Shocking study: criminals generally don’t buy guns legally at gun shops

posted at 1:01 pm on September 5, 2015 by Jazz Shaw

Every time there is a mass shooting or any other criminal event involving guns there is a chorus of voices imploring us to think about the children and pass new background check laws or other restrictions on the purchase of firearms. It’s a touching story and one which gets the media all up in high dudgeon as they beseech us to help stop the violence. So how much of an impact will these laws have in terms of keeping the guns out of the hands of the bad guys? Yet another study (which will doubtless receive no attention in the mainstream media) has given us a fairly good idea of the answer to that question. Criminals aren’t buying their guns at Walmart, folks. (NRA-ILA)

Numerous studies conducted by academic researchers and by the federal government have shown that criminals do not use legal markets to obtain guns. And now we have more evidence of this reality, this time looking at criminals in Chicago.

Philip J. Cook, Susan T. Parker, and Harold A. Pollack conducted interviews with criminals being held in the Cook County Jail. Their primary findings were that criminals get guns from their “social network,” i.e. friends and persons known to them, but generally not from the various legal sources available to them.

They do not buy guns in gun stores. They do not get guns at gun shows. They do not buy them from Internet sources. The study even found that criminals only rarely steal guns.

The basic mechanics of this study are of interest because of the source material used. Let’s say you want to know where criminals are getting the guns they use in their crimes. I suppose you could do a national survey and ask people what they think. Or you could call in Michael Bloomberg or one of the other leaders of various gun grabbing groups and get them to opine. But these studies took a different approach: they went into the jails and prisons and asked the actual prisoners themselves. What a refreshing idea.

The results shouldn’t be all that shocking to anyone who has thought about it in an honest fashion for more than a few minutes. Lots of criminals who are playing the game at a level that will involve shooting people already have extensive records and wouldn’t pass even the most cursory background check if they tried to purchase a gun legally. (And contrary to popular liberal belief, there are virtually no legal gun sales taking place which don’t require a background check aside from family or estate purchases.) And even if a would be criminal has a clean enough record to buy one, the study reveals that most of them fear purchasing a gun legally because they know it could be quickly traced back to them. There are probably a few stupid criminals out there who don’t realize this, but thankfully the stupid criminals are generally the easiest ones to find.

Instead, the people we should actually be trying to stop are buying their guns on the black market. They get them from friends and criminal associates. Most of those interviewed even distrusted so called internet sales on guns because they feared they were sting operations and they’d wind up trying to buy one from an ATF agent. In other words, passing more laws to hamper the sales of guns through normal, legal means is only going to impede people who tend to follow the law in the first place. I know… I know… knock you over with a feather.

Strangely, the closing footnotes of the linked study still seem to wind up at the wrong destination after producing so much good work.

They concluded that since criminals do not hold guns long, “disrupting” the supply chain would have a positive effect on criminal gun use. That seems like a safe conclusion driven more by common sense than any evidence from an expensive academic study. But how this “disruption” can be achieved is not spelled out or suggested.

I absolutely agree that “disrupting the supply chain” of guns passing into the hands of criminals is a wonderful idea. Of course, you’re not going to do that by closing down gun shops or shutting down gun shows or putting more restrictions on legal sales to law abiding citizens. You could, however, enforce our existing laws and aggressively channel the necessary resources into law enforcement to root out and eliminate the suppliers who are selling black market weapons to drug dealers and killers. But I suppose that makes too much sense to bother with, eh?


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The only answer to this problem are background checks all the way down.

NotCoach on September 5, 2015 at 1:06 PM

I usually drive my mobile meth lab down to the gun store. Form 4473 don’t ask about that!

HonestLib on September 5, 2015 at 1:07 PM

Of course not. They steal them from the people who did buy them at gun shops. This is why gun control laws don’t work.

HugoDrax on September 5, 2015 at 1:08 PM

Clearly we need to remedy this with legislation.

