Good news: 49% of Democrats have favorable opinion of socialism, 37% have favorable opinion of capitalism

posted at 8:01 pm on October 19, 2015 by Allahpundit

Is this what it means to “feel the Bern”? Here are the numbers when YouGov asked this question in May

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…and here’s where they are when they asked again this week.

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From equal support for socialism and capitalism to a six-point swing in favor of the commies. That must be the Bernie effect. Although, in that case, how to explain the seven-point dip in Republican support for capitalism? I’m tempted to call that noise, which raises the possibility that the Democratic swing is noise too. Then again, when Democrats are asked whether Sanders calling himself a socialist makes them more or less likely to vote for him, 20 percent say more versus just six percent who say less. And when Democratic voters are asked to describe themselves politically, you get … this:

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What you’re seeing here among Dems (and independents) isn’t a strong swing towards redefining themselves as socialist, I think, so much as it is the term “socialist” losing any stigma it may have held. Around 20 percent of the party, likely the self-defined “progressive” left, is comfortable being thought of as socialist. A 14 percent rump in the center disdains the label. Everyone else is indifferent. Perhaps that was inevitable now that we’re 25 years removed from the dissolution of the USSR, with memories of revolutionary socialism having faded and been replaced with smiley-face domestic initiatives like “free” college for everyone and happy talk at Democratic debates about Denmark (which, actually, is less socialist in some ways than the United States is). One of the more lasting aftershocks of Sandersmania this year on the left may be a fuller rehabilitation of the term “socialist” for young liberals. Sanders fielded a question yesterday about how he defines the term and is promising a fuller treatment soon in the form of a major speech. Making leftists comfortable with the term “socialism” by slapping the label on garden-variety progressive programs might be a clever first step to making them more comfortable over time with socialism’s grander utopian ambitions. Or maybe Sanders himself is just frustrated with the vagueness of the term. According to a Reason poll taken last year, 26 percent of tea partiers described themselves as socialist. No joke. Perhaps, for some sizable chunk of the population, after listening to conservatives sporadically describe Obama as “socialist,” they’ve deduced that it’s really just a synonym for “liberal.” Poor Bernie — he’s trying so hard to out-progressive Obama and they still end up lumped under the same heading.

Here he is yesterday trying to define the term.


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“When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.”

― Benjamin Franklin

Rod on October 19, 2015 at 8:02 PM

Sheeple

Schadenfreude on October 19, 2015 at 8:03 PM

Socialism: “if somebody’s got more stuff than you, just vote to take it away from them”

Nephew Sam on October 19, 2015 at 8:06 PM

Good news: 49% of Democrats have favorable opinion of socialism, 37% have favorable opinion of capitalism

…so they want to call communism…socialism now?…………let them control the definition too?

JugEarsButtHurt on October 19, 2015 at 8:07 PM

I think, so much as it is the term “socialist” losing any stigma it may have held.

A stigma to the point of minority is my only hope for them. Failed philosophy will always be a failure.

Bmore on October 19, 2015 at 8:08 PM

Bernie is right that socialist is not a dirty word anymore. Most people think of Denmark, not Ecuador, when they hear that word. But because the US is racially much closer to Ecuador, that is what socialism would end up looking like.

HugoDrax on October 19, 2015 at 8:09 PM

I am fine referring to them as socialist. Party of S

Bmore on October 19, 2015 at 8:09 PM

How about Ben Carson on Republican Socialism?

“It is possible to extract socialism’s positive aspects and actually implement them within capitalism.” -Ben Carson, 2011

Just yesterday on This Week Carson answered he still believes that socialism has mertit: one example Carson gave: FREE medical school: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VREQ_5VzVWk&i=CarsonOnABC

We assume also that Carson agrees with Bernie on free undergraduate and community college for all.

