The obligatory “Muslim teen arrested for bringing homemade clock to school” post

posted at 6:01 pm on September 16, 2015 by Allahpundit

Something to preoccupy us while we wait for Trumpageddon tonight. If you thought the Matt Damon clusterfark was a big deal on social media, get a load of where this one’s at:

Hillary tweeted her encouragement too, along with many, many others. Ahmed Mohamed is 14 years old, goes to school in Texas, and is into engineering. He built his own clock at home over the weekend and brought it in to school on Monday to show one of his teachers. Another teacher saw it and was suspicious. She confiscated the clock and told the principal; they questioned him but he was allegedly “passive aggressive” in his answers. At some point the cops were brought in. Mohammed told them it was a clock but “was not forthcoming at that time about any other details,” according to the local police chief. So they … arrested him on suspicion of possessing a hoax bomb, defined as “a device that is intended to cause anyone to be alarmed or a reaction of any type by law enforcement officers.” The chief announced today that no charges will be filed because, er, it turns out it really was a clock, just like the kid said.

The Internet is outraged and the incident has been duly hashtagged for your enjoyment. Here’s a popular tweet from CAIR’s Chicago chapter…

…and here’s what the clock actually looked like:

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“I think this wouldn’t even be a question if his name wasn’t Ahmed Mohamed,” said one CAIR spokesman. Maybe, but plenty of non-Muslim kids have been suspended in post-Columbine America for bringing less frightening-looking “devices” than this into school. Ian Tuttle has a non-exhaustive list at NRO. Says John Nolte, “If it takes The Right Kind of Victim to finally get the Left and media discussing school weapons hysteria, fine.” Agreed, although school weapons hysteria typically involves suspensions, not actual arrests by the local PD. What I want to know is, how many questions did these cops ask before concluding that Mohamed intended to alarm people with the clock’s appearance? If he’s an engineering nerd and had a habit of tinkering with homemade contraptions, presumably his engineering teacher or his parents or his classmates could have him set them straight on that before they hauled him in. (According to one report, the engineering teacher had given him permission to bring the clock to school.) Did he tell a single person at school that the clock was a bomb, even jokingly? If not, and if it was obvious that the clock was not in fact a bomb — something a cop would be able to tell fairly quickly, I assume — then why put him through the ordeal of arresting and even cuffing him?

In lieu of your exit question, a terrifying thought from Sonny Bunch: “Oh God. There’s going to be a clock bomb question [at the debate] tonight isn’t there.” Probably. And someone’s going to flub the answer and that’s all the media will be talking about tomorrow.



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+1. Congratulations first on your (D) teachers in this (D) county profiling this young Muslim, and second on your zero tolerance policies that had him arrested.
rogerb on September 17, 2015 at 9:47 AM

Pretty sure sure bet that the cops who gave him the third degree, cuffed him and perp walked him past his classmates were Republicans.

But I haven’t seen any voter registration cards and neither have you.

urban elitist on September 17, 2015 at 10:20 AM

This Obama sure is selective on who he brings to the White House. He ignores all the Christians being slaughtered overseas and he had that “the police acted stupidly”. He ignores those 3 heroes who stopped an attack in France and yet he invites this kid to the White House. He also ignored the woman who was beheaded in Oklahoma last year. He sure tunes out a lot and only tunes in if it fits his agenda.

garydt on September 17, 2015 at 9:52 AM

+1

Green Tree on September 17, 2015 at 10:21 AM

+1. Congratulations first on your (D) teachers in this (D) county profiling this young Muslim, and second on your zero tolerance policies that had him arrested.
 
rogerb on September 17, 2015 at 9:47 AM

 
Pretty sure sure bet that the cops who gave him the third degree, cuffed him and perp walked him past his classmates were Republicans.
 
But I haven’t seen any voter registration cards and neither have you.
 
urban elitist on September 17, 2015 at 10:20 AM

 
Wow and ha.
 
Let’s go with it, though. Who called those cops?
 
Why did they call those cops?

rogerb on September 17, 2015 at 10:30 AM

Who called the cops?
If you had a child in that school and that device showed up at that school would you want the school people to call the cops?

I surely would.
There was a shooting incident in another school near there less than month ago
Is anyone surprised the parents reacted the way they did, bringing in CAIR and threatening to sue?
Who posted the pic of the kid in cuffs? Not the school. Not the Cops
but someone fanning the flames and all the leftists have been drawn into it

RWGinger on September 17, 2015 at 10:51 AM

Pretty sure sure bet that the cops who gave him the third degree, cuffed him and perp walked him past his classmates were Republicans.

