Boehner calls for education as a “civil rights” issue

posted at 11:31 am on October 24, 2015 by Jazz Shaw

The outgoing Speaker himself put out a weekly address for the GOP this morning and in it he decides to pivot the current party focus back to the subject of education. While it’s certainly a valid topic in any election, it’s one which the Democrats are wrestling with a lot more than the Republicans. Boehner’s focus, however, seems a bit at odds with the key talking point he’s putting forward. Calling for a new approach to fixing our failing schools, he suggests making education The Civil Right of the 21st Century. Our friend Andrew Malcolm has the full details over at Investors.com, but here’s the intro with the key message.

As parents – as Americans – we want nothing more than to see our kids go to the best schools. In my view, education ought to be the civil right of the 21st century.

This week, the people’s House took another step towards fulfilling that vital goal.

You see, in 2003, a small group of Republicans and Democrats came together to create something called the DC Opportunity Scholarship Program.

It is the only program in America where the federal government allows low-income families to choose the schools that are best for their kids.

The program has truly made a difference. All told, some 6,100 students have gone to better schools using these scholarships. Last spring, 90 percent of 12th graders in the program graduated. That’s much higher than the city’s average graduation rate.

And of the 1,400 students this year, some 87 percent would otherwise be at a school that the government has identified as in need of improvement. These are the kind of results parents dream of for their kids.

You can listen to the audio of the address here, or watch the video below.

The Speaker is, of course, talking about the DC Opportunity Scholarship Program which only applies to the nation’s capital, but this is a winning subject for the GOP which could be applied almost anywhere in the nation. The entire idea of school choice is one of the few places where you could drive large numbers of otherwise Democrat leaning voters away from their party’s core machinery. The Dems are funded by the unions with a great deal of the support coming from the teachers unions. They hate the idea of school choice and charter schools because it gives parents a chance to pull their kids out of failing public schools with dodgy teachers and put them into a program where they might get a leg up in the race to get into a good college or technical school and start a successful career. As the public schools weaken, so too does the funding for the unions and their grip on elections. (Which is, let’s face it, the primary raison d’etre for the teachers unions anyway.)

With that in mind, it’s a fine idea for the Speaker to not only push for the renewal of the program, but to encourage state legislatures to adopt similar systems around the country. The only quibble I have with this delivery is the idea of conflating education with the entire concept of civil rights. Education isn’t a right so much as a very common and necessary service, much the same as health care. If anything, it’s more of an infrastructure question than one of civil rights. The further you go along the educational path, the more options there will be available. Some will be of higher quality than others and some will cost more or less than their competitors. That’s just the nature of the world. There should also be some aspects of a meritocracy when it comes to higher education because what you get out of it should depend, at least in part on what you put into it.

When you start tacking on the tag of “civil rights” to an education question it’s an invitation for the Democrats to declare it a fundamental human right and therefore make it “free” for everyone. And we all know what the word “free” means when it’s spoken in the progressive wing. The taxpayers foot the bill for even more massive government management of something they are not at all good at and you get yourself an even higher mountain of debt in the bargain.


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bernzright777 on October 24, 2015 at 11:35 AM

Boner finally gets something half right. Half assed but half right.

Mr. Arrogant on October 24, 2015 at 11:36 AM

I’ll take Boner over Ryan Paul.

Redstone on October 24, 2015 at 11:39 AM

Lol! Education is a STATES RIGHTS issue, boner head…..

Indiana Jim on October 24, 2015 at 11:40 AM

Go home, Boner, and keep the federal government out of education. That is a job for state and local government people.

jaime on October 24, 2015 at 11:41 AM

Boner finally gets something half right. Half assed but half right.

Mr. Arrogant on October 24, 2015 at 11:36 AM

Exactly where is there Constitutional Authority to have the FedGov involved in education at any level?

Reuben Hick on October 24, 2015 at 11:42 AM

So conservative.

Nomennovum on October 24, 2015 at 11:43 AM

You’ve been speaker for a long time and you’re just talking about this now?

Occams Stubble on October 24, 2015 at 11:46 AM

In perusing my copy of the Constitution, I can find nothing to indicate Congress’ authority to appropriate funds for the purposes of education.

Could John Boehner please point it out to me? Perhaps his copy of the Constitution is written differently than mine…

JohnGalt23 on October 24, 2015 at 11:47 AM

And Bonehead is suppose to be a republican? This is proof(as if any were needed at this point) that the majority of republicans in congress are simply leftist democrats who changed parties and then have lied to get elected and reelected.

Elections mean nothing any more. The voting machines and therefore the vote counts are controlled by those in power.

bgibbs1000 on October 24, 2015 at 11:50 AM

So we’re increasing funding for the Dept. Of Education then?

Joseph K on October 24, 2015 at 11:51 AM

Quitters don’t get to use the microphone, and no one interviews the losing teams’ quarterback as he runs off the field.

BobMbx on October 24, 2015 at 11:52 AM

So we’re increasing funding for the Dept. Of Education then?

Joseph K on October 24, 2015 at 11:51 AM

What a f**king NIGHTMARE those people in washington are.

jaime on October 24, 2015 at 11:53 AM

How about if Congress and the government get out of the public school business completely? They destroy everything they touch, so if you want to improve schools, get rid of the Dept of Education and make education a state responsibility.

What if a few Conservative billionaires funded private schools that were based on conservative principles and the constitution, and parents had freedom to send their kids to any school they wanted? We could completely destroy the teachers unions and liberals hold on public schools.

