Video: Students think Ahmed’s clock totally looks like a bomb

posted at 6:41 pm on September 25, 2015 by Matt Vespa

So, we all know about Ahmed Mohamed’s shabby looking clock that came in a suitcase. School administrators in Texas were concerned it looked like a bomb, suspended the 14-year-old, but not after police placed him in handcuffs. It inevitably sparked controversy, where racism, Islamophobia, and profiling were drawn into this media firestorm. The White House has extended Ahmed an invitation over this matter. Attorneys are now fighting the school to get the clock back.

So, is this a serious case of anti-Muslim discrimination, or does this clock bring genuine concerns to the general public? It’s probably the latter. Now, what about college students? They’re young, liberal, and live in an environment where speech codes, safe spaces, and microaggressions would make them side with Ahmed, right?

MRCTV’s Dan Joseph ventured onto the hallowed ground of George Mason University and showed students a picture of the clock in question. Most students interviewed said it looked like a bomb.

 

“It looks like a bomb,” said one student caught by Joseph on the campus’ free speech zone. His buddy agreed with him. Upon seeing the photo, one female student knew about the story, saying, “it’s the clock, but it looks like a bomb.”

“I would probably assume that it looks something, like, that might explode,” said another. One female interview said the photo looked like a lie detector test.

Joseph then asked students if the picture looks like a clock to them?

“It does not,” said yet another student agreeing that this clock eerily resembles a bomb.

When asked what they would do if they saw this in, say, a classroom, students said they were “very concerned.” One said she “would probably report it if she had the chance.” Another one said she would call the police.

Dan added, “What kind of clock comes in a suitcase?”

Regardless, students at George Mason, overall, thought Ahmed’s clock looked liked a bomb, it freaked everyone out, and they would call the police.


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Do you see any bricks of C4 in Ahmed’s pencil case?

TBSchemer on September 26, 2015 at 4:49 PM

Because you are too lazy, intellectually incurious, and overeager to uphold the narrative of the poor picked upon Mohammedan kid to look things up, the simple fact (and point) is that one quarter of a standard C4 block is 2.75x2x1 inches. A half block could easily have been concealed behind the “clock” display in that “pencil case” that the kid himself thought looked suspicious.

Nobody casually opening that thing (which, incidentally does has sufficient volume for a whole C4 block) would know that there was nothing behind the display, or that the wiring wasn’t some sort of triggering mechanism.

Given that you don’t have a clue as to what explosives look like, and that the kid thought the thing looked suspicious, why wouldn’t someone as ignorant as you, say an English teacher, suddenly be able to tell the thing was benign ?

F X Muldoon on September 26, 2015 at 5:28 PM

Physics 201, 202 and 203, Freshman chem, Organic chem, Physical chem and the labs that went with them plus high school classes.

I don’t remember talking about bombs or explosions at all or making bombs or identifying bombs. (I was premed so maybe I had a different focus in my courses). It was 30 years ago. All I know about bombs is from watching TV and movies, and this looks like a TV/movie bomb, which suggests to me that he was trying to make it look like a bomb (not that he was actually trying to build a bomb).

talkingpoints on September 26, 2015 at 12:05 PM

I was a chem major, and am now working on my PhD. When I work as a teaching assistant for the intro general chem class, one of the things we teach kids for safety reasons is how NOT to make a bomb that might explode. To do that, we have to teach them what a bomb is, how they might unintentionally make one, and how to recognize it. The defining feature of any bomb is something that traps expanding gases, forcing pressure to rise.

Bombs are not always made to explode, but there is always a scenario where they could explode. For instance, this is a bomb. It consists only of glass, teflon, and air. However, these only explode if you apply a lot of heat. Anyone with a chemistry education is expected to know what a bomb is, and know not to heat one of these flasks while it is sealed.

A shoe could contain a bomb, if it contains a pressure-sealed vessel, or a critical mass of explosive material (defined as: any substance that reacts to generate gases more rapidly than diffusion can dissipate those gases, creating a localized, high-pressure pocket). Of course, a cursory inspection of nearly any shoe (aside from platform shoes) can rule out the presence of anything large enough to be a bomb.

