The “Swedish Model” Bernie Sanders cites is a myth

posted at 10:41 am on October 19, 2015 by Taylor Millard

There’s this idea in the U.S. (on both the Right and the Left) that Scandinavia is some sort of democratic socialist paradise where the governments and the people have banded together to make it all work. Bernie Sanders lavished praise on Scandinavia during last week’s Democratic presidential debate when talking democratic socialism.

“Those are some of the principles that I believe in, and I think we should look to countries like Denmark, like Sweden and Norway, and learn from what they have accomplished for their working people.”

But this isn’t true at all. Swedish economist Nima Sanandaji wrote in CapX in August how the country rejected democratic socialism because of how bad it turned out, especially for those who owned businesses.

As politics radicalised the social democratic system began challenging the core of the free market model: entrepreneurship…In 1980 a private person who owned a business could pay an effective marginal tax of 137 per cent on the returns on the capital raised by new share issues. This means that the individual would actually lose money by making a profit once the effect of both taxes and the inflation of the original investment were taken into account. If the business had been financed by debt, the venture became profitable, albeit still facing a high tax rate.

The late Johnny Munkhammar wrote in The Wall Street Journal in 2011 how free market reforms saved the country during the financial crisis.

Even smarting from the financial crisis, Swedes turned the leftists down. Over the last four years, they have seen their borders opened for more labor migration, they have seen still more state-owned companies sold, and have seen their public authorities shrink in number. Stockholm has also cut property taxes and abolished the wealth tax, and instituted a new system of income-tax credits that lets working people with average incomes keep what amounts to an extra month of wages, after taxes, per year. Today, the state’s total tax take comes to 45% of GDP, from 56% ten years ago.

Meanwhile, unemployment benefits, sick leave and early retirement plans have all been streamlined to encourage work. The number of people receiving such welfare—which soared during the socialist decades—has fallen by 150,000 since 2006, a main reason for Sweden’s remarkably sound public finances. Stockholm has also introduced a law that empowers Swedes to chose their providers for health care and other public services. This has led to a robust surge in entrepreneurship within the health-care sector, where more competition is bound to improve services.

Sweden did take a swing towards the Left during last year’s election, but it’s not as bad as it seems. The government is a minority government, meaning there’s a Left coalition (barely) in power. The country’s debt crisis is really horrible with Sweden $161B (U.S. dollars) in the red. A part of this is because of the increased government spending from 2014 into this year. It’s not at Grecian levels just yet, but Bloomberg noted earlier this year things weren’t good.

Sweden’s government will face a big bill from the current borrowing spree when interest rates, eventually, rise.

The costs for mortgage tax deductions, which allow households to write off as much as 30 percent on interest costs, may almost double to 46.8 billion kronor ($5.4 billion) by 2019, the National Financial Management Authority forecasts.

The migrant influx isn’t helping things and Sweden’s jobless rate of 6.7% for September has the government worried. It’s basically forcing the Social Democrats to talk with the opposition Moderates (the free market types) on what to do. This might cause another swing towards the Right if the Moderates play their cards right. Sweden is going to have to do spending cuts, whether they like it or not. If they don’t, then things will go haywire, again.

Sanders also likes to bring up the fact Sweden has “tuition free universities.” But the math doesn’t add up. Here’s what The Atlantic found in 2013:

But students there still end up with a lot of debt. The average at the beginning of 2013 was roughly 124,000 Swedish krona ($19,000). Sure, the average US student was carrying about 30% more, at $24,800.

But remember: Free. College in Sweden is free. That’s not even all that common in Europe anymore. While the costs of education are far lower than in the US, over the past two decades sometimes-hefty fees have become a fact of life for many European students. Britain got them in 1998 . Some German states instituted them after a federal ban on student fees was overturned in the courts…And yet, students in Germany and the UK have far lower debts than in Sweden. And 85% of Swedish students graduate with debt, versus only 50% in the US. Worst of all, new Swedish graduates have the highest debt-to-income ratios of any group of students in the developed world (according to estimates of what they’re expected to earn once they get out of school)–somewhere in the neighborhood of 80%. The US, where we’re constantly being told that student debt is hitting crisis proportions, the average is more like 60%…

The reason why is because of rent, food, beer, etc. And guess what? The Atlantic found out Swedish students are STILL taking out student loans.

According to data collected by the OECD, despite nonexistent tuition costs, Sweden has a virtually 100% uptake rate on student aid. That’s why Sweden is all by itself in the bottom right corner of this chart, although its Nordic neighbors are not far behind.

