a photo of an Auschwitz gas chamber might be tweeted with the caption ‘We are united in mourning all lives lost to improper use of household chemicals’.

JEM on November 14, 2015 at 2:01 PM

Yep. That’s a fair assessment of the liberal spin.

SpongePuppy on November 14, 2015 at 2:29 PM

she wanted to address the root causes of the refugees’ flight

Well, then, you might want to plus up your military capability and go kill some bad guys then. Because that’s what’s necessary to address the “root causes”.

GWB on November 14, 2015 at 2:30 PM

Two quick points:

With these insane progressive fascists multi culturists – an ISIS or Al Queda nuke could take out New York tomorrow and within 30 seconds Obama would be making it clear the attack has nothing to do with Islam. There’s no real hope while they hold power.

A future strategy to deal with this:

Isolate/cut off the Muslim world from the rest. No air travel, train travel, etc. Isolate Muslim areas like we isolated Japanese island garrisons in the Pacific.

Declare Islam, not a religion, but a national security/political threat. Close all Mosques.

Kick out all non-citizen Muslims – no workers, students, vacationers, etc. There can be no coexistence with this crazy cult.

Take out the Iranian nuke program and others we can get at.

Warn the Muslims that any future 9/11 style attack will result in the destruction of the Black Stone of Ka’ba, ie Mecca.

World wide frackking to send the Middle East oil producing states back to the 5th Century.

Flood the Middle East with Pro-Christian/Anti-Muslim broadcasts. Shut down the Internet in the Middle East any way possible.

thesorcerer on November 14, 2015 at 2:33 PM

Colloquy to consider.

No. I just want it absolutely clear who stands on the sides of the civil liberties of my fellow citizens, and who stands against them…

JohnGalt23 on November 14, 2015 at 10:34 AM

Muslims don’t care about civil liberties. They only care about spreading islam.

Look around the world. There is no country where muslims coexist with others. They don’t even coexist with themselves.

darwin on November 14, 2015 at 10:36 AM

You made my point. Turn over a billion Muslims, who currently want us to submit through non-violence; into wanting us to submit by death. That’s the ticket.

Kinda hard to kill 1.6 billion folks.

HonestLib on November 14, 2015 at 10:32 AM

So my only option is to submit? I reject that.

WryTrvllr on November 14, 2015 at 10:36 AM

Civil liberties are defined by the state and may be taken away at the state’s whim. I stand on the side of natural liberty which transcends man’s law. When you belong to a political system masquerading as a religion which seeks to convert me by force, all bets are off.

gryphon202 on November 14, 2015 at 10:37 AM

kick the family dog enough, it will eventually bite.

WryTrvllr on November 14, 2015 at 10:40 AM

AesopFan on November 14, 2015 at 2:36 PM

Up against a relatively small group of civilians using small arms, uncoordinated, with only civilian training, and caught at least in part by surprise.

JohnGalt23 on November 14, 2015 at 10:12 AM

A relatively small group of civilians, huh? You mean like the ones on Concorde Bridge in 1775?
Small arms? What do you think AK-47s are? “Small arms”. At the ranges involved, a pistol is just about as good as an assault rifle.
With only civilian training? Hah! An awful lot of folks packing have military experience. And that experience is vastly better than whatever training Jihadi Johnny gets in Syria or Iraq.
I think the bigger surprise is having fire returned when you thought you were just going up against a “bunch of civilians”.

My money? Might not be on the good guys every time (heck, Lord Dunmore managed to win some battles in Virginia – after he got his butt kicked by a smaller force), but I know who will win in the long run: patriots.

GWB on November 14, 2015 at 2:48 PM

“…and we’ve caught quite a few in the Untied States as well.”

I realize that this is a typo but it currently has a certain, shall we say, resonance.

Donald Trump, call your office.

Mike from NC on November 14, 2015 at 4:06 PM

JohnGalt23 on November 14, 2015 at 10:45 AM

You are absolutely wrong. Two men with guns held off a large concerted attack by AlQaeda Muslim terrorists FOR NINE HOURS when they were abandoned by Zero and the Witch.

Your assertion is pure RUBBISH. A handful of armed Frenchman could have made a big difference in the outcome of this terrorist atrocity. Gun control is as much a cultural mental issue as it is an civil one. Wishful thinking doesn’t make you safe.

dogsoldier on November 14, 2015 at 4:14 PM

C’mon, verbaluce ! … How about a response?
.