But I haven’t seen any voter registration cards and neither have you.

urban elitist on September 17, 2015 at 10:20 AM

Oh shut up.

Ward Cleaver on September 17, 2015 at 10:52 AM

It looks like a homemade bomb. The kid is a Muslim, Muslims do bad things everyday with bombs and such.

Also, just curious, how is it this kid lives in the US anyway? The number of Muslims allowed to immigrate here should be a nice round ZERO!!!

Dick Richard on September 17, 2015 at 11:45 AM

Who called the cops?

If you had a child in that school and that device showed up at that school would you want the school people to call the cops?

I surely would.

There was a shooting incident in another school near there less than month ago
Is anyone surprised the parents reacted the way they did, bringing in CAIR and threatening to sue?
Who posted the pic of the kid in cuffs? Not the school. Not the Cops
but someone fanning the flames and all the leftists have been drawn into it

RWGinger on September 17, 2015 at 10:51 AM

I confess that if some kid brought a clock in a box to my kid’s school, I would not want the police called.

I understand your outrage at the picture: it’s much better when the cops whisk away suspects with no witnesses. Preferably under the cover of darkness.

Why would we be surprised that the patents who’d just had their kid racially profiled, cuffed and whisked away for bringing a clock to school React with a little bit of outrage.

My kids were a handful and I backed the school every time. But if something like this had ever happened, that principal and those cops would be already be looking down the barrel of the baddest-ass litigators in the region.

urban elitist on September 17, 2015 at 11:49 AM

urban elitist on September 17, 2015 at 11:49 AM

And if your special little snowflakes were injured or killed because the kid actually did bring a bomb to school you’d also be threatening with the baddest-ass litigators in the region.
Congrats fukktard…you’re part of the problem.

HumpBot Salvation on September 17, 2015 at 11:55 AM

You are such a moron. The kid didn’t bring a bomb to school. He brought a clock. Not only that, they didn’t even accuse him of bringing a bomb, they accused him of bringing a fake bomb. So, on top of the fact that there was no chance of anyone being blown up by a clock, there was no chance of anyone being blown up in the worst case scenario: that the package was a fake bomb.

Conservatives live in a world defined by fear. This is why they’re bitter, intolerant and mean.

urban elitist on September 17, 2015 at 12:12 PM

Hey urban elitist, I have children in public schools, and the policy is absolutely that they can’t bring in anything which RESEMBLES any type of weapon. Period.

So it was a clock. Yes, it was also a Pop Tart. And a piece of paper. And a sole Nerf dart. All of the above got the children in trouble, even though none posed any threat.

The issue is most off the previous incidents involved white kids and misinterpretations of guns, so fit into the left’s story line of gun control.

byepartisan on September 17, 2015 at 12:28 PM

The hipster white SJW dude in the Chicago CAIR office picture will be the first one decapitated when the Caliphate comes…

Big John on September 17, 2015 at 12:29 PM

He didn’t build a clock, he dismantled one and bolted its innards into a briefcase. This is a CAIR PR stunt.

Akzed on September 17, 2015 at 12:38 PM

Statistically, there are approximately 16,000 jihadists in this country right now.

fossten on September 17, 2015 at 1:08 AM

Maybe, maybe not. Care to share your work on arriving at that number?

DarkCurrent on September 17, 2015 at 12:50 PM

This boy’s clock did not look anything like a bomb. The dumbass cops had no reason to cuff him and they should be severely punished for their illegal questioning of him without his parents being notified. His parents should sue the school, all the dumbass teachers and administrators involved, the dumbass cops, and the police department for false arrest, harassment, and humiliation this boy had to suffer for no reason.

earlgrey on September 17, 2015 at 12:53 PM

it’s just the state law that you can’t bring bomb look-a-likes into a school.

whatcat on September 17, 2015 at 4:15 AM

1. No it’s not.
Do you care about what the actual law is?
blink on September 17, 2015 at 12:14 PM

Since I know it – and you don’t, nor could you even hope to offer up any citation of law – I’d have to say yup, indeedy, I do.

