Has the liberal wing of the Democrats finally pushed the party too far?

posted at 3:21 pm on November 2, 2015 by Jazz Shaw

Alexander Bolton has a column at The Hill where he explores the question of whether or not the ascendant, hard left, liberal wing of the Democrats has finally pushed their part to a tipping point in the run-up to the next presidential election and how that might affect some downticket races as well. The main area he focuses on is the anti-arms race going on among Democrats as they each try to one-up each other on who would ban the most guns the fastest. But given the consistent poll numbers we’ve seen on the subject of gun rights, are they alienating a significant section of the general election audience and putting unwanted pressure on their Senate candidates in critical states?

There’s division within the Democratic Party over how aggressively to push gun control, an issue that is growing more urgent among the liberal base but threatens to hurt centrists running in battleground states.

While Democratic senators from liberal states such as Connecticut and Oregon are rolling out new gun control legislation in Washington, some strategists warn the issue could alienate pro-gun voters in key states such as Colorado, New Hampshire, Florida, Pennsylvania and Nevada.

But it could be difficult for Democratic Senate candidates to keep the gun issue at bay, given the rising fervor in the liberal base for action.

Democratic presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Martin O’Malley have tried to tap into the grassroots anger over gun violence, zeroing in on the issue during their first presidential debate.

The problem with the “swing states” is that almost all of them tend to swing toward gun rights, often heavily. The Democrats are going to have a serious messaging problem if a significant number of their candidates go off tone and start contradicting their presidential candidate on the campaign trail. But by the same token, if they toe the party line they’re going to give their GOP opponents a serious opening.

The overall issue of the Second Amendment isn’t the only place where the Warren Wing is pushing the party into potentially untenable territory. The SJW has got both Clinton and Sanders rushing to placate the Black Lives Matter movement, threatening to shut down their campaign events if they don’t mouth the correct catch phrases. (And frequently shutting them down anyway even if they do.) Getting into bed with that segment of the party may look great in the primary, but it’s going to cause trouble in the general election. Consistent polls show that Americans by and large still widely support the police.

Despite all the stories about police violence and bad behavior in federal law enforcement, a new HuffPost/YouGov survey shows that most Americans still trust the agencies tasked with upholding the nation’s laws.

Majorities of the poll respondents said they have a “great deal” or “fair amount” of trust in their local police department and in police nationwide, as well as in the FBI. Americans were a bit less trusting of three other federal agencies, though around half expressed similar support for the CIA, the Drug Enforcement Administration and the Secret Service.

Further, when the “protesters” get out of hand and go after the cops, national support for the movement plummets. Only 25% of respondents in a different poll felt that the riots in Baltimore “were sparked by legitimate grievances” while a very solid majority described them as criminal actions. It’s possible that the Democrats’ candidates have spent too much time watching the skewed views of reporters on MSNBC and CNN and came away thinking that theirs was some sort of national consensus view while nearly the exact opposite was the case.

In some ways this is a great popcorn moment for conservatives. It’s generally the GOP which is pegged as having their base drive their candidates too far from the center to win national elections. Unfortunately for the Democrats, overreach is a problem on both sides of the aisle and if they’re not careful they will find themselves stuck in the same trap they tried to set for the Republicans.


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I dare the Dems to run on a platform of gun control. I double dog you, mother***kers…!!

JohnGalt23 on November 2, 2015 at 3:24 PM

You mean the DAZI’s?

Oil Can on November 2, 2015 at 3:24 PM

Has the liberal wing of the Democrats finally pushed the party too far?
Nov 2, 2015 3:21 PM by Jazz Shaw

A bridge too far on guns and cops

The cops problem is all on Obama, and the MSM. I don’t know which is worse, but they’re a toxic brew.

LashRambo on November 2, 2015 at 3:26 PM

Only when it gets to the Pol Pot level and some rich powerful Commies get hung in the public square .

The Commie Demicrat Party is a Cargo Cult operation now, all based on lies by liars.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 2, 2015 at 3:26 PM

“Liberal” wing? You mean the Communist wing, don’t you?

rjh on November 2, 2015 at 3:26 PM

Meh… they’ll just lie about it later

Floriduh Jim on November 2, 2015 at 3:28 PM

Finally?

Occams Stubble on November 2, 2015 at 3:28 PM

Has the liberal wing of the Democrats finally pushed the party too far?

…is water wet..??

