Chris Wallace: Establishment groups are threatening to primary House conservatives who oppose Paul Ryan

posted at 2:31 pm on October 12, 2015 by Allahpundit

Via Breitbart, this is the kind of claim that big-media types would sneer at as right-wing propaganda designed to build grassroots opposition to Ryan becoming Speaker … if it wasn’t a big-media type who was reporting it.

Outside groups spent $23 million last year trying to beat tea-party candidates in Republican primaries, with the Chamber of Commerce accounting for nearly a third of that amount. Ryan is an ideal choice for that wing of the party — anti-tax and pro-amnesty, serious about cutting spending but not above voting for TARP amid a financial crisis. He was Mitt Farking Romney’s running mate, for cripes sake. His pro-business credentials are impeccable. All of which is to say, what Wallace is alleging here isn’t implausible.

WALLACE:  Karl, I want to end on this exit question, which is that I’m told, that, you know, for all the talk of what the Freedom Caucus is demanding, Ryan knows numbers, and secondly, there’s a lot of pressure being put on by the establishment and business groups, saying that some of those Freedom Caucus members, if you’re not going to play ball and you’re not going to get involved, you’re going to get a primary opponent.

There’s a tiny bit of ambiguity there in whether Wallace means the FC members will be primaried for opposing Ryan specifically or for being obstructionist generally. He made the comment within a larger conversation about Ryan’s odds of becoming Speaker, though, so that’s what I understand him to mean. On the other hand, Breitbart’s right that the Chamber of Commerce was already planning a much larger push next year to replace some House conservatives with more business-friendly Republican moderates, so even a vote for Ryan for Speaker might not spare some of these guys from a tough primary. Although that raises a question: If the Chamber was already looking to take out some members of the Freedom Caucus for being too far right, why bring Ryan into this? All it will accomplish is to make Ryan radioactive among grassroots Republicans who are still somewhat well disposed to him. They would have been wiser to leave Ryan out of it and trust that members of the FC are already carefully weighing how far they should go in opposing favorites of the GOP’s business class.

What makes this story a big deal is that Ryan supposedly won’t agree to run for Speaker unless he has the unconditional support of the Freedom Caucus. He’s not going to negotiate with a minority of the GOP conference just to qualify for the job. If House Republicans want him by acclamation, okay, but otherwise, no. Leaking the fact that business interests are leaning on conservatives to back Ryan is the surest way to destroy that acclamation; Ryan is now cast as the crony-in-chief of the Chamber and the Freedom Caucus will face grassroots pressure not to support him lest they be seen as “selling out.” Which makes me think Ryan’s not going to end up as Speaker after all. And it also makes me think that whoever whispered this to Wallace wasn’t a Ryan ally but an adversary, using this leak to marginalize him ahead of the big vote. Or do I have that backwards? If it’s true that Ryan detests the idea of becoming Speaker, then whoever leaked this to Wallace was actually doing him a favor.

If you missed it yesterday, go read Newt Gingrich’s warning to Ryan about the Speakership. Exit quotation: “You get to keeping the government open, to a continuing resolution, then you get to the debt ceiling, if you’re not careful, by Christmas you resemble John Boehner.” Why would Ryan volunteer to be the de facto RINO-in-chief?


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Why is it okay when you do it but not when they do?

Tlaloc on October 12, 2015 at 4:49 PM

Stand by what you say, Tlaloc

The Schaef on October 12, 2015 at 5:12 PM

“Got along without you before I met you.
Gonna get along without you now”

katy the mean old lady on October 12, 2015 at 5:24 PM

so even a vote for Ryan for Speaker might not spare some of these guys from a tough primary.