Most notably it seems Carson wants to implement his socialist idea in medical care: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2013/03/ben_carsons_views_on_health_care_problematic.html

anotherJoe on October 19, 2015 at 8:10 PM

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canopfor on October 19, 2015 at 8:10 PM

Many confuse socialism and free shit. The latter ends when free money runs out. Then the former begins for real.

Rix on October 19, 2015 at 8:11 PM

Ask the real question:

“Do you feel like you should earn your own keep, or that others are responsible for providing you with what you want?”

BobMbx on October 19, 2015 at 8:11 PM

There’s your answer, folks. If only half of the Insane Clown Party like the word “Socialism”, then you simply tar and feather the other half and all of the Dem pols as Socialists in all but name. Divide and mutilate.

Jaibones on October 19, 2015 at 8:12 PM

Ugh, a retread who has been retreaded so many times he might as well be tucking flowers in his hair and warbling the theme song to “Brother Sun, Sister Moon”.

Good Lawd, this guy.

Bishop on October 19, 2015 at 8:13 PM

Let’s see. 49% of 35% is about 17%. and if half the registered voters don’t vote the remainder is about 8%. Eight percent of the people of voting age have a favorable opinion of socialism. Way to go Salem, and by inference Hot Air. Keep up the propaganda. I think you will have us convinced in about six or seven election cycles.

Salem, why don’t you sell off Hot Air so we can get back to Ed Morrissey’s Captain’s Quarters. They will survive quite well without your publisher’s editorializing.

Old Country Boy on October 19, 2015 at 8:13 PM

I think it’s a good thing that people are finally admitting what they really are.

Fox forced the rest of the media to stop pretending whose side they were really on.

Bernie Sanders has given license to a large segment of America to show what they really are………..socialists.

AYNBLAND on October 19, 2015 at 8:13 PM

Public school indoctrination has taken hold

rbj on October 19, 2015 at 8:16 PM

Typical Lock Step Talky Pointys!!

canopfor on October 19, 2015 at 8:17 PM

Heck, just elect the dude. I don’t agree with him on plenty of the issues but he’s right, the wealth has already been re-distributed.

DoNotPanic on October 19, 2015 at 8:18 PM

Socialism is just the non-threatening term for “pre-dictatorship” because history has chosen to grace us with real examples of exactly that happening when the free-crap parade inevitably comes to an end.

Bishop on October 19, 2015 at 8:20 PM

49% of Democrats have favorable opinion of socialism

Proof positive that Democrats are filthy parasites. Takers in society who ask not what they can do for others but what free “stuff” they can get others to pay for.

Happy Nomad on October 19, 2015 at 8:21 PM

It’s really not that bad, considering how many years they’ve been pitching it in hot. Maybe the same-sex “marriage” package (the complete social package) sells because it’s about the people next door, but wholesale progressivism stalls because it’s about what happens in your bank account. Maybe like that Beatles song:

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it’s evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don’t you know that you can count me out

Only something like:

You say you want to build Utopia
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about making me not have AC
Dun you know that you can not call me

Axe on October 19, 2015 at 8:23 PM

100% of democrats have no idea how economics and free markets work.
Or that free market capitalism lifts people out of poverty. or that socialism is slavery.

AprilApple on October 19, 2015 at 8:28 PM

Hillary supporters like crony capitalism.

AprilApple on October 19, 2015 at 8:29 PM

I’ve referred to them for quite some time now The Gimmedats have risen from the ashes of the 30’s with Alger Hiss and his defenders as models. The education of the masses (Public Schools & Universities) have been working this issue since the 1960’s.

My advice to the Gimmedats … go for Communism it is after all simply Socialism that’s in a big hurry.

Killary/Sanders 2016

Stupid Americans

Missilengr on October 19, 2015 at 8:29 PM

The 4% of Republicans that identify as Socialist should be happy with what the party is doing.

David Blue on October 19, 2015 at 8:30 PM

It’s stories like these that make me want to vote for any of the Republican candidates should he/she win the nomination (except Jeb Bush–I’d have to be drunk and high at the same time to pull the lever for him).