…you’re starting from a premise that there is a “non-Left-Tard” wing…it no longer exists…does that answer your question…??

Pelosi Schmelosi on November 2, 2015 at 3:29 PM

The “tell” is they are full bore full speed ahead in support of the Climate Change Lie.

The is only the one center of evil wing of this mad hatter cult now.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 2, 2015 at 3:30 PM

Look, there’s no way to get to Utopia without having to pass through the fascist state.

antipc on November 2, 2015 at 3:30 PM

All they have is our tax money to buy votes with.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 2, 2015 at 3:31 PM

Beijing’s covert radio network airs China-friendly news across Washington, and the world

Part 3: The Chinese government controls much of the content broadcast on a station that is blanketing the U.S. capital with pro-Beijing programming. WCRW is part of an expanding global web of 33 stations in which China’s involvement is obscured.

Oil Can on November 2, 2015 at 3:33 PM

The SJW has got both Clinton and Sanders rushing to placate the Black Lives Matter movement, threatening to shut down their campaign events if they don’t mouth the correct catch phrases. (And frequently shutting them down anyway even if they do.) Getting into bed with that segment of the party may look great in the primary, but it’s going to cause trouble in the general election.

…because neither of them can replicate the Odoooshbag coalition…pander away morons…wait till the ILLEGALS force BLM into the ash heap of history…

Pelosi Schmelosi on November 2, 2015 at 3:35 PM

It’s disturbing that these freaks get as much support as they do. They favor killing babies and cops and they hate the Bill of Rights and God.

forest on November 2, 2015 at 3:35 PM

It’s not about pushing too far, it’s about finally being themselves and revealing what they truly want to do, unconstrained and un-tethered.

WordsMatter on November 2, 2015 at 3:37 PM

Some of the police unions have traditionally supported Democrats, believing that Democrats would support higher pensions and other union benefits. But if Democrats support cop-killers, that support could evaporate.

When will someone start a #copslivesmatter movement?

Steve Z on November 2, 2015 at 3:37 PM

There is no “liberal wing” of the Democrat Party, unless you count one person–Jim Webb–as a “wing.” The whole party is hard-left, and that’s why it has trouble competing at a national level, except during presidential elections (when Democrats push race and class wars the most) and whenever the Republican Party runs stupid candidates.

Just look at the issues of gun control and Black Lives Matter to see how idiotic the Democrat Party is. Democrats want to ban guns while attacking police officers for “killing unarmed black men.” So, I guess people calling the cops more often (since they won’t have guns to defend themselves) is a good thing for Black Lives Matter, right?

Aizen on November 2, 2015 at 3:38 PM

They have plenty of room to move further left, and they will, and have, just not publicly…

right2bright on November 2, 2015 at 3:40 PM

No such thing.

Galtian on November 2, 2015 at 3:42 PM

Aizen on November 2, 2015 at 3:38 PM

They are like those flock of birds who fly in unison…when they veer left, they all veer, their is no separation.

They dart about the political landscape, and sometimes, for a moment, they dart to the right to pick up a vote or two, but always their home is to the left.

right2bright on November 2, 2015 at 3:42 PM

Is it even a wing?
What do we call the non-liberal/communist/marxist/socialist/progressive/statist poriont?

The nub?

LoganSix on November 2, 2015 at 3:43 PM

I remember when socialism was considered a bad thing. What happened America?

Oxymoron on November 2, 2015 at 3:46 PM

There are no centrists in the DimoKKrap Party. They ran the centrists off a very long time ago. Never in my lifetime has there been a Dim centrist.

Constitutionalists are centrists. The numbers of centrists in this country is quite small relative to the rest of the population.

Quartermaster on November 2, 2015 at 3:47 PM

For the far left part of the party, they’ve fully bought into the idea of the permanent Democratic Electoral College Majority, which explains both Bernie Sanders and their efforts to push Hillary to the far left.

The liberal-leaning pundits for the past seven years have been talking about how the Democratic presidential nominee automatically goes into any election with 240-250 electoral votes locked up, and simply has to win Ohio or Florida to win the White House. If you’re on the hard-core progressive side of party, what that translates into is you don’t need to run the ‘War on Women’ campaign, you can put up Bernie or any other hard-core progressive and still win the presidency.