The facts are this: Sanders’ claim that the “Swedish model works” aren’t true at all. Sweden rejected it in the 1990’s. Sanandaji sums things up pretty nicely at CapX.

The failure of third way policies is well known amongst both academics and politicians in the country, and can in turn explain the enthusiasm for market reform that the country has experienced since the early 1990s. It is perhaps surprising how the myth of Sweden’s successful socialist system lives on abroad, decades after state control over the economy was rejected in the country itself.

So what’s the solution for Americans? Bringing this up and pointing out just how wrong Sanders and Hillary Clinton are. The “Swedish model” is a myth! It’s not real! Those on the Right need to bring this up over and over and over again. It can put Sanders, Clinton, and the rest of the Democrats on the defensive. They can’t defend something which doesn’t exist because it failed miserably! The best panacea for democratic socialism is unfettered free markets and less government spending. THAT’S what the Right in America needs to be pushing if they have the testicular fortitude to do so.


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All socialists and marxists should be made to live like the sheeple they fool.

Schadenfreude on October 19, 2015 at 10:46 AM

Anyone who promotes socialism and marxism can do so, with your own money.

Tlaloc and your other sheeple, go first.

Also, I hope you all choke from it.

That includes the Rs squishes too.

Schadenfreude on October 19, 2015 at 10:47 AM

Look how the rich azzhats promote “equality”, while they live like the 1%rs.

All who promote socialism and marxism, and don’t give all they have away, should be literally pitchforked.

Go after them, you stupid masses of foolish sheeple.

Schadenfreude on October 19, 2015 at 10:48 AM

Calling a Swedish or a Scandinavian anything but a socialist will get them offended.

Everything is free over there if you are a citizen.

Free housing, Free college, free everything.
Why do you think the barbarians from the Muslim world are trooping to Western Europe? Nothing beats free.

weedisgood on October 19, 2015 at 10:49 AM

Margaret Thatcher once said that “The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money.”

Well, this is not enough. The PC and socialism and marxism promoters must be squished like the leeches they are. Otherwise they’ll kill you.

Schadenfreude on October 19, 2015 at 10:50 AM

Those aren’t the kind of “Swedish Models” you’re suppose to fantasize about, Bernie.

Flange on October 19, 2015 at 10:51 AM

The keep using that word ‘free’.
I don’t think it means what they think it means.

LoganSix on October 19, 2015 at 10:51 AM

Everything is free over there if you are a citizen.

Nothing is free, you choomed idiot.

Free housing, Free college, free everything.
Why do you think the barbarians from the Muslim world are trooping to Western Europe? Nothing beats free.

weedisgood on October 19, 2015 at 10:49 AM

Nothing is free. You’re right on the barbarians and hopefully they lob off a bunch of important heads over there so the fools wake up.

Schadenfreude on October 19, 2015 at 10:52 AM

Someone said “Swedish Model doesn’t work”? Try these, I swear they WILL.

Rix on October 19, 2015 at 10:52 AM

Political correctness is an illogical doctrine, cultivated by a delusional minority, promoted by the mass-media, which maintains that it is possible to grab a piece of shit by its clean end.

Kill PC and the socialist/marxist bs, or they will destroy and kill you.

Schadenfreude on October 19, 2015 at 10:53 AM

Tiger Wood lost a lot because of a Swedish model and his own stupidity. Bernie is going down the same path.

RSbrewer on October 19, 2015 at 10:54 AM

Focus Rix, focus :)

Schadenfreude on October 19, 2015 at 10:54 AM

Confiscate all the holdings of the promoters of socialism and communism, first.

Hillary is a big empty blob, following a moron, and ruining the US further.

Fight them all like your life depends on it.

Schadenfreude on October 19, 2015 at 10:55 AM

Another take:

http://thefederalist.com/2015/10/16/the-united-states-is-already-at-least-as-socialist-as-denmark/

The World Bank’s “Doing Business” report measures the ease of doing business around the world on a scale from 0 (worst) to 100 (best). In 2015, Denmark scored 84.2, while the United States scored 81.98. As such, Denmark had the fourth most-welcoming business environment in the world and the United States the seventh. Put differently, Denmark is embracing the private sector with greater gusto than the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Hell, maybe Bernie is on to something.

HumpBot Salvation on October 19, 2015 at 11:02 AM

My wife is Swedish and her brother is an entrepreneur. The tax rate he pays is lower than the one I pay in the United States. Why? Because they found out that in order to survive, high rates don’t work.