Might not?
Since the CoC already announced their intention to double-down on their 2014 strategy to defeat those pesty, conservative obstructionists and now with the way the 2016 primary politics are currently playing out and Boehner’s ouster…the power-hungry CoC and their corrupt cronies are probably more than a little PO’ed and will go scorched-earth on conservative incumbents no matter what.
Conservative wins won’t be tolerated.

lynncgb on October 12, 2015 at 5:32 PM

I guess I really don’t care one way or the other. As PO’d as I’m at the GOPe, I’m also PO’d having given away multiple Senate seats (Angle, Mourdock, Aiken…). Is anyone really surprised they are not just going to sit there and take it? The solution is to put up better more qualified candidates.

Tater Salad on October 12, 2015 at 5:33 PM

This is a straightforward link:

Paul Ryan Sees House Passing ‘Path to Citizenship’

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100811317

Now here’s a link illustrating the unwavering and insidious nature of Ryan’s amnesty shilling:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/paul-ryan-working-behind-the-scenes-to-push-comprehensive-immigration-legislation/2013/07/10/e75edb2e-e8ce-11e2-a301-ea5a8116d211_story.html

anotherJoe on October 12, 2015 at 5:37 PM

How about that “failure theater” whereby GOPe tried (wink, wink) unsuccessfully (of course) to stop their allies in the IRS from crushing Tea donors? Coincidence?

kunegetikos on October 12, 2015 at 5:43 PM

As PO’d as I’m at the GOPe

Tater Salad on October 12, 2015 at 5:33 PM

What does your version of “PO’d” mean?

Pleased and overjoyed?

Redstone on October 12, 2015 at 5:47 PM

Fu*k Paul Ryan and his amnesty crap. And fu*k the RINO leadership and their drama queen threats.

Cantor – gone.
Boehner – gone.
McCarthy – gone.
Niedermeyer – Gone!

Jaibones on October 12, 2015 at 5:48 PM

Ryan does his best work behind closed-doors; sunlight is the best disinfectant for the types of things that Ryan does with Gutierrez and others who share the same views.

Redstone on October 12, 2015 at 5:49 PM

GOPe is an international corporatist and cronyist party. It is not a Conservative party

kunegetikos on October 12, 2015 at 5:51 PM

Why would anyone object to being “primaried”? If it’s a legitimate tactic for one group, isn’t it equally legit for all other groups, too?

Or are some groups just special little snowflakes who get to do as they please?

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People who only complain and have no positive alternatives to offer contribute nothing to anyone. So far, the only plan I’ve heard from the “Freedom Caucus” is “shut down the government.” It accomplishes nothing at all – even the part of the government which does shut down gets paid, all that happens is citizens are inconvenienced by closed monuments and parks and museums and offices they need to deal with. In the meantime, Obamacare, Planned Parenthood, etc., continue on at 100% funding.

If you have an actual plan that might work, we’d all love to hear it. If all you want to do is use the House for your personal tantrums, expect a primary opponent.

Adjoran on October 12, 2015 at 6:00 PM

Good past Allah, but Ryan also wants changes to the Leadership if he accepts. Until he gets that, no deal. If the stories coming from the Hill and Wisconsin are accurate, then Ryan wants McCarthy and M-Rogers gone, and he appoints his team for the duration. I’m dubious, once the leadership is out, they’re finished. No path for them in the House. The terms make it next for impossible for the leadership to stay on. Since they will not accept, Ryan will not either. It is possible(spitballing here) that Ryan is setting up a Coup. Take out the GOPe leadership faction, gutting the CoC and their backers, and clearing the way for a grand bargain among the Tea Party and two other major factions in the House.(Like I said, just spitballing.)

flackcatcher on October 12, 2015 at 6:04 PM

And we the public will primary every single establishment republican!!! Its time we stood up and voted those yahoos out who ignore the publics wishes because they’re too busy dancing in obamas pocket!

soapyjeans on October 12, 2015 at 6:10 PM

What does your version of “PO’d” mean?

Pleased and overjoyed?

Redstone on October 12, 2015 at 5:47 PM

My version is that I think government is too big and too intrusive. I was all for Taxed Enough Already Party, when that was the original goal of the TEA Party. I’m now just concerned it’s nothing more than the complaint department.