Boehner needs to take his little brain and go home.

huckleberryfriend on October 24, 2015 at 11:54 AM

These are the kind of results parents dream of for their kids.

During those short, boring moments between #BLM posts and the next crack high.

BobMbx on October 24, 2015 at 11:55 AM

We’ve heard this a lot recently:

“Education is a fundamental human right.”

The cost of govt involvement in education has been huge. And I don’t just mean monetary costs, but let’s stick to that right now. Govt involvement in education undermines the market process to a large degree and leads to continuous inflationary pressures on education costs.

But listen “our” #1 candidate (in Iowa) on this:

Ben Carson from last week on This Week with George Stephanopoulos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VREQ_5VzVWk&i=CarsonSocialism

On Sunday, Carson talked about incorporating more socialism into America, making all medical schools “free” [we assume all college too], for adding more regulations, and for eliminating for-profit insurance companies. Incredible. Then Carson again re-confirmed his crackpot idea that instead of going to war in Afghanistan we should of heavily subsidized green energy in a bid to be “oil free within a decade.” True! See for yourself!

anotherJoe on October 24, 2015 at 11:55 AM

I’ll take Boner over Ryan Paul.

Redstone on October 24, 2015 at 11:39 AM

YES!

There’s some interesting Headlines posts today that are getting little attention because it’s Saturday:

Dave Brat: Not so fast, Paul Ryan. http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2015/10/24/not-so-fast-paul-ryan/

Mark Krikorian: Paul Ryan’s selection as Speaker represents all that’s wrong with the GOP. http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2015/10/24/paul-ryans-selection-as-speaker-represents-all-thats-wrong-with-the-gop/

REJECT Paul Ryan!@

anotherJoe on October 24, 2015 at 12:00 PM

Boner does not want to do anything about education, what he wants is to strengthen the Marxist Indoctrination masquerading as the American Educational System.

The GOP Establishment are Marxists just like the Democrats, they have been exposed over and over for the last 7 years and the Republican Base is in full revolt against them. Boner is trying to find a way to give his Marxist cohorts a chance of surviving the Republican Civil War.

oscarwilde on October 24, 2015 at 12:02 PM

What the f is wrong with these people?

What a stupid non-issue.

He’s the Speaker of the House of the United States. Education is a local issue, and really in all honesty should not be the purview of government at all. Government does a horrible, inefficient job at pretty much everything they do, and I don’t trust them to educate kids. the more government has taken over, the worse the education as gotten.

“civil rights issue”? I mean come on.

Timin203 on October 24, 2015 at 12:04 PM

anotherJoe on October 24, 2015 at 11:55 AM

Which campaign are you working for? Jeb’s?

Free medical school is a silly idea, but it’s also an incredibly tiny, small, rounding error amount of money.

Being “oil free” well — I’m not sure what that has to do with Afghanistan TBH, since there is no oil in Afghanistan (well, that’s been discovered at least).

Timin203 on October 24, 2015 at 12:06 PM

YES!

There’s some interesting Headlines posts today that are getting little attention because it’s Saturday:

Dave Brat: Not so fast, Paul Ryan. http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2015/10/24/not-so-fast-paul-ryan/

Mark Krikorian: Paul Ryan’s selection as Speaker represents all that’s wrong with the GOP. http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2015/10/24/paul-ryans-selection-as-speaker-represents-all-thats-wrong-with-the-gop/

REJECT Paul Ryan!@

anotherJoe on October 24, 2015 at 12:00 PM

I read the Dave Brat piece it sounds like a bunch of GOPe RINO bullshit.

bgibbs1000 on October 24, 2015 at 12:07 PM

I’ve got to agree with most of the posters here, the best way to help the education system is for the federal government to get out of the way of the states. And calling it “civil rights”????? Go home and cry to someone who might care and quit screwing the pooch.

Mini-14 on October 24, 2015 at 12:10 PM

this is a winning subject for the GOP

Been saying it for more than a decade. School choice IS the civil rights of our times.

John the Libertarian on October 24, 2015 at 12:10 PM

There is no civil right to school period. Boehner should get into rehab.

echosyst on October 24, 2015 at 12:10 PM

As if we needed more evidence that elected Republican leadership is stupid and dishonest.

When did they ever campaign on making education a “civil right” and putting it under the jurisdiction of the federal government?

When did they ever campaign on giving amnesty to 11-40 million illegal aliens?

(Yes, Ryan, it is amnesty; but you’re too cowardly to argue the point.)

When did Paul Ryan ever campaign, saying “Give us the majority so I can be Budget Committee chair, and I promise to make a deal that cuts COLA for current veterans? (And then I promise to say I wasn’t in the room when the agreement was made.)”

Has there ever been a group of leaders so hostile to the views of the people who made them leaders?

EastofEden on October 24, 2015 at 12:15 PM

Free.

As in, nobody gets paid but they do the work anyways.

Teachers
Administrators
Custodians
The company that supplies the textbooks
The builder that built the school
All the builder’s employees work without pay
The power company.

Free.

Just for once, I’d like to have them try making it truly free.

Lance Corvette on October 24, 2015 at 12:16 PM

the US education system has fallen behind the countries with much more robust public education systems, not those with less public education.

everdiso on October 24, 2015 at 12:20 PM

As if we needed more evidence that elected Republican leadership is stupid and dishonest.

When did they ever campaign on making education a “civil right” and putting it under the jurisdiction of the federal government?

When did they ever campaign on giving amnesty to 11-40 million illegal aliens?

(Yes, Ryan, it is amnesty; but you’re too cowardly to argue the point.)

