Ben Carson’s mother 1997: Yes, he really did try to stab a friend when he was a kid

posted at 11:21 am on November 9, 2015 by Allahpundit

A nifty catch by BuzzFeed’s Andrew Kaczynski. And yes, it still feels weird days later that Carson and his defenders like me are eager to prove that he really did assault someone with a knife as a child rather than that he didn’t. He may have had a murderous temper, but darn it, the man’s not a liar.

He tried to gut a guy according to his own mother. Take that, media.

So, along with Politico’s West Point fiasco, that’s two popular “Carson lied” stories in the span of three days essentially debunked. I hope he doesn’t think he’s out of the woods, though: Having built a new narrative that Carson’s a serial liar about his past, the media’s not going to discard it just because one or two bits of evidence don’t check out. They’re going to try to build this jenga tower faster than he can pull pieces from the bottom:

The day after Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was killed in 1968, Ben Carson’s black classmates unleashed their anger and grief on white students who were a minority at Detroit’s Southwestern High.

Mr. Carson, then a junior with a key to a biology lab where he worked part time, told The Wall Street Journal last month that he protected a few white students from the attacks by hiding them there.

It is a dramatic account of courage and kindness, and it couldn’t be confirmed in interviews with a half-dozen of Mr. Carson’s classmates and his high school physics teacher. The students all remembered the riot. None recalled hearing about white students hiding in the biology lab, and Mr. Carson couldn’t remember any names of those he sheltered…

Last month, Mr. Carson said in a radio interview that, as a young doctor, he had a gun stuck in his ribs at a Popeye’s restaurant in Baltimore near Johns Hopkins University. “A guy comes in and puts a gun in my ribs. And I just said, ‘I believe that you want the guy behind the counter,’” Mr. Carson said. “He said, ‘Oh, okay.’” The Baltimore Police Department later said it couldn’t find a report matching the incident Mr. Carson described.

Don’t forget his answer about Mannatech at the debate either, claiming to have had no involvement with the company even though he appeared in videos they produced and praised them. (“The wonderful thing about a company like Mannatech is that they recognize that when God made us, He gave us the right fuel.”) I think the two botched hits on him over the stabbing and West Point are going to deafen voters’ ears to other allegations, though, especially with Carson shrewdly attacking the media this week as being out to get him because they’re “secular progressives” and feel threatened by him. No other Republican candidate will dare hit him on this for fear of being seen as an ally of the media — except Trump, who thinks he can get away with it because (a) he’s even more of a media-bashing outsider than Carson is and (b) he gets away with everything. Is he right about that? Watch the clip below, via Raw Story, of him commenting on Carson yesterday on “State of the Union.” Interestingly, he doesn’t push too hard on the claim that Carson’s a liar; maybe even Trump is anxious about backing up Politico with Republicans as angry as they are. Instead he hits Carson for having some sort of “pathological disease” that spurred him to behave violently in his youth. That’ll work on Iowans, no?

Exit quotation from Carson, replying to Trump: “What does it say about people who immediately jump on the bandwagon when they hear something bad rather than waiting and finding out what the truth is?… I would not be anxious to have a Commander-in-Chief who acts like that.”


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Why doesn’t someone test the belt buckle / knife theory. Get a belt buckle around a heavy dummy, and a hundred different knives. Stab away with all of them. I’ll bet NONE of the knives break, and that all slide off the buckle into the “flesh.”

anotherJoe on November 9, 2015 at 11:27 AM

I’m totally in favor of MSM reporters testing this theory as long as they do A LOT of replications of the experiment.

PackerBronco on November 9, 2015 at 11:45 AM

What first got my attention about the stabbing story is the extreme unlikelihood that the knife blade would break.

Further, the idea that Carson would stab a very low blow at the groin when he was aiming for the stomach is another implausibility. It doesn’t add up. At least it’s highly unlikely, and add that to all the other stories in Carson’s books that are suspect, and it becomes even more doubtful. Honesty counts. To employers that’s considered perhaps the number 1 question, and we the people in a sense would be the “employers” of Carson as president.

They way they portrayed the stabbing in his movie it looks almost like “an act of God” intervened to break the blade. Now, if you want to believe that, fine, but remember that Carson has made millions of dollars and garnered untold fame on the idea that he is some sort of great religious figure … who actually walked hand in hand with Jesus who has returned to earth, at least that’s what several paintings on Carson’s home walls portray.

So, to begin with, the story of the stabbing as described by Carson doesn’t seem plausible. That’s the first thing. Then CNN goes back and finds not a single soul that says Carson had that type of character that would go around clubbing people; indeed, ALL the people said Carson … was just like he is today, quiet and reserved, before his “religious transformation” or redemption that led to Carson’s runaway book sales.

Believe me, if someone had that type of crazy uncontrolled impulsivity of stabbing and punching faces with bolt locks he would have ended up in jail or worse, not a neurosurgeon and presidential candidate and multi-millionaire.

anotherJoe on November 9, 2015 at 12:14 PM

No, it’s not. I have been in awe for a few days at how many here are now Dr. Carsonites.

