Ted Cruz: I laughed out loud when I heard Rubio say my immigration position isn’t much different from his

posted at 2:41 pm on November 13, 2015 by Allahpundit

Skip to 5:10 of the first clip below for the immigration bit from this morning’s interview with Mike Gallagher. Actual quote from Cruz about Rubio’s claim that the two are alike on immigration:

That’s like Obama saying my position is the same as his on Obamacare. That’s like Ayatollah Khamenei saying my position is the same as his on the Iranian nuclear deal.

Rubio and the Ayatollah Khamenei, huh?

Anyway. There are at least three broad differences between Rubio and Cruz on legalization. One: Cruz opposes a “legalization first” approach to reform, arguing correctly that that’s the same bait-and-switch that was pulled on border hawks with the 1986 immigration law. In return for mere promises of greater security to come, conservatives allowed illegals to be legalized up front. That’s what the Gang of Eight bill did. And Marco Rubio knew all about it.

Two: Rubio supports a path to citizenship to this day while Cruz has steadily opposed it. That’s important if you think we could hypothetically grant illegals the right to remain in the U.S. legally without the federal government eventually caving and granting them full citizenship at a later date. If you’re a cynic (a.k.a. you know your last 50 years of immigration history) and don’t believe that, then the difference isn’t so huge. Essentially it’s an argument about whether we should let illegals vote in, say, 15 years or (hopefully) a bit further out in time, once Congress finally gives in and ends their “second-class” status by making them citizens.

Three: We … actually know Rubio’s position on legalization whereas Ted Cruz’s remains a carefully guarded secret. “My position on immigration has been crystal clear from day one,” he says at the start of his immigration exchange with Gallagher, which I’ll bet gave Team Rubio a little LOL of their own. Follow the last link if you missed the background on that yesterday. For those who didn’t miss it, Michael Warren asks an interesting follow-up question:

Cruz told Byron York of the Washington Examiner not long after his amendments failed that his objective “was not to kill immigration reform but to amend the Gang of Eight bill so that it actually solves the problem rather than making the problem worse.” But if Cruz knew his amendments were meant to draw lines in the sand and he’s not for legalization, why didn’t his amendment propose barring any illegal immigrants from legalized status? Cruz has built a reputation in the Senate as a policy maximalist, willing to push as far as possible out of principle. It doesn’t add up that he would pull a punch and not try to amend the bill to block most or all legalization, too.

Why did Cruz’s amendment to the Gang of Eight bill offer to leave legal status for illegals in place while denying them citizenship? Team Cruz would say it’s because he wanted to isolate the issue of citizenship; if he offered Democrats everything they wanted except that, would they take the deal? The answer, it turned out, was no, which proves that citizenship for illegals is what they really wanted. Okay, but a brilliant guy like Cruz has surely absorbed the lesson I mentioned above, that legalization inevitably means citizenship. Why didn’t he stand on that point, knowing that any amendment he proposed would be defeated, and try to strip legalization from the bill too? “Legalization is eventual citizenship” he could have argued, and that would have stung Rubio. But he didn’t go that route. And we all know why: It’s because Cruz is fully planning to endorse legalization in the general election if/when he becomes the nominee. And when he does it, he’ll point back to his 2013 amendment — the one that supposedly was all about trapping Democrats — and say, “See? I was for it all along.”

Then again, that betrayal wouldn’t be nearly as grand as Rubio running for the Senate as some sort of border hawk and then stabbing conservatives in the back by joining the Gang as his first big legislative initiative. I wonder how long it’ll be before Team Cruz starts recirculating this old clip of Rubio claiming on the trail in 2010 that an “earned path to citizenship” for illegals is “basically code for amnesty.” Earned citizenship is exactly what the Gang offered. That counterattack is coming soon. In the meantime, here’s Cruz with Gallagher followed by what Rubio said yesterday about the alleged similarity of their positions on immigration.



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Bmore on November 13, 2015 at 4:27 PM

True – but that is a very small group. And not enough to really move people.

Zomcon JEM on November 13, 2015 at 4:29 PM

“implementing biometric tracking of foreign visitors”

Good luck with that one.

Excellent117 on November 13, 2015 at 3:52 PM

A little unremovable medallion on everyone’s neck, with an explosive charge. You take it, circuit breaks, it goes boom. Expired visa, it goes boom. Tada!

Rix on November 13, 2015 at 4:31 PM

In the headlines here Byron York gives an excellent summary of Rubio’s Gang of Eight bill.

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2015/11/13/the-immigration-system-marco-rubio-wanted/

INC on November 13, 2015 at 4:31 PM

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34814203

OT but get ready for it.

Limerick on November 13, 2015 at 4:32 PM

Funny!

Bmore on November 13, 2015 at 4:32 PM

Zomcon JEM on November 13, 2015 at 4:29 PM

You’re probably right, not many folks really care about any of this stuff. Outside of us that is. ; )

Bmore on November 13, 2015 at 4:34 PM

AesopFan on November 13, 2015 at 4:27 PM

You’re welcome! No, I missed that. Thanks for sharing it. (I can’t get the link to work at the moment, but I’ll keep trying

There are two Horowitz’s that I know of who are conservative. Daniel Horowitz runs Conservative Review, and I’ve been quoting him. I’m unfamiliar with his background, and I don’t know if he and David are related.

The NRO column is about David Horowitz. I’m very familiar with him, and I’ve read several of his books. One of his brainchilds:

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/

Discover the Networks: A Guide to the Political Left.