When did Paul Ryan ever campaign, saying “Give us the majority so I can be Budget Committee chair, and I promise to make a deal that cuts COLA for current veterans? (And then I promise to say I wasn’t in the room when the agreement was made.)”

Has there ever been a group of leaders so hostile to the views of the people who made them leaders?

EastofEden on October 24, 2015 at 12:15 PM

Actually the sheeple who keep believing the next election will start to change things for the better are the ones who are stupid.
Yes the GOP in DC is dishonest but they are not stupid.

bgibbs1000 on October 24, 2015 at 12:20 PM

Cruz: We’re ‘one liberal justice’ from irreparable damage
Matthew Patane,
[email protected] 7:11 p.m. CDT October 23, 2015

This article is interesting for a number of reasons and applies to Boehner’s argument that education should be a civil right since the proposition would likely end up before the Supreme Court.

Further, I believe Cruz may see an appointment to the Supreme Court as his ultimate goal. It’s a way of making a lasting contribution to the nation over the course of his own lifetime, rather than the necessarily limited term(s) of a presidency, and, most importantly, a means of preserving and safeguarding the constitution.

thatsafactjack on October 24, 2015 at 12:22 PM

I read the Dave Brat piece it sounds like a bunch of GOPe RINO bullshit.

bgibbs1000 on October 24, 2015 at 12:07 PM

You could be right. I’m not sure what all his verbiage is about, but why doesn’t the Brat just say unequivocally NO to the #1 amnesty shill in the House: PBS Documentary: Paul Ryan’s Secret 2014 Amnesty Plan Halted at Last Moment.

It’s just blows my mind that the GOPe would saddle with (un)arguably the most open borders candidate in the House: NumbersUSA President: Paul Ryan ‘Terrifying,’ ‘Open Borders Seeps Out of Every Pore Of His Being’

But from the Mark Krikorian Headlines link:

Ryan as chairman of Ways and Means worked. Ryan as the de facto leader of the GOP does not, for three reasons:

GOP to its own voters: Drop dead.

[And this is not just the GOP “establishment,” it’s apparently the entire GOP (including the so called ‘Freedom Caucus’) that is saying “drop dead” to its voters.]

anotherJoe on October 24, 2015 at 12:25 PM

You’ve been speaker for a long time and you’re just talking about this now?

Occams Stubble on October 24, 2015 at 11:46 AM

…the man is constipated!…it takes things a long time… to come out of his azs…why do you think he cries so much?

JugEarsButtHurt on October 24, 2015 at 12:26 PM

Been saying it for more than a decade. School choice IS the civil rights of our times.

John the Libertarian on October 24, 2015 at 12:10 PM

Somehow I doubt that school choice is what they have in mind.

Gator Country on October 24, 2015 at 12:27 PM

Cartool.

RushBaby on October 24, 2015 at 12:27 PM

Cruz: We’re ‘one liberal justice’ from irreparable damage
Matthew Patane, [email protected] 7:11 p.m. CDT October 23, 2015

This article is interesting for a number of reasons and applies to Boehner’s argument that education should be a civil right since the proposition would likely end up before the Supreme Court.

Further, I believe Cruz may see an appointment to the Supreme Court as his ultimate goal. It’s a way of making a lasting contribution to the nation over the course of his own lifetime, rather than the necessarily limited term(s) of a presidency, and, most importantly, a means of preserving and safeguarding the constitution.

thatsafactjack on October 24, 2015 at 12:22 PM

Cruz is absolutely right. One more leftist judge a SCOTUS and it’s bye bye Second Amendment. Personally I give it 5 years at the most before SCOTUS does it.

bgibbs1000 on October 24, 2015 at 12:28 PM

John needs to get a good sponsor, talk to friends of Bill W, and brush up on the serenity prayer, 12 steps, need to change people and places, etc.

Christien on October 24, 2015 at 12:29 PM

Which campaign are you working for? Jeb’s?

Timin203 on October 24, 2015 at 12:06 PM

Certainly not!

Btw, Carson & Jeb agreee on lax immigration:

Ben Carson in his own words:

“We should of course allow them [illegals] to have a pathway to citizenship. That’s the only humane and reasonable thing to do.” -Ben Carson

“We continue to harass and deport many individuals who are simply seeking a better life for themselves and their families.” -Ben Carson

anotherJoe on October 24, 2015 at 12:30 PM

The so called Freedom Caucus was created out of he blue just one short year ago. There is widespread suspicion it was created by the GOPe to placate the GOP voters and it has to some extent served it’s purpose well.

bgibbs1000 on October 24, 2015 at 12:31 PM

When you start tacking on the tag of “civil rights” to an education question it’s an invitation for the Democrats to declare it a fundamental human right and therefore make it “free” for everyone.

Funny, isn’t it, Jazz, that it’s possible Boehner doesn’t know that already? If we all weren’t sure that Boehner is an idiot, we might have to admit he’s waving to the socialists from the finish line.

Dusty on October 24, 2015 at 12:36 PM

Certainly not!

Btw, Carson & Jeb agreee on lax immigration:

Ben Carson in his own words:

“We should of course allow them [illegals] to have a pathway to citizenship. That’s the only humane and reasonable thing to do.” -Ben Carson

“We continue to harass and deport many individuals who are simply seeking a better life for themselves and their families.” -Ben Carson

anotherJoe on October 24, 2015 at 12:30 PM

Donald, 2012:

“[Romney] had a crazy policy of self-deportation, which was maniacal,” Trump said. “It sounded as bad as it was, and he lost all of the Latino vote … He lost the Asian vote. He lost everybody who is inspired to come into this country.”