It also means even if they don’t think Bernie can get it done in the primaries, they’re going to keep pushing Hillary to the left, because in their minds, they don’t think she or they have to lie to swing voters anymore about being moderates. Hillary could have Fidel Castro instead of Julian Castro as her running mate in 2016 and could run around vowing to nationalize everything from Exxon down to mom and pop rural country stories and it wouldn’t matter in the mind of the progs, because she’s still guaranteed 240-250 Electoral votes.

So they’re going to keep pushing Hillary and the party to the left, until they’re actually hurt by an election vote for moving the party too far to the left.

jon1979 on November 2, 2015 at 3:48 PM

As some point the ultra Left wing Liberals were going to push too hard, that was a given after Obama got elected. I am surprised it took this long.

Johnnyreb on November 2, 2015 at 3:49 PM

I remember when socialism was considered a bad thing. What happened America?

Oxymoron on November 2, 2015 at 3:46 PM

“The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of ‘liberalism’ they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.”
Norman Thomas

Pelosi Schmelosi on November 2, 2015 at 3:49 PM

One more: gender-free bathrooms.

I really, really hope they keep pushing that one right up to November of next year!

jeanneb on November 2, 2015 at 3:51 PM

In the end, Dimbulbcrat voters will always vote for who they are told to vote, even if they have to be dug up from their graves to do it.

PJ Emeritus on November 2, 2015 at 3:51 PM

What do we call the non-liberal/communist/marxist/socialist/progressive/statist poriont?

LoganSix on November 2, 2015 at 3:43 PM

…the full Left-Tard…

Pelosi Schmelosi on November 2, 2015 at 3:52 PM

Molon Labe. They’re going to get a whole lot of their useful idiots killed in the process. Then they’ll be the ones on the menu for Liberty Tree fertilizer…

HomeoftheBrave on November 2, 2015 at 3:53 PM

Wishful thinking.

Since Obama won re-election, it’s obvious that ‘reason’ no longer matters. Only grievance and identity politics.

Deafdog on November 2, 2015 at 3:53 PM

Meh… they’ll just lie about it later

Floriduh Jim on November 2, 2015 at 3:28 PM

I thought the same thing, but there are way too many juicy Dem anti-gun/confiscation soundbites out there to use.

They will go over extremely well with the Independents in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida.

Johnnyreb on November 2, 2015 at 3:53 PM

This the same that happened in the 70`s and 80`s that cause the Dems to lose 5 of 6 Presidential election, when the party was Mcgovernize.

Rook on November 2, 2015 at 3:55 PM

They’re pushing the envelope in order to determine just how stupid their voters are.

cajunpatriot on November 2, 2015 at 3:59 PM

What do we call the non-liberal/communist/marxist/socialist/progressive/statist poriont?

LoganSix on November 2, 2015 at 3:43 PM

You forgot ‘fascist’.

NotCoach on November 2, 2015 at 4:01 PM

Has the national Socialist liberal wing of the Democrats finally pushed the party too far?

FIFY

Stop honoring those authoritarians which positive labels such as that.

Torcert on November 2, 2015 at 4:02 PM

The AubieJon in-laws:

FIL – Retired NASA engineer
MIL – Artist

Religion – Protestant, Presbyterian
Primary news sources – CNN, NPR, and Scientific American magazine

Their defense when Obama’s failures are brought up – “Bush did the same thing!”

After the Hildebeast appeared before the Benghazi committee: “Hillary did a good job.”

The liberal wing may be pushing the party to the left, but it hasn’t gone far enough yet scare these folks off.

AubieJon on November 2, 2015 at 4:02 PM

Look I am sure the even Gates likes and votes for Santa Claus. The thing is Gates is to stupid to understand that Santa Claus is using his money to pay for the gifts. Must be nice to be so rich that you can hide most of your wealth and not even notice them taking the more. But, of course, the truth is most of the money comes from the middle class as proven by the fact that middle America has lost thousand of dollars in income.

pwb on November 2, 2015 at 4:03 PM

Meh… they’ll just lie about it later

Floriduh Jim on November 2, 2015 at 3:28 PM

I thought the same thing, but there are way too many juicy Dem anti-gun/confiscation soundbites out there to use.

They will go over extremely well with the Independents in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida.