RINO in Name Only on September 5, 2015 at 1:09 PM

The only answer to this problem are background checks all the way down.

NotCoach on September 5, 2015 at 1:06 PM

Folks actually get an instant background check when purchasing? I just hand over my DL and CCW to be copied. No background check at the store.

HonestLib on September 5, 2015 at 1:09 PM

Of course not. They steal them from the people who did buy them at gun shops. This is why gun control laws don’t work.

HugoDrax on September 5, 2015 at 1:08 PM

Geez you big dummy, outlaw gun shops.

HonestLib on September 5, 2015 at 1:10 PM

Fast and Furious… allowed illegal guns to be bought from a gun shop.

31giddyup on September 5, 2015 at 1:13 PM

weed?

np?

libby?

Any inputs?

BallisticBob on September 5, 2015 at 1:15 PM

Geez you big dummy, outlaw gun shops.

HonestLib on September 5, 2015 at 1:10 PM

Duh.

Tlaloc on September 5, 2015 at 1:15 PM

Geez you big dummy, outlaw gun shops.

No, we just need to ensure gun thieves do background checks on themselves before they steal guns to ensure they are legally allowed to own a gun they steal.

However, if the gun thieves steal the guns to sell, we need to have a government program to ensure that the gun thieves can do instant checks on their Obamaphones before they sell the guns.

F X Muldoon on September 5, 2015 at 1:18 PM

The only answer is to confiscate all guns and ban any more sales of all guns to the public.

Sign

Tialoc
Wedisgood
libfreordie

and so on

bgibbs1000 on September 5, 2015 at 1:18 PM

No, we just need to ensure gun thieves do background checks on themselves

F X Muldoon on September 5, 2015 at 1:18 PM

Kinda like that Iran nuke deal.

HonestLib on September 5, 2015 at 1:20 PM

Duh.

Tlaloc on September 5, 2015 at 1:15 PM

Hey, my best customer showed up. Meals Meth on Wheels number one consumer.

HonestLib on September 5, 2015 at 1:22 PM

Kinda like that Iran nuke deal.

Exactly, if we can trust the Iranians, surely we can trust our own criminals.

F X Muldoon on September 5, 2015 at 1:23 PM

Duh.

Tlaloc on September 5, 2015 at 1:15 PM

Smartest thing you’ve ever said on here.

fossten on September 5, 2015 at 1:26 PM

Fast and Furious… allowed illegal guns to be bought from a gun shop.

31giddyup on September 5, 2015 at 1:13 PM

Well, technically F&F allowed LEGAL guns to be PURCHASED (and/or transferred after the fact) illegally…

climbnjump on September 5, 2015 at 1:26 PM

Liberals seem to think that making something illegal causes it to disappear.

You know- like murder, drugs, robbery… oh wait.

Bat Chain Puller on September 5, 2015 at 1:32 PM

Of course not. They steal them from the people who did buy them at gun shops. This is why gun control laws don’t work.
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HugoDrax on September 5, 2015 at 1:08 PM

The only answer is to confiscate all guns and ban any more sales of all guns to the public.

Signed

Tialoc
Wedisgood
libfreordie

and so on

bgibbs1000 on September 5, 2015 at 1:18 PM

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Playing LITERALLY “Devil’s advocate,” here…
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If we abolish all firearms in the hands of common, law-abiding citizens, then the availability of firearms for criminals to steal will eventually dry-UP, and there will be no more “rogue” firearms left outside of the control of the governing authorities for criminals to get their hands on … why are you Conservatives so incapable of seeing that?

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This is the point the gun-control advocates have been trying to make, all along … and I’ve had my own counter response to it for quite some time, now.
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But I’m not going to present it here, just yet…

listens2glenn on September 5, 2015 at 1:41 PM

Liberals seem to think that making something illegal causes it to disappear.

You know- like murder, drugs, robbery… oh wait.