It’s one thing to discredit Politico but another entirely to talk about this for days, with such verve and passion. To watch good fossten was the most ‘fun’.

Schadenfreude on November 9, 2015 at 12:06 PM

I don’t try to speak for others, but most of us defending Carson are doing so regardless of his political views. Carson may not be conservative, but he’s still right-of-center and he’s yet another black Republican who’s having to deal with personal destruction at the hands of the Democrats’ biggest Super PAC.

If people on our side are passionate, it’s only because we realize that whatever happens this early in the primaries will be nothing compared to the general election. The media will drag the decaying whale carrion across the finish line, if it has to do.

And, I like you too Aizen :)

Schadenfreude on November 9, 2015 at 12:06 PM

Cool. :)

Aizen on November 9, 2015 at 12:14 PM

“I built them K….Cause I like triangles…” – Zaphenath-paneah

workingclass artist on November 9, 2015 at 12:14 PM

anxious
adjective anx·ious \ˈaŋ(k)-shəs\

3: ardently or earnestly wishing

jaime on November 9, 2015 at 12:14 PM

Fenris on November 9, 2015 at 11:57 AM

Thomas not only fought back, he did it with such class (according to my parents, anyway; I was too young to remember).

Aizen on November 9, 2015 at 12:03 PM

The really absurd thing was she followed him around to all these jobs, and then suddenly she has all these vulgar stories about him. You can find a few clips on the internet, even though youtube didn’t exist.

Fenris on November 9, 2015 at 12:14 PM

Postscript: believe that the government orchestrated the attack on the twin towers is also common, but that doesn’t prevent it from being gobsmackingly stupid. Thousands of people using a munitions factory as a bomb shelter doesn’t make it a safer place to hide.

Immolate on November 9, 2015 at 12:15 PM

the GOPe will stab us in the back,

and Carson will stab us in the front.

Senator Philip Bluster on November 9, 2015 at 12:00 PM

Just wear your Trump™ brand oversized rodeo belt buckle.

In stores now.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on November 9, 2015 at 12:16 PM

anxious
adjective anx·ious \ˈaŋ(k)-shəs\

3: ardently or earnestly wishing

jaime on November 9, 2015 at 12:14 PM

So, jaime, it was proper use?

Bmore on November 9, 2015 at 12:16 PM

his positions on stuff are worth more paper than this crap

dmacleo on November 9, 2015 at 12:16 PM

I am surprised none here that would normally help me with grammar, spelling etc. responded. That means you Schadenfreude. ; )

Bmore on November 9, 2015 at 12:11 PM

I only hit the Rubiolito Benedictos and those who claim to be smarter than they are :) You’ve always owned up to this.

Schadenfreude on November 9, 2015 at 12:17 PM

Schadenfreude on November 9, 2015 at 12:17 PM

Lolz! I have gotten a wee bit better over time. ; )

Bmore on November 9, 2015 at 12:19 PM

Many thanks to all for that. ; )

Bmore on November 9, 2015 at 12:19 PM

“We should of course allow them [illegals] to have a pathway to citizenship. That’s the only humane and reasonable thing to do.” -Ben Carson

“We continue to harass and deport many individuals who are simply seeking a better life for themselves and their families.” -Ben Carson, http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Ben_Carson_Immigration.htm

“If we get rid of all these individuals [illegals] [and pay a higher wage] Instead of you paying $1.50 for a tomato, you may be paying $3 or $4 for a tomato. Are you willing to do that?” -Ben Carson, Sept 2015. See video of Carson on Greata saying that bs: http://toprightnews.com/ben-carson-we-need-illegal-aliens-to-do-the-jobs-americans-wont-do/

anotherJoe on November 9, 2015 at 11:44 AM

This is what I care about…not his childhood stories.

bazil9 on November 9, 2015 at 11:54 AM

Carson’s immigration policy is a serious issue. His squishiness on Second Amendment rights is at least a red flag. His support for the TPP is probably exaggerated by some, but it’s a serious issue.

Stories from his childhood that can’t be directly confirmed are no big deal. They will only become important if Carson can be absolutely proven to be lying. And that takes more than mis-remembering a minor detail or two.

Personal theories about pyramids and their real purpose don’t even rise to that level.

There Goes the Neighborhood on November 9, 2015 at 12:20 PM

Fenris on November 9, 2015 at 12:14 PM

Thanks for that. My folks have showed me some of them over the years. :)

Aizen on November 9, 2015 at 12:20 PM

The “famed Egyptologist”, in the same article, wants you to know that the Biblical narrative of Exodus is FALSE. Those Jews had nothing to do with it …

Joseph K on November 9, 2015 at 11:48 AM

Most Biblical scholars think the Exodus story was invented during the Babylonian Captivity, with the Egyptians standing in for the Babylonians.

The Egyptians kept good records, and they had no record of the events depicted in Exodus (plagues, disasters, mass death, a huge exodus of slaves, the death of a pharaoh during pursuit of the slaves, etc.).

The story is the wish-fulfillment fantasy of a captive people, with the events safely set in the distant past so as not to antagonize their Babylonian masters.

sauropod on November 9, 2015 at 12:20 PM

Mark R. Levin [email protected] 22h22 hours ago

Did Trump pile on Carson by regurgitating Politico’s hit piece? http://fb.me/2uOGcqiBr

cdog0613 on November 9, 2015 at 12:24 PM

So, jaime, it was proper use?

Bmore on November 9, 2015 at 12:16 PM

Yes, as far as I can tell. I’m no expert, though.

jaime on November 9, 2015 at 12:26 PM

So, jaime, it was proper use?

Bmore on November 9, 2015 at 12:16 PM

Anxious-impatiently anticipating and anxious-worried about are both proper use. It’s strange use in the context of “would not be anxious to have” though. Eager would be a better choice because it’s not bipolar and doesn’t become confusing when used to express a complex idea. If you’re going to reverse the polarity of a word (not anxious), make it a word that isn’t ambiguous in its meaning.

Immolate on November 9, 2015 at 12:26 PM

That video there is why I think Trump is probably the wrong guy for the job. Two lies debunked and he’s throwing in with the media by attacking Carson with leftist lies anyway.

jawkneemusic on November 9, 2015 at 12:28 PM

Yes, that’s pretty blatant. There isn’t room for misunderstanding that; Carson fabricated the story.
Ed Morrissey

Here’s a reflection JUST for you, Ed:

“Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.” – Exodus 20:16

“These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood…” – Proverbs 6:16

“Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord…” – Proverbs 12:22

fossten on November 8, 2015 at 1:27 PM

That’s pretty good.

TheMadHessian on November 9, 2015 at 12:28 PM

I feel like you’re trying to disqualify the Egyptologist that I just stipulated wasn’t necessary to find Carson’s pyramids as grain silo’s story to be incredible. I am a Bible believer, and where the Bible is factual in its presentation, I believe it to be fact. When the Bible is metaphorical in its presentation, I believe to to be a metaphor. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that the Jews built the pyramids or that Joseph had them built to store grain, either factually or metaphorically.

Immolate on November 9, 2015 at 12:10 PM

I am trying to disqualify this “Egyptologist”, and those who would go to him as the “expert” who “proves” that the pyramids were used as tombs.

He is a Jew hater. See the quotes I posted above.

There is no proof that the pyramids were built as tombs. That is a schoolboy theory, and the issue is hardly settled.

The “grain theory” is implausible, but commonplace. The theory has been around for over a 1000 years. I don’t believe it, but I really don’t care whether Dr. Carson believes it. It doesn’t matter.

I am more concerned that, for example, Carly Fiorina believes that global warming is true, although she fudges the issue when discussing it. That has real world consequences.

Joseph K on November 9, 2015 at 12:30 PM

So, along with Politico’s West Point fiasco, that’s two popular “Carson lied” stories in the span of three days essentially debunked.

It doesn’t matter that they were factually ‘debunked’. They’re out there and still be talked about as examples of dishonesty on the part of Carson. The facts no longer matter. The media smells blood in the water and are trying to close in for the kill.

bettercallputin on November 9, 2015 at 12:31 PM

Most Biblical scholars think the Exodus story was invented during the Babylonian Captivity, with the Egyptians standing in for the Babylonians.

sauropod on November 9, 2015 at 12:20 PM

Most climate scientists think that telling people that anthropological global warming is an existential threat to human civilization is A-OK. And that’s an actual science.

Biblical scholars long ago figure out that there’s no percentage in proving the Bible, and it won’t get you invited to any of the cool-kid parties. Based on Revelation 22:18-19, I don’t think they will enjoy the fruits of their labor though.

Immolate on November 9, 2015 at 12:33 PM

Most Biblical scholars think the Exodus story was invented during the Babylonian Captivity, with the Egyptians standing in for the Babylonians.

The Egyptians kept good records, and they had no record of the events depicted in Exodus (plagues, disasters, mass death, a huge exodus of slaves, the death of a pharaoh during pursuit of the slaves, etc.).

The story is the wish-fulfillment fantasy of a captive people, with the events safely set in the distant past so as not to antagonize their Babylonian masters.

sauropod on November 9, 2015 at 12:20 PM

Don’t tell me…you believe, along with that rational, scientific genius Richard Dawkins that aliens engineered life on this planet?

Joseph K on November 9, 2015 at 12:40 PM

jaime on November 9, 2015 at 12:26 PM

Looks to be okay. Though not the best choice.

Immolate on November 9, 2015 at 12:26 PM

I have a dear friend who is a linguistics expert. Due to the use of the word being a pet peeve of his, it caught my eye. Again. Thanks. I would have called him to ask, he is in a nursing home now so I chose not to bother him. I could have though. He is still sharp as they come. ; )

Bmore on November 9, 2015 at 12:40 PM

There is no proof that the pyramids were built as tombs. That is a schoolboy theory, and the issue is hardly settled.