But to get you up to speed:
Texas Penal Code CHAPTER 46. WEAPONS

You’re welcome.

whatcat on September 17, 2015 at 1:02 PM

He didn’t build a clock, he dismantled one and bolted its innards into a briefcase. This is a CAIR PR stunt.

Akzed on September 17, 2015 at 12:38 PM

Yup. We’re certainly not talking Einstein Jr. here, just some goofball Imam-spawn trying to stir things up.

whatcat on September 17, 2015 at 1:05 PM

This boy’s clock did not look anything like a bomb. The dumbass cops had no reason to cuff him and they should be severely punished for their illegal questioning of him without his parents being notified. His parents should sue the school, all the dumbass teachers and administrators involved, the dumbass cops, and the police department for false arrest, harassment, and humiliation this boy had to suffer for no reason.

earlgrey on September 17, 2015 at 12:53 PM

Yep

DarkCurrent on September 17, 2015 at 1:36 PM

Doesn’t everyone carry around a steel case filled with electronic guts and an attached timer instead of using a watch or fone?

whatcat on September 17, 2015 at 4:00 AM

Steel case? No, it was a pencil case.
http://www.amazon.com/Vaultz-Locking-Pencil-Inches-VZ01479/dp/B001BXZ28K
Vaultz Locking Pencil Box, 8.25 x 5.5 x 2.5 Inches, Black (VZ01479)

That pencil case, that size.
Check the wall plug in the photo you’ve seen for scale.

Attached timer? Where? Oh, the clock LED readout; which is clock size once you get the right scale for what you’re seeing?
Yeah, I have an alarm clock with the same parts in it.

If you want to call the cops and tell them I have an alarm clock; feel free.
I certainly hope my local cops aren’t stupid enough to go “bomb threat” over an alarm clock… maybe I shouldn’t expect that?
It seems a common issue for people, I wouldn’t have expected so many HotAir commenters to make this mistake.

gekkobear on September 17, 2015 at 1:39 PM

He didn’t build a clock, he dismantled one and bolted its innards into a briefcase. This is a CAIR PR stunt.

Akzed on September 17, 2015 at 12:38 PM

Briefcase? Bull. Quit exaggerating; it makes you look silly.
It’s a pencil case, $12.75 on Amazon if you want one.

http://www.amazon.com/Vaultz-Locking-Pencil-Inches-VZ01479/dp/B001BXZ28K
Vaultz Locking Pencil Box, 8.25 x 5.5 x 2.5 Inches, Black (VZ01479)

I’ve posted this before; and posted before that you should look at the wall plug for scale. It’s nowhere near the size of a briefcase.

If your “briefcase” is 8 inches by 5 inches by 2 inches…
What do you use it for? What is your job with that briefcase?

Do you represent the Lollipop Guild?

gekkobear on September 17, 2015 at 1:42 PM

And if your special little snowflakes were injured or killed because the kid actually did bring a bomb to school you’d also be threatening with the baddest-ass litigators in the region.

Congrats fukktard…you’re part of the problem.

HumpBot Salvation on September 17, 2015 at 11:55 AM

So they knew it wasn’t a bomb; but detain, cuffed, and interrogated a minor without counsel or adult supervision… and you’re happy?

Either you support vioating a child’s rights; or you’re a “fukktard”.
No, you’re clearly the idiot here.

And I did n’t know “fukktard” was approved commentary on hotair.
I guess things have changed a bit here?

gekkobear on September 17, 2015 at 1:46 PM

Gekko take a pill

CWforFreedom on September 17, 2015 at 1:49 PM

Gekko, so size matters?

Hmmmmm.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/47747069/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/flashlights-used-small-bombs-phoenix/

CWforFreedom on September 17, 2015 at 1:56 PM

Gekko, so size matters?

Hmmmmm.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/47747069/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/flashlights-used-small-bombs-phoenix/

CWforFreedom on September 17, 2015 at 1:56 PM

Not really, but it wasn’t a “briefcase”.

With a blasting cap, a couple sticks of TNT, and my alarm clock I think I can make a bomb about the size of that kid’s pencil box.
Electric Clock + explosives = bomb.
Which factor do we limit?
Should we ban electric clocks? Or do you see the problem there?

Once they opened it, and saw there were no explosives; how much further should it have gone?

Next question… can you interrogate a child without parents or counsel for the child present?
Do you think a child who cannot enter a contract can waive his rights to counsel?
Or do you think kids shouldn’t have their rights defended; and it’s silly NOT to violate citizens rights whenever the cops want?

