Video: Ohio rejects marijuana legalization — with an anti-monopoly twist

posted at 10:01 am on November 4, 2015 by Ed Morrissey

The momentum for marijuana legalization got its mellow harshed in Ohio last night, but don’t stub out the doobie just yet. A majority of Ohioans support legalization, but not a crony-capitalist quasi-monopoly on production. Issue 3’s detractors successfully argued that defeat now was necessary for a true victory down the road, and combined with the sizable anti-legalization constituency, crushed the referendum by a nearly 2:1 margin:

Failure of the proposed state constitutional amendment followed an expensive campaign, a legal fight over its ballot wording, an investigation into petition signatures — and, predominantly, a counter campaign against a network of 10 exclusive growing sites it would have created. It was the only marijuana legalization question on the 2015 statewide ballots.

About 65 percent of voters opposed the measure, compared to 35 percent in favor. …

“Issue 3 was nothing more and nothing less than a business plan to seize control of the recreational marijuana market in Ohio,” Curt Steiner, director of Ohioans Against Marijuana Monopolies, said in election night remarks. “Issue 3 was designed and built primarily to garner massive and exclusive profits for a small group of self-selected wealthy investors.”

In fact, the Ohio legislature was so alarmed by the potential cartel that they placed an anti-monopoly referendum on the ballot, which passed 52/48 and would have blocked some of the provisions in Issue 3 had it passed. The anti-monopoly language is now part of the state constitution, which means any legalization effort in the future has to dump the protected production clauses that crippled its support. The Washington Post’s Christopher Ingraham calls this potentially good news for both sides:

The defeat of the measure is good news for people on both sides of the legalization debate worried about the co-option of the legalization debate by corporate interests — the threat of so-called “Big Marijuana.” In an e-mailed statement, Kevin Sabet of the anti-legalization group Project SAM said “this proves the anti-legalization movement is alive and well. It means that when people understand this is about money – not pot – they are turned off. And since all legalization efforts are essentially about money, you can be sure we’ll be reminding voters in other states about the true intentions of legalization advocates.”

For their part, legalization advocates are hoping to put the Ohio battle behind them and focus on a number of high-profile legalization measures before voters, and possibly state legislatures, next year. “This was about a flawed measure and a campaign that didn’t represent what voters want,” said Tom Angell of Marijuana Majority, a pro-legalization group. “It’s a shame Ohio voters didn’t have the opportunity to consider sensible legalization in 2015. Hopefully it’ll only be another election cycle or two until a more responsible team secures enough funding to put a better initiative on the ballot.”

He added, “Voters won’t tolerate this issue being taken over by greedy special interests. Our ongoing national movement to end marijuana prohibition is focused on civil rights, health and public safety, not profits for small groups of investors.”

It seems doubtful that one setback will kill the momentum that has been building for years for a more permissive approach to marijuana. It might make people look twice at the money that backs legalization in each state, but that’s part of the vetting process of any major referendum.

In other referendum news, the city of Portland, Maine surprisingly rejected the received progressive wisdom on minimum-wage hikes — perhaps after seeing how that progressive policy played out in Seattle:

Portland voters rejected a proposal Tuesday to dramatically increase the minimum wage in the city.

The referendum to raise the wage to $15 an hour, double the statewide minimum of $7.50, was defeated by nearly 58 percent to 42 percent. …

Scott Rousseau, owner of Play It Again Sports in Portland, fought back tears Tuesday night as he expressed his joy over the vote results. Rousseau had campaigned against the increase, saying it would have put him out of business or forced him to cut staff.

“Right now I’m feeling a huge sense of relief for every small business owner in Portland, and everyone who works for me,” he said. “I think it’s great news for the future of our city.”

The city council had already approved a hike from $7.50 to $10.10, effective next year, but the referendum would have doubled the minimum wage. It will still create issues with employers, marginal workers (especially teens), and consumers who choose to shop in the city rather than outside of it. Activists want to head off that possibility by getting a statewide increase in the minimum to $12, which will ease the pressure off of Portland but create an inflationary cycle throughout Maine. Raising labor prices without raising labor value forces employers to either reduce staff (often through automation, as has happened in Seattle) or to raise prices, which erodes buying power for consumers — especially those with the least amount of money.

For the moment, though, Portland acted rationally on employment policy. Enjoy it while it lasts.


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This is a good thing for my area.

Getting stoned will make the Buckeyes even worse drivers!

ConstantineXI on November 4, 2015 at 10:05 AM

A majority of Ohioans support legalization, but not a crony-capitalist quasi-monopoly on production. Issue 3’s detractors successfully argued that defeat now was necessary for a true victory down the road, and combined with the sizable anti-legalization constituency, crushed the referendum by a nearly 2:1 margin

And Hot Air drug warriors told me dope smokers would stop at nothing to legalize. Apparently that was wrong. They weren’t willing to go full-commie.

rhombus on November 4, 2015 at 10:07 AM

One of my neighbors nearby tokes up (illegally) and it makes the whole freakin block smell like a gdamned skunk.

It should be illegal just from the public nuisance aspect.

“Your rights end at my nose” Literally.

Defenestratus on November 4, 2015 at 10:08 AM

I can only conclude that burying an

employment policy

topic in a pothead thread is a conflation due to a “brown haze” somewhere.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on November 4, 2015 at 10:09 AM

I see all these projections of billions of dollars from pot revenue going down the drain when someone starts selling Pot-At-Home kits and then everyone realizes it’s a weed that grows pretty easily in a window.