Now when the latest wave of immigration hits them, watch out for another lesson.

itsspideyman on October 19, 2015 at 11:07 AM

So, we’re not talking about Swedish Bikini Models, are we?
Dang…..

dentarthurdent on October 19, 2015 at 11:09 AM

My wife is Swedish and her brother is an entrepreneur.
itsspideyman on October 19, 2015 at 11:07 AM

So, they’re only, like half-siblings…… right?
;)

dentarthurdent on October 19, 2015 at 11:10 AM

This nation is lost at sea this Marxist clown could win!

Clinton / Castro 2016

Because we are so self-loathing we must be beaten into submission!!!

PappyD61 on October 19, 2015 at 11:10 AM

Tiger Wood lost a lot because of a Swedish model and his own stupidity. Bernie is going down the same path.

RSbrewer on October 19, 2015 at 10:54 AM

I think it had less to do with the Swedish model and more with The Tiger being so goddamn promiscuous. What shocked me most was that his wife was drop-dead, scorching-earth gorgeous, and the women he cheated on her with varied between moderately attractive and downright ugly.

Rix on October 19, 2015 at 11:13 AM

This is the kind of analysis that libertarians do brilliantly. Nice piece, Taylor.

Joseph K on October 19, 2015 at 11:15 AM

Bernie fossilized around 1975 and hasn’t learned anything new since. He’s an anachronism who has convinced the Left’s historical ignoramuses that he’s offering something new.

Oh, Sweden is now the rape capital of the Western world because they too haven’t learned all that much from history, despite having somewhat come to their senses on economic issues.

RadClown on October 19, 2015 at 11:19 AM

The Islamist invasion of Europe will change everything and socialism will soon be the least of their problems. It will just help speed up their destruction.

It will not end the way Merkel bullshits the fools, now. The media are suppressed from telling the truth. Zuckerberg helps Merkel to suppress the opposition, for now.

She now promotes the inclusion of Turkey into the EU, per her obama lover’s wishes, against the will of every single EU country.

Schadenfreude on October 19, 2015 at 11:26 AM

Thank you.
This is a far better approach than what I see often conservatives take where they accuse Sanders of proposing we become like Russia, or Cuba, or North Korea or Venezuela. He is proposing nothing of the kind and our side looks foolish when they accuse him of it. Much better to show how bad his actual examples are doing.

mdavt on October 19, 2015 at 11:28 AM

The other mantra

It’s really cold outside, they are calling it a major freeze, weeks ahead of normal. Man, we could use a big fat dose of global warming!

Schadenfreude on October 19, 2015 at 11:35 AM

Suicide of the Western culture

Schadenfreude on October 19, 2015 at 11:37 AM

Update needed

Anti-immigration party wins Swiss election in ‘slide to the Right’
Anti-immigration Swiss People’s Party (SVP) wins biggest share of vote in parliamentary election on Sunday, prompting talk of a “Rechtsrutsch” – a “slide to the Right”

Schadenfreude on October 19, 2015 at 11:39 AM

The Swiss are not as stupid as the rest of the Europeans, hence NO EU bs.

But, the rest are waking up too. It will not go Sanders’ and Hillary’s way.

obama and Hillary will have lots of blood on their hands.

The destabilization of the ME is on their heads.

Merkel is their biggest minion.

Schadenfreude on October 19, 2015 at 11:42 AM

SANDERS WOULD RAISE PAYROLL TAXES ON EVERYONE TO FUND PAID FAMILY LEAVE

But, but, but, Socialism is great, everything is free, and only the evil rich have to pay!!!

Bishbop on October 19, 2015 at 11:43 AM

Damn that misleading headline. I thought this article would be about blondes in bikinis. With pictures.

coolway on October 19, 2015 at 11:46 AM

I say let the Democrats continue building on this teetering platform until after they’ve selected the nominee, then give it a shove and watch it collapse in the post-nomination national debates, when the whole nation is finally giving some serious attention.

For now let the Democrats have all the rope they want.

s1im on October 19, 2015 at 11:49 AM

Calling a Swedish or a Scandinavian anything but a socialist will get them offended.

Everything is free over there if you are a citizen.

Free housing, Free college, free everything.
Why do you think the barbarians from the Muslim world are trooping to Western Europe? Nothing beats free.

weedisgood on October 19, 2015 at 10:49 AM

As someone with Swedish relatives, I can say without question that you are a fool.

itsspideyman on October 19, 2015 at 11:51 AM

Try living in Malmo if you’re not muslim.