Joseph K on November 9, 2015 at 12:30 PM

I am not sufficiently educated in Egyptology or archaeology to have an intelligent opinion on the controversiality of the pyramids’ use as tombs. I am, however, able to look at maps of the inside of the pyramids that clearly demonstrate that they were not built to store anything bulky.

Seal a huge building against bugs and rats? Good luck with that. What the Egyptians needed to seal, they sealed in jars and vases.

Immolate on November 9, 2015 at 12:41 PM

PAGING DONALD TRUMP’S CAMPAIGN:

A poster here at HotAir, anotherjoe, is doing a great job of pointing out the policy differences between Carson and Trump. This is information that I would love to hear Trump talking about rather than his poll numbers.

Here is one of anotherjoe’s latest comment that would be good fodder for Trump:

The biggest deal is not whether Carson is a serial or pathological liar, but his leftist views, especially on the critical, and I mean critical, issue of immigration.

A Pew poll showed over 90% of Republican voters disagree with Paul Ryan’s views on immigration, but Paul Ryan and Carson totally agree. Imagine if Carson became president with Ryan as speaker, they would go to town on passing amnesty and expanded cheap labor * third world immigration bills:

“We should of course allow them [illegals] to have a pathway to citizenship. That’s the only humane and reasonable thing to do.” -Ben Carson

“We continue to harass and deport many individuals who are simply seeking a better life for themselves and their families.” -Ben Carson, http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Ben_Carson_Immigration.htm

“If we get rid of all these individuals [illegals] [and pay a higher wage] Instead of you paying $1.50 for a tomato, you may be paying $3 or $4 for a tomato. Are you willing to do that?” -Ben Carson, Sept 2015. See video of Carson on Greata saying that bs: http://toprightnews.com/ben-carson-we-need-illegal-aliens-to-do-the-jobs-americans-wont-do/

anotherJoe on November 9, 2015 at 11:44 AM

TeleL on November 9, 2015 at 12:44 PM

So you Trump thugs are mad at their idol for falling in line with Politico but not angry enough to see that their idol is unfit for office?

Happy Nomad on November 9, 2015 at 11:43 AM

It’s difficult to answer an incomprehensible post, but I’ll try, substituting “your” for “their”, which is what I think you meant.

Answer: yes.

Joseph K on November 9, 2015 at 12:44 PM

It’s just rich hearing Trump talk about someone else being “pathological”.

Tater Salad on November 9, 2015 at 12:47 PM

The “grain theory” is implausible, but commonplace. The theory has been around for over a 1000 years. I don’t believe it, but I really don’t care whether Dr. Carson believes it. It doesn’t matter.

I am more concerned that, for example, Carly Fiorina believes that global warming is true, although she fudges the issue when discussing it. That has real world consequences.

Joseph K on November 9, 2015 at 12:30 PM

I think the key point about Carson’s pyramid theory is that Carson has a proclivity to subscribe to arguably nutty or way out of the mainstream ideas. If it was just an isolated case from Ben “The End is Near” Carson it wouldn’t be as big a deal.

As far as global warming, Carson himself appears to take both sides of that issue like he does with many issues:

Ben Carson on wanting a 30% Ethanol Standard:

In Iowa, speaking about renewable energy, he began with a classic conservative talking point, before veering into liberal territory.

“I don’t particularly like the idea of government subsidies for anything because it interferes with the natural free market,” he began, according to The Des Moines Register. “Therefore, I would probably be in favor of taking that $4 billion a year we spend on oil subsidies and using that in new fueling stations” for 30% ethanol blends, he said, arguing gas prices would drop and the environment would benefit. [“the environment would benefit” … in what way? this is climate change claptrap from Ben Carson as the only way the environment would benefit is if you believed the leftists on climate change, but even then it’s doubtful that there would be any benefit at all from the expensive corn subsidies to force alcohol into our gas]

Carson’s proposed subsidies are far larger than anything that’s been put on the table to date…

anotherJoe on November 9, 2015 at 12:48 PM

Most Biblical scholars think the Exodus story was invented during the Babylonian Captivity, with the Egyptians standing in for the Babylonians.

Some do, some don’t. Many Biblical scholars believe the flood of Noah was borrowed wholesale from the Epic of Gilgamesh. They believe this to be true primarily because the Epic of Gilgamesh dates back to before the time of Moses.

And yet, if you believe that Moses wrote Genesis, he would almost certainly have relied on either a record or an oral tradition from earlier, and absolutely no one knows how old that might be.

The bottom line is that the theory that the flood of Noah was copied from the Epic of Gilgamesh is an unproven theory. The theory that the Pentateuch was actually written during the Babylonian captivity is also an unproven theory. The number of Biblical scholars who support the theory is irrelevant, given that there is not enough evidence to prove the theory correct.