Of note, the infamous “Underwear Bomber” did not actually make a bomb. He found out that hard way that flammable material does not make a bomb without being in a well-contained critical mass. So, he just ended up with a small incendiary device.

Ahmed’s clock consists of a pencil box (which certainly doesn’t seal air-tight), various circuit components, and air. It can be readily seen in the image that this has none of the necessary components of a bomb. There are no pressure-sealed containers, no lumps of anything large enough to be a critical mass of an explosive material, absolutely nothing that even comes close to resembling a bomb. Anyone who has taken introductory chemistry, or any physics course containing thermodynamics should know this.

We shouldn’t let the Hollywood-induced fantasies of dramatic countdown timers replace real education.

TBSchemer on September 26, 2015 at 5:40 PM

Because you are too lazy, intellectually incurious, and overeager to uphold the narrative of the poor picked upon Mohammedan kid to look things up, the simple fact (and point) is that one quarter of a standard C4 block is 2.75x2x1 inches. A half block could easily have been concealed behind the “clock” display in that “pencil case” that the kid himself thought looked suspicious.

Nobody casually opening that thing (which, incidentally does has sufficient volume for a whole C4 block) would know that there was nothing behind the display, or that the wiring wasn’t some sort of triggering mechanism.

Given that you don’t have a clue as to what explosives look like, and that the kid thought the thing looked suspicious, why wouldn’t someone as ignorant as you, say an English teacher, suddenly be able to tell the thing was benign ?

F X Muldoon on September 26, 2015 at 5:28 PM

I don’t know what you’re trying to pull, but your own link says a standard C4 block is 11x2x1 inches. Ahmed’s pencil case is about 8 inches wide, and each lid of it appears to be less than an inch thick. If something 1 inch thick were mounted behind that LED screen, the screen would be sticking out, not nestled into the concavity of the lid, as it clearly is.

TBSchemer on September 26, 2015 at 5:51 PM

F X Muldoon on September 26, 2015 at 5:28 PM

Also, why should a teacher assume that her students are bringing C4 to school? Do we assume every kid’s backpack contains a block of C4 until we’ve proven otherwise? No, of course not. To make that assumption is insanely paranoid.

If you don’t see C4, you have no reason to believe C4 is there.

TBSchemer on September 26, 2015 at 5:55 PM

Exactly.

Where is the pressure containment vessel? Where is the ignition? There is none. Ergo, not a bomb.

That’s my point… it’s obviously not a bomb.

Now… let’s say I was a delivery man, and I delivered some pizza to a bunch of middle eastern men with this thing sitting on the kitchen table…

Well I’d probably call the police, cause it looks like they’re making a bomb.

However, if I’m a teacher at a school, and a kid comes in says “look at this clock I’m working on,” then I’m not going to call it a bomb, since it obviously isn’t one.

Enclosure and a timer? Uh… duh, that’s also called a case and a clock.

Are we going to arrest all travelers now who have an alarm clock in their suitcase? Cause that’s an enclosure and a timer too.

This whole thing was stupid. I think the race/religion aspect is a big red herring. This is just more of the same zero tolerance nonsense that has kids suspended for building volcanoes for the science fair (actually happened).

Sackett on September 26, 2015 at 12:07 PM

What everyone keeps missing is the fact that he wasn’t arrested for bringing a clock to school. He was arrested on suspicion of bringing a hoax bomb to school, which is in fact illegal in Texas. The authorities detained him in order to determine intent, which they had every right to do. One they determined he did not intend to create a panic, they released him. It was all perfectly appropriate.

Serious Drivel on September 26, 2015 at 6:10 PM

Of course, a cursory inspection of nearly any shoe (aside from platform shoes) can rule out the presence of anything large enough to be a bomb.

Richard Reid’s shoes begs to differ.

He found out that hard way that flammable material does not make a bomb without being in a well-contained critical mass.

Swing and a miss, he just screwed up trying to mix components, had he not screwed up, there would have been a bang.

Ahmed’s clock consists of a pencil box (which certainly doesn’t seal air-tight), various circuit components, and air. It can be readily seen in the image that this has none of the necessary components of a bomb. There are no pressure-sealed containers, no lumps of anything large enough to be a critical mass of an explosive material…

I don’t know where this fantasy of a bomb having to have a “pressure-sealed container”, or “critical mass” comes from. The simple fact of the matter is that you can lay a block of C4 on the ground, and if you detonate it, it will explode. The fact that it doesn’t need a “critical mass”, or a “pressure-sealed container”, and the fact that it can be cut into smaller pieces and shaped is why it is used for things like door breaching. Go look it up.