“The Democrats didn’t have a policy for dealing with illegal immigrants,” Trump told Newsmax. “But what they did have going for them is they weren’t mean-spirited about it.”

“For people that have been here for years that have been hard-workers, have good jobs, they’re supporting their family — it’s very, very tough to just say, ‘By the way, 22 years, you have to leave. Get out,'” he said during an appearance on Fox News. “I’m one of the world’s very conservative people, but I have to tell you on a human basis, how do you throw somebody out that’s lived in this country for 20 years.”

everdiso on October 24, 2015 at 12:41 PM

everdiso on October 24, 2015 at 12:41 PM

That, uttered days after Romney’s defeat when many of the GOP pundits like O’Reilly and Hannity were jumping on the amnesty train, was just one digression by Trump from his long and detailed history of being tough on immigration.

Here’s the truth:

Trump’s LONG history of being tough on immigration:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Donald_Trump_Immigration.htm

2013
Citizenship for illegal immigrants is a GOP suicide mission
Donald Trump said “The fact is those 11 million [plus] people will be voting Democratic. You can be out front. You can be the spearhead. You can do whatever you want to do, but every one of those 11 million people will be voting Democratic. It is just the way it works.” Source: 2013 CPAC in Wash Times, Mar 15, 2013

2011:
Anchor babies were NEVER the intent of the 14th Amendment
The root cause of all the welfare payments to illegal aliens is the so-called “anchor baby” phenomenon, which is when illegal immigrant mothers have a baby on American soil. The Fourteenth Amendment… was not intended to guarantee untrammeled immigration to the United States. Source: Time to Get Tough, by Donald Trump, p.140-141, Dec 5, 2011

Triple-layered fence & Predator drones on Mexican border (2011)
Control borders; even legal immigration should be difficult (2000)
“Enter by the law, or leave.” (2000)

1999:
Limit new immigration; focus on people already here
Trump was firm concerning restrictions in immigration. “I’m opposed to new people coming in,” Trump said. “We have to take care of the people who are here.” Source: nytimes.com/library/politics, Dec 10, 1999

anotherJoe on October 24, 2015 at 12:51 PM

That, uttered days after Romney’s defeat when many of the GOP pundits like O’Reilly and Hannity were jumping on the amnesty train, was just one digression by Trump from his long and detailed history of being tough on immigration.

yeah, now that you mention it, he does tend to say whatever he thinks people want to hear.

everdiso on October 24, 2015 at 12:58 PM

yeah, now that you mention it, he does tend to say whatever he thinks people want to hear.

everdiso on October 24, 2015 at 12:58 PM

Kinda like “Elect me and the oceans will stop their rise”, n’est-ce pas? Or should I say “comprende”?

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on October 24, 2015 at 1:07 PM

“The only quibble I have with this delivery is the idea of conflating education with the entire concept of civil rights. Education isn’t a right so much as a very common and necessary service, much the same as health care. If anything, it’s more of an infrastructure question than one of civil rights.”

And “conservatives” wonder why they’re losing the culture wars…

Pray tell, Mr. Shaw, what exactly is the difference between a “right” and an “infrastructure question”? You’re making the serious error when you conflate the two and in doing so, you are expressly condoning government control over education because it’s a “necessary service.” A “civil right” is something that you (correctly) think that the government has a legitimate responsibility to protect — but you also simultaneously imply that the government has a compelling interest in providing education to its citizens. So education is a right?

Why? And if not, then where’s the dividing line between “rights” and a “compelling” interest?

The government compels people who may not even have children to pay for the education of children that aren’t their own. Why is the education of these children “necessary” for the people taxed in support of them? What if people disagree with what is taught in public schools — much like the religious folk who don’t want to have to abide a contraception mandate in their business that is against their religious beliefs — and don’t want to fund it or send their children to it?

Too bad; it’s a “necessary service” according to the State (and yourself, Mr. Shaw) and the citizens will contribute — or else. Consequently, the public schools will never go bankrupt, no matter how bad the “service” they provide. So where’s their incentive to produce a superior product? And if you can afford it after paying for the public schools, the government may permit you to send your kids to alternative schools — that the government permits to exist. But if not checked (let alone, questioned), the primary form of education in this country will always remain a socialized education that promotes the ends of government. And under this scenario, with education remaining under government control — that is, under control of the politicians, not the consumer — it will never change for the better.

Again, why should it?

Once you (and the Republicans) accept the fundamental tenets of the socialists, Mr. Shaw — in this case, that the government has a “compelling” interest in educating its citizens — then you’re only arguing over the degree of control that the government exercises over its subjects. And when you’ve done that, you’ve lost the argument.

And that is why the Republicans are losing the culture — and political — wars.

sixerfixer1976 on October 24, 2015 at 1:09 PM

You are never going to convince anywhere near the number of Americans you’d need to say that education is not a civil right — given that the taxpayer now pays for the majority of education and seems quite comfortable to do so. In my case, as I expect is the case nearly everywhere else, I pay for federal education programs using my income tax, and for local education programs using my property tax. Everyone, including those with no children, pays for education in some way.

As for being THE civil rights issue, Boehner is merely echoing Condoleezza Rice’s speech at the 2008 Republican convention. And Rice has no children, no skin in the game, so to speak — something that Sen. Barbara Boxer once famously snarked upon during a hearing which one could liken to being the Democratic version of the Benghazi committee.

Here’s Rice’s words on the matter, for the record.