LoganSix on November 4, 2015 at 10:12 AM

The momentum for marijuana legalization got its mellow harshed in Ohio last night, but don’t stub out the doobie just yet. A majority of Ohioans support legalization, but not a crony-capitalist quasi-monopoly on production. Issue 3’s detractors successfully argued that defeat now was necessary for a true victory down the road, and combined with the sizable anti-legalization constituency, crushed the referendum by a nearly 2:1 margin

Hmm, how can there be that a majority of Ohioans support legalization, but there was a sizable anti-legalization constituency that helped stop it?

Either way, a defeat is a defeat. The Toretto Principle in action.

chrisbolts on November 4, 2015 at 10:13 AM

And Hot Air drug warriors told me dope smokers would stop at nothing to legalize. Apparently that was wrong. They weren’t willing to go full-commie.

rhombus on November 4, 2015 at 10:07 AM

Doesn’t this also undermine the notion that millennials are so motivated by pot legalization ballot initiatives that having them on the ballot will win elections for the Democrats?

ConstantineXI on November 4, 2015 at 10:13 AM

Look at where it has been legalized. This has largely been a disaster:

1) Not curbing drug use, drug use has skyrocketed.
2) Not as much tax money to fund big government as projected, big surprise.
3) The Black Market and drug cartels still exist.
4) Violent crime has skyrocketed since legalization.

Nothing good comes from smoking dope, but the left wants everyone doped up as possible so our right can continue to be stripped away.

nazo311 on November 4, 2015 at 10:13 AM

Raising labor prices without raising labor value forces employers to either reduce staff (often through automation, as has happened in Seattle) or to raise prices, which erodes buying power for consumers — especially those with the least amount of money.

They are trying that same crap here in Kentucky. Louisville already raised their minimum wage and is getting sued for it, Lexington has it on the agenda for next month for the City Council meeting.

Johnnyreb on November 4, 2015 at 10:14 AM

Look at where it has been legalized. This has largely been a disaster:

1) Not curbing drug use, drug use has skyrocketed.

The disastrous Obamaconomy is partly to blame for that as well…

2) Not as much tax money to fund big government as projected, big surprise.

No shock there, has ANY new tax initiative EVER produced as much revenue as predicted? (and has this consistent fact ever stopped governments from going ahead and spending that revenue they will never get ahead of time anyway?)

3) The Black Market and drug cartels still exist.

If anything the Black Market is expanding. To other things besides illegal drugs. It would not surprise me in the least if 90% of all “economic growth” under Obama has been in the black and gray markets, because people are unwilling to accept increased taxes and regulations!

4) Violent crime has skyrocketed since legalization.

A Lawless President that intentionally paralyzes the Economy is going to produce more lawlessness. Crime is rising to levels not seen since Jimmy Carter everywhere because of this. I don’t think legalization of pot has much to do with it actually…

Nothing good comes from smoking dope, but the left wants everyone doped up as possible so our right can continue to be stripped away.

nazo311 on November 4, 2015 at 10:13 AM

A doped up population is easier to control…

ConstantineXI on November 4, 2015 at 10:20 AM

They are trying that same crap here in Kentucky. Louisville already raised their minimum wage and is getting sued for it, Lexington has it on the agenda for next month for the City Council meeting.

Johnnyreb on November 4, 2015 at 10:14 AM

I already won’t set foot in Louisville. If Lexington does the same it will tear the bottom out of what has been up to now a pretty vibrant economy there. Lexington is very much a “new city”, most of it’s growth is post 1970. (prior to 1970 it was smaller than Ashland was then!)

ConstantineXI on November 4, 2015 at 10:22 AM

Colorado does not know what to do with their excess marijuana money.
The tax revenue has exceeded exceptions.

I would vote against this measure too if I was living in Ohio.
There is no point in legalizing weed if I can’t grow my own.

weedisgood on November 4, 2015 at 10:23 AM

Look at where it has been legalized. This has largely been a disaster:

1) Not curbing drug use, drug use has skyrocketed.
2) Not as much tax money to fund big government as projected, big surprise.
3) The Black Market and drug cartels still exist.
4) Violent crime has skyrocketed since legalization.

Nothing good comes from smoking dope, but the left wants everyone doped up as possible so our right can continue to be stripped away.

nazo311 on November 4, 2015 at 10:13 AM

Sources on any of that?

jmarcellais on November 4, 2015 at 10:26 AM

For the moment, though, Portland acted rationally on employment policy. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Oregon, amazing that happened…I am glad I am not a betting man, I would have bet anything that would have passed in Oregon.

right2bright on November 4, 2015 at 10:27 AM

Doesn’t this also undermine the notion that millennials are so motivated by pot legalization ballot initiatives that having them on the ballot will win elections for the Democrats?

ConstantineXI on November 4, 2015 at 10:13 AM

Absolutely.

rhombus on November 4, 2015 at 10:27 AM

Colorado does not know what to do with their excess marijuana money.
The tax revenue has exceeded exceptions.

I would vote against this measure too if I was living in Ohio.
There is no point in legalizing weed if I can’t grow my own.

weedisgood on November 4, 2015 at 10:23 AM


Colorado’s Pot Revenue Goes Up in Smoke

ConstantineXI on November 4, 2015 at 10:27 AM

Look at where it has been legalized. This has largely been a disaster:

1) Not curbing drug use, drug use has skyrocketed.
2) Not as much tax money to fund big government as projected, big surprise.
3) The Black Market and drug cartels still exist.
4) Violent crime has skyrocketed since legalization.