Tater Salad on October 12, 2015 at 6:18 PM

They’ll lose.

K. Hobbit on October 12, 2015 at 6:44 PM

You dumb conservatives….independents have been trying to tell you that you were being taken for a ride with your tea party nonsense. I can’t help it…

WE TOLD YOU SO!!!

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on October 12, 2015 at 6:45 PM

Aslan’s Girl Retweeted:
Linda Suhler, Ph.D. [email protected] 6m6 minutes ago
KISS OF DEATH
White House Would Like Paul Ryan As Speaker
#NoAmnesty
#SecureTheBorders
#lol
http://bit.ly/1VOLW6x

anotherJoe on October 12, 2015 at 6:50 PM

Aslan’s Girl Retweeted:
Linda Suhler, Ph.D. [email protected] 6m6 minutes ago
KISS OF DEATH
White House Would Like Paul Ryan As Speaker

First Ryan gets the Gutierrez endorsement.

Now this.

I’m not sure which is worse.

But still.. the establishment CoC bankrolled GOP-E hacks that fill the House are pushing Ryan, and they will do so until hell freezes over. Insane.

anotherJoe on October 12, 2015 at 6:54 PM

It’s on.

Tweak

It’s been on.

The GOPe has just been in denial.

Bmore on October 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM

Niedermeyer – Gone!

Jaibones on October 12, 2015 at 5:48 PM

Lolz!

Bmore on October 12, 2015 at 7:04 PM

What the Freedom Caucus really wants is to… Burn It All Down.

Then a “true conservative” majority will rise from the ashes like the fabled phoenix.

Freaking morons.

Dan333 on October 12, 2015 at 7:16 PM

Cantor is gone and he still posts on HA.

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2015 at 7:54 PM

Cantor is gone and he still posts on HA.

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2015 at 7:54 PM

Lolz! ; )

Bmore on October 12, 2015 at 7:55 PM

I guess I really don’t care one way or the other. As PO’d as I’m at the GOPe, I’m also PO’d having given away multiple Senate seats (Angle, Mourdock, Aiken…). Is anyone really surprised they are not just going to sit there and take it? The solution is to put up better more qualified candidates.

Tater Salad on October 12, 2015 at 5:33 PM

Well Aiken was the GOPe candidate, not the tea party. Angle was backed by some TEA Party groups, but I don’t think that seat was winnable anyways, and Mourdock got Lugar out, so he served his purpose.

Not sure what your gripe is.

Timin203 on October 12, 2015 at 8:00 PM

Paul Ryan is considered a right wing kook by most Democrats. And yet the Freedom Caucus doesn’t find him Conservative enough. How so many follow them down this plank, believing there is some mystical force that will provide them national support is Jim Jones loony.

Coltrane on October 12, 2015 at 8:26 PM

This would matter if there were any conservatives in the GOP

Brock Robamney on October 12, 2015 at 8:37 PM

They’ll attack them in the primaries no matter what, and Ryan claims to not want the job. What’s the story here?

S. D. on October 12, 2015 at 9:24 PM

Ryan is able to make the tough compromises- NOT what’s needed.

A NEW REPUBLICAN PARTY is needed to usher in a new period of PROSPERITY.

REAGAN: “not by simply “making room” for them, but by making certain they have a say”

Bring on the primaries.
Freedom Caucus gets bigger.
F the useless GOPe and lawless left.
TRUMP with wrecking ball!

Rea1ityCheck on October 12, 2015 at 9:28 PM

GOP establishments arrogance will cost them their seats, as we the voting public will vote them out instead!!!

soapyjeans on October 12, 2015 at 9:42 PM

Paul Ryan is considered a right wing kook by most Democrats. And yet the Freedom Caucus doesn’t find him Conservative enough.
Coltrane on October 12, 2015 at 8:26 PM

Most Democrats think Obama is a moderate and all Republicans are right- wing kooks.