Gekko take a pill

CWforFreedom on September 17, 2015 at 1:49 PM

If you can recommend a pill that would help me think that kids shouldn’t be defended; and violating their civil rights is ok…
I’m curious if that pill is legal for me to have, especially without a prescription.

It sounds pretty hardcore.

gekkobear on September 17, 2015 at 2:08 PM

This is a CAIR PR stunt.

Akzed on September 17, 2015 at 12:38 PM

Might not be CAIR, but certainly a stunt. Check out some details on the the kid’s dad: http://www.okayafrica.com/news/istandwithahmed-mohamed-elhassan-mohamed-sudanese-father-backstory/

Poor Ahmed is this year’s balloon boy.

Sockpuppet Politic on September 17, 2015 at 3:02 PM

This kid didn’t build anything. He took a crappy digital clock made in China, disassembled it and screwed it into a briefcase.

Now why in the world would you want to show that to your teacher? It’s utterly useless and literally looks like a suitcase bomb.

Does he actually think a teacher would be impressed with a cheap consumer clock from China that he opened up? And why in the world would he want to plug it in during English class and let the alarm go off?

This kid is either extremely stupid or this whole story is a manufactured event.

Riposte on September 17, 2015 at 3:10 PM

He didn’t build a clock, he dismantled one and bolted its innards into a briefcase. This is a CAIR PR stunt.

Akzed on September 17, 2015 at 12:38 PM

Bingo! And the kid must have CAIR on speed-dial. And the President seems to have sprung into action awfully fast. At 14, this kid would be aware of how his device would be viewed by the school.

bigGwillie on September 17, 2015 at 3:31 PM

Would the secret service allow something that looked like that into the White House?

Fred 2 on September 17, 2015 at 3:39 PM

GFY fukktard. You’re an idiot. No shit the kid didn’t bring a bomb. I never said he did. I was pointing out what you would have done if he did.

Where did you think these zero tolerance policies come from? I can guarantee you it wasn’t conservatives that wrote the policy for the school district or the police. Liberals are idiots..and that’s why we have situations like this. You know because they live in a world defined by fear and must control what everybody says, does and thinks.
You need a tissue you whiny

gekkobear on September 17, 2015 at 1:46 PM

Pizz off ahole.
I was pointing out the idiocy and hypocrisy of urban dipshit.
Yeah, the teacher over-reacted, the school over-reacted and the police over-reacted. They had every right to take precautions but once they determined it wasn’t dangerous it should have been over.
HumpBot Salvation on September 17, 2015 at 2:07 PM

Zero tolerance policies are the result of conservative “tough on crime,” “war on drugs,” “zero tolerance,” “schools are going to hell because kids don’t get paddled any more” policies. You didn’t give a darn about then emergency black kids were getting expelled at much higher rates than white kids or when a teenage girl got strip -searched for giving her friends ibuprofen (your hero Clarence Thomas led the dissent on that one) or when a Muslim kid got busted for a clock. But when a couple of kids got nicked for gun-related offenses, you went crazy.

For what it’s worth, I’ve always found these policies stupid, consistently, even (sometimes especially) in the “gun” cases. Your team brought us this idiocy and even in this thread you have members of your team defending it.

urban elitist on September 17, 2015 at 4:16 PM

Conservatives live in a world defined by fear. This is why they’re bitter, intolerant and mean.

urban elitist on September 17, 2015 at 12:12 PM

This from the person from whom I don’t remember hearing a single kind word spoken about anyone with whom you disagree.

Zero tolerance policies are the result of conservative “tough on crime,” “war on drugs,” “zero tolerance,” “schools are going to hell because kids don’t get paddled any more” policies.

urban elitist on September 17, 2015 at 4:16 PM

Well, let’s see.

It was Joe Lierberman and Herb Kohl that wanted Congress to crack down on video games, leading to the eventual formation of the ESRB. Hillary, in conjunction with Lieberman, Tim Johnson and Evan Bayh (all Ds) proposed the FEPA legislation. And Senator Rockefeller continues to harp on video game violence.

It was Ed Markey who coined the V-Chip on its inclusion in the TCA of 1996 – signed by Clinton – which also put the FCC in charge of rating TV programs.

It was Tipper Gore who put together the PMRC to slap warning labels on music.