Nothing good comes from smoking dope, but the left wants everyone doped up as possible so our right can continue to be stripped away.

nazo311 on November 4, 2015 at 10:13 AM

Do you have any reputable data to backup up this? Or you are speaking out of your a$$?

weedisgood on November 4, 2015 at 10:28 AM

Sources on any of that?

jmarcellais on November 4, 2015 at 10:26 AM

Undoubtedly the little jacka$$es in his head. But he’s probably Googling furiously now.

rhombus on November 4, 2015 at 10:28 AM

A doped up population is easier to control…

ConstantineXI on November 4, 2015 at 10:20 AM

Actually a chaotic population if what the liberals want.

Chaos creates opportunity for laws, regulations, expansion of government.

And nothing causes chaos like drugs on the street.

That is why they want disenchantment of the public, racial tension, economic tension, a complacent society, one that is growing and robust, has no need for liberal policy.

right2bright on November 4, 2015 at 10:30 AM

Colorado’s Pot Revenue Goes Up in Smoke

ConstantineXI on November 4, 2015 at 10:27 AM

Bull…

From the Denver Business Journal.

Election 2015: Colorado, Denver voters let government keep marijuana tax revenue

http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/news/2015/11/03/election-2015-colorado-denver-voters-decide-pot.html

They don’t know what to do with excess revenue…It’s kind of idiotic to give it back to the government.

weedisgood on November 4, 2015 at 10:31 AM

The local radio station (610 wtvn, has Beck and Rush) invited on advocates for both sides to discuss the issue the day before (as they commonly do). The guy who was pro issue 2 and anti issue 3 (basically anti-monopoly and would’ve been okay with marijuana if it didn’t come with a monopoly) made some good points. The stoners didn’t show up to make their case.

Fenris on November 4, 2015 at 10:31 AM

Well, there is the issue with an increase of children “accidentally” eating pot.

LoganSix on November 4, 2015 at 10:33 AM

Of course that poster had no sources for any of that bc it’s not true. But when has a rightie cared about what’s true? They’re all for state rights and individual freedoms until it comes to people’s choice of drugs. They rather big pharmacy be the only ones getting people high…and the alcohol and tobacco companies which both kill more people than weed every year should be the only legal vices. Duh.

Politricks on November 4, 2015 at 10:33 AM

Colorado does not know what to do with their excess marijuana money.
The tax revenue has exceeded exceptions.

I would vote against this measure too if I was living in Ohio.
There is no point in legalizing weed if I can’t grow my own.

weedisgood on November 4, 2015 at 10:23 AM

The point of legalizing weed even if you are growing it yourself is so that the police can bust down your door and send you to prison for growing. It’s not about the money, it’s about freedom.

jmarcellais on November 4, 2015 at 10:34 AM

weedisgood on November 4, 2015 at 10:23 AM

Colorado’s Pot Revenue Goes Up in Smoke

ConstantineXI on November 4, 2015 at 10:27 AM

They’re also being sued by OK and NE for letting marijuana make its way into their states.

Fenris on November 4, 2015 at 10:34 AM

Sources on any of that?

jmarcellais on November 4, 2015 at 10:26 AM

Do you have any reputable data to backup up this? Or you are speaking out of your a$$?

weedisgood on November 4, 2015 at 10:28 AM

And if the links are given, and are valid, you will concede the argument and agree? That legalizing has been a disaster?

right2bright on November 4, 2015 at 10:34 AM

Can’t*

jmarcellais on November 4, 2015 at 10:34 AM

There is no point in legalizing weed if I can’t grow my own.
weedisgood on November 4, 2015 at 10:23 AM

The proposed Ohio legislation had a provision to be able to grow up to four plants.
The measure was defeated for other, valid reasons.

exCHUD on November 4, 2015 at 10:36 AM

For a group that likes to talk about Obama’s America eroding our freedoms, you sure don’t seem to mind throwing innocent people into jail for doing nothing more ingesting a foreign substance not deemed appropriate by the pharmaceutical industry.

jmarcellais on November 4, 2015 at 10:39 AM

And if the links are given, and are valid, you will concede the argument and agree? That legalizing has been a disaster?

right2bright on November 4, 2015 at 10:34 AM

It has to be a reputable source not some anti-libertarian source.
There is no reputable data that legalization has been a disaster in Colorado. NONE!

They have more revenue than they can spend.

weedisgood on November 4, 2015 at 10:41 AM

One of my neighbors nearby tokes up (illegally) and it makes the whole freakin block smell like a gdamned skunk.

It should be illegal just from the public nuisance aspect.

“Your rights end at my nose” Literally.

Defenestratus on November 4, 2015 at 10:08 AM

There is an entrance corridor at my apartment complex that ALWAYS smells like Weed Central thanks to 1-2 potheads. My fiance is horribly allergic to the smoke (among other things) and literally cannot walk down that 30 foot stretch of hallway without going into a hideous coughing fit.

Where the hell is my right to not worry she’s going to fall over in a gasping seizure? The cops have been and gone multiple times to little avail, they have literally a million more urgent things to deal with, posted notes from management do jack diddly…

Look at where it has been legalized. This has largely been a disaster:

1) Not curbing drug use, drug use has skyrocketed.
2) Not as much tax money to fund big government as projected, big surprise.
3) The Black Market and drug cartels still exist.
4) Violent crime has skyrocketed since legalization.