No, only Bloomberg, since it’s obvious to any rational mind that we citizens need to be prepared to defend our own lives and those around us, since our insane elites seem determined to get us killed.
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dogsoldier on November 14, 2015 at 9:03 AM
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You can tell yourself that, but ISIS has managed to massacre plenty in places that are far from gunless.
This isn’t a gun control issue and shouldn’t be a gun control debate.
But of course, that’s not gonna stop folks like Bloomberg, Gingrich, and it seems you from skipping down that path.
Have at it.
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verbaluce on November 14, 2015 at 9:11 AM

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The places where ISIS has experienced their greatest conquests, “that are far from gunless”, are full of people living in POVERTY.

These victims of ISIS are too poor to buy guns, and enough ammunition to do do any appreciable amount of practicing, and defending with.

Additionally, ISIS in the Middle East has an ARMY of Jihadi wannabes, and as such the citizens there are overwhelmed.

Parisian citizens with guns would be more like U.S. citizens with guns, if they were allowed to have them. Six (6) Jihadi terrorists trying the same thing over here, could only experience the same kind of success in our big cities, where legal possession of guns is heavily restricted.

If these restrictions were lifted, they would have as much difficulty carrying out such an attack in our cities, as they would in “small town, Texas.”
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listens2glenn on November 14, 2015 at 9:56 AM

listens2glenn on November 14, 2015 at 6:06 PM

Paris attacks: Prosecutor Molins says three teams involved

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34823938

davidk on November 14, 2015 at 6:15 PM

Is there something significant about a “black seat car”?:

Black Seat car
Posted at 18:21

Mr Molins says 99 people are still in critical conditions. He also mentions that in one of the attacks, gunmen used a black Seat vehicle.
BBC

davidk on November 14, 2015 at 1:26 PM

A SEAT is a brand of car. Pronounce “say-aht”. I believe they’re made in Spain. At least they were all over the place when I lived there.

Big John on November 14, 2015 at 7:05 PM

Big John on November 14, 2015 at 7:05 PM

Thanks.

davidk on November 14, 2015 at 7:11 PM

OMG! Gun control or having guns? Reminds me of the line, “Better to be thought of as an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt”. This crap that just happened has nothing to do with either!
You have ISIS terrorists trying to destroy our way of life and we have to deal with them just like we did to the Nazis/Japs. Just like WWII, a coalition of countries could not do what had to be done without the USA doing the majority of work, period. Wake up you “Community Organizers” and live in the real world. It sucks, nor fair, use any word you want, but that’s a fact Jack. Grow up and realize this is not a fantasy world. There are monsters out there and we have to deal with them. God, I feel dumber from reading some of this crap. My Marketing Professor in college stated when selling an item to the public, keep in mind the average person has an IQ barely above Moron..boy was he ever right!! LOL.

whsiii on November 14, 2015 at 12:07 PM

It was pointed out that I posted this to the wrong thread..at least it was a mistake, not a an intended response to what happened.. ” To err is human, to forgive, divine” We all make mistakes, but repeating them over and over is stupidity. Time for strong drink and I don’t mean soda!

whsiii on November 14, 2015 at 7:15 PM

Poor JohnGalt.

Perhaps you should educate yourself. Check out the story of the Liberator .45 ACP single shot in WWII.

Apparently someone thought it worthwhile to arm a bunch of untrained civilians in the face of overwhelming odds.

WryTrvllr on November 14, 2015 at 7:17 PM

Can we please treat them like a nation state that they declared to be and start bombing WWII style? We are already “murderers” in their eyes so why not give that some real meaning. They should be hit hard enough to put down their weapons/homicide vests and no more, just in case you think I’m advocating for actual murder.

mgron on November 15, 2015 at 8:57 AM

So why are dem/libs so protective of muslims that they won’t even call the radicals what they are, radical islamist terrorists? Why would we or anyone allow refugees from mideast to come here especially after we know for sure some are terrorists hiding among them. Why aren’t we demanding other mideast countries to take them instead, where they’d at least be able to live among their own kind, or culture???

soapyjeans on November 15, 2015 at 10:35 AM

Did the guns fire themselves? Usually it take a person, sometimes even a muslim.

arand on November 15, 2015 at 11:57 AM