Zero tolerance policies in schools are liberal reactions to the ever-present scourge of shootings and bombs and whatever in schools. They are not conservative conjurings and you are making a dishonest leap to say they are.

In the end, it is time and again the Dems who use government as a means to censor things “for the children”.

The Schaef on September 17, 2015 at 4:34 PM

The supporting evidence I neglected to include when mentioning zero-tolerance policies regarding schools and guns/bombs, was that it was the Gun-Free Schools Act of 1994, introduced by House Dem Dave Kildee and signed by President Clinton, that specifically tied federal funding for schools to adoption of zero-tolerance policies.

The Schaef on September 17, 2015 at 4:39 PM

Zero tolerance policies in schools are liberal reactions to the ever-present scourge of shootings and bombs and whatever in schools. They are not conservative conjurings and you are making a dishonest leap to say they are.

Please. This all goes back to Reagan-era war in drugs stuff. You guys decided that recorders going to hell in hand basket because schools were taken over by liberals and leaned in state and local school boards across the country.

V-chip ain’t got nothing to do with it.

And, again. Your gun obsession is showing.

urban elitist on September 17, 2015 at 4:56 PM

Please. This all goes back to Reagan-era war in drugs stuff.

I pointed to the exact legislation that tied federal funds to zero-tolerance policies.

V-chip ain’t got nothing to do with it.

If you want to talk about the government doing stuff “for the children”, then yes it does.

And, again. Your gun obsession is showing.

urban elitist on September 17, 2015 at 4:56 PM

I do not have an “obsession with” something that zero-tolerance policies are about just by saying zero-tolerance policies exist.

The Schaef on September 17, 2015 at 5:05 PM

it is interesting to see this degenerate in to a discussion of the zero tolerance policies, the problem is that is taking away from the real issues, what exactly was the kid trying to do, why did he put the clock in a briefcase enclosure. there hasn’t been too much about that, I suspect a lot didn’t make the press, I have made clocks in the past from basic components, sorry but the case doesn’t look right, you can put them in a cardboard box, or for that matter no enclosure at all. something about this scenario does not compute.

RonK on September 17, 2015 at 6:18 PM

Zero tolerance policies are the result of conservative “tough on crime,” “war on drugs,” “zero tolerance,” “schools are going to hell because kids don’t get paddled any more” policies. You didn’t give a darn about then emergency black kids were getting expelled at much higher rates than white kids or when a teenage girl got strip -searched for giving her friends ibuprofen (your hero Clarence Thomas led the dissent on that one) or when a Muslim kid got busted for a clock. But when a couple of kids got nicked for gun-related offenses, you went crazy.

For what it’s worth, I’ve always found these policies stupid, consistently, even (sometimes especially) in the “gun” cases. Your team brought us this idiocy and even in this thread you have members of your team defending it.

urban elitist on September 17, 2015 at 4:16 PM

More bullshit from urban dipshit.

This zero tolerance policies are fairly recent (within the past 10-15 years). Conservatives haven’t been involved in school policy in 50 years. That’s been the domain of liberals. Congrats. You own this along with the dismal results from an educational standpoint.

HumpBot Salvation on September 17, 2015 at 6:30 PM

Clearly not a bomb. Can’t you see the buzzer attached where the Ricin capsule would be?/

S. D. on September 17, 2015 at 7:32 PM

Uh,… If he shows up at the White House with a contraption that looks like this, you know the Secret Service will have to check it for explosives, right?

cinnabar on September 17, 2015 at 9:16 PM

Let’s all send our homemade clocks to the White House in support of Ahmed.

SirGawain on September 17, 2015 at 9:23 PM

Not a hoax bomb either.

blink on September 17, 2015 at 4:58 PM

Hoax bomb, yes. The Imam-spawn even confessed to being worried because it looked suspicious.
“He explains that he closed up the box with a piece of cord because he didn’t want it to look suspicious. I’m curious, why would “looking suspicious” have even crossed his mind before this whole event unfolded, if he was truly showing off a hobby project, something so innocuous as an alarm clock.”

http://blogs.artvoice.com/techvoice/2015/09/17/reverse-engineering-ahmed-mohameds-clock-and-ourselves

Another newsflash for you – Imam-spawn didn’t invent the clock. Word is, the clock may have already been invented. At least that’s the scuttlebut.

whatcat on September 17, 2015 at 9:55 PM

Was he trolling?