Nothing good comes from smoking dope…

nazo311 on November 4, 2015 at 10:13 AM

Exactly. Every single solitary financial/social ‘benefit’ the potties use to push for legalization has been PROVEN to be a complete lie. It’s exactly like the lies and results with legalized gambling.

The only remaining argument is “because I want to and it makes me feel good’. (where oh where have we all recently heard this?) And contrary to what our spoiled-child culture pushes, that is not a legitimate reason.

LawfulGood on November 4, 2015 at 10:41 AM

The proposed Ohio legislation had a provision to be able to grow up to four plants.
exCHUD on November 4, 2015 at 10:36 AM

Not enough. I would vote against it.

weedisgood on November 4, 2015 at 10:41 AM

That is why they want disenchantment of the public, racial tension, economic tension, a complacent society, one that is growing and robust, has no need for liberal policy.

right2bright on November 4, 2015 at 10:30 AM

There will be none of that in Eastern Kentucky because around here order is kept by Smith&Wesson. And other fine firearms manufacturers.

ConstantineXI on November 4, 2015 at 10:43 AM

The only remaining argument is “because I want to and it makes me feel good’. (where oh where have we all recently heard this?) And contrary to what our spoiled-child culture pushes, that is not a legitimate reason.

LawfulGood on November 4, 2015 at 10:41 AM

Let me ask you a question from the perspective of someone who doesn’t drink….

What makes you think the glass of beer you had is less harmful than the weed brownie I had this morning?

weedisgood on November 4, 2015 at 10:44 AM

The proposed Ohio legislation had a provision to be able to grow up to four plants.
exCHUD on November 4, 2015 at 10:36 AM

Not enough. I would vote against it.

weedisgood on November 4, 2015 at 10:41 AM


You’ll get NOTHING AND LIKE IT!
-Judge Smails

ConstantineXI on November 4, 2015 at 10:45 AM

Kasich has a sad today.

Mr. Arrogant on November 4, 2015 at 10:45 AM

Of course that poster had no sources for any of that bc it’s not true. But when has a rightie cared about what’s true? They’re all for state rights and individual freedoms until it comes to people’s choice of drugs. They rather big pharmacy be the only ones getting people high…and the alcohol and tobacco companies which both kill more people than weed every year should be the only legal vices. Duh.

Politricks on November 4, 2015 at 10:33 AM

I know, right, I HATE that hypocritical crap.

It’s like a leftie screaming “Get your gubment hands off my body!” when it comes to abortion but they have no trouble mandating the size of the sugary drink you’re allowed to purchase or the amount of salt in your food.

Freakin’ libs, they piss us off, yeah?

Bishop on November 4, 2015 at 10:47 AM

There will be none of that in Eastern Kentucky because around here order is kept by Smith&Wesson. And other fine firearms manufacturers.

ConstantineXI on November 4, 2015 at 10:43 AM

Will your new governor rescind the gun ban that exists in Kentucky, not that anyone who lives there could figure out how to shoot.

Bishop on November 4, 2015 at 10:49 AM

A doped up population is easier to control…

ConstantineXI on November 4, 2015 at 10:20 AM

Actually a chaotic population if what the liberals want.

Chaos creates opportunity for laws, regulations, expansion of government.

right2bright on November 4, 2015 at 10:30 AM

Actually you’re both right. The ones who are doped up are too dense to care or understand if they do care, and they also cause chaos with their careless habits or because they want another fix that the rest of the population has to deal with. Bernie Sanders is not supporting legalization because he thinks it sounds nice, he’s doing it because he sees a gold mine of opportunity for his side.

LawfulGood on November 4, 2015 at 10:49 AM

They don’t know what to do with excess revenue…It’s kind of idiotic to give it back to the government.

weedisgood on November 4, 2015 at 10:31 AM

What do you expect from people who are stoned?

AubieJon on November 4, 2015 at 10:50 AM

Not enough. I would vote against it.

weedisgood on November 4, 2015 at 10:41 AM

How about five plants? Six? What limits on your freedoms (that don’t affect others) are acceptable?

Fenris on November 4, 2015 at 10:50 AM

But when has a rightie cared about what’s true? They’re all for state rights and individual freedoms until it comes to people’s choice of drugs. They rather big pharmacy be the only ones getting people high…and the alcohol and tobacco companies which both kill more people than weed every year should be the only legal vices. Duh.

Politricks on November 4, 2015 at 10:33 AM

Thats retarded.

Mimzey on November 4, 2015 at 10:51 AM

Thats retarded.

Mimzey on November 4, 2015 at 10:51 AM

That’s because ImTurningtricks is a hit-and-run libtard troll.

LawfulGood on November 4, 2015 at 10:52 AM

A doped up population is easier to control…

ConstantineXI on November 4, 2015 at 10:20 AM

In a nutshell, THIS^^^ They are gullible and easier to brainwash and convince with the librul lies. Aldous Huxley warned us about SOMA a long time ago. Weed is SOMA.

FNH57 on November 4, 2015 at 10:53 AM

They’re also being sued by OK and NE for letting marijuana make its way into their states.

Fenris on November 4, 2015 at 10:34 AM

Straw purchases. Something should be done about the “Colorado Loophole”.

Mimzey on November 4, 2015 at 10:54 AM

Mimzey on November 4, 2015 at 10:54 AM

Heh. Along the lines of “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people”, Smoking marijuana doesn’t make you an idiot, you’re an idiot for smoking marijuana.