The Egyptians kept good records, and they had no record of the events depicted in Exodus (plagues, disasters, mass death, a huge exodus of slaves, the death of a pharaoh during pursuit of the slaves, etc.).

That only proves something if you can establish that a) none of those records were lost, and b) the records existing were never whitewashed.

Since the events make both the pharaoh of Egypt and the gods of Egypt look weak, and the records were kept mainly by the state, there would be a tremendous incentive to gloss over details.

The story is the wish-fulfillment fantasy of a captive people, with the events safely set in the distant past so as not to antagonize their Babylonian masters.

sauropod on November 9, 2015 at 12:20 PM

Or not. You’re jumping from a popular theory to an assertion of fact.

Regardless, the Bible never claims that Joseph built the pyramids, so discussions of the reliability of Exodus are beside the point.

There Goes the Neighborhood on November 9, 2015 at 12:51 PM

I am not sufficiently educated in Egyptology or archaeology to have an intelligent opinion on the controversiality of the pyramids’ use as tombs. I am, however, able to look at maps of the inside of the pyramids that clearly demonstrate that they were not built to store anything bulky.

Seal a huge building against bugs and rats? Good luck with that. What the Egyptians needed to seal, they sealed in jars and vases.

Immolate on November 9, 2015 at 12:41 PM

I don’t have an argument with you. Why do you keep missing the part where I state that I find Dr. Carson’s theory implausible?

My point is that the theory is not UNUSUAL, that it is COMMONPLACE (as even the “famed Egyptologist” admits), and that the theory that the tombs were built as tombs is just that, a theory, and not proven.

One can state, as I do, that Dr. Carson’s theory is implausible, or go further, as you do, and state that it is silly. But one cannot hold up the “tomb” theory as fact, and as proof that Dr. Carson’s theory is false, and that he is a lunatic for holding it. That’s just the Leftist “Party of Science” crowd using their bullying tactics to discredit a Christian. It’s not science, and it’s not right.

50 years ago Dr. Greta Hort came up with a highly ingenious rational explanation for the plagues. It’s not accepted by “most” Egyptologists, and there are issues, but the theory is plausible. Who knows, it might be true.

I am not a Biblical literalist, or even much of a Christian. But I am not going to put up with this “Party of Science” bullying from that crowd of dopes. My local priest has a better grounding in science that those apes.

Joseph K on November 9, 2015 at 12:53 PM

Ben Carson’s mother: ‘Ben was quite the little thug.’

Not exactly a big selling point.

Pork-Chop on November 9, 2015 at 12:54 PM

Carson’s proposed subsidies are far larger than anything that’s been put on the table to date…

anotherJoe on November 9, 2015 at 12:48 PM

Carson is a mess on the issues, and that is what I want to discuss. You are doing a great job of bringing these issues to our attention.

Joseph K on November 9, 2015 at 12:56 PM

Carson is a mess on the issues, and that is what I want to discuss. You are doing a great job of bringing these issues to our attention.

Joseph K on November 9, 2015 at 12:56 PM

I’m putting them to good use.

Schadenfreude on November 9, 2015 at 1:00 PM

A poster here at HotAir, anotherjoe, is doing a great job of pointing out the policy differences between Carson and Trump. This is information that I would love to hear Trump talking about rather than his poll numbers.

TeleL on November 9, 2015 at 12:44 PM

Thanks again TeleL!

Trump has actually noted how weak Carson is on immigration, but I don’t thinks those comments have gotten top billing as all this other more sensational stuff on Carson possibly lying about stabbing and clubbing people has eclipsed all else.

Another point Trump could bring up is Carson’s bizarre affinity for praising socialism, which is bad enough as a supposed Democrat but as a “Republican”?

“It is possible to extract socialism’s positive aspects and actually implement them within capitalism.” -Ben Carson, 2011

Carson 2 weeks ago reconfirmed (did NOT disavow) his believe in … socialism. Yeah, socialism, see it yourself (ABC interview): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VREQ_5VzVWk

Weird that Carson is also advocating statehood for Puerto Rico. That is definitely another hard-left position of Carson that would tip the balance of power in congress to the Democrats. This position makes no sense from a Republican point of view. (But neither does amnesty which Carson is all for.) http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/island-rally-ben-carson-says-puerto-rico-should-be-51st-n459461 video at link

anotherJoe on November 9, 2015 at 1:03 PM

anotherJoe: Yes, Trump says Carson and others are weak on immigration. But that is a conclusory statement. Trump should give us examples of why he believes Carson is weak on immigration — then we can make up our own minds on who is weak on immigration and who isn’t.

TeleL on November 9, 2015 at 1:09 PM

Ben Carson’s mother: ‘Ben was quite the little thug.’
Not exactly a big selling point.