INC on November 13, 2015 at 4:38 PM

Cruz is a liar

Falz on November 13, 2015 at 4:42 PM

Bmore on November 13, 2015 at 4:34 PM

I understand the venom this has in the IT world – but coming from the manufacturing one, we used H-1Bs for lots of reasons. Properly applied, they are the type of people we would want to be here. And big manufacturing entities need to use them since they are moving people all over the world for lots of different operational and developmental reasons.

Zomcon JEM on November 13, 2015 at 4:44 PM

Cruz is a liar

Falz on November 13, 2015 at 4:42 PM

He didn’t really laugh out loud?

Buttercup on November 13, 2015 at 4:48 PM

Great editorial by Senator Sessions:

Sen. Jeff Sessions: Republican budget must follow the law, shut down Obama’s lawless amnesty

…It is time to reclaim the words “immigration reform” — incorrectly used by lobbyists and politicians as code language for amnesty and mass immigration — and reapply them correctly to legislation that benefits Americans. Politicians keep talking about “when” we should do “immigration reform.” This is the wrong question. The question should be: “Who” is “immigration reform” supposed to benefit?

There is never a bad time to move bills that protect and defend the core interests of the American people. And there is never a good time to move legislation that undermines struggling workers by replacing them with lower-wage imported labor….

INC on November 13, 2015 at 4:49 PM

Rubio and the Ayatollah Khamenei, huh?

Huh?

d1carter on November 13, 2015 at 4:50 PM

https://twitter.com/katiezez/status/665279409293803521

INC on November 13, 2015 at 4:55 PM

Nice!

Buttercup on November 13, 2015 at 4:58 PM

From the Cruz camp, March 2015:

Asked by msnbc about where Cruz stands now on legalization, campaign spokeswoman Catherine Frazier said that the senator has been “consistent” and confirmed that the views he expressed in the Tribune had not changed. She described his amendment to the Senate “gang of eight” bill as an effort ”to improve a very bad bill” that he ultimately opposed.

While Frazier said Cruz fought the bill’s path to citizenship because it “flies in the face of the rule of law,” she declined to apply the same label when asked about legal status in the right circumstances.

Here is Cruz’s position as detailed to the Tribune, that his spokesperson re-affirmed in 2015:

Asked about what to do with the people here illegally, however, he stressed that he had never tried to undo the goal of allowing them to stay.

“The amendment that I introduced removed the path to citizenship, but it did not change the underlying work permit from the Gang of Eight,” he said during a recent visit to El Paso. Cruz also noted that he had not called for deportation or, as Mitt Romney famously advocated, self-deportation.

“The baseline is anything that lets illegal aliens stay illegally,” Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, which favors reducing immigration levels, told msnbc. “Anything else is word games.”

Krikorian told msnbc Cruz’s position easily fits the bill.

“It’s the same thing: ‘I’m against amnesty, but amnesty doesn’t include giving people work permits,’” Krikorian said. “Really? Then Obama didn’t give amnesty to all those people.”

The poison pill thing is spin.

Joseph K on November 13, 2015 at 5:23 PM

This is exactly what conservatives have said for years. Do all of that stuff first and then decide what to do with the illegals already here.

jaime

That’s what stupid conservatives have said. The rest of us realize it’s amnesty shill code for amnesty. The law already tells us what to do with the illegals who are here. The only reason to talk about what to do with them is because you want to do something different. It’s a con and they’re all playing it. And some voters are actually falling for it.

xblade on November 13, 2015 at 6:00 PM

A little unremovable medallion on everyone’s neck, with an explosive charge. You take it, circuit breaks, it goes boom. Expired visa, it goes boom. Tada!

Rix on November 13, 2015 at 4:31 PM

Oh… so you want to arm suicide bombers.

(sigh)

Reuben Hick on November 13, 2015 at 6:15 PM

Paris knocked you all on your azzes, again.

Immigration is the only topic. It affects all the others. Period.

Military being deployed around Paris after unprecedented attacks…
FRENCH PRESIDENT SAYS HE WILL CLOSE BORDERS…
Gunmen shout ‘Allah Akbar’…
‘It’s for Syria’…
ISIS Celebrates: ‘Paris In Flames’…
LIVE FRANCE24…
LIVE SKYNEWS
AP UPDATE…
Hollande Evacuated From Stadium…
EARLIER TODAY: OBAMA Declares ISIS ‘Contained’…
FBI: 1,000 Active ISIS Probes Inside USA…

MUSLIM RAMPAGE IN PARIS
100 HOSTAGES TAKEN IN THEATER; 60+ DEAD
Muslims on track to exceed Jewish population in USA…

Obama moves to ‘increase and accelerate’ admission of Syrian refugees…

SCHLAFLY: Immigration is biggest fight for America…

http://www.drudgereport.com

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2015 at 6:40 PM

There are two Horowitz’s that I know of who are conservative. Daniel Horowitz runs Conservative Review, and I’ve been quoting him. I’m unfamiliar with his background, and I don’t know if he and David are related.

The NRO column is about David Horowitz. I’m very familiar with him, and I’ve read several of his books. One of his brainchilds:

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/

Discover the Networks: A Guide to the Political Left.

INC on November 13, 2015 at 4:38 PM

Thanks – looks like I got them confused. Wiki bios don’t indicate they are related.

AesopFan on November 13, 2015 at 6:46 PM

Just in case you haven’t read this.

Bmore on November 13, 2015 at 7:56 PM