I don’t know what you’re trying to pull, but your own link says a standard C4 block is 11x2x1 inches.

Try reading. I said one quarter of a block is 2.75X2X1 (I know you struggle with arithmetic). A half block would be 5.5X2X1. Now try looking things up. The “pencil case” is 8.25X5.5X2.5. C4 can be molded into any shape you like, even rolled flat; as I said, a quarter to a half block would be easy to conceal behind that display.

If you don’t see C4, you have no reason to believe C4 is there.

Your gullibility is why IEDs are placed in garbage, dead animals, and other stuff no one would see it in. Do you have any idea why unattended bags are generally blown up even though no one sees explosives ?

We shouldn’t let the Hollywood-induced fantasies of dramatic countdown timers replace real education.

OTOH, you might want to try getting some education about commonly used explosives and how they are not like your Hollywood-induced fantasies of what they look like.

F X Muldoon on September 26, 2015 at 6:21 PM

Try reading. I said one quarter of a block is 2.75X2X1 (I know you struggle with arithmetic). A half block would be 5.5X2X1. Now try looking things up. The “pencil case” is 8.25X5.5X2.5. C4 can be molded into any shape you like, even rolled flat; as I said, a quarter to a half block would be easy to conceal behind that display.

If you don’t see C4, you have no reason to believe a child in school is carrying C4. What part about this do you not understand? Do you call the cops on every kid you see carrying a bag or pencil case?

TBSchemer on September 26, 2015 at 7:03 PM

The more TBS writes, the less we know! It’s psyops 101, I guess. No idea why he is so invested in this bomb making obsession.

It looked like a bomb…to a lot of people…some trained…some not.

If someone calls in a bomb threat to a school, what does it look like? We don’t know. We don’t know where it is. We have to look for things that might be bombs. We don’t say, ignore that device, it’s obviously a clock!

Ahmed wasn’t unfairly treated. In fact, he should be getting some consequences, beyond toadying tweets from the noted legal scholar and bomb expert in the White House.

virgo on September 26, 2015 at 7:07 PM

If someone calls in a bomb threat to a school, what does it look like? We don’t know. We don’t know where it is. We have to look for things that might be bombs. We don’t say, ignore that device, it’s obviously a clock!

Ahmed wasn’t unfairly treated. In fact, he should be getting some consequences, beyond toadying tweets from the noted legal scholar and bomb expert in the White House.

virgo on September 26, 2015 at 7:07 PM

You’re an idiot, virgo. Ahmed didn’t call in any bomb threats. He told the teacher exactly what it was- a clock.

TBSchemer on September 26, 2015 at 7:45 PM

What part about this do you not understand? Do you call the cops on every kid you see carrying a bag or pencil case?

What part of Ahmed Edison himself thought the thing looked suspicious do you not understand ? What part of this not being the same as a chewed pop tart, or some kid pointing a finger and going “bang” are you failing to grasp ? What part of his sister made a bomb threat the year before and his family being known agitators did you miss ? What part of one not actually having to see and recognize an explosive for it to be there are you failing to grasp ? Ask Terry Marker how assuming something is benign works out, or the folks in Boston how a backpack is always full of books or camping gear.

No idea why he is so invested in this bomb making obsession.

Another leftist weeping over the poor put-upon Mohammedan waif and wanting everyone else to join in.

F X Muldoon on September 26, 2015 at 7:46 PM

Do you see ANY of those things in Ahmed’s pencil case?

TBSchemer on September 26, 2015 at 4:51 PM

No, I don’t. But then, knowing what black powder and cordite are and what they look like, and having looked up what RDX is in its “native” state (before mixing with other things to make C4) I realize that any of the above could be impregnated into the cloth liner of the pencil case and you’d never know.

And that’s exactly the point. If you don’t know, should you refuse to be cautious because he’s a Muslim? You wouldn’t be if he was a white male.