Bishop on October 19, 2015 at 11:56 AM

THAT’S what the Right in America needs to be pushing if they have the testicular fortitude to do so.

Well, there’s your problem.

Bat Chain Puller on October 19, 2015 at 11:58 AM

Calling a Swedish or a Scandinavian anything but a socialist will get them offended.

Everything is free over there if you are a citizen.

Free housing, Free college, free everything.
Why do you think the barbarians from the Muslim world are trooping to Western Europe? Nothing beats free.

weedisgood on October 19, 2015 at 10:49 AM

Then why are you still here? GTFO.

Nutstuyu on October 19, 2015 at 12:00 PM

But students there still end up with a lot of debt.

Just like Brits still can end up bankrupt because of an illness even though the NHS is ‘free’*!

* ‘Free’ at the point of service, but definitely not at the point your employer deducts the extremely high insurance tax.

Bishbop on October 19, 2015 at 12:01 PM

Calling a Swedish or a Scandinavian anything but a socialist will get them offended.

Everything is free over there if you are a citizen.

Free housing, Free college, free everything.
Why do you think the barbarians from the Muslim world are trooping to Western Europe? Nothing beats free.

weedisgood on October 19, 2015 at 10:49 AM

If everything is free and no one pays for anything, then where do Scandinavian governments get the money for all of the freebies?

We’ll wait.

Bishbop on October 19, 2015 at 12:02 PM

Then why are you still here? GTFO.

Nutstuyu on October 19, 2015 at 12:00 PM

I’m not Swedish.

The Muslims are trooping to Europe because nothing beats free.
Anyone who says Scandinavian countries are not socialist is a liar.

weedisgood on October 19, 2015 at 12:06 PM

Everything is free over there if you are a citizen.

Free housing, Free college, free everything.

weedisgood on October 19, 2015 at 10:49 AM

The Swedish definition of ‘Free’:

An individual’s income is divided into 3 categories: business income, employment income and capital income.

Business (corporate) income effective corporate tax rate is only 26.3% compared to the 35% U.S. corporate tax rate and average effective combined Federal and state rate of 39.3%.

There are only two tax rates for income generated from employment: 20% and 25%. In the United States, 10%, 15%, 25%, 28%, 33%, and 35%.

Capital income (capital gains and dividends) is taxed at 30% or 21% if offsetting losses exceed $14,524.80, as opposed to 15% on both in the United States. Unlike business and employment income, capital income is NOT subject to municipal, funeral or church taxes. Furthermore, capital income can be offset against both or either employment and business losses.

Individuals pay both national income tax and municipal income tax. In 2010, individual income tax rates in Sweden change between 54% and 61%. The maximum, average, combined income and social security tax for high earners is 57.77% (including mandatory pension contributions), but in the United States, the top 5% can pay as much as 58%, depending on income taxes in their home states and municipalities.

In 2010:

The national income tax for incomes between $53,497.27 and $76,586.78 was 20%.

The national income tax for incomes in excess of $76,586.78 was 25%.

Average municipal tax rate by 2010 is 31.56%.

Average contribution to the Swedish Church, excluding funeral fee is 0.99%

Average funeral fee is 0.22%

National Income Tax: 20/25%

AVERAGE TAX RATE: 57.77%

Sweden does have a 25% VAT, which is a horribly regressive tax that hurts the poorest the most.

In 2004, the Swedish Parliament, after considering reports by the Swedish Tax Office that the death tax and its companion, the wealth tax, had already cost the government a staggering $200-plus billion in lost revenue – more than half the current Swedish GDP – Swedish policymakers realised that the inheritance tax was a recipe for economic disaster. Accordingly, the Swedish people – including the labour unions – put ideology and party labels behind them and the government repealed the inheritance/estate/death tax.

On 16 December 2004, the Riksdag also repealed all gift taxes.

In March 2007, Sweden abolished the 1.5% wealth tax. At the time, it was only one of 4 remaining countries in the OECD that continued to tax wealth.

Progressives love to harp about the GINI coefficient and the alleged rape of the poor inflicted by the Bush tax cuts. During the mid-2000s, the OECD average GINI score was 45. The GINI coefficient for the US was 46 and it was 43 in Sweden — not exactly night and day.

“Weak growth means that Sweden has lost greatly in prosperity compared with the United States…Black people, who have the lowest income in the United States, now have a higher standard of living than an ordinary Swedish household,” said the trade group’s chief economist, Robert Gidehag.

If Sweden were an American state, it would be the poorest as measured by household income, said Gidehag. The median income of African-American households was about 70% of the median for all American households, while Swedish household median income was just 68%.

Bishbop on October 19, 2015 at 12:07 PM

Continuing on with the Swedish definition of ‘Free’:

Let’s play a game: It’s called “Compare the tax rates of Olav, Inga, Sven, Ilse and Viktoria, who live in the Sollefteå Kommun in Sweden, to the average, middle class American, who American Progressives claim pays 40.3% (25% Federal income tax plus 15.3% payroll tax) — which is incorrect anyway, because the middle class doesn’t pay a 15.3% payroll tax — that is, unless Progs want to finally admit that taxes on businesses are passed onto employees (through lower wages/benefits) and/or pensioners (retired school teachers) and/or shareholders (union pension fund, individuals with 401ks) and/or consumers).” Olav earns $55,000, Inga earns $100,000, Sven earns $150,000, Ilse earns $250,000, and Viktoria earns $1,000,000,000. For ease, we will not consider any deductions or marginality and all income comes from employment.

Olav lives in Sollefteå and earns $55,000: 56%

Olav lives in America and earns $55,000: 30.3% (ONLY FEDERAL AND FICA TAXES)

Inga lives Sollefteå and earns $100,000: 61%

Inga lives in America and earns $100,000: 40.3% (ONLY FEDERAL AND FICA TAXES)

Sven lives Sollefteå and earns $150,000: 61%

Sven lives in America and earns $150,000: 43.3% (ONLY FEDERAL AND FICA TAXES)

Ilse lives Sollefteå and earns $250,000: 61%

Ilse lives in America and earns $250,000: 48.3% (ONLY FEDERAL AND FICA TAXES)

Viktoria lives Sollefteå and earns $1,000,000,000: 61%

Viktoria lives in America and earns $1,000,000,000: 50.3% (ONLY FEDERAL AND FICA TAXES)

As you can see, the progressivity is much, much greater under the American tax system than under the Swedish model.

Now, let’s assume that all income save that of Viktoria’s comes from employment. Her income is derived from capital – capital gains and/or dividends – which is exempt from the national income tax, which was 20/25%, and the maximum municipal tax rate, including contribution to the Swedish Church and funeral fee, which was 36%.

Olav lives in Sollefteå and earns $55,000: His tax rate is 56%.

Inga lives Sollefteå and earns $100,000: Her tax rate is 61%.

Sven lives Sollefteå and earns $150,000: His tax rate is 61%.

Ilse lives Sollefteå and earns $250,000: Her tax rate is 61%.

Viktoria lives Sollefteå and earns $1,000,000,000: Her tax rate is 30%.

In 2010 in Sweden:

Person A, who earned $75,000 from employment, had a 20% national income tax rate.

Person B, who earned $100,000 from employment, had a 25% national income tax rate.

Person C, who earned $1,000,000,000 from dividends and capital gains, paid a 30% tax rate…

BUT:

Person A and Person B also paid an average municipal tax rate of 31.56%.

Person C paid NO municipal tax.

Person A and Person B also paid an average contribution to the Swedish Church of 0.99%.

Person C paid NO contribution to the Swedish Church.

Person A and Person B also paid an average funeral fee of 0.22%

Person C paid NO funeral fee.

When A, B, and C die, no taxes whatsoever will be paid on their estates whether they are worth $1 or $1,000,000,000.

Bishbop on October 19, 2015 at 12:09 PM

I’m not Swedish.

The Muslims are trooping to Europe because nothing beats free.
Anyone who says Scandinavian countries are not socialist is a liar.

weedisgood on October 19, 2015 at 12:06 PM

Why are you doubling down on stupid?

itsspideyman on October 19, 2015 at 12:30 PM

Come on it isn’t important whether it works or not. It is just the liberal thing to do and it is the thought that counts, not whether it works or not.

pwb on October 19, 2015 at 12:35 PM

Read S..L..O..W..L..Y
IT REFLECTS THE FEELINGS OF A LOT OF PEOPLE.
The folks who are getting the free stuff don’t like
The folks who are paying for the free stuff, because
The folks who are paying for the free stuff can no longer
Afford to pay for both the free stuff and their own stuff.
And the folks who are paying for the free stuff
Want the free stuff to stop.
And the folks who are getting the free stuff want even more
Free stuff on top of the free stuff they are already getting!
Now… The people who are forcing the people to pay
For the free stuff have told the people who are RECEIVING
The free stuff that the people who are PAYING for the
Free stuff are being mean, prejudiced, and racist.
So… The people who are GETTING the free stuff have been
Convinced they need to hate the people who are paying for the
Free stuff by the people who are forcing some people to pay for their free
stuff
and giving them the free stuff in the first place.
We have let the free stuff giving go on for so long that there are now more
people getting free stuff
than paying for the Free stuff.
Now understand this.
All great democracies have committed financial suicide somewhere between 200
and 250 years after being founded.