Fenris on November 4, 2015 at 10:57 AM

What makes you think the glass of beer you had is less harmful than the weed brownie I had this morning?

weedisgood on November 4, 2015 at 10:44 AM

My liver processes the alcohol in that one glass of beer immediately. The THC in the pot brownie sits in your brain for days, weeks, and even months afterwards. Logically speaking, the latter is more likely to do lasting harm.

Why don’t you post some more lies about how many people die of alcohol poisoning?

JannyMae on November 4, 2015 at 10:58 AM

So if the legalization measure had passed, sales would be controlled by a Kasich Kartel?

Ward Cleaver on November 4, 2015 at 10:59 AM

Freakin’ libs, they piss us off, yeah?

Bishop on November 4, 2015 at 10:47 AM

Yeah. It’s the dumb. It’s sooo advanced. They’re like a population of “dumb” savants. They have evolved their dumb into a science. In thier minds, albeit small minds, that man in a dress is a woman, and fracking causes earthquakes. You can’t make this stuff up.
They’ve gone full retard….never go full retard.

Mimzey on November 4, 2015 at 11:00 AM

So if the legalization measure had passed, sales would be controlled by a Kasich Kartel?

Ward Cleaver on November 4, 2015 at 10:59 AM

Worse than government control. They basically set up an oligopoly for 10 private individuals cronies. If after some years (I forget, 10 years) there would be government reviews, and if they weren’t meeting demand, then it could be expanded. But there would be no chance of that; they would do everything to meet demand.

Fenris on November 4, 2015 at 11:03 AM

Pot-o-nomics is a total ruse. Unless growing isn’t allowed privately then there is no way for the State to get the revenue on a sustained basis. It might last a year or two, after that the State will be left with potheads and no pot revenue. The crap will be growing from Granny’s herb garden to wetland margins from DC to Seattle.

Limerick on November 4, 2015 at 11:04 AM

What makes you think the glass of beer you had is less harmful than the weed brownie I had this morning?

weedisgood on November 4, 2015 at 10:44 AM

Science?…observation?
The person who has a glass of beer exhibits zero impairment. The person who eats a pot brownie becomes obviously intoxicated. In fact the whole purpose of consuming any “recreational drug” is by definition to experience the altered perceptions.

Mimzey on November 4, 2015 at 11:06 AM

They basically set up an oligopoly for 10 private individuals cronies. If after some years (I forget, 10 years) there would be government reviews, and if they weren’t meeting demand, then it could be expanded. But there would be no chance of that; they would do everything to meet demand.

Fenris on November 4, 2015 at 11:03 AM

That’s pretty much what they’ve set up in Nevada already. A Dispensary license will cost you upwards of $500K, ensuring that only the rich and cronied will control the production, distribution, and content of the weed market. Harry Reid’s golden parachute.

FNH57 on November 4, 2015 at 11:07 AM

Science?…observation?
The person who has a glass of beer exhibits zero impairment. The person who eats a pot brownie becomes obviously intoxicated. In fact the whole purpose of consuming any “recreational drug” is by definition to experience the altered perceptions.

Mimzey on November 4, 2015 at 11:06 AM

Alcohol is much more harmful than weed and that’s a fact.

Weed laws are not based on science…if you want to talk about science then that is even more reason why we should ban alcohol.

Alcohol is linked with a hosts of liver and cancer issues.
Alcohol will kill you before weed.

weedisgood on November 4, 2015 at 11:10 AM

Colorado’s Pot Revenue Goes Up in Smoke

ConstantineXI on November 4, 2015 at 10:27 AM

They didn’t meet expectations, but if they’re not happy with getting $44 million, they can send it to me.

The Rogue Tomato on November 4, 2015 at 11:12 AM

The Rogue Tomato on November 4, 2015 at 11:12 AM

How much did it cost them to collect that $44 m?

Limerick on November 4, 2015 at 11:14 AM

Alcohol is linked with a hosts of liver and cancer issues.
Alcohol will kill you before weed.

weedisgood on November 4, 2015 at 11:10 AM

You’re making crap up to support your position. You don’t get to set the narrative.
You’re trying set the “harm” level of a substance at Death, and the long established and known problems of chronic alcohol use against the unknown effect of chronic pot use.
Your argument is weak and fallacy based at best.

Mimzey on November 4, 2015 at 11:17 AM

Ohio rejects marijuana legalization — with an anti-monopoly twist

HotAir/Salem has a sadz.

“Methamphetamine use and trafficking has increased … and reflects the area’s greatest drug threat, followed by heroin, marijuana, controlled prescription drugs, cocaine and designer drugs,” the report says.

‘Portland, Oregon is a Utopia’ they’ll tell you.

TheMadHessian on November 4, 2015 at 11:20 AM

Nothing good comes from smoking dope…

nazo311 on November 4, 2015 at 10:13 AM

Generally agreed, but I’d add that the improbable lowering of IQ and judgment from EVERY SINGLE pothead I’ve ever known [admittedly I avoid them, but have been forced to associate with enough of them] is at some point going to be much more effective at culling the herd than most any other “methodology”…

RL on November 4, 2015 at 11:21 AM

You’re making crap up to support your position. You don’t get to set the narrative.
You’re trying set the “harm” level of a substance at Death, and the long established and known problems of chronic alcohol use against the unknown effect of chronic pot use.
Your argument is weak and fallacy based at best.