Pork-Chop. Nov 09, 2015 at 12:54 pm

Lol! Exactly — in what world does hitting your mother with a hammer and attempting to stab your friend/cousin make you more qualified to be president.

cam2 on November 9, 2015 at 1:10 PM

As you Trumpers and Benjamites go all Mortal Combat on each other, just keep in mind that either might be the last man standing when the primary is settled. Leave yourselves some ideological room to vote for the other guy’s guy, should that come to pass. You’d be a fool to say that either would be less than excellent compared to Hillary Clinton. Take it from a Cruz supporter who would vote for either Trump or Carson, should they win the primary.

Immolate on November 9, 2015 at 1:12 PM

Lol! Exactly — in what world does hitting your mother with a hammer and attempting to stab your friend/cousin make you more qualified to be president.

cam2 on November 9, 2015 at 1:10 PM

When your statements to that effect are not proven to be lies, you are more qualified to be president.

Immolate on November 9, 2015 at 1:14 PM

Immolate on November 9, 2015 at 1:12 PM

I vote for any that is not GOPe, prefer Trump

djohn669 on November 9, 2015 at 1:15 PM

Joseph K on November 9, 2015 at 12:56 PM

Thanks Joe. I still remember your comment that changed me from a strong to a super-strong supporter of Trump. Before reading your comment I was thinking that I supported Trump despite his views on trade, but that changed with this:

Before “free trade”, Mexico used to subsidize their agricultural sector. The American agricultural sector didn’t like that, because it made our agricultural products “uncompetitive”.

As part of the “free trade” deal Mexico gave up the subsidies. Its agricultural sector, of course, collapsed, and we started exporting more agricultural products to Mexico. Big win, right?

Except all those displaced farm workers have to go someplace to make a living. Guess where they go?

Joseph K on June 29, 2015 at 8:53 PM

And btw, Trump says he is a free trader, he just wants fair trade. And trade with China? It doesn’t make any sense to have lopsided unfair trade to the tune of a $450 billion dollar annual trade deficit that strengthens our potential future military foe China.

On Mexico, your point was further confirmed, from my previous comment:

On Don Lemon last night they had the former Apprentice contestant Raj Peter Bhakta on. Bhahkta does not like Trump’s immigration plan. Essentially he was saying that building walls and keeping people out is not nice. So, I wasn’t that impressed.

But then … … Bhakta said something noteworthy.

Bhakta talked about how the failure of the agricultural sector in Mexico has led to huge numbers of former agricultural workers in Mexico migrating to America illegally, and he says NAFTA is to blame.

anotherJoe on November 9, 2015 at 1:18 PM

TeleL on November 9, 2015 at 12:44 PM

you realize that anotherjoe is a Trump employee.

gerrym51 on November 9, 2015 at 1:25 PM

I’m sorry, but any candidate that advocates for both amnesty and the TPP should not even be considered for the nomination for the Republican party ticket.

And Ben Carson is worse than that.

NWConservative on November 9, 2015 at 1:33 PM

anotherJoe: Yes, Trump says Carson and others are weak on immigration. But that is a conclusory statement. Trump should give us examples of why he believes Carson is weak on immigration — then we can make up our own minds on who is weak on immigration and who isn’t.

TeleL on November 9, 2015 at 1:09 PM

Yes. And honestly in September Trump had the opportunity to hammer (no pun intended!) Carson over the head repeatedly on immigration after Carson attacked Trump’s Jeff Session’s approved immigration plan:

Carson: “you know, it sounds really cool, you know, ‘let’s just round them all up and send them back, you know, but people who say that have no idea what that would entail in terms of the costs.” Of course that’s baloney!

A key point is that Carson used the liberal scare-phrase “round them all up.” Bogus, and that shows Carson’s liberal mindset, left over from his days where he was a self-described “rabid left-wing Democrat.”

Anyway, Trump could have hit Carson hard on immigration at that point, but for some reason Trump wimped out and barely responded, preferring to emphasize how “nice” Carson is.
~
A little off topic, but related to Jeff Sessions, is this article:

Chuck Schumer: Senator Marco Rubio Is “Totally Committed To Obama’s Immigration Agenda”….

I love the way at the bottom of the above article they say:

The Antidote ! … [and there’s a picture with Jeff Sessions and Trump together]

anotherJoe on November 9, 2015 at 1:36 PM

TeleL on November 9, 2015 at 12:44 PM

you realize that anotherjoe is a Trump employee.

gerrym51 on November 9, 2015 at 1:25 PM

I wondered about that. If so, Joe, you need to tell the Donald to STFU about his poll numbers and start talking about your posts. Trump is squandering all his media attention on small potatoes.

TeleL on November 9, 2015 at 1:36 PM

go to Carson’s webpage. you will find 10 issues HE considers important.

not one word about immigration, cuz he does NOT want the voters to know his squishy amnesty positions.

and the fact that he SUPPORTS TPP is another example of how he is a GOPe type cheap labor pusher.

he is simpatico with the Rubio-types, the amnesty pushing, replace-American-worker types.