After all, when the world looks to America, they look to us because we are the most successful economic and political experiment in human history. That is the true basis of American exceptionalism. You see, the essence of America, what really unites us, is not nationality or ethnicity or religion.

It is an idea. And what an idea it is. That you can come from humble circumstances and you can do great things, that it does not matter where you came from, it matters where you are going.

My fellow Americans, ours has never been a narrative of grievance and entitlement. We have never believed that I am doing poorly because you are doing well. We have never been jealous of one another and never envious of each others’ successes.

No, no, ours has been a belief in opportunity. And it has been a constant struggle, long and hard, up and down, to try to extend the benefits of the American dream to all. But that American ideal is indeed in danger today. There is no country, no, not even a rising China that can do more harm to us than we can do to ourselves if we do not do the hard work before us here at home.

More than at any other time in history, greatness is built on mobilizing human potential and ambition. We have always done that better than any country in the world. People have come here from all over because they have believed our creed of opportunity and limitless horizons. They have come here from the world’s most impoverished nations just to make a decent wage. And they have come here from advanced societies as engineers and scientists that fuel the knowledge-based revolution in the Silicon Valley of California, in the Research Triangle of North Carolina, along Route 128 in Massachusetts, in Austin, Texas, and across this great land.

We must continue to welcome the world’s most ambitious people to be a part of us. In that way, we stay young and optimistic and determined. We need immigration laws that protect our borders, meet our economic needs, and yet show that we are a compassionate nation of immigrants.

We have been successful too because Americans have known that one’s status of birth is not a permanent condition. Americans have believed that you might not be able to control your circumstances but you can control your response to your circumstances.

And your greatest ally in controlling your response to your circumstances has been a quality education. But today, today, when I can look at your zip code and I can tell whether you’re going to get a good education, can I honestly say it does not matter where you came from, it matters where you are going? The crisis in K-12 education is a threat to the very fabric of whom we are.

My mom was a teacher. I respect the profession. We need great teachers, not poor ones and not mediocre ones. We have to have high standards for our kids, because self-esteem comes from achievement, not from lax standards and false praise.

And we need to give parents greater choice, particularly, particularly poor parents whose kids, very often minorities, are trapped in failing neighborhood schools. This is the civil rights issue of our day.

If we do anything less, we can damage generations to joblessness and hopelessness and life on the government dole. If we do anything less, we will endanger our global imperatives for competitiveness. And if we do anything less, we will tear apart the fabric of who we are and cement the turn toward entitlement and grievance.

unclesmrgol on October 24, 2015 at 1:32 PM

TS:DR

**Too Stupid, Didn’t Read

Boehner is NOT calling for education, but indoctrination into Big Government totalitarianism. Dud should just DIAF and safe us all alot of time and brain cells.

smokeyblonde on October 24, 2015 at 1:45 PM

And that is why the Republicans are losing the culture — and political — wars.

sixerfixer1976 on October 24, 2015 at 1:09 PM

I disagree. It isn’t the Republicans foisting shoddy education upon the masses — it’s the Democrats!

Over here, we have a union — UTLA. When UTLA went on strike (“it’s for the children”), my sister-in-law, the product of the inner city and teaching at the same elementary school from which she once graduated, knew something that the liberals around her did not — that the parents of their students, by and large, held more than one job each and were working frantically to make ends meet. The elementary school kids would be at home alone — for their parents had no choice.

So when the picket lines went up, my sister in law crossed them and continued working. Those kids who came to school (nearly all of her class) continued on their assignments…

She was truly a good teacher — her students came first.

My sister-in-law was treated very badly by her rabidly union peers afterward. They deliberately did things to disrupt her class — a favorite was to deliberately divide her class in half as it marched to recess, in order to make her job of keeping control more difficult. When she and another teacher took up a collection for earthquake supplies for the kids in the aftermath of the 1994 LA earthquake, the union guys stole the fund and repurposed it to purchasing a copying machine for the union hall.

So, we might have a problem with government control, but it isn’t going to go away until the machine is broken.

And that’s a culture war we are winning. Look at charter schools, and look at vouchers. People are upset at the state of their schools, and they want change, and pointing at conservatives as being the problem only goes so far down the highway.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=teacher+union+machine

unclesmrgol on October 24, 2015 at 1:45 PM

Boehner is NOT calling for education, but indoctrination into Big Government totalitarianism. Dud should just DIAF and safe us all alot of time and brain cells.

smokeyblonde on October 24, 2015 at 1:45 PM

I didn’t get that from what I read. Please point out the places where he says what you are claiming.

unclesmrgol on October 24, 2015 at 1:48 PM

At this point the best solution is to get government out of ed. Try convincing LIVs of that though.
The next best thing is to kill the Dept of Ed and return the money to the states.

Iblis on October 24, 2015 at 1:52 PM

Crap hit enter too fast.

He could also propose some sort of national right to homeschool. That’d make the libs heads explode.

Iblis on October 24, 2015 at 1:53 PM

Exactly where is there Constitutional Authority to have the FedGov involved in education at any level?

Right there by the Articles dealing with funding the arts, defining marriage, provision of government-sanctioned cartels and price supports for farmers, and what does and does not designate a legal tool for self-defense.

CelebrateHomogeneity on October 24, 2015 at 1:55 PM

everdiso on October 24, 2015 at 12:41 PM

I agree with all of the sentiments you’ve commented. One comment by Trump resonates:

Over half of my family is of APA heritage, and while the parents and grandparents were reliably Republican, the children are reliably Democrats. When I point out that Executive Order 9066 was a Democratic initiative, they point out that history is one thing, but it’s the Republicans who would put us in the camps now.