http://blogs.artvoice.com/techvoice/2015/09/17/reverse-engineering-ahmed-mohameds-clock-and-ourselves/

Brandabar on September 17, 2015 at 8:09 PM

He was either trolling for CAIR or just for the lulz of doing a bomb scare. Or both.

whatcat on September 17, 2015 at 9:57 PM

Pamela Geller explains what is really going on here – a must read:

AHMED MOHAMED AND THE ‘ISLAMOPHOBIA’ CLOCK

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/17/ahmed-mohamed-and-the-islamophobia-clock/

Pork-Chop on September 18, 2015 at 9:22 AM

So, you’re neither a lawyer nor engineer. He built a clock. Many students build clocks as projects. It’s actually a great EE project for students. You use logic circuits to control the actual lights in a digital display. It’s always good to teach students how outputs from logic circuits can control something tangible like lights. I’ll explain it in more detail if you want.

blink on September 18, 2015 at 1:13 AM

Did he build a clock?

Did you look at the link in the post you quoted?

The Schaef on September 18, 2015 at 9:39 AM

Open Season

Bmore on September 18, 2015 at 9:50 AM

Consider this.

Bmore on September 18, 2015 at 9:53 AM

Briefcase? Bull. Quit exaggerating; it makes you look silly.
It’s a pencil case, $12.75 on Amazon if you want one.

http://www.amazon.com/Vaultz-Locking-Pencil-Inches-VZ01479/dp/B001BXZ28K
Vaultz Locking Pencil Box, 8.25 x 5.5 x 2.5 Inches, Black (VZ01479)

I’ve posted this before; and posted before that you should look at the wall plug for scale. It’s nowhere near the size of a briefcase.

If your “briefcase” is 8 inches by 5 inches by 2 inches…
What do you use it for? What is your job with that briefcase?

Do you represent the Lollipop Guild?

gekkobear on September 17, 2015 at 1:42 PM

Thanks for clearing that up for us Maj. Minor.

Akzed on September 18, 2015 at 10:39 AM

Of course it’s not a clock you guys. It’s a timer. Well at least that’s what it looks like. Sure, you know for eggs and such.

Bmore on September 18, 2015 at 10:45 AM

I’ll explain it in more detail if you want.

blink on September 18, 2015 at 1:13 AM

Okay.

Bmore on September 18, 2015 at 10:46 AM

Did you look at the link in the post you quoted?

The Schaef on September 18, 2015 at 9:39 AM

Of course not, he doesn’t need to – I mean, if you can’t trust HAMAS for the facts, then who can you trust?

whatcat on September 18, 2015 at 11:06 AM

So it was a timer. I knew it. Thanks blink.

Bmore on September 18, 2015 at 11:29 AM

P.S. I guess it is true then. CAIR just needed timers for those eggs. Good deal.

Bmore on September 18, 2015 at 11:30 AM

Did he build a clock?

Yes

Did you look at the link in the post you quoted?

Yes

blink on September 18, 2015 at 11:15 AM

Okay, so if what is shown in the article is correct, what is your basis for saying that he made a clock? What task was done that constitutes a “making” in this case?

The Schaef on September 18, 2015 at 11:52 AM

It was just a hoax put up by Dad. Settle down.

Bmore on September 18, 2015 at 12:06 PM

Give me the device, and I’ll tell you exactly what he did.

blink on September 18, 2015 at 12:23 PM

I’m afraid I don’t have the exact device that he constructed.

If I just gave you a 40-year-old Radio Shack clock and a steel-corner pencil case, would that be close enough? Or would I have to take the internal mechanisms out of the clock casing and put it in the pencil box before shipping?

The Schaef on September 18, 2015 at 12:31 PM

And by the way, you didn’t say “if I could look at the device, I could determine whether or not he made a clock”. You said “I conclude right now from the evidence I have right now that he definitively made a clock”.

So provide the evidence you have right now that leads you to have that conclusion right now.

The Schaef on September 18, 2015 at 12:32 PM

“What I want to know is, how many questions did these cops ask before concluding that Mohamed intended to alarm people with the clock’s appearance?”

Other articles report that Mohamed would not provide any information to the police as to the purpose for bringing his clock top school. Apparently he had some as yet unknown reason but the media hand wringing may have been it.

Also, before being too hard on the teachers and principal for involving the police we need to find out what happened to “see something, say something”? Are we now supposed to ignore anything suspicious if it involves someone who may be a Muslim?

Nomas on September 18, 2015 at 1:53 PM

just like others shouldn’t say that he definitively didn’t make a clock.

Everything I’ve stated about a lack of probable cause for a hoax bomb remain germane.

blink on September 18, 2015 at 2:20 PM

Even though the actual clock he “borrowed” has been identified?

And if the son of an attention-seeking CAIRvangelist just happens to show up to school with parts taken out of a Radio Shack clock and jammed in a steel-corner case and just happens to provoke a panic among some less-informed individuals and just happens to be an overnight victim sensation… that doesn’t beg a question or two?

The Schaef on September 18, 2015 at 2:29 PM

The Schaef on September 18, 2015 at 2:29 PM

Actually, it looks worse than that.

gh on September 18, 2015 at 2:41 PM

Are you definitively claiming that he didn’t build a clock? Did you see the back side of that circuit board?

You got me there. I did not see the back side of the circuit board. I concede that it is technically possible that he could have taken every single piece of a working digital clock – the display, the alarm, the power cord, the backup power source, the interface buttons and the circuit board – and then removed all of the electronic components from the circuit board, and replaced them with a separate but identical collection of parts which happened to cause all of the various parts of the clock to behave in exactly the same way they did before. And then we just happened to get a photograph that showed absolutely everything about the device except the one part that he actually did any work on, to achieve an effect that the part could already do.

Do you think that this kid shouldn’t be allowed to claim he built a clock unless he created his own foundry for fabricating LEDs on silicon wafers?

Surely you realize that many companies purchase parts from other companies when they make things.

The kid didn’t claim to have made an LED display.

blink on September 18, 2015 at 3:34 PM

I didn’t criticize him for “claiming to make an LED display”. And I think a reasonable person would differentiate between accumulating various parts from various sources, and accumulating all of your parts from a single source which just happens to perform the exact function of the desired end product. So that’s quite a collection of straw men you’ve accumulated there.

Did I apply that fallacy correctly enough for you?

And speaking of which, when the premise includes the idea that there was no intent to provoke a panic, and there are a set of peculiar circumstances which suggest that a panic – even a manufactured one – might play to the benefit of the involved parties by creating a viral victim, I would think the outcome we’ve seen unfold does in fact contest a presumption of no ill intent, which as far as I know qualifies as begging the question.

The Schaef on September 18, 2015 at 4:48 PM

If he really did just uncase an old LED clock and put it in a pencil case, then that’s going to come out. That’s going to be embarrassing for many in the media, google, MIT, Facebook, etc.

This is why I asked if you read the article linked higher up. The guy literally found the exact model of clock that was uncased and packed in.

And while there might be a motive for intent, there is not evidence of intent. In fact, there is evidence that there was no intent.

What evidence is there of no intent? Also, I would argue that the instant viral victim status achieved is evidence of intent, of the boy and/or his father.

Begging the questions.

blink on September 18, 2015 at 5:59 PM

In modern vernacular usage, “to beg the question” is sometimes used to mean “to raise the question”… These usages are often criticized as being mistaken.

You don’t say…

Even after I point out that the premise that this was not perpetrated as a hoax is being “demonstrated” by the obscene amounts of social media proliferation talking about how it wasn’t perpetrated as a hoax.

The Schaef on September 18, 2015 at 6:58 PM

Just because it was the display…

… and the button interface… and the cord… and the alarm…

But I guess I’ll go ahead and treat your question with all due seriousness, and concede that there is a possibility that Ahmed removed the display from this particular clock, and then removed a different interface from a different clock, which had all the same buttons in the same configuration, because in his little engineering project he felt it was important to make sure the clock retained its core functionality. Which is why the clock was built with the LED rigged to display on the outside of the box but the interface buttons to control it are just tossed inside the case with no comparable place setting.

He tried to hide the cord and he repeatedly claimed it was a clock.

Plausible deniability plays nice when you’re a victim gone viral.

If you’re ok with the misuse – fine.

blink on September 18, 2015 at 10:26 PM

I explained the specific manner in which it was not misuse. Twice. If it matters that much to you that you want to keep arguing about it, knock yourself out. I’ve explained myself, and if that’s not good enough for you, I can’t make it any better, and it really has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

The Schaef on September 18, 2015 at 11:42 PM

I hope the little sh!t pre-detonates in a bomb vest

effing antagonistic muzzos really showing their gratitude to this great nation

did you see the pic of him and his whore sisters smiling it up on their way to the lawyer

I wish they all were immolated in a crash

Mr Soames on September 19, 2015 at 1:11 AM

No, you didn’t.