Bat Chain Puller on September 5, 2015 at 1:32 PM

So you think we should legalize murder, drugs, robbery? Brilliant!

Strangely making those things illegal has in fact discouraged them.

Tlaloc on September 5, 2015 at 1:43 PM

This is the point the gun-control advocates have been trying to make, all along … and I’ve had my own counter response to it for quite some time, now.
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But I’m not going to present it here, just yet…

listens2glenn on September 5, 2015 at 1:41 PM

I’m guessing it involves murdering anyone who tries to make society less like the wild west.

Tlaloc on September 5, 2015 at 1:44 PM

Tlaloc on September 5, 2015 at 1:43 PM

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Ok Devil … did I misrepresent you (as your advocate), in my 1:41 PM comment?

listens2glenn on September 5, 2015 at 1:46 PM

Why buy guns when they’re free for the taking in BLM park rangers’ cars?

Fenris on September 5, 2015 at 1:46 PM

I’m guessing it involves murdering anyone who tries to make society less like the wild west.

Tlaloc on September 5, 2015 at 1:44 PM

The Wild West was pro gun control. Ride into town without the Sheriff knowing you, or not trusting you; they confiscated your guns.

History is a cool thing.

HonestLib on September 5, 2015 at 1:47 PM

listens2glenn on September 5, 2015 at 1:41 PM

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I’m guessing it involves murdering anyone who tries to make society less like the wild west.
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Tlaloc on September 5, 2015 at 1:44 PM

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Dammit … got it on the first answer … I guess you’re too much of a match for me.
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I’ll hafta try something else…

listens2glenn on September 5, 2015 at 1:48 PM

But I’m not going to present it here, just yet…

listens2glenn on September 5, 2015 at 1:41 PM

Is it the one where we have cops killed for their guns?
Or the one where Fed employees leave their guns out in the open to be stolen?
Or just the simple point that they’ll find or make a weapon if they can’t buy it.

LoganSix on September 5, 2015 at 1:48 PM

Liberals seem to think that making something illegal causes it to disappear.

You know- like murder, drugs, robbery… oh wait.

Bat Chain Puller on September 5, 2015 at 1:32 PM

So you think we should legalize murder, drugs, robbery? Brilliant!

Strangely making those things illegal has in fact discouraged them.

Tlaloc on September 5, 2015 at 1:43 PM

That was weak. Running out of material? Have a beer as I am buying.

HonestLib on September 5, 2015 at 1:49 PM

Tlaloc is searching Google about right now.

HonestLib on September 5, 2015 at 1:51 PM

Liberals seem to think that making something illegal causes it to disappear.

You know- like murder, drugs, robbery… oh wait.
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Bat Chain Puller on September 5, 2015 at 1:32 PM
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So you think we should legalize murder, drugs, robbery? Brilliant!
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Tlaloc on September 5, 2015 at 1:43 PM

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Yeah, that’s what he meant … boy, are you ever on a roll … got us beat every which way but Sunday.
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Strangely making those things illegal has in fact discouraged them.
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Tlaloc on September 5, 2015 at 1:43 PM

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There are (quite) a few surviving relatives of dead victims, just from the last forty years, who’d like to have a word with you about that.

In fact, let’s narrow it down to just Chicago…

listens2glenn on September 5, 2015 at 1:55 PM

. . . . . But I’m not going to present it here, just yet…
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listens2glenn on September 5, 2015 at 1:41 PM

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Is it the one where we have cops killed for their guns?
Or the one where Fed employees leave their guns out in the open to be stolen?
Or just the simple point that they’ll find or make a weapon if they can’t buy it.
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LoganSix on September 5, 2015 at 1:48 PM

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That wasn’t my “counter,” but that’s a damn good one, none the less.

listens2glenn on September 5, 2015 at 1:59 PM

Liberals seem to think that making something illegal causes it to disappear.