And all those “let’s strip the anchor babies of their citizenship and deport them” comments are things they think are pointing at THEM. They might be the grandchildren of immigrants, and, in some cases, the grandchildren of illegal immigrants, but they recognize the transitive closure of an idea when it’s presented to them.

They know why their ancestors came here, and they recognize kindred spirits when they see them.

unclesmrgol on October 24, 2015 at 1:56 PM

anotherJoe on October 24, 2015 at 11:55 AM

My girls got their education form their father and I and the schizophrenic bookcase.

Thank God they actually turned into productive members of society, despite societal pressures otherwise.

smokeyblonde on October 24, 2015 at 1:56 PM

At this point the best solution is to get government out of ed. Try convincing LIVs of that though.
The next best thing is to kill the Dept of Ed and return the money to the states.

Iblis on October 24, 2015 at 1:52 PM

You are suggesting that government still be involved in education. Consider what “return the money to the states” means, and then consider what is the necessary result of the Fourteenth Amendment with regard to that money which has been returned to the states.

I submit that any citizen receiving a shoddy education from any state entity (federal or State or local) ought to be able to sue in Federal court for a remedy. If we have something which is a right, then the Federal Government is the ultimate guarantor of that right.

unclesmrgol on October 24, 2015 at 1:59 PM

unclesmrgol on October 24, 2015 at 1:59 PM

Absolutely correct! IF .gov is the u;timate arbiter of education with the Title IX funds, then they should be accountable.

In other words … such their asses for anything and everything under the sun!

smokeyblonde on October 24, 2015 at 2:06 PM

He could also propose some sort of national right to homeschool. That’d make the libs heads explode.

Iblis on October 24, 2015 at 1:53 PM

Here in California, one of my sister-in-laws is home schooling her kids as part of a social group associated with her church.

She gets one set of teaching materials for free, but has purchased two more different sets and her kids do all three.

Her kids are allowed to play on local school athletic teams, and to participate in local school social events.

Her kids are learning to play the piano and a woodwind instrument (one the flute, the other the clarinet). The State provides a music teacher who comes to their home for a couple of hours once a week.

Her kids are required to pass the standardized tests administered by her school district. A child who does not cannot continue to be home schooled.

And California is one of the more liberal states. So I’m expecting that things would be about the same in all of the other States.

Anyone else know the state of home schooling in their State? It would be interesting to compare.

unclesmrgol on October 24, 2015 at 2:06 PM

unclesmrgol on October 24, 2015 at 1:59 PM

Absolutely correct! IF .gov is the u;timate arbiter of education with the Title IX funds, then they should be accountable.

In other words … such their asses for anything and everything under the sun!

smokeyblonde on October 24, 2015 at 2:06 PM

Stupid typos!

In other words … such sue their asses for anything and everything under the sun!

smokeyblonde on October 24, 2015 at 2:08 PM

Absolutely correct! IF .gov is the u;timate arbiter of education with the Title IX funds, then they should be accountable.

In other words … such their asses for anything and everything under the sun!

smokeyblonde on October 24, 2015 at 2:06 PM

When the government is no longer accountable to the people, it’s definitely time for change. If my child doesn’t want to go into the school restroom with a person of the opposite sex who “identifies”, then he or she shouldn’t have to. If my child has firmly held religious beliefs, they should be accommodated, and not made the butt of jokes or other abuse. The first right — a right to privacy — derives from the other rights (as has been pointed out by the Supreme Court), while the second right is firmly anchored in the First Amendment (an attack upon a citizen’s private religion is the establishment of a state religion).

Even if Title IX were to vanish tomorrow, there would still exist a right to appeal to the Federal Government to force a State to provide a quality education. Again, it’s that pesky 14th Amendment which asserts who guarantees our rights.

unclesmrgol on October 24, 2015 at 2:19 PM

the little red school house has literally become the

big RED, as in commie, schoolhouse

Senator Philip Bluster on October 24, 2015 at 2:19 PM

smokeyblonde on October 24, 2015 at 2:08 PM

I got it the first time. If one understands the stated position, one addresses same, without snarky commentary about grammar or spelling.

When one is reduced to commentary on grammar/spelling, one has lost the debate.

And we aren’t even in a debate so that sentiment applies at least double, if you get my drift.

unclesmrgol on October 24, 2015 at 2:23 PM

Anyone else know the state of home schooling in their State? It would be interesting to compare.

unclesmrgol on October 24, 2015 at 2:06 PM

We home school in a rural state in the south that is at the bottom when graduation and test scores are used as comparisons.

You can use the state’s curriculum which is free, a private curriculum which you pay for, or a combination. We also have sent kids to public school K-12 and the SAT/ACT scores are the same as the home schoolers. We have two in college who went to public school and they both have close to 4.0 GPAs at tough schools.

We home school for convenience as we like three or four day weekends at the lake and for sports. High school is good for football, basketball and such, but for other sports not so much. Our home schoolers are also in sports academies that are geared specifically for home schooled kids.

We have our own businesses, which gives us much flexibility.

Did I come close to answering your question?

Good to talk with you as I am such an pervert odd-ball, normal folks like you just usually give me an eye roll!

HonestLib on October 24, 2015 at 2:24 PM

Good to talk with you as I am such an pervert odd-ball, normal folks like you just usually give me an eye roll!

HonestLib on October 24, 2015 at 2:24 PM

Hmm. Normal. That’s like like in the middle like? I do try to debate on the merits.