Aizen on October 19, 2015 at 8:31 PM

Let’s see. 49% of 35% is about 17%. and if half the registered voters don’t vote the remainder is about 8%. Eight percent of the people of voting age have a favorable opinion of socialism. Way to go Salem, and by inference Hot Air. Keep up the propaganda. I think you will have us convinced in about six or seven election cycles.

Salem, why don’t you sell off Hot Air so we can get back to Ed Morrissey’s Captain’s Quarters. They will survive quite well without your publisher’s editorializing.

Old Country Boy on October 19, 2015 at 8:13 PM

Your math isn’t even close to right.

You start out well. The Democrats in favor of socialism are indeed about 17.5% of the electorate. But you also need to look at Indies and Repubs.

If Indies are another 35%, and 18% of them are in favor of socialism, that’s another 6.3% of the electorate.

And if Repubs are the remaining 30%, and 11% of them are in favor of socialism, that’s another 3.3% of the electorate.

For a total of 17.5 + 6.3 + 3.3= 27.1% of the electorate.

And if half of those vote…well, it’s still 27.1% of the voters, unless you have some evidence that the people who actually vote are less likely to be in favor of socialism.

So, instead of 8%, it’s 27.1%. I would say that’s a large enough number to be taken seriously.

Chris of Rights on October 19, 2015 at 8:36 PM

…we can get back to Ed Morrissey’s Captain’s Quarters. They will survive quite well without your publisher’s editorializing.

Old Country Boy on October 19, 2015 at 8:13 PM

Memories….Captain’s Quarters let me here.

Mimzey on October 19, 2015 at 8:37 PM

MeanWhile,…in the Land of the Beavers:

Eection Night 2015
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InComing Results:
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http://www.cbc.ca/includes/federalelection/dashboard/index.html

canopfor on October 19, 2015 at 8:39 PM

The problem is too many people have no idea of what Socialism really is and the difference between Capitalism and Socialism. Fox did the Luntz focus group after the debate, and one woman said we are a socialist country not capitalist because we have police and fireman. This is really an example of low information voter.

Right in Ohio on October 19, 2015 at 8:44 PM

…we can get back to Ed Morrissey’s Captain’s Quarters. They will survive quite well without your publisher’s editorializing.

Old Country Boy on October 19, 2015 at 8:13 PM

Old Country Boy:)

http://captained.blogs.com/

canopfor on October 19, 2015 at 8:45 PM

The only reason these other “major” countries have the money to pay for their “free stuff” is because the USA protects their national security through our taxes.

What are they going to do when the USA has to stop providing that because we are giving college educations away for “free”?

ladyingray on October 19, 2015 at 8:46 PM

Poor idiotic Bastards dont understand iphones, Google, Windows and social networking sites dont ever get developed in a Socialist Countries.

Privatize It on October 19, 2015 at 8:49 PM

canopfor on October 19, 2015 at 8:39 PM

canopfor,

With all due respect, we “Muricans” can’t decipher your political system. What the hell is a riding? :0

Just give us the bottom line- are you all going to be governed by commies or not?

Happy Nomad on October 19, 2015 at 8:49 PM

For second time in a week the Bern opts out of a position that would give him a significant advantage over cackles?

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5623b601e4b08589ef47bdaa

kunegetikos on October 19, 2015 at 8:52 PM

canopfor on October 19, 2015 at 8:39 PM

canopfor,

With all due respect, we “Muricans” can’t decipher your political system. What the hell is a riding? :0

Just give us the bottom line- are you all going to be governed by commies or not?

Happy Nomad on October 19, 2015 at 8:49 PM

Happy Nomad: Lol, its a area. Boinking Libs just took the
East Coast:)

An electoral district in Canada, also known as a “constituency” or a “riding”, is a geographical constituency upon which Canada’s representative democracy is based. It is officially known in Canadian French as a circonscription, but frequently called a comté (county).