The reason?
The voters figured out they could vote themselves money from the treasury by
electing people
who promised to give them money from the treasury in exchange for electing
them.
The United States officially became a Republic in 1776, 238 years ago.
The number of people now getting free stuff
Outnumbers the people paying for the free stuff.
Failure to change that spells the end of the United States
As we know it.

ELECTION 2016 IS COMING
A Nation of Sheep Breeds a Government of Wolves
Take a Stand!!!

Obama: Gone!
Borders: Closed!
Laws: Constitution, and the Bill of Rights!
Drug Free: Mandatory Drug Screening before Welfare!
NO freebies to: Non-Citizens!

Schadenfreude on October 19, 2015 at 12:41 PM

Why are you doubling down on stupid?

itsspideyman on October 19, 2015 at 12:30 PM

I’m having a hard time understanding how conservatives got this notion that Scandinavia is not socialist.

In those countries “capitalism” is a bad word in politics.

weedisgood on October 19, 2015 at 12:43 PM

So what’s the solution for Americans? Bringing this up and pointing out just how wrong Sanders and Hillary Clinton are. The “Swedish model is a myth.

Well, you can expect only Trump or Cruz will heed your advice.

Cleombrotus on October 19, 2015 at 12:50 PM

weedisgood on October 19, 2015 at 10:49 AM

As someone with Swedish relatives, I can say without question that you are a fool.

itsspideyman on October 19, 2015 at 11:51 AM

Pfft! You don’t need relatives from anywhere to figure that out!

Judge_Dredd on October 19, 2015 at 1:25 PM

A serious Republican candidate would memorize the facts in this article and HAMMER it home to the Democrats. Call them out by name and make them answer. I’m not holding my breath.

Decoski on October 19, 2015 at 1:26 PM

Lol…a lot of these posts are funny and are of no merit.

Bernie “The Curmudgeon Muppet” will never be elected as the POTUS nor will any admitted socialist be one.

Now, the closet socialists in the Demo-rat party – that’s another matter to be concerned with.

Cherokee on October 19, 2015 at 1:49 PM

I’m having a hard time understanding how conservatives got this notion that Scandinavia is not socialist.

In those countries “capitalism” is a bad word in politics.

weedisgood on October 19, 2015 at 12:43 PM

For many years, the Progressive-Socialist Left has pointed to the “Swedish Model” upon which to build ideal economies and societies. Far too often, however, “foreigners have drawn the wrong lessons from Sweden’s success.”

“Whenever I give a lecture, anywhere in Europe, about economic reform, I always get the following response: ‘But you come from Sweden, which is socialist and successful—why should we launch free-market policies ?’ The simple truth is that Sweden is not Socialist.”

– Johnny Munkhammar, a Moderate Party member of the Swedish Parliament and the author of “The Guide to Reform”

Bishbop on October 19, 2015 at 2:15 PM

I’m having a hard time understanding how conservatives got this notion that Scandinavia is not socialist.

In those countries “capitalism” is a bad word in politics.

weedisgood on October 19, 2015 at 12:43 PM

And I’m here to tell you, in-laws are in Sweden and they fully understand that without capitalism, socialism doesn’t exist. My brother-in-law sold his business to IBM for a tidy 7 million dollar profit, my uncle-in-law owns a business warehouse, and they pay substantially less taxes than the average American

Capitalism is the way it works in Scandinavia; trust me, I know of what I speak.

itsspideyman on October 19, 2015 at 2:21 PM

Capitalism is the way it works in Scandinavia; trust me, I know of what I speak.

itsspideyman on October 19, 2015 at 2:21 PM

There are no capitalists in Scandinavia. Just socialists.
The new Muslim immigrants won’t believe their luck once they are granted full residency. They will probably bring over all their family members to enjoy some of the free lunch.

The Syrians are avoiding Eastern Europe and heading to the West because of the benefits.

weedisgood on October 19, 2015 at 4:50 PM