I think conservatives have a little better grasp on reality.

lynncgb on October 12, 2015 at 10:03 PM

Why do these liberal bozos feel this burning compunction to post on HA? I never, ever think about writing posts on HuffPo or Perez Hilton’s site to troll you loser libs. I actually have a life and realize nobody really gives a shit about my inconsequential comments. You should join me, you miserable scabs.

Texlib on October 12, 2015 at 10:15 PM

Are these the same outside groups that have already promised to spend a gazillion dollars primarying conservative candidates anyway?

Gee, I just can’t figure out why Trump is leading in the polls! /sarc

Russ in OR on October 12, 2015 at 10:34 PM

Good for them. He’ll be Speaker for a year, and then Crazy Aunt Nancy can take over again. We aren’t voting for RINOs anymore.

Are you really so stupid that you don’t get that?

Jaibones on October 12, 2015 at 10:48 PM

Ew! I’m so scared!

SouthernGent on October 12, 2015 at 10:56 PM

If all you want to do is use the House for your personal tantrums, expect a primary opponent.

If you run a primary opponent so you can sell out the country, expect votes under Rule 308.

SDN on October 12, 2015 at 11:26 PM

And how much money did the base waste on attacking cantor, mccain, and a thousand other establishment politicians?

Why is it okay when you do it but not when they do?

Tlaloc on October 12, 2015 at 4:49 PM

I’ll treat this is an actual honest question and not just more liberal trolling, just in case any undecided types are reading the comments. “The base” is a term I’ve come to increasingly discard, because it makes the issue – the Republican Party’s voters – sound like a conspiratorial, tiny small interest group. The voters are the Republican party’s customers, not a tiny special interest group.

The issue here is that when a business does something ridiculous like attack, insult, or threaten its own customers, the customer is naturally going to go shopping elsewhere, which is what is increasingly happening to the Republican Party. Were the Republican Party made up of mature adults, they would be working’ round the clock to recover customer trust.

The Republicans aren’t mature adults, though; they’re a bunch of angry SJWs living inside a shrinking Washington hugbox with their friends, the Democrats. Conservatives aren’t some tiny special interest group; they’re the party’s core voters/customers.

I also find it fascinating to me that more and more often our liberal trolls are standing up for the Republican Party.

So you’re assuming TFC represents “the people?” Hardcore conservatives are estimated to be 30% of the GOP. So perhaps 15% of voters are sympathetic to the goals of TFC–whatever those goals may be, other than the futile gesture of shutting down the government to “make a point.” The Caucus itself includes only 1 out of every 6 Republican congressmen.

Your math is a little off, not that I’d expect anything else. Take the total number of people supporting Trump + Carson + Cruz in the polls; that’s the floor of voters not happy with the Republicans. It’s more depending on how many people have been tricked into thinking Fiorina is an insurgent.

That’s about 60%-70% of the voters your little far-left faction of the party is at war with.

IOW, the overwhelming majority of the country is NOT represented by TFC. Tom something-or-other made an important comment here a few days ago: maybe there aren’t as many hardcore conservatives in the US as most HA members seem to think there are.

No. It’s a temper tantrum. And until the members of TFC show a willingness to work with the majority to move forward–and be happy with small steps rather than demanding grand gestures–there is no reason the GOP should kowtow to their tantrums.

Meredith on October 12, 2015 at 5:05 PM

Again, it’s not contingent on the customers of a business to “compromise” with the business owners. The business owners need to work to attract customers or they’ll lose their customers. It is not the voters’ job to “compromise” with you(and by compromise, you mean meekly submit), it’s YOUR job to give the voters what they want.

The GOP has been unwilling to compromise with conservatives on ANY issue for years – if they were, you’d have seen them back moderates like Walker instead of leftists like Jeb Bush or Rubio. You guys need to get over yourselves and stop attacking your voters, or the next voter rebellion is liable to even larger and even angrier.

Doomberg on October 13, 2015 at 12:36 AM

Conservative voters are ready to retaliate against National CofC members and other “establishment groups”.

Another Drew on October 13, 2015 at 1:56 AM

Bring it.
What are you waiting for?
Bring it and die.
And just drop your BS.

Snowshooze on October 13, 2015 at 1:57 AM

This is about replacing the traditionally conservative base with the liberal progressive GOPe go along crowd. They are slow to catch on that their strategy is doomed for failure, regardless of Trump and Carson’s poll numbers

Brock Robamney on October 13, 2015 at 5:37 AM

Why do these liberal bozos feel this burning compunction to post on HA? I never, ever think about writing posts on HuffPo or Perez Hilton’s site to troll you loser libs. I actually have a life and realize nobody really gives a shit about my inconsequential comments. You should join me, you miserable scabs.

Texlib on October 12, 2015 at 10:15 PM

They are probably “sock puppets”, Tex. Good sock puppets (and the ones on here are pretty darned good) will make the threads a lot livelier and increase comments and participation. Bad ones can frustrate the regular posters so much that they stop posting. It’s a fine line.

justltl on October 13, 2015 at 7:25 AM

Why is it that when the voters disagree strenuously with the direction the GOPe leadership is taking, the establishment uses the ‘temper tantrum’ line? We’re not the children here; as Doomberg said, we’re the customers, and we’re not buying their BS any longer. If the GOP doesn’t figure this out real soon (and all indications are that they won’t), they will be finished as a relevant political party, and they will be replaced by a truly American party that puts the good of the country and the citizens above the needs of the donors.

Borealis on October 13, 2015 at 9:00 AM

Meredith on October 12, 2015 at 5:05 PM

Doomberg on October 13, 2015 at 12:36 AM

Excellent response.

Meredith, for some funny reason, doesn’t think that constituents should have their views represented in a Constitutional Republic… in other words, she doesn’t believe we should have a Constitutional Republic, but some other form of government like an Oligarchy or Monarchy. We already have drifted into a form of Oligarchy, but those us who believe we should continue as a Constitutional Republic, with representatives who represent the views of their constituent voters, are fighting back. She thinks that fighting to maintain our ideas are a “tantrum” and that we should go back to serving our Oligarchy masters, even when they advocate the most un-American socialist ideas around!

I don’t agree with Meredith, and I will fight to my last breath, even to the point of taking up arms, to defend the sanctity of our nation and our Constitutional Republic, dedicated to representing citizens and guarding our God-given Rights against tyrants seeking power.

dominigan on October 13, 2015 at 9:44 AM

Snuffing out Liberty, one representative at a time… it’s what Liberals and RINOs do.

WordsMatter on October 13, 2015 at 9:52 AM

Can someone explain why we would want another Boehner in as Speaker? And why is it wrong for Conservatives/TFC/TP to think their leaders should occasionally listen to their idea and/or give them a seat at the proverbial table?

It is beginning to seem like once again the GOP is back at the F the base they’re all crazies who don’t understand how important it is to “go along to get along. And if they don’t like it we’ll trash them and their candidates”..

Someone remind me how far we are from the “Everyone needs to fall in line or one of those scary horrible Dems will win and ruin everything. Don’t worry we hear your concerns and as soon as we get a majority we’ll be able to address some of your issues.”

katiejane on October 13, 2015 at 12:57 PM

If you have an actual plan that might work, we’d all love to hear it. If all you want to do is use the House for your personal tantrums, expect a primary opponent.

Adjoran on October 12, 2015 at 6:00 PM

You first? All plans I’ve seen in the last twenty years has been fluff or made things worse.

Ultimately, we have two peaceful and legal choices. Shut down the government and/or stop paying taxes. Power of the purse for the legislature.

The other choice is force or violence. Sort of the reason for the 2nd amendment.

What as that JFK line about revolution again?

oryguncon on October 13, 2015 at 2:04 PM

Per Roll Call, they are going to do this regardless of who is selected.