Mimzey on November 4, 2015 at 11:17 AM

Your argument is weak. Most people who are against Marijuana legalization ADMIT that alcohol is much worse but they acknowledge we cannot fix that because the the genie is out of the bottle.

Dr Krauthammer (psychiatrist)

Krauthammer: If starting society from scratch ‘I would outlaw alcohol and I’d allow marijuana’

http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/21/krauthammer-if-starting-society-from-scratch-i-would-outlaw-alcohol-and-id-allow-marijuana/

Marijuana prohibition is not scientific based.

weedisgood on November 4, 2015 at 11:28 AM

Alcohol is much more harmful than weed and that’s a fact.

Weed laws are not based on science…if you want to talk about science then that is even more reason why we should ban alcohol.

Alcohol is linked with a hosts of liver and cancer issues.
Alcohol will kill you before weed.

weedisgood on November 4, 2015 at 11:10 AM

Well, now, Mr. Prove-It-To-Me-With-Links and his addled little mind now suddenly laser-focused on asking for links. [Kindly do not bother: I’ve read, heard and witnessed among many the results of [your] addiction for 50 years, and your infantile truth-twisting, non-arguments are nothing but self-justifying rationalizations that perpetually fail.]

Do you even have an inkling of the difference between “use” and “excessive” use? Moron.

“…will kill you before weed.”

Well now, so you acknowledge weed kills. That’s a start, Oh Great-Physician-and-Health-Care-Guru

RL on November 4, 2015 at 11:48 AM

Philadelphia bought votes this time around. Making it like a lottery giving $10,000 to one lucky voter.

Large liberal city with lots of lower income inner city residents + vote buying = PA libs now have control of the state supreme court for many years to come, a liberal state district attorney, and of course Philly gets a new liberal mayor.

Oxymoron on November 4, 2015 at 11:54 AM

Marijuana prohibition is not scientific based.

weedisgood on November 4, 2015 at 11:28 AM

Based on your past comments, scientific observation leads us to seriously question allowing it in our society beyond medicinal purposes.

You are your own worst argument against it.

dominigan on November 4, 2015 at 11:57 AM

They have more revenue than they can spend.

weedisgood on November 4, 2015 at 10:41 AM

If you think a government body can ever have more revenue than they can spend, then that weed brownie must have been pretty light on the chocolate.

The Schaef on November 4, 2015 at 11:58 AM

It always amazes me how little the drug warriors actually know about weed. The comments about why alcohol is better are priceless. Regardless, weed smokers aren’t much different than the rest of America

More Americans Than Ever Use Prescription Drugs

Oh but that’s medicine. Sure it is. snicker

rhombus on November 4, 2015 at 12:02 PM

Weed – hang in there against those personal attacks. You and I rarely see eye to eye but when they attack you personally, you should know you’ve won the argument.

rhombus on November 4, 2015 at 12:05 PM

Marijuana prohibition is not scientific based.

weedisgood on November 4, 2015 at 11:28 AM

You failed to address my point and went right to logical fallacies. Krauthammer says so. There is no comparision to the weed of Krauthammers day and the 25% THC of today.
Apples to oranges.

Mimzey on November 4, 2015 at 12:06 PM

. There is no comparision to the weed of Krauthammers day and the 25% THC of today.
Apples to oranges.

Mimzey on November 4, 2015 at 12:06 PM

Yeah, high potency weed is out there but that’s usually reserved for the very wealthy. The stuff I see is the same quality I saw in the 70’s. Sorry, but it’s true.

rhombus on November 4, 2015 at 12:09 PM

I worked an Ohio poll yesterday handling three precincts with a pretty balanced white-black mix. For what it’s worth, and God love ’em, a lot of old white people were in to vote. I’m betting that hurt the hooch supporters. I think I saw a few young white stoners who were probably voting for the only time in their lives–for hooch.

As “precinct election officials,” our claim to fame was that The Cincinnati Enquirer had a woman out to write a special-interest piece on the workers. She ended up featuring an 80-year-old woman who’s a naturalized citizen (from Great Britain) and a high-school gal. The old woman was pretty interesting, and her accent was great. But she was useless as t*ts on a bullfrog from a worker’s perspective. I should be the one getting her $161.50 for as much as I had to pick up after her. The high school student was a delight to have around.

The Ohio GOP would be smart to devise a bill–not a constitutional amendment–authorizing some highly restricted flavor of medicinal hooch. Some supporters, at least according to the papers, were inclined to favor legalization for all just to help the few who might be helped by its medicinal benefits. Indeed, great hay was made in TV ads about ONE couple who moved to Colorado so that they could purchase hooch for their young daughter whose medical condition is helped by hooch. Yet another example of liberals using kids–in this case, A kid–as a human shield.

BuckeyeSam on November 4, 2015 at 12:14 PM

It always amazes me how little the drug warriors actually know about weed. The comments about why alcohol is better are priceless. Regardless, weed smokers aren’t much different than the rest of America

More Americans Than Ever Use Prescription Drugs

Oh but that’s medicine. Sure it is. snicker

rhombus on November 4, 2015 at 12:02 PM

They will use every excuse in the book to justify their alcoholic drinking habits.

From my experience strong anti-weed people are the ones who abuse alcohol the most.

It comes from a place of quilt.

weedisgood on November 4, 2015 at 12:15 PM

Actually a chaotic population if what the liberals want.