You know- like murder, drugs, robbery… oh wait.

Bat Chain Puller on September 5, 2015 at 1:32 PM

So you think we should legalize murder, drugs, robbery? Brilliant!

Strangely making those things illegal has in fact discouraged them.

Tlaloc on September 5, 2015 at 1:43 PM

If reckon the most effective way to discourage a murderer, robber, or out of control drug user, is with a gun.

Fenris on September 5, 2015 at 2:00 PM

Oh come on !!! So you’re saying background check’s are only for us law abiding dolts ??????
Amazing……..

angrymike on September 5, 2015 at 2:01 PM

Oh come on !!! So you’re saying background check’s are only for us law abiding dolts ??????
Amazing……..
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angrymike on September 5, 2015 at 2:01 PM

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No, ‘mike … what they’re saying, is this (from my 1:41 PM comment):

If we abolish all firearms in the hands of common, law-abiding citizens, then the availability of firearms for criminals to steal will eventually dry-UP, and there will be no more “rogue” firearms left outside of the control of the governing authorities for criminals to get their hands on … why are you Conservatives so incapable of seeing that?

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But they’re still wrong.

listens2glenn on September 5, 2015 at 2:09 PM

Okay, Tlaloc . . . . . just another couple of “hit ‘n’ run, drive-by” comments, huh?

listens2glenn on September 5, 2015 at 2:12 PM

So you think we should legalize murder, drugs, robbery? Brilliant!
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Tlaloc on September 5, 2015 at 1:43 PM

Maybe we should make all prescription drugs illegal – since criminals prefer to steal them when they can’t get them legally with a prescription. That should solve all our problems…….

dentarthurdent on September 5, 2015 at 2:14 PM

Per Drudge, August just saw another record for gun sales by Americans.

(Guessing there wasn’t a criminal in the bunch).

Read it and weep, Tlaloc!

WhirledPeas on September 5, 2015 at 2:20 PM

Okay, Tlaloc . . . . . just another couple of “hit ‘n’ run, drive-by” comments, huh?

listens2glenn on September 5, 2015 at 2:12 PM

Dude is on the loo, legs going numb, furiously cursing Google for just the right answer. He will limp back to the computer soon, legs a tingle.

HonestLib on September 5, 2015 at 2:21 PM

So you think we should legalize murder, drugs, robbery? Brilliant!

Strangely making those things illegal has in fact discouraged them.

Kenny Bania on September 5, 2015 at 1:43 PM

Murder: The murder rate in Chicago in 2014 was only 0.0001% less than it was in 2013.

F-#1.

Drugs: Nationally, the use of amphetamines has increased since 2008.

F-#2.

Robbery: In Chicago, the number of robberies over the past 10 years has remained almost static. Thefts and burglaries are different stats, but they too have not shown much change.

And nationally, the number of robberies in 2011 and 2012 (the last two years where stats are available) was virtually unchanged.

F-#3.

Del Dolemonte on September 5, 2015 at 2:34 PM

Shooting someone is already banned. So why would banning guns have a different result?

This seems very obvious, but I guess there are many who just can’t think it through for themselves so you have to say it over and over again.

petunia on September 5, 2015 at 2:39 PM

Shooting someone is already banned.

petunia on September 5, 2015 at 2:39 PM

Was it Ed or AP that banned Shooting Someone? He will be missed.

HonestLib on September 5, 2015 at 2:47 PM

So you think we should legalize murder, drugs, robbery? Brilliant!

Strangely making those things illegal has in fact discouraged them.

Tlaloc on September 5, 2015 at 1:43 PM

Why do the most ignorant about guns due to their fear and loathing say the stupidest things about the subject?

I would wager that if murder and robbery were legal, there would be less of it since everyone would be ultra protective of their lives and property. Simply looking at someone wrong would get you killed. Other forms of protection would emerge that replace legal ones.

Drugs are different. Pot use has increased here in Colorado.