Johnnyreb on November 2, 2015 at 3:53 PM

You mean like:

Clinton Announces Massive Gun Control Plan http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/16/clinton-announces-massive-gun-control-plan/ via @dailycaller

And

Obama Goes Beyond Mere Gun Control, Hints at Confiscation – Breitbart http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/03/obama-goes-beyond-mere-gun-control-hints-confiscation/ via @BreitbartNews

Torcert on November 2, 2015 at 4:04 PM

They succeed in shifting the Overton window, thanks to continuous stupidification of the voting population through public schools, academia, mass media and show biz. In twenty years, Ronald Reagan will be a brief mention in the school history book, and his last voters will be begging for budget scraps from the government.

Rix on November 2, 2015 at 4:06 PM

I thought the same thing, but there are way too many juicy Dem anti-gun/confiscation soundbites out there to use.

They will go over extremely well with the Independents in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida.

Johnnyreb on November 2, 2015 at 3:53 PM

Then there are these:

Clinton: Australian-Style Gun Control ‘Worth Considering’ for U.S.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JctBYrIaKvY

OBAMA ENDORSES AUSTRALIAN-STYLE GUN CONFISCATION
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKSvxz5LHHw

Torcert on November 2, 2015 at 4:07 PM

They really need to pull out the old Occupy Wall Street hippies and go back to their roots of pooping on police cars and rape tents.

RSbrewer on November 2, 2015 at 4:07 PM

This is pure nonsense. Overcoming almost 250 years of racism, sexism, homoism, gun worshipping, patriotism, xenophobia and greed-driven capitalism is going to come with a little pain for some, but Democrats are finally transforming this country.

I’m sure that during the transformation there will be a few of noisy rightwingers whining about their “property” and “rights”, but they will be dealt with – we can allow progress to be impeded.

It’s time to stomp out antiquated principles and values and bring forth a modern America in which all will truly be equal.

Frank Lib on November 2, 2015 at 4:10 PM

Has the Trotskyite wing of the Communist Party finally pushed the Leninists too far?

mankai on November 2, 2015 at 4:10 PM

You forgot ‘fascist’.

NotCoach on November 2, 2015 at 4:01 PM

Well, that might just be the word to use.

LoganSix on November 2, 2015 at 4:13 PM

It’s time to stomp out antiquated principles and values and bring forth a modern America in which all will truly be equal POOR.

Frank Lib on November 2, 2015 at 4:10 PM

Your understanding of history and economics is stunningly idiotic.

Leftists… always demanding we redistribute the wealth that capitalism has created by threatening to destroy capitalism.

smh

mankai on November 2, 2015 at 4:14 PM

It’s time to stomp out antiquated principles and values and bring forth a modern America in which all will truly be equal.

Frank Lib on November 2, 2015 at 4:10 PM

I saw your post on another thread and thought “this has got to be satire”. Now, I see this and I know it is. Funny stuff, man, channeling your inner Bernie.

AubieJon on November 2, 2015 at 4:15 PM

You do know that BHO is the leader of said party…right?

d1carter on November 2, 2015 at 4:15 PM

Ban motorized vehicles! This will stop drunk drivers.

Anti-Statist on November 2, 2015 at 4:17 PM

This is pure nonsense. Overcoming almost 250 years of racism, sexism, homoism, gun worshipping, patriotism, xenophobia and greed-driven capitalism is going to come with a little pain for some, but Democrats are finally transforming this country.

Frank Lib on November 2, 2015 at 4:10 PM

You forgot about theism.

Oxymoron on November 2, 2015 at 4:20 PM

please tell us who is in the moderate wing, or the centrist wing, of the Demoncrap party?

cuz to have a “liberal wing” you must have a moderate wing to contrast it to, and there ain’t no such animal.

as a matter of fact, there are 2 wings, the liberal wing and the commie wing, and the commie wing is the dominant wing in that leftist anti-American party.

Senator Philip Bluster on November 2, 2015 at 4:25 PM

One more: gender-free PUBLIC bathrooms.

I really, really hope they keep pushing that one right up to November of next year!

jeanneb on November 2, 2015 at 3:51 PM

FIFY

Many homes and smaller businesses have a single gender free bathroom. As long as the door locks, all is good.

But I’m with ya, gender free bathrooms in public places like schools or gender free locker rooms doesn’t sit too well with most parents of younger children.

Oxymoron on November 2, 2015 at 4:25 PM

Most of the Democrat Party has lurched so far to the left that many former Democrats now self-identify as Independent. It is the opposite of the phenomenon in the GOP, where the party is so hellbent on plowing the middle of the road that it is those further to the right who have disassociated with their party.