Each federal electoral districts returns one Member of Parliament (MP) to the Canadian House of Commons; each provincial or territorial electoral district returns one representative — called, depending on the province or territory, Member of the Legislative Assembly (MLA), Member of the National Assembly (MNA), Member of Provincial Parliament (MPP) or Member of the House of Assembly (MHA) — to the provincial or territorial legislature.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_district_%28Canada%29

canopfor on October 19, 2015 at 8:58 PM

Thank a teacher..

celt on October 19, 2015 at 9:01 PM

An electoral district in Canada, also known as a “constituency” or a “riding”, is a geographical constituency upon which Canada’s representative democracy is based.

canopfor on October 19, 2015 at 8:58 PM

So is it like the UK where the candidates for a particular riding does not actually have to be a resident of constituency?

Happy Nomad on October 19, 2015 at 9:06 PM

Our country is broken…

d1carter on October 19, 2015 at 9:16 PM

ladyingray on October 19, 2015 at 8:46 PM

+1

Ironically (or maybe not so ironically), it was Ron Paul who made this argument either during the ’08 or ’12 primaries. We enable those “socialist democracies” with our foreign aid.

Aizen on October 19, 2015 at 9:22 PM

Shocking….. Many Democrats want the government to hand them others peoples money… I’m shocked I tell ya!

Caseoftheblues on October 19, 2015 at 9:47 PM

I thought I would finish my life without civil war. Looks like that is the direction we are headed. The left thinks they can brainwash our youth into thinking Socialism is not evil, buy look at the nations which have had it as their political system. Socialism only works if government is in control. A direct violation of our Constitution. Some of us, the ones with guns, will fight, then we will be done with liberalism.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on October 19, 2015 at 9:47 PM

Not to worry! The Socialists “will get it right THIS time!

Too bad we can’t just ship their asses off to Cuba and Venezuela.

GarandFan on October 19, 2015 at 9:50 PM

canopfor on October 19, 2015 at 8:58 PM

So is it like the UK where the candidates for a particular riding does not actually have to be a resident of constituency?

Happy Nomad on October 19, 2015 at 9:06 PM

Happy Nomad: Yup,…welcome to Politics,..haha:)

canopfor on October 19, 2015 at 10:07 PM

It’s not so much that socialism is attractive as capitalism is getting increasingly hard to defend. American capitalism now mostly boils down to going to a place where you’re stuck with the pay and benefits you have if they don’t get cut to pay for the CEO’s newest yacht, you get treated like $hit from coworkers and customers alike and have no recourse, and every day you pray that your pointy-haired overlords don’t see fit to outsource you all to China.

And that’s if you HAVE a full-time job with benefits. God help the man or woman looking for one.

In socialism by comparison…you kiss up to a suit from the government, don’t get promotions or raises, and the Department of Labor skips the tedious [email protected] ‘hiring process’ and just tells you where to go. And depending on the system they won’t let your boss sack you unless you REALLY screw up, in which case you get an all-expense paid trip to the gulag.

LawfulGood on October 19, 2015 at 10:13 PM

Public school education FTW!

goflyers on October 19, 2015 at 11:39 PM

Resistance is futile.

GrumpyOldFart on October 19, 2015 at 11:57 PM

disgusting tell of how well are schools teach……your fired!

losarkos on October 20, 2015 at 12:00 AM

We are all frogs in a pot of water with the burner set to slow simmer.

AppraisHer on October 20, 2015 at 2:18 AM

49% of Democrats are smoking weed and collecting free handouts. Why wouldn’t they be for socialism?

cajunpatriot on October 20, 2015 at 8:48 AM

Told ‘ya…..it’s those closet socialist Demo-rats trying to get elected (Hillary) you have to worry about.

Cherokee on October 20, 2015 at 9:45 AM

Yes, but 80% of those Dems who love socialism and hate capitalism work at capitalistic jobs. Idiots or hypocrites? Both?

DepthTested on October 20, 2015 at 3:34 PM