GrumpyOldFart on September 26, 2015 at 8:49 PM

GrumpyOldFart on September 26, 2015 at 8:49 PM

Exactly. We’re supposed to tiptoe around him because…he’s a Mohammedan, and “Allah” forfend we should think any of them capable of violence, especially those who bring what looks like exactly like a bomb a clock to school.

DrMagnolias on September 26, 2015 at 9:27 PM

Well duh. A bunch of liberal college students have probably never handled explosives in their life.

Sackett on September 26, 2015 at 11:57 AM

Exactly!

TBSchemer on September 26, 2015 at 4:48 PM

Thus TBSchemer exonerates any college-educated individual (including the teacher(s) in question) who thought indeed that may have been, or was part of, a bomb.

Ricard on September 26, 2015 at 9:34 PM

No, I don’t. But then, knowing what black powder and cordite are and what they look like, and having looked up what RDX is in its “native” state (before mixing with other things to make C4) I realize that any of the above could be impregnated into the cloth liner of the pencil case and you’d never know.

And that’s exactly the point. If you don’t know, should you refuse to be cautious because he’s a Muslim? You wouldn’t be if he was a white male.

GrumpyOldFart on September 26, 2015 at 8:49 PM

You’re not being cautious, you’re being insanely paranoid. When you see a piece of cloth in the possession of a white, Christian kid, you think it’s a piece of cloth, but when you see it in the possession of a Muslim kid, you think IT’S A CLOTH IMPREGNATED WITH RDX ON A TIMER TO EXPLODE!!!

Your reaction is ignorant, it’s racist, and it proves the liberals right about conservative bigotry. I used to defend conservatives from accusations of bigotry, but with Trumpettes and clock-truthers running around, I certainly won’t be doing that anymore.

TBSchemer on September 26, 2015 at 10:28 PM

but when you see it in the possession of a Muslim kid, you think IT’S A CLOTH IMPREGNATED WITH RDX ON A TIMER TO EXPLODE!!!

Your reaction is ignorant, it’s racist, and it proves the liberals right about conservative bigotry…

TBSchemer on September 26, 2015 at 10:28 PM

I love when people think that ‘Muslim’ is a race…kinda blows their whole schtick…

Ricard on September 26, 2015 at 10:57 PM

…kinda blows their whole schtick…

Plus it has the added benefit of proving Grumpy’s point.

F X Muldoon on September 26, 2015 at 10:59 PM

Plus it has the added benefit of proving Grumpy’s point.

F X Muldoon on September 26, 2015 at 10:59 PM

I’m rather surprised he didn’t accuse Grumpy of racism based on Grumpy’s reference to ‘black powder.’

Ricard on September 26, 2015 at 11:05 PM

I love when people think that ‘Muslim’ is a race…kinda blows their whole schtick…

Ricard on September 26, 2015 at 10:57 PM

If he were a white religious extremist, like Kim Davis, you’d be defending him.

TBSchemer on September 26, 2015 at 11:27 PM

If he were a white religious extremist, like Kim Davis, you’d be defending him.

TBSchemer on September 26, 2015 at 11:27 PM

…projection…you have no clue…

Ricard on September 26, 2015 at 11:34 PM

projection…you have no clue…

Ricard on September 26, 2015 at 11:34 PM

I don’t think you know the meaning of that word.

TBSchemer on September 26, 2015 at 11:43 PM

Well, TBS is toast again. Thanks for a great thread!

virgo on September 27, 2015 at 12:29 AM

I don’t think you know the meaning of that word.

Au contraire, he is spot on; if he were a white religious extremist you leftist lot would be screaming from the rooftops that he be at a minimum expelled, taken from his parents and given re-eduction “counseling”, demanding that whatever church he belonged to be investigated and the pastor jailed, and likely calling for the banning of the sale of old Radio Shack alarm clocks and making it mandatory that school kids made to wear EOD suits.

F X Muldoon on September 27, 2015 at 8:21 AM

Au contraire, he is spot on; if he were a white religious extremist you leftist lot would be screaming from the rooftops that he be at a minimum expelled, taken from his parents and given re-eduction “counseling”, demanding that whatever church he belonged to be investigated and the pastor jailed, and likely calling for the banning of the sale of old Radio Shack alarm clocks and making it mandatory that school kids made to wear EOD suits.