Chaos creates opportunity for laws, regulations, expansion of government.

And nothing causes chaos like drugs on the street.

That is why they want disenchantment of the public, racial tension, economic tension, a complacent society, one that is growing and robust, has no need for liberal policy.

right2bright on November 4, 2015 at 10:30 AM

Releasing thousands of prisoner from jail should help. The sanctuary cities apparently aren’t enough.

Oxymoron on November 4, 2015 at 12:17 PM

Good news. The idea is to hurt the cartels, not trade one for another.

Meremortal on November 4, 2015 at 12:21 PM

..Most people who are against Marijuana legalization ADMIT that alcohol is much worse but they acknowledge we cannot fix that because the the genie is out of the bottle.
weedisadebilitatingpoison on November 4, 2015 at 11:28 AM

Again, the mentally addled addict simple waves his hand and makes up admissions by large, supposedly authoritative amorphous groups who have no listed credentials or experience in dealing with unintended consequences.

Dr Krauthammer (psychiatrist)
Krauthammer: If starting society from scratch ‘I would outlaw alcohol and I’d allow marijuana
http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/21/krauthammer-if-starting-society-from-scratch-i-would-outlaw-alcohol-and-id-allow-marijuana/

For what? Out of context and not from a designated authority on any aspect of the physical chemistry side of the issue at hand. Krauthammer may or may not be aware of human nature, apparently, in his ignoring the results of prohibition and the simple corollary that people have some freedom to make their own errors or become the obedient slaves of do-gooders.

Marijuana prohibition is not scientific based.

Aside from your faded intellectual capacities in formulating proper basic prose [try “scientifically based”], what, then, are you doing quoting a non-scientist to support your whining about “not scientific”? If your sign-on name and apparent long term usage have any bearing on the subject, you continually prove yourself to have some very serious mental-acuity issues. One might expect that of alcoholics, but I’ve never known one of those to espouse the idiocy that it’s somehow just peachy to indulge in that mind-weakening delusion as you do in yours – “Oh, gee whiz, they both can kill you, but MINE is much better in giving me more time.”

That is the evil of unrestricted drugs, in particular, that aspect which moronically promotes the idea of it’s being health to ingest burning matter through and into organs specifically designed to filter out such crap – with the ultimate goal of further altering the mind’s grip on its development over thousands of years to survive in reality – not in an addled state.

Every time you comment, you defy our thoughts that, “…truly, this cannot become more unreal or more demented.”

RL on November 4, 2015 at 12:22 PM

More Americans Than Ever Use Prescription Drugs

Oh but that’s medicine. Sure it is. snicker

rhomshortbus on November 4, 2015 at 12:02 PM

Oh hey, you’re a complete retard. Snicker.

Hey dillweed, which has gone through a literal ton of paperwork, dozens of rounds of lab testing, and scrutinizing by federal agencies before it could even be considered for public use:

Drugs sold at a store by a licensed pharmacist? Or drugs sold on the street by Jamel Jumpnshoot?

LawfulGood on November 4, 2015 at 12:22 PM

LawfulGood on November 4, 2015 at 12:22 PM

It must be time for your pill.

rhombus on November 4, 2015 at 12:27 PM

“simple waves”

simply waves…

RL on November 4, 2015 at 12:29 PM

Releasing thousands of prisoner from jail should help. The sanctuary cities apparently aren’t enough.

Oxymoron on November 4, 2015 at 12:17 PM

Yes, another example of chaos…

right2bright on November 4, 2015 at 12:29 PM

More Americans Than Ever Use Prescription Drugs

Oh but that’s medicine. Sure it is. snicker

rhomshortbus on November 4, 2015 at 12:02 PM

Gee, I guess an aging population, and the fact that new drugs to combat diseases, like Alzheimer’s, cancer, don’t figure into it…those drugs are the same category to you as street drugs?

You seem to not understand the word “discernment”…

right2bright on November 4, 2015 at 12:32 PM

right2bright on November 4, 2015 at 12:32 PM

Blah, blah, blah… you and I both know Americans love drugs and have since they started turning their corn into whiskey.

rhombus on November 4, 2015 at 12:36 PM

They will use every excuse in the book to justify their alcoholic drinking habits.

From my experience strong anti-weed people are the ones who abuse alcohol the most.

It comes from a place of quilt.

weedisgood on November 4, 2015 at 12:15 PM

Do you have a link to a scientific study for that and doesn’t use your fanciful imaginings for it.

RickB on November 4, 2015 at 12:46 PM

Do you have a link to a scientific study for that and doesn’t use your fanciful imaginings for it.

RickB on November 4, 2015 at 12:46 PM

As proven in his every comment, such links are without exception, externally phony, while the rest, richly present only in his addled, drug demented mind [using the latter term loosely]. Thus unavailable to those of us living in the “real” world.

RL on November 4, 2015 at 12:54 PM

Yeah, high potency weed is out there but that’s usually reserved for the very wealthy. The stuff I see is the same quality I saw in the 70’s. Sorry, but it’s true.

rhombus on November 4, 2015 at 12:09 PM

It may be true but it’s a non sequitur. It doesn’t matter. You can grow it for less than the cost of bag of 70’s weed. That being said, from my experience and the people I know who smoke, they smoke smelly green weed and they are faar from wealthy.
Sorry, but it’s true.

Mimzey on November 4, 2015 at 12:58 PM

Nick Gillespie seeks help for depression.