Though the squeakiest wheels get the grease, most of the country, D and R, is trending right.

The biggest problem that I see for the country is the fact that most of the higher education set, and a large portion of K-12 educators, lean so far to the left that many youth are exposed mostly to a very skewed view of political matters. The fact that Hollywood and the media are of the same bent makes this imbalance even worse.

The saving grace is that experience eventually outs liberal policies as failures; sadly too much damage is often inflicted before many learn that lesson.

hillbillyjim on November 2, 2015 at 4:28 PM

Frank Lib on November 2, 2015 at 4:10 PM

mankai on November 2, 2015 at 4:14 PM

That didn’t take long!

Serious Drivel on November 2, 2015 at 4:32 PM

I’d love to believe these fluffy feel good posts, but I know they are just that.

No, the democrats are not too far left. They’re not far left or corrupt ENOUGH as far as the ignorant, apathetic voting public is concerned, apparently.

The fact that half the country can even consider a dangerous criminal sociopath like Hillary as a viable candidate for president shows that stark, frightening truth every day.

Agent Cooper on November 2, 2015 at 4:38 PM

I remember when socialism was considered a bad thing. What happened America?

Oxymoron on November 2, 2015 at 3:46 PM

We stopped teaching the kids history. Now they think socialism is edgy and cool.

Laura Castellano on November 2, 2015 at 4:50 PM

We stopped teaching the kids history. Now they think socialism is edgy and cool.

Laura Castellano on November 2, 2015 at 4:50 PM

I remember the Anarchy movement by the younger folks during the late 80s and early 90s.

Communism in the 60s and 70s.

The youth in this country seem to always be attracted to non-mainstream political philosophies.

Most of them out grow it, the rest stay Democrats.

airupthere on November 2, 2015 at 4:58 PM

The democrats have one huge advantage. The MSM will conveniently forget anything said in the primary for the dems and distort anything said by the GOP. So it is much easier for the dems to tack left in the primary and then back to the center for the election (and of course hard left after the election).

yetanotherjohn on November 2, 2015 at 5:01 PM

Obama is banning asking if applicants for federal government jobs are convicted felons.

I would love to see Hillary defend that policy on a live debate with whoever the GOP winner ends up being.

The leftward march of the Democratic party is meaningless unless they are forced to explain it, and ultimately defend it in contrast to someone who is actually opposed to their ideals.

If the questioning and contrast does not directly occur, they can continue to play to their base and have the rest of the country be ignorant of the true extremism of their actual policy positions.

Or, when confronted, they will simply lie.

airupthere on November 2, 2015 at 5:01 PM

On the contrary, they need to double down.

irongrampa on November 2, 2015 at 5:12 PM

How about a #democratwaronpolice campaign for the next 12 months? Start talking and writing about it in everything you do repubics.

Jackson on November 2, 2015 at 5:16 PM

Frank Lib on November 2, 2015 at 4:10 PM

mankai on November 2, 2015 at 4:14 PM

I really enjoy seeing a true master at work. :)

JusDreamin on November 2, 2015 at 5:42 PM

The Democrat/communist party is relentless and must be fought at every turn.

rplat on November 2, 2015 at 5:56 PM

Frank Lib on November 2, 2015 at 4:10 PM

That is pure, rancid, left wing goat dung.

rplat on November 2, 2015 at 6:00 PM

Unfortunately for the Democrats, overreach is a problem on both sides of the aisle and if they’re not careful they will find themselves stuck in the same trap they tried to set for the Republicans.

It’s not the left that set that trap for the GOP.

Tlaloc on November 2, 2015 at 6:08 PM

You just don’t seem to get how this works Jazz. They drive the middle out of the Democrat party and into the GOP. The Democrats move left, and the new Republicans pull the GOP to the left. The whole process moves left. They need to stay and fight, and we need to send them our RINOs. That would pull both parties to the right.

DFCtomm on November 2, 2015 at 6:23 PM

These people are anything but “liberal”, they are hardcore totalitarians.

Now there is little difference between fascist, communist, socialist, and progressive. Today’s democrats are closest to communist which they self label progressive. Socialists won’t enforce their rule at the end of a gun, communists will. Fascists are nationalist, communists are not. Progressives and communists are the same and ARE NOT LIBERAL!!