F X Muldoon on September 27, 2015 at 8:21 AM

Not even close to true. When gay couples wanted to force white Christian photographers and bakers to participate in their weddings, I fought against the a$$holes, defending the freedom of association of those Christians.

But now you’re the a$$holes, letting your bigotry get the best of you, and trying to oppress a kid who likes to tinker with electronics, just as I did when I was his age. And why? Because he’s Arabic Muslim.

Idiots like you who would attack a Muslim kid for tinkering with electronics are just as bad as the Democrats who imposed so many restrictions on me when I was growing up in California. Progressives and conservatives- you’re all the same, both trying to prevent children from exploring technological interests, from exploring the world, from just having fun learning how to do useful and interesting things, all because you’re just too damn paranoid.

TBSchemer on September 27, 2015 at 12:15 PM

When gay couples wanted to force white Christian photographers and bakers to participate in their weddings, I fought against the a$$holes, defending the freedom of association of those Christians.

Sure you did, right there on the barricades you were, probably deserve a medal.

Idiots like you who would attack a Muslim kid for tinkering with electronics are just as bad as the Democrats who imposed so many restrictions on me when I was growing up in California.

There you have it, the only thing you care about being the good little leftist you are is that he is Mohammedan . You ignore that he didn’t tinker with anything other than to take a clock apart and stuff it into a pencil case, and that even he thought it looked suspicious.

He was not “exploring technological interests”, he was trying to get a reaction, and he succeeded beyond his wildest dreams because bleeding heart progressives like yourself went wild with the poor picked upon Mohammedan waif malarkey. The truth you cannot deny is that if this was a white kid, he would have been expelled because of the zero tolerance stuff you leftists cooked up.

In the meantime, I am reporting you to PETA for all those chickens you keep molesting.

F X Muldoon on September 27, 2015 at 12:57 PM

Well, TBS is toast again. Thanks for a great thread!

virgo on September 27, 2015 at 12:29 AM

Pretty much; he posted the ‘I can’t rationally win’ by posting the loser’s trifecta:

1 – Play the race card (amusingly enough, even mis-identifying ‘Muslim’ as the race in question,

2 – positing a personal presumption “If” as proof with the Kim Davis gambit,

3 – conflating the real (the disemboweled clock) with the imaginary (someone who never presented a disemboweled clock).

Anyway, it’s been amusing. On to the next thread…

Ricard on September 27, 2015 at 7:09 PM

He was not “exploring technological interests”, he was trying to get a reaction, and he succeeded beyond his wildest dreams because bleeding heart progressives like yourself went wild with the poor picked upon Mohammedan waif malarkey. The truth you cannot deny is that if this was a white kid, he would have been expelled because of the zero tolerance stuff you leftists cooked up.

In the meantime, I am reporting you to PETA for all those chickens you keep molesting.

F X Muldoon on September 27, 2015 at 12:57 PM

That’s a bigoted assumption.

TBSchemer on September 27, 2015 at 8:12 PM

That’s a bigoted assumption.

It would be if had listened to the first teacher who patted him on his little head, told him it was nice and to put it away realizing that with the zero tolerance you leftists cooked up it would likely be seen as a threat, and just put the thing in his locker.

However, no, rather than putting it in his locker, young Ahmed kept showing it around culminating with his plugging it in for no good reason and having the alarm go off whilst he was in English class.

It is obvious that you and reality are two ships passing in the night and that it is your job to keep pimping the leftist narrative, but give the chickens a rest.

F X Muldoon on September 27, 2015 at 8:53 PM

He was not “exploring technological interests”, he was trying to get a reaction…

F X Muldoon on September 27, 2015 at 12:57 PM

That’s a bigoted assumption.

TBSchemer on September 27, 2015 at 8:12 PM

‘Assumpter’ of bigotry makes accusation of ‘bigoted assumption’…

Ricard on September 27, 2015 at 10:39 PM

F X Muldoon on September 27, 2015 at 8:53 PM

You keep assuming I’m a leftist, but nothing could be further from the truth. But I guess you just can’t stop yourself from making prejudicial assumptions about people. You’re just a bigoted person.

TBSchemer on September 28, 2015 at 1:50 PM

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