Another Drew on November 4, 2015 at 1:15 PM

Sorry, I do not believe my fellow Ohioans did the right thing for the wrong reason. We just decided we would like our children to grow up instead of becoming road kill for the drugies. Washington shows 40% of there accidents involve drugs. Colorado shows 80% of the drivers at fault in auto accidents test positive for drugs or alcohol and that doesn’t even start to tell about the huge increase in Children coming into the emergency rooms after eating drug laced candies and brownies. And Colorado even found out that adults are buying the drugs and selling them to under aged children just like they have beer in the past. Give me a break look at the facts and show me any reason to legalize drugs. If you legalize drugs you might as well legalize all other crimes so that we don’t have so many people in prisons, so we can make the Democrats happy..

pwb on November 4, 2015 at 1:31 PM

I saw a musician recently (Colorado) and said, “So what else are doing these days?” He said, “I’m a trimmer.” I asked what that was and he said, “I trim pot buds for a commercial grower at $25 an hour.”

I thought, “Who needs minimum wage? Any idiot can trim leaves.”

So I looked it up:

Statistics
Unemployment Rate – September 2015
Colorado: 4.0%
National: 5.1%

Colorado Job Growth (SA)
Aug 2015 – Sep 2015: +2,000
Sep 2014 – Sep 2015: +41,500

2015 Minimum Wage
$8.23 / Hour
$5.21 / Hour for tipped employees

Meremortal on November 4, 2015 at 1:37 PM

The people in OH are not against medicinal marijuana, they don’t want recreational use or the monopoly that went with it. OH polls showed they were against recreational. As for Kasich he was also against the bill. One of the 10 in the monopoly was Nick Lachey some Hollywood lib, which also did not help the cause.

Right in Ohio on November 4, 2015 at 1:56 PM

Alcohol is linked with a hosts of liver and cancer issues.
Alcohol will kill you before weed.

Cheech Wizard on November 4, 2015 at 11:10 AM

Your willful ignorance of the following inconvenient truths is duly noted!

1. Marijuana smoke contains about 60 chemicals called cannabinoids. The best-known of these is THC, which also leads to the signs that someone has been smoking pot: the memory loss and random thoughts, as well as the unsteady walk.

2. Marijuana smoke is also filled with many of the same chemicals as tobacco smoke, including ammonia, hydrogen cyanide, and formaldehyde. Some of these chemicals are known to cause cancer.

3. There’s no proof that smoking marijuana causes lung cancer like cigarettes do. But people who smoke pot do show signs of damage and precancerous changes in their lungs, especially if they also smoke cigarettes. And a study published in 2013 in Cancer Causes & Control found that heavy marijuana smoking might raise the risk of lung cancer.

4. Brain imaging scans of heavy marijuana smokers have revealed changes in blood flow to parts of the brain involved in memory and attention. Researchers have also noted differences in the size and shape of the thalamus, the part of the brain that’s involved in consciousness and information processing.

5. New research from Canada shows that some toxins may be more abundant in marijuana cigarettes than tobacco cigarettes.

The researchers burned 30 marijuana cigarettes and 30 tobacco cigarettes on a machine in their lab, measuring levels of chemicals in the smoke.

Ammonia levels were up to 20 times higher in marijuana smoke than in tobacco smoke. Levels of hydrogen cyanide and nitrogen-related chemicals were three to five times higher in marijuana smoke than in tobacco smoke.

6. F-.

Del Dolemonte on November 4, 2015 at 2:24 PM

Hey dillweed, which has gone through a literal ton of paperwork, dozens of rounds of lab testing, and scrutinizing by federal agencies before it could even be considered for public use:

Drugs sold at a store by a licensed pharmacist? Or drugs sold on the street by Jamel Jumpnshoot?

LawfulGood on November 4, 2015 at 12:22 PM

How about we eliminate the screwjob that cannabis got thanks to Nixon and his ilk before you make medical-process comparisons? There’s thousands of testimonials about cannabis alleviating epilepsy, glaucoma and possibly some cancers… however, weed is stuck in Schedule I. And there’s only one institution in the U.S. that’s authorized to perform medical experiments involving cannabis. And the probability of those tests and results being biased towards the DEA and the status quo is considerably high (pun somewhat intended).

Let’s open up the medical experimenting to more universities, labs and similar institutions, and get some more results from unbiased sources. THEN we can talk medical procedures.

TMOverbeck on November 4, 2015 at 2:59 PM

Who would want to grow weed in their yard anyway? That’s really asking for it. Ever degenerate weedisgood character out there is going to be sneaking into your yard, probably armed. Once they get the pot, who’s to say they’re going to stop there? Why not a little stoned rape, robbery, and murder while you’re at it, right weedisgood? I mean, you really DO need entertainment while you’re stoned after all.

BTW, nothing here for you but a code 308.

Andy__B on November 4, 2015 at 5:22 PM

A majority of Ohioans support legalization, but not a crony-capitalist quasi-monopoly on production.

You should lay off the weed, Ed. The people voted against legalization, period — overwhelmingly so. Trying to make excuses about they were interested only if it would have some free market component as if they were economic philosopher-kings is laughable.

Legalization has been an embarrassment for Colorado, and utterly discredited the “weed has no bad effects” claims.

Stoic Patriot on November 4, 2015 at 5:23 PM

Referendums are the definition of mob rule. Our fore-fathers knew well of that, thus they created a republic rather than a democracy.

Carnac on November 4, 2015 at 10:08 PM