Senator Philip Bluster on November 9, 2015 at 1:37 PM

How about the media question Hillary on why she lied to the slain men/soldiers of Benghazi when she told them it was because of a video, or how about how she lied to us the public for 12 days claiming it was because of a video, or hey how about how she lied under oath to congress??? I’m fed up with the media lynching republicans/conservatives…

soapyjeans on November 9, 2015 at 1:41 PM

Exit quotation from Carson, replying to Trump: “What does it say about people who immediately jump on the bandwagon when they hear something bad rather than waiting and finding out what the truth is?… I would not be anxious to have a Commander-in-Chief who acts like that.”

Seems to me that we already have one.

We don’t need another.

s1im on November 9, 2015 at 1:43 PM

anotherJoe on November 9, 2015 at 1:36 PM

I think he’s been attacking him at his greatest perceived strength, his character. That is all Carson has, the perception his low info supporters have of him. You break that down and they scatter.

The polling definitely shows that Carson’s supporters are only loosely attached to him and if they doubt the media creation he’s put together, then he looses money for more book deals, and donations to keep his lavish spending on him and his consultants continuing.

NWConservative on November 9, 2015 at 1:44 PM

So, along with Politico’s West Point fiasco, that’s two popular “Carson lied” stories in the span of three days essentially debunked.

His mother confirms, well there’s undeniable e proof right there.

rjl1999 on November 9, 2015 at 1:45 PM

9! 9! 9!

equanimous on November 9, 2015 at 1:46 PM

Ben Carson Pledges to Advocate Statehood for Puerto Rico…

Breitbart news

some “conservative” eh?

Senator Philip Bluster on November 9, 2015 at 1:48 PM

9! 9! 9!

equanimous on November 9, 2015 at 1:46 PM

if we add Carson to Rubio’s gang of 8…

we get the gang of 9

Senator Philip Bluster on November 9, 2015 at 1:51 PM


It doesn’t even matter if it was true or not.
Either “born in Kenya” was a lie,
or “born in Hawaii” is a lie.

Either way, he is a liar.

ITguy on November 9, 2015 at 11:31 AM

You left out the most important part. He’s a liberal so lying is OK with the media and his base.

#conservativeliesmatter

Oxymoron on November 9, 2015 at 1:56 PM

carson sux

GO TRUMP GO!

Pragmatic on November 9, 2015 at 1:56 PM

999 Herman Cain?

justonevictory on November 9, 2015 at 1:56 PM

lets see- Ben Carson said this weekend it was a family member not a classmate.

Ben’s mother said it was a classmate.

?murky

gerrym51 on November 9, 2015 at 1:56 PM

you realize that anotherjoe is a Trump employee.

gerrym51 on November 9, 2015 at 1:25 PM

I wish I were. Maybe I’ll apply!

I think he’s been attacking him at his greatest perceived strength, his character. That is all Carson has, the perception his low info supporters have of him. You break that down and they scatter.

NWConservative on November 9, 2015 at 1:44 PM

Right. But also even with the most impeccable character in the world, even if Carson had actually walked with Jesus in stellar magnificence, Carson’s just keeps going left on so many issues that I don’t see how you reconcile that with being a Republican. Perhaps the Carson supporters are low information voters.

Here’s something from September that seems totally off:

After a meeting with BlackLivesMatters representatives, and despite the evidence and the Grand Jury supporting the cop’s story, Ben Carson said that the Ferguson cop should NOT have shot Michael Brown: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/09/ben_carsons_strange_answer.html

Or this, Carson’s entanglements with Al Sharpton and other dubious leftist is chronicled here: http://www.newswithviews.com/Nelson/kelleigh251.htm

anotherJoe on November 9, 2015 at 1:58 PM

“Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the Right Here I am Stuck in the Middle With you”…..so says?

justonevictory on November 9, 2015 at 1:58 PM

if we add Carson to Rubio’s gang of 8…

we get the gang of 9

Senator Philip Bluster on November 9, 2015 at 1:51 PM

And Puerto Rico!

¡El Carzon! *blink, blink, blink* se puede *blink*

de rigueur on November 9, 2015 at 1:59 PM

anotherJoe on November 9, 2015 at 1:58 PM

you always deny it-lol Mr.Trump is proud

gerrym51 on November 9, 2015 at 2:03 PM

you realize that anotherjoe is a Trump employee.

gerrym51 on November 9, 2015 at 1:25 PM

You realize that gerrym51 is a Rubio campaign operative planted to insinuate that anotherjoe is a Trump employee.

Saaayyy, this is fun!

de rigueur on November 9, 2015 at 2:04 PM

He may have had a murderous temper, but darn it, the man’s not a liar.

That’s funny AP. Excellent writing as always.

SpongePuppy on November 9, 2015 at 2:17 PM

de rigueur on November 9, 2015 at 2:04 PM

Have
you read any of my posts? i’m for Trump.