Yes I did. You quoted the part where I said “I point out that” and then cut off the rest of the sentence. That was the explanation.

I’m assuming that you now understand proper use of the expression.

blink on September 19, 2015 at 3:12 AM

I have always understood it. What is your problem? You’re beginning to sound more and more like one of those grammar nazis who, when asked if I can go to the bathroom, responds, “I don’t know… caaaaaaan you?” Except you insist on doing it like six times in a row. Enough already.

It’s still evidence that he didn’t intend to cause alarm. You don’t have evidence that he did.

I do and it has been described above. Said evidence is circumstantial but there are a very large and odd number of “coincidences” in the production of the entire scenario.

The kid showed it to his teacher. He didn’t put it in the bathroom for someone to find. Sorry, no probable cause for hoax bomb.

blink on September 19, 2015 at 3:11 AM

He showed it to one teacher. The other teacher busted him because it started making noise in class. It’s a different manner of discovery, and one in which the “victim” is immediately identifiable (a bathroom discovery would be anonymous), and has several convenient witnesses in the room.

The Schaef on September 19, 2015 at 8:06 AM

Funny how all you need is a blasting cap and centex and you’d have what has taken down aircraft

Effing muzzos working with the left

Who’d of thought

Mr Soames on September 19, 2015 at 10:32 AM

Let’s all send our homemade clocks to the White House in support of Ahmed.

SirGawain on September 17, 2015 at 9:23 PM

That would be beautiful!

So this kid, 14, has an engineering teacher in high school?

The most irritating thing about this story is Obama interjecting himself into it.

claudius on September 19, 2015 at 2:27 PM

Using it as such is now popular, but incorrect.

I didn’t say I used it that way. Only you have said that.

I offered a specific explanation of how there is circular reasoning in the claim that there was not a hoax perpetrated, and for reasons that I absolutely cannot understand, you have passed it over every time and claimed that I did not offer that explanation.

If you don’t like my logic, fine. I said that last night. If you still think it doesn’t qualify, fine. I said that last night. But do me one courtesy and STOP SAYING I DID NOT OFFER AN EXPLANATION OF HOW I CAME TO NAME THAT FALLACY.

but, whatever, I don’t care.

You’re somewhere in the neighborhood of a half dozen different posts over a period of 20-odd hours. That a lot of not caring, especially after being asked multiple times to move on.

OK, whatever evidence you have isn’t strong enough for probable cause.

I’m not conducting a police investigation, nor am I required to do so to make a simple statement that evidence exists.

The kid showed his device to an authority figure – that means it wasn’t a hoax.

No, that means it wasn’t a bomb scare. I am not proceeding under the premise that was the ulterior motive in bringing in a “homemade clock”. I have explained multiple times in various ways that I was not approaching the scenario on that level.

Logic demands that people hoping to cause alarm don’t approach an authority figure and tell them that their device is a harmless clock.

Again, that presumes the end goal was to cause alarm. If the end goal was to present a victim for social media proliferation, establishing an alibi is a critical step in the process.

The scientific illiteracy of the teachers and cops handed this kid’s family a PR victory – if that’s what they were after. That’s my point.

blink on September 19, 2015 at 5:25 PM

THAT WAS THE “HOAX” IN QUESTION. THAT is MY point.

The Schaef on September 19, 2015 at 7:52 PM

I DO care that you’re trying to squirm out if admitting it.

I am being direct and honest. If you don’t like my explanation, fine, you don’t like my explanation. But I’m getting really tired of you questioning my honesty.

According to the LAW, if that wasn’t the goal, then it wasn’t a hoax bomb.

Okay, well, I really don’t see what that has to do with what I have been saying about what they were trying to achieve.

They didn’t have probable cause for hoax bomb. You can be convinced that it was…

I’m curious why you would write something about what I said, that directly contradicts what I actually did say. This is the second time now that you’ve done it, and the second time that you’ve done so while omitting something from my post that speaks directly to that point…

I am not proceeding under the premise that was the ulterior motive…If the end goal was to present a victim for social media proliferation

So please stop telling me that I’m convinced they were trying to create an actual bomb scare.

The Schaef on September 20, 2015 at 8:08 AM