Caveat, I like using fascist-democrat for shock value.

jukin3 on November 2, 2015 at 6:23 PM

Gun Control legislation, in the long run, comes down to trust. Perhaps we can agree on background checks, but they’re only good if states use them. We have gun laws on the books, that aren’t enforced, so what good is another law. Again, it comes down to trust and, can you trust a political party that will say or do anything to win an election? I wouldn’t trust the Democrats to pass dog control legislation let alone gun control legislation.

Let’s not forget, the Democrats are Fast & Furious, they are the party that supports Hillary even after she’s proven she’s a liar, they’re the political party of IRS abuse, and they are the political party of EPA abuse. They just can’t be trusted to do what’s best for the country. “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan.” This is the Democratic Party. I’m not sure why Republicans aren’t constantly reminding the voters of this, but that’s the reality. The Democrats are Benghazi, not because they were responsible for it, but because they refuse to let the investigation go where it needs to go because of party loyalty, not because it’s good for the country.

bflat879 on November 2, 2015 at 6:33 PM

Oil Can

If you want to make the case that the Chinese stations are more biased about anything than Salem is against the Republican frontrunner, you’re going to have to fake your data.

sad but true

kunegetikos on November 2, 2015 at 6:44 PM

“Liberal” wing? You mean the Communist wing, don’t you?

rjh on November 2, 2015 at 3:26 PM

Is there any difference?

smokeyblonde on November 2, 2015 at 7:52 PM

If the gates aren’t closed, none of this matters. It’s almost too late, if it isn’t already. Marxism is here, at least 40% will vote for it if not more.

LaughterJones on November 2, 2015 at 7:57 PM

AubieJon on November 2, 2015 at 4:02 PM

No offense, AubieJon, but just being book smart or talented does not necessarily make one an overall smart or educated human being.

I used to think people like you’re inlaws just didn’t know any better, but not anymore. They are willfully and happily blind to what is really going on the world and are ultimately no different than any delusional person choosing to live in their delusional world rather than take their meds.

They are even more evil than the stupid people who don’t have the intellectual capacity – they obviously do and voluntarily choose not to use it.

Apologies for ranting, but antisense pissed me off on another post AND I’m still working (13 hours + counting) … but still no excuse to be rude. :(

smokeyblonde on November 2, 2015 at 8:02 PM

Jazz, when you say stuff like this you diminish the degree to which the Democrap Party has leap-frogged over Democrat Socialist and landed on Socialist-Lunatic-Fringe.

Today’s Democrat is the Communist of 1956 that America was obsessed with ferreting out.

Jaibones on November 2, 2015 at 9:41 PM

The voter tide has clearly turned against Obama and his trendy leftist haughty professorial brand of double-down offensiveness and incompetence. He lost the House and Senate and the Presidency is now up for grabs. If Hillary gets in, it will be from GOP incompetence.

The country is itching to get rid of this ship of fools, who delivered a parade of embarrassing strategic failures. Their signal achievement, Obamacare is decaying in real-time, and the main result was a record deficit, record poverty and record structural unemployment.

virgo on November 2, 2015 at 9:52 PM

Don’t underestimate the stupidity of the electorate. The Democrats now believe they can do and say anything and still get elected because Obama proved them true twice over.

evergreen on November 3, 2015 at 9:50 AM

“…Americans by and large still widely support the police…”

Wow, now that‘s a disturbing statement. The fact that it really has to be said, the “by and large” and “widely” qualifiers. WTF is the matter with us?

stoutcat on November 3, 2015 at 12:28 PM

“Unfortunately for the Democrats, overreach is a problem on both sides of the aisle and if they’re not careful they will find themselves stuck in the same trap they tried to set for the Republicans.”

And it couldn’t happen to a more deserving outfit of tyrants, crooks, and fools.

Archangel Nation on November 3, 2015 at 3:37 PM

I just cannot wait until the Clinton’s are back in the White House. The first thing they will do is reinstate James Riady’s American-citizenship. This will immediately open up the endless flow of money from China. I have no idea what American technology they will sell to the government of China. It will probably be something like missile guidance systems which they will steal from the American military. (There is a definite advantage to having “Commander in Chief,” next to your name in the Oval-Office !) The “Clinton Foundation” will provide almost unlimited access to many different methods of funneling illegal foreign donations to the Clinton campaign funds. (They will need this money very badly since they will immediately be campaigning for another term in the White House.)

Bugdust172 on November 3, 2015 at 5:21 PM