UnstChem on September 5, 2015 at 2:50 PM

Shooting someone is already banned. So why would banning guns have a different result?

This seems very obvious, but I guess there are many who just can’t think it through for themselves so you have to say it over and over again.

petunia on September 5, 2015 at 2:39 PM

Banning guns would, in fact, have a different result. Law abiding citizens, by definition, would no longer possess guns; Criminals would still be free to have guns. Most people can see the problem here (I know that’s not how you meant it).

Fenris on September 5, 2015 at 2:54 PM

The only answer is to confiscate all guns and ban any more sales of all guns to the public.

Signed

Tlaloc
Wedisgood
libfreordie

and so on

bgibbs1000 on September 5, 2015 at 1:18 PM

If we abolish all firearms in the hands of common, law-abiding citizens, then the availability of firearms for criminals to steal will eventually dry-UP, and there will be no more “rogue” firearms left outside of the control of the governing authorities for criminals to get their hands on … why are you Conservatives so incapable of seeing that?

This is the point the gun-control advocates have been trying to make, all along …
listens2glenn on September 5, 2015 at 1:41 PM

Duh.

Tlaloc on September 5, 2015 at 1:15 PM

If we abolish all firearms in the hands of common, law-abiding citizens, criminals will still be able to get guns, because organized crime will still exist.

So what Tlaloc is advocating for is that gun sales be restricted to the mafia and Mexican drug cartels.

Considering how incestuous the relationship is between the AFL-CIO and the mafia, and between the illegal alien lobby and Mexican cartels, I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised.

GrumpyOldFart on September 5, 2015 at 2:59 PM

Soooo… you are saying that criminals don’t obey the law? WHAT?!??!

ghostwalker1 on September 5, 2015 at 3:03 PM

Heh. That pic was taken at my range.

quikstrike98 on September 5, 2015 at 3:05 PM

Ferris, sort of like DC and Chicago?

dogsoldier on September 5, 2015 at 3:12 PM

sorry I meant Fenris.

dogsoldier on September 5, 2015 at 3:15 PM

“Understand one thing……You can make laws against weapons but they will be observed only by those who don’t intend to use them anyway. The lawless can always smuggle or steal, or even make a gun. By refusing to wear a gun you allow the criminal to operate with impunity.” – Louis L’Amour

Torcert on September 5, 2015 at 3:15 PM

So the family of the lady killed by the illegal alien wants to sue the guy the criminal stole the gun used to shoot her with…so maybe that’s the answer. Alot of these guys are obviously stolen that’s how they’re getting to the black market right? So if your stolen gun is used in a crime you’re liable for monetary damages…

Spin away…

Politricks on September 5, 2015 at 3:17 PM

If we abolish all firearms in the hands of common, law-abiding citizens, criminals will still be able to get guns, because organized crime will still exist.

So what Tlaloc is advocating for is that gun sales be restricted to the mafia and Mexican drug cartels.

Considering how incestuous the relationship is between the AFL-CIO and the mafia, and between the illegal alien lobby and Mexican cartels, I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised.

GrumpyOldFart on September 5, 2015 at 2:59 PM

Not to mention the fact that guns are a very old form of technology that could even be manufactured by the criminals.

What we really need to do is ban metal… /s

Torcert on September 5, 2015 at 3:19 PM

Liberals miss the point.

Criminals don’t care about our stinking laws. That’s way they are criminals.

I don’t know why liberals can’t grasp that simple fact.

Does anyone but a liberal think that “gun free zones” means anything to criminals who what to kill those in gun free zones?

So I have a rap sheet as long as roll of toilet paper because the system keeps letting out on the streets. Does anyone actually believe that individual would go to a gun store for a background check. Or if a person wants to commit a crime, why would he buy a gun legally and leave a paper trail the police could follow blind folded?

Unfortunately, the emotionalism of the left is blind to reality.