However i don’t work for him. anotherjoe does-lol

gerrym51 on November 9, 2015 at 2:19 PM

So his own mother ‘confirms’ that as a teenager he was a psychopath and now he in effect brags about it. The main question now is, has he changed his DNA?

VorDaj on November 9, 2015 at 2:24 PM

couldn’t be confirmed in interviews with a half-dozen of Mr. Carson’s classmates

Well, media, you sold me.

It must be a lie if you found 6 out of, say 1500-4000 (I dont know how big his school was) of people who went to school with him who had no recollection of an event from 50 years ago.

In fact, I like this burden of proof.

I couldn’t confirm, after interviewing a half dozen people from Nevada, that Harry Reid is not a pederast.

And Harry Reid is lying if he says he does not kidnap and rape young boys.

See how easy this is?

Timin203 on November 9, 2015 at 2:35 PM

anotherjoe does-lol

gerrym51 on November 9, 2015 at 2:19 PM

I think you mean well.

ben’s stuff gets murkier

http://www.mediaite.com/online/why-has-ben-carson-repeatedly-claimed-he-was-sued-for-paternity-years-ago/

gerrym51 on November 9, 2015 at 2:01 PM

From the link:

I ran across a clip that’s on point with this issue. At a commencement speech in 2003, Carson told the crowd that he had been sued for paternity by a Florida woman who claimed to have given birth to his love child.
~
This is odd as it’s possibly another case of Carson alleging his own possible wrongdoing but there doesn’t seem to be any evidence of the Florida case against him, from what the article suggests. But since 2003 Carson himself has for some reason repeatedly brought up this supposed paternity suit against him.

anotherJoe on November 9, 2015 at 2:40 PM

There’s an attempt to make this all about Trump vs. Carson, but who were the people initially celebrating when this story leaked?

Rubio supporters.

Carson and Trump attacking each other benefits Rubio and the GOPe.

Redstone on November 9, 2015 at 2:40 PM

Thank heavens he actually did try to kill some people over completely trivial reasons.

V7_Sport on November 9, 2015 at 3:12 PM

Have
you read any of my posts? i’m for Trump.

However i don’t work for him. anotherjoe does-lol

gerrym51 on November 9, 2015 at 2:19 PM

So you say. :)

de rigueur on November 9, 2015 at 3:35 PM

Jesus H. Christ on a stick. This is exactly what’s gone t*ts up for the country. A man with a dubious past works hard, becomes a f*cking brain surgeon, highly regarded no less, and decides to run for president and this is what happens?

No, let’s not celebrate “the American dream”. Let’s watch our betters bicker over semantics.

And morons like Rick Wilson just can’t figure out why Trump is appealing and why no one cares whether he’s conservative or not.

kim roy on November 9, 2015 at 3:41 PM

kim roy on November 9, 2015 at 3:41 PM

He didn’t build that.

Cindy Munford on November 9, 2015 at 3:47 PM

To re-establish his credibility, Carson should stab a liberal moderator during one of the debates.
Or perhaps beat them to within an inch of their lives with a hammer.

justltl on November 9, 2015 at 3:55 PM

In fact, if he stabbed them in the head or gave them a nice epidural hematoma with a hammer and then fixed them up brain surgery-wise, that would be most excellent.

justltl on November 9, 2015 at 3:58 PM

In fact, if he stabbed them in the head or gave them a nice epidural hematoma with a hammer and then fixed them up brain surgery-wise, that would be most excellent.

justltl on November 9, 2015 at 3:58 PM

And then memorialize the surgery by having a painting commissioned to hang in your mansion showing Jesus standing next to Carson in the OR with his hand on Carson’s shoulder. Most excellent indeed!

TeleL on November 9, 2015 at 4:25 PM

And then memorialize the surgery by having a painting commissioned to hang in your mansion showing Jesus standing next to Carson in the OR with his hand on Carson’s shoulder. Most excellent indeed!

TeleL on November 9, 2015 at 4:25 PM

And when the Media make a fuss, accuse them of being shills for Obamacare. And racists.

justltl on November 9, 2015 at 5:10 PM

They’re going to try to build this jenga tower faster than he can pull pieces from the bottom:

Great imagery, AP.
It’s what they do to every REpublican and Conservative candidate.

AesopFan on November 9, 2015 at 5:30 PM

Carson might be a great guy. He might be qualified to b president.
He might even have enough money to buy the office without trickery and treachery.

There’s just no way the other 99.9 % of the racist sobs in the African American community can be allowed to have another black in the White House.

That can’t handle the one with anything resembling grace or character.

papertiger on November 9, 2015 at 6:54 PM

I bet there’s a sizable portion of democrats who think Denzel Washington won the Civil War single handedly, despite Matthew Broderick’s leadership.

papertiger on November 9, 2015 at 7:03 PM

OT?

Trump: Yes to more infrastructure spending, no to Mohammed cartoons

For some good laughs, be sure to read the comments.

ROFL! :D

Anti-ControI on November 9, 2015 at 7:33 PM