Congratulations on your children’s success. I note that you are saying that, state-wide, the scores are bad, but in your local area, the schools are good, and you are home-schooling at least partly for convenience. That’s fine — the money you are making in your business gives you the freedom to choose that path for your children and yourself.

Your peers, if they saw what you are doing, might look askance and say “They’ve got too much money. If they could do that, they could pay each of their employees a living wage….” So I’d keep that pretty much a secret.

One of the big problems with home schooling is that it requires commitment on the part of parents, and also a certain income. If both parents are working multiple jobs to put food on the table and shelter over the children’s heads, then while the commitment might be there, the funds are not. So, for those people, how do we get their children the needed quality education?

My opinion is that programs like the DC Scholars is the way to go for these kids. Subjecting them to failing public schools condemns them to a state much like that occupied by their parents — running hard to stay in place.

Each generation of my family has improved itself without recourse to the government, but key to such improvement has been education. From a coal miner who could neither read nor write (my grandfather) to a medical school student (my son), each generation has worked hard to improve the conditions under which their children would live. I have big problems with government handouts (some of which lead the takers off road into things like single-parent families) but I have no problem with the “3 R’s”. We are thus reduced to arguing about the content of high school reading lists and such — but not about whether it’s OK for a kid to read.

unclesmrgol on October 24, 2015 at 2:57 PM

the little red school house has literally become the

big RED, as in commie, schoolhouse

Senator Philip Bluster on October 24, 2015 at 2:19 PM

That is a natural progression, so to speak. The little red school house was built by the community originally choosing to tax those who had children for their schooling — and choosing to state that parents must school their children.

As part of the little red school house, there is a type of political indoctrination — a patriotism, as you will. That’s why, in my day, we started each day with the Pledge of Allegiance. The pledge was always led by a student who had obtained that privilege as a reward for good scholarship or good citizenship, and it was taken seriously. In junior high school, the pledge was led over the loudspeaker by some orchestra students playing Reveille (at which point everyone stopped what they were doing, rose to their feet, and faced the Flag) and then someone from the Student Council speaking the Pledge. When one heard everyone’s voice in unison, saying the same words, one felt — patriotism.

It wasn’t until high school, in California, that I noticed some students remaining seated through the Pledge. As it turned out, those students remaining seated tended also to be loners who remained silent and did not contribute much to the class. They were the guys (they were all guys, for some reason) who didn’t do school sports, etc. While I respected their decision, I did not agree with it, and so I never talked with them to find out what motiviated them to “take the road less travelled”.

It’s logical that putative progressives would usurp this function of centralized schools and turn it to their own ends. I’m thinking that perhaps the liberals were the silent seated ones who really didn’t like America, rather than merely seeming like they didn’t.

unclesmrgol on October 24, 2015 at 3:12 PM

I’ll take a double cheese burger and some of those MBA fries, please. Oh, and a 44 ounce of sugar water.

Limerick on October 24, 2015 at 3:15 PM

So, for those people, how do we get their children the needed quality education?

unclesmrgol on October 24, 2015 at 2:57 PM

Opportunity…..and hope the kids, with involvement by the parents, receive a quality education. My opportunity came through sports. When I graduated from high school I was functionality illiterate. Through scholarships I was given the opportunity and made the best of it.

Our kids have been given a different opportunity and have done very well. Even in the worst schools here, there is still great opportunity, but many kids pass it up.

We all know family, poverty, and social standing plays an important part in the education of our kids. How do we motivate kids that have no motivation to learn?

I have Asians friends and they drive their kids to succeed well beyond the pressure The Wife and I put on our kids. The results are obvious.

In the end we are talking mostly about kids in the cycle/grip of poverty.

HonestLib on October 24, 2015 at 3:27 PM

unclesmrgol on October 24, 2015 at 3:12 PM

good post,

and I’ll guess that a lot of those kids refusing to be patriotic in class also became the next generation of lefty teachers and admin bureacrats.

the more centralized the power in edu has become, the more leftist it also became. and that is exactly the plan of the radicals like Ayers and Angela Davis and many of the others who ended up in radical college indoctrination positions.

Senator Philip Bluster on October 24, 2015 at 3:38 PM

the US education system has fallen behind the countries with much more robust public education systems, not those with less public education.

everdiso on October 24, 2015 at 12:20 PM

How do you know it’s because of the “public” aspect?

Cleombrotus on October 24, 2015 at 3:58 PM

Many of you have made the comment that the constitution makes no provision for the federal government to have any role in the funding or provision of education, which is of course completely correct. I would however like to ask a more fundamental question, which is why does a piece of paper, written by men who have been dead for centuries, have any binding on me today? I never agreed to be bound by any constitution, nor did I agree to be governed by any authority. I comply with governments to avoid facing violence and imprisonment but there is no moral basis for any government, even one limited by a constitution.

whoishe on October 24, 2015 at 4:03 PM

whoishe on October 24, 2015 at 4:03 PM

Do you or do you not claim the rights and protections of the Constitution. If not, good luck. Please send us your forwarding address for Christmas cards and junk mail.

Limerick on October 24, 2015 at 4:27 PM

whoishe on October 24, 2015 at 4:03 PM

You’ve got to either be kidding or you’re under 30.

No one said there’s a moral basis for government but there’s definitely a practical basis. Whenever two individuals interact there are needs for standards, boundaries, and guidelines. The US Constitution is without a doubt the singularly most pragmatic document detailing a comprehensive formula for governing a polity ever written, guaranteeing, at least in principle, the rights and interests of the individual living in community with others.