BMF on September 5, 2015 at 3:29 PM

In other words, passing more laws to hamper the sales of guns through normal, legal means is only going to impede people who tend to follow the law in the first place.

Which leads one to come to two possible conclusions:

1) Either the gun grabbers are an addled bunch, incapable of if discerning this basic logic.

OR

2). They KNOW this will be the effect – And they don’t Care. All they DO care about it attaining even more power over their political enemies.

As for me, I’d opt for the second conclusion..

Torcert on September 5, 2015 at 3:31 PM

Torcert on September 5, 2015 at 3:31 PM

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TOTALLY…

listens2glenn on September 5, 2015 at 3:36 PM

We saw this before in another study. They made the point from it “see, criminals do NOT get their guns by stealing them.” Which was a failure of the study methodology, since it didn’t address the entry point of those weapons into the criminal “system”. Neither, it appears does this one.

It really doesn’t matter much to show where specific criminals get their guns if you don’t also look at the source for the “friend” who sold it to them. Or his “friend” who sold it to him.

The problem with leaving the study as it is, is a leftist will come along and say “See?! Private sales are the problem! We shouldn’t allow them!” or something similar.

GWB on September 5, 2015 at 3:41 PM

As for me, I’d opt for the second conclusion..

Torcert on September 5, 2015 at 3:31 PM

The thing is, it doesn’t matter much how many people fall into #1, as long as someone is in #2. They will use those in #1 to achieve #2.

Not to mention the fact that guns are a very old form of technology that could even be manufactured by the criminals.

Torcert on September 5, 2015 at 3:19 PM

Heck, you might even design and build a semi-automatic carbine good enough for use as a military weapon in a prison machine shop if you knew what you were doing.

GWB on September 5, 2015 at 3:47 PM

The thing is, it doesn’t matter much how many people fall into #1, as long as someone is in #2. They will use those in #1 to achieve #2.

Yes, as long as they achieve their ends, they don’t care about the means

Heck, you might even design and build a semi-automatic carbine good enough for use as a military weapon in a prison machine shop if you knew what you were doing.

Example:

These Are Guns Made in Prison; Still Think a Gun Ban Will Stop Violence?
http://www.political-humor.org/these-are-guns-made-in-prison-still-think-a-gun-ban-will-stop-violence.shtml
http://www.political-humor.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/these-are-guns-made-in-prison-still-think-a-gun-ban-will-stop-violence.jpg

Torcert on September 5, 2015 at 3:53 PM

So the family of the lady killed by the illegal alien wants to sue the guy the criminal stole the gun used to shoot her with…so maybe that’s the answer. Alot of these guys are obviously stolen that’s how they’re getting to the black market right? So if your stolen gun is used in a crime you’re liable for monetary damages…

Spin away…

Politricks on September 5, 2015 at 3:17 PM

Preview is your friend. Lawd, I know that first hand.

HonestLib on September 5, 2015 at 3:59 PM

Example:

Torcert on September 5, 2015 at 3:53 PM

Mhmmmm. My link was to the movie about Carbine Williams – the guy who invented the M1… while he was in prison. It’s a great flick if you haven’t seen it, with Jimmy Stewart.

GWB on September 5, 2015 at 3:59 PM

323: The total number of homicides committed with ALL TYPES OF RIFLES, INCLUDING “ASSAULT RIFLES,” in the United States in 2011.

496: The total number of homicides committed with hammers or other blunt objects in the United States in 2011.

0.012%: Percentage of deaths caused by assault weapons in the United States in 2011.

~1.5 million: The estimated number of AR-15s in the United States in 1994.

9.0%: Overall homicide rate in the US in 1994, the year the Assault Weapons Ban was signed.

3,261,725: The number of estimated AR-15s in the United States in 2009.

5.0%: Overall homicide rate in the US in 2009, FIVE YEARS AFTER THE ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN EXPIRED.

0.1%: