Pew: 66% of Republicans favor legal status for illegals if they meet certain requirements

posted at 8:41 pm on October 8, 2015 by Allahpundit

Every few months Pew cranks out a poll showing GOPers surprisingly warm to the idea of letting illegals stay, and every few months we scratch our heads and try to make sense of the numbers. I gave it my best shot back in June, the last time they surveyed this issue. Ask Republicans about various aspects of immigration and on most them you’ll see just the sort of border hawkishness you’d expect. They think that legal status for illegals rewards wrongdoing; they think immigrants are more likely to burden the country than benefit it; and a plurality would prefer to see legal immigration reduced than kept at the same levels or increased. Same deal with today’s poll: A clear majority of 53 percent of GOPers support ending birthright citizenship and fully 73 percent want a wall built on the border with Mexico (up from 62 percent in 2011). By comparison, just 23 and 29 percent of Democrats, respectively, agree. Republicans are exactly the sort of border enforcers we thought they were, and they’ve remained solidly so despite Dems weakening on enforcement over time. Democrats are 10 points less likely to say they want a border fence than they were in 2007 and 13 points less likely to support ending birthright citizenship.

The parties are, in order words, highly polarized. Except, oddly enough, on the most basic question related to amnesty.

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Thirty-seven percent of Republicans are willing to give illegals a path to citizenship and another 28 percent are willing to give them a path to permanent residency provided that they meet “certain requirements,” which usually means learning to speak English and paying back taxes. Even among self-described conservative Republicans, 61 percent are willing to let them stay permanently by some legal mechanism. That is … not what you’d expect, especially after the eruption of Trumpmania. In fact, here’s the most amazing number from Pew’s poll today:

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Republicans are more likely to support amnesty post-Trump than they were before he got in. Huh. Maybe that’s statistical noise or maybe some Republican centrists are moving further towards the center on immigration as a backlash to Trump, whether because they object to his “deport everyone” rhetoric or because they’re worried about the party’s image with Latino voters and are hoping that the Republican Congress corrects for it with legislation. Or maybe some element of GOPers has simply given up and resigned itself to an ever leftward political drift in the U.S. Here’s a depressing result in another poll out today, from YouGov, when people are asked whether they think America will be more liberal or more conservative in 25 years. Top line is “more liberal,” second line is “about the same,” third line is “more conservative”:

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Republicans are more likely to think the country will grow more liberal than Democrats are. Gulp.

The one consolatory detail in the Pew data on amnesty is that it doesn’t necessarily mean Republicans would agree to legal status in isolation. They almost certainly wouldn’t. If there really is 66 percent support on the right for legal status, most of it is likely would require better border security as a prerequisite. It’d be nice if Pew polled that question too next time.


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I have news for all you single-issue voters. This not the winning issue for our side. Please, for the love of God concentrate on big governent, the debt, the economy, gun rights.

eaglephin on October 8, 2015 at 10:02 PM

It is a winning issue for my side. For the love of God, the key issue

Electoral votes equal the number of Congressmen and senators in a state. The Constitution determines the number of representatives:

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.

The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at least one Representative;…Article I, Section 2, clause 3

This addition:

In 1921, Congress failed to reapportion the House membership as required by the United States Constitution. This failure to reapportion may have been politically motivated, as the newly elected Republican majority may have feared the effect such a reapportionment would have on their future electoral prospects.[10][11] Then in 1929 Congress (Republican control of both houses of congress and the presidency) passed the Reapportionment Act of 1929 which capped the size of the House at 435 (the then current number). This cap has remained unchanged for more than eight decades. Three states – Wyoming, Vermont, and North Dakota – have populations smaller than the average for a single district.
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_congressional_apportionment#Constitutional_texts

The Constitution does not specify apportionment by citizens, but apportionment by free persons. If there is a cap on congressional seats, and one state gains substantially in population, seats will move to that state, each state retaining at least one seat

This is the one and only issue to preserve the Union

Anything else, is fiddling while Rome burns

entagor on October 9, 2015 at 11:58 AM

That’s a bold and short-sighted prediction. The countries with open-ended migration systems have always been the freest. Only socialist nation-states have a need for any border controls beyond the question, “have you ever committed a crime?”

TBSchemer on October 9, 2015 at 9:22 AM

The only countries with “open-ended migration systems” are those like Somalia. If you wish to enjoy that sort of “freedom”, then by all means. I’m sure that there are plenty of us on this site who would be willing to donate to your relocation fund…just so we don’t have to listen to your sophomoric gibberish any longer.

Or better yet, maybe Rand Paul could foot the bill. I hear he was able to raise a couple thousands dollars over the past few months and let’s face it…it would certainly be a better use of the money than continuing to flush it down his farce of a campaign.

Trump supporters, on average, are less wealthy and less educated than the average Republican (who are already less wealthy and less educated than the average American).

I’d have a much easier time convincing Republicans to support liberty if the Trumpettes didn’t exist.

TBSchemer on October 9, 2015 at 9:37 AM

So the higher your education level, the more likely you are to embrace rational policies?

Is that your “argument”?

PS – yes…it’s a trap.

rvastar on October 9, 2015 at 12:08 PM

It’d be nice if Pew polled that question too next time.

Pew isn’t interested in finding out / determining what people are thinking or believe…. they’re vested in telling people how and what to think and believe.

That’s why the questions are specifically constructed as they are – with ‘certain requirements’ undefined – letting each person answering to fill in their own definition of ‘certain requirements’. For some, it could mean going to the back of the line – and leaving the country. For others, it could be just paying a fine financed by the federal government.

Athos on October 9, 2015 at 12:23 PM

rvastar on October 9, 2015 at 12:08 PM

You have just been added to the list of folks I will never debate here.

Dang, that was a good response.

HonestLib on October 9, 2015 at 12:35 PM

I don’t believe it.

ncjetsfan on October 9, 2015 at 12:48 PM

HonestLib on October 9, 2015 at 12:35 PM

Remember the scene in JFK where Costner’s character says “A physicist will tell you that an elephant can hang off the side of a cliff with his tail tied to a daisy. But use your common sense.”?

That is TBSchemer.

He’s every bit as insufferable as any Leftist, both in his constant use of self-impressing fallacious “arguments” and the way in which he allows dogmatic adherence to so-called “libertarian” ideology to disconnect him from the realities staring him in the face. Thus his incessant twaddle about “nation-states” and such. Because…you know…he could totally bring about some sort of non-nation-state…ummmm…”country”…if it weren’t for the racists Trumpers.

Just find him a cliff and a daisy….then he’ll show you.

rvastar on October 9, 2015 at 1:16 PM

I get so tired of the accusations of racism by the pro-amnesty shills. The dirty little secret you want to keep buried is that the majority of LEGAL Hispanic immigrant oppose the illegals.

Arizona Prop 300, for denying in-state tuition and other benefits to illegals passed overwhelmingly, with the majority of legal immigrant citizens voting in favor of it. This despite us having Janet “J-No” Napolitano as governor at the time, working against it.

Now the canard is “rounding them up and sending them in boxcars back to Mexico?”

You amnesty shills are shameless.

Enforce the law.
Make e-verify more efficent and mandatory, and crack down on employers who hire them.
When they are apprehended, send them back.
They will self-deport, as they do EVERY TIME we start cracking down on them in Arizona.

Illegal immigration is the most important issue we face now. In Arizona we have the Feds suing us for daring to enforce the laws. We don’t need more of that. We need support.

JannyMae on October 9, 2015 at 1:23 PM

Sure; With certain requirements.
Here are my certain requirements:

1: Go back to the hellhole that spawned them.
2: Apply through the proper channels.
3: Pay any back taxes owed.
4: Repay any US taxpayer assistance previously received.
5: Pass a test proving they speak English.
6: Prove they have a permanent full-time job awaiting them in the US.
7: Wait until all of their countrymen who have applied legally ahead of them are processed.

LegendHasIt on October 9, 2015 at 1:29 PM

HOTAIR is slowly but surely losing credibility ………

Pragmatic on October 9, 2015 at 2:06 PM

In your own mind, you are this Ayn Randian superman, …..
Skipity on October 9, 2015 at 9:58

What?
The Schemer has never written anything even slightly Randian.

Well, maybe he has written things reminiscent of Claude Slagenhop.

LegendHasIt on October 9, 2015 at 2:09 PM

Well, golly gee you have a poll so how can I refute that. Tell you what, if there are really that few deport them types out there then just ignore us, yeah that’s the ticket. Ignore us and go about your business. I’m sure you won’t have anything to worry about in the primary or the general from us and Trump.

DFCtomm on October 9, 2015 at 3:05 PM

…provided that they meet “certain requirements,” which usually means learning to speak English and paying back taxes.

Do people understand that they won’t ‘pay’ taxes? Most of them are lower income, so when they file their ‘back’ tax returns, they will get a check from the government for Earned Tax Credits and Child Care Credits.

That’s right – they’re going to get an amnesty bonus paid for by the American Taxpayer. And that’s only the beginning – from that time they’ll be eligible for all sorts of government benefits. All that cheap labor it going to cost the American taxpayer a very lot of money!

LilyBart on October 9, 2015 at 3:42 PM

That is … not what you’d expect, especially after the eruption of Trumpmania. In fact, here’s the most amazing number from Pew’s

I don’t believe this poll for a New York minute.

LilyBart on October 9, 2015 at 3:44 PM

Not all conservatives are “amnesty!” bleaters.

Some of us actually know what that word means.

FishingwFredo on October 9, 2015 at 4:50 PM

Don’t miss the irony

Schadenfreude on October 9, 2015 at 6:35 PM

Pew: 66% of Republicans favor legal status for illegals if they meet certain requirements

So, we’re being “massaged” to accept illegal immigration just as we were on gay “marriage”, and PC before, and Social Security, and welfare, and “good wars” against “evil” etc. before that.

There’s no lie most of us won’t buy into if it’s told to us often enough and comes out of the mouths of authority figures and movie/TV stars.

The trick is to not be too blatant about it. Oh, you rail against X in order to gain some support, then you slowly back off and change the argument ever so gradually in favor of X…but without actually saying you’re in favor of X.

Trump’s not going to build any damn wall. None of them are.

Dr. ZhivBlago on October 10, 2015 at 9:02 AM

75% of Mexican Americans families are on welfare.

Get that number down to where Japanese Americans are, and the “Racism” melts away.

Skipity on October 9, 2015 at 9:51 AM

Legalize them, and they’ll start climbing up to where Japanese Americans are.

TBSchemer on October 10, 2015 at 3:50 PM

Legalize them, and they’ll start climbing up to where Japanese Americans are.
TBSchemer on October 10, 2015 at 3:50 PM

You are such an ignorant git.
Lacking any culture yourself, you have no clue about how culture effects behavior.

LegendHasIt on October 10, 2015 at 10:47 PM

Pew: 66% of Republicans favor legal status for illegals if they meet certain requirements

The headline misspelled “Phew”!!

This poll reeks of “push poll” mischief, and the result is not believable.

landlines on October 11, 2015 at 12:10 PM