If you’ve a better idea, let’s hear it.

Cleombrotus on October 24, 2015 at 4:35 PM

Boehner calls for education as a “civil rights” issue

Brilliant strategy, first let the Democrats take over education K-12 and above then make it a “civil right” that we are required to fund the liberal Democrat indoctrination.

No Thanks!

RJL on October 24, 2015 at 4:38 PM

Outside of the Bible, that is.

Cleombrotus on October 24, 2015 at 4:39 PM

That large “S” on Boehner’s chest as he disrobes stands for Socialist. Step aside Bernie.

Carnac on October 24, 2015 at 5:57 PM

I have read before about Boehner championing the DC voucher system, and it is right to give him credit for that. However, working within the current educational system is very much like just tweaking parts of Obamacare instead of repealing the whole thing: you are accepting an erroneous narrative frame instead of going outside it and making a better one.


Once you (and the Republicans) accept the fundamental tenets of the socialists, Mr. Shaw — in this case, that the government has a “compelling” interest in educating its citizens — then you’re only arguing over the degree of control that the government exercises over its subjects. And when you’ve done that, you’ve lost the argument.

And that is why the Republicans are losing the culture — and political — wars.

sixerfixer1976 on October 24, 2015 at 1:09 PM

There should be no Federal interference in education AT ALL, except to aid states in prosecuting fraud or harmful actions (real, not Snowflake) by whatever schools the states, municipalities, or private entities establish.
Eliminate the Department of Education completely.

But a picture is worth a thousand words —
http://i1.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2015/10/Sanders-College-copy.jpg

AesopFan on October 24, 2015 at 7:47 PM

smokeyblonde on October 24, 2015 at 2:08 PM

I got it the first time. If one understands the stated position, one addresses same, without snarky commentary about grammar or spelling.

When one is reduced to commentary on grammar/spelling, one has lost the debate.

And we aren’t even in a debate so that sentiment applies at least double, if you get my drift.

unclesmrgol on October 24, 2015 at 2:23 PM

agree with the sentiments, but thishttp://i1.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2015/10/Dr.-Whom-copy.jpg picture is apropos of the topic

AesopFan on October 24, 2015 at 7:50 PM

AesopFan on October 24, 2015 at 7:50 PM

Uh, no. Way too soft. This is better.

unclesmrgol on October 24, 2015 at 11:36 PM

HonestLib on October 24, 2015 at 3:27 PM

Of course we are talking about poverty. The only way out of poverty is for one to lift one’s self up. That’s the Condi Rice speech. But what does society provide to facilitate that uplift — to make it possible? You need resources to lift yourself up — it really doesn’t come from nothing at all. Even those poor people on Gilligan’s Island had something to start with…

Education has been used by a weapon by the Democrats since before the Civil War. They passed laws which said that blacks could not be taught to read or write. They depended on ignorance to keep their slaves in line.

Fast forward to today and nothing is different. They do not want blacks to succeed and so they deliberately trash their educational process with schools stocked with the least capable teachers and with the worst plants.

Of course, it doesn’t help things that a large number of poor blacks don’t consider education to be a particularly important thing, but why should black children who DO consider education to be important remain trapped in their local school system with those who do not? They should have the choice to move to a place which does care about their uplift. I expect there are many black parents who care about the education of their children but who have, because of their own poverty and lack of resources, an inability to act.

Remember I said above that my grandfather could not read or write. That meant that he was incapable of helping his children in any substantial, concrete fashion. He was never going to be the person going over their assignments and making sure they understood grammar and spelling — because his first language was Italian and he couldn’t even read or write that, because in his native Sicily, everyone in his village were stone quarry people — they worked with rock, and you don’t need to read or write to work with rock. When he came to the USA, he naturally gravitated to the closest job here open to new immigrants — the coal mines of Pennsylvania.

But he valued education enough to assure that his kids went to school every day and made sure — with his ready belt — that they came home with good grades.

So, what could he have done if the local school was bad? Move away from the coal mine?

unclesmrgol on October 24, 2015 at 11:49 PM

Boehner needs to look up the difference between a right and a privilege! Education is a privilege…not a right!

TomCoats on October 25, 2015 at 9:42 AM

It’s a civil rights issue cause
“Multiplication Is for White People”!

Note that the brilliant ad points out that the book “is a passionate reminder that there is no achievement gap at birth.” !

Yep, you high-standards racists can bet that a black newborn and a white newborn will score exactly the same on an SAT test, so there.

Chessplayer on October 25, 2015 at 11:21 AM

Chessplayer on October 25, 2015 at 11:21 AM

The author ascribes the problems to a differently wired brain. In other words, the kids arrive with a brain which is incapable of processing knowledge in the way it is presented in school.

She ascribes the problem (correctly, I think) to nurture as opposed to nature. But she goes further and ascribes the problem as differences between black and white culture. In her mind, the differences in culture prevent black children from learning in what is essentially a structured white culture environment.

Hmm. So how did she obtain her educational credentials? Was she somehow able to access her inner whiteness?

Unfortunately for her and her ideas, schools have discovered that it makes a difference whether you teach “whole word” or “phonics” — and that difference shows up the fallacy of her initial claim — that blacks need the big picture before they can commit to the small steps it takes to build the big picture. Well, blacks did worse with whole word than with phonics, just like their white peers, so I’m going to call bullshit on this book.

The mere fact that she is receiving accolades from her peers makes it double BS — because her peers are those who are responsible for the sorry plight of general education in America today.

unclesmrgol on October 25, 2015 at 3:27 PM