The Chamber of Commerce has reportedly budgeted $100 million to destroy the Tea Party this election cycle and news of the chamber’s plans came not-so-coincidentally days after House Speaker Rep. John Boehner (R-OH) announced that he would be resigning from Congress.

As Roll Call noted, the chamber’s “top targets in 2016 will be right-wing, tea party candidates” and its ultimate goal is to reportedly win back “the soul of the Republican Party” for the GOP establishment establishment by helping elect more moderate candidates “in contested primaries to strengthen their hand during policy debates on the Hill.”

faraway on October 12, 2015 at 2:34 PM

Exactly. That was my first thought when I read the headline to this piece, “So what else is new?”

The GOP RINO “leadership” certainly intends to attack Conservatives anyway. They started undermining Conservatives on Nov. 3, 2010, primaried Conservatives in 2012 and 2014, culminating in the open warfare over the Senate primary in Mississippi. After Mississippi, every Conservative on Capitol Hill understands what the GOPe RINOs will do and how they will try to do it. The RINOs will stop at nothing, and Conservatives can expect every dirty trick in the book. legal and illegal, to be used against them by GOP “leadership”.

I don’t see how this threat gives the RINO caucus any additional leverage. Every Conservative in the House and in the Senate can expect a primary battle with some RINO-approved tool. If they’re going to try to intimidate Conservative to support Ryan for Speaker, they’ll have to come up with some new threat.

novaculus on October 12, 2015 at 3:32 PM

Never forget that the Democrats took control of Congress in 2006 in the first place by running candidates who were MORE CONSERVATIVE than the Republicans already holding office.

That was only possible because Republicans in Congress were never as conservative as they pretended to be.

Of course, it was a total scam by the Democrats, because the liberal Democrat leadership proceeded to ignore all those conservative Democrats that won them control of Congress until the day that they … lost control of Congress.

But isn’t it basically the same story with the Republicans now? The conservatives give them control of Congress, and they proceed to ignore them and to give the Democrats what they want. But since they have to pretend to be a little conservative, they make elaborate displays of failure theater to make it look like they’re trying.

“Tea party” is a term carrying negative baggage now, and the Republicans in Congress bear as much blame for that as the progressives. They all hate the Republican base, because the Republican base wants to take away some of their power.

I believe we’ve reached the point where many Republicans in Congress are more loyal to the president than to their base.

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 13, 2015 at 3:39 PM

Why spend $100M trying to defeat Democrats when you can spend it going after members of your own party. WTF? And they wonder why 2/3 of the Republican primary voters feel betrayed.

jnelchef on October 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM

And how much money did the base waste on attacking cantor, mccain, and a thousand other establishment politicians?

Why is it okay when you do it but not when they do?

Tlaloc on October 12, 2015 at 4:49 PM

Conservative voters gave the Republicans control of Congress. It’s called representation.

The RINOs are trying to keep control of Congress, while refusing to represent the people who gave them that control of Congress.

Note that it would be “fair play” for a Democrat candidate to do fight the tea party, because they represent progressive voters. The progressive voters may be dead wrong about everything, but they are voters being represented.

But when a Republican does it, he’s betraying the voters he’s supposed to be representing.

Why do you hate the popular vote? Why do you defend the RINOs as they try to subvert it?

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 13, 2015 at 3:59 PM

lI believe, if the establishment really wants a war, let’s go for it. I would bet, at the end of that war, they would lose more seats than conservatives. Does the establishment really believe that 60% of Republicans are upset because Conservatives want to stop Obama? They really are stupid and, if they want to be this stupid, let’s go for it.

bflat879 on October 13, 2015 at 8:24 PM

“Why would Ryan volunteer to be the de facto RINO-in-chief?”

Occam’s razor.

Because Ryan wants to be the RINO-in-chief.

Merthin on October 24, 2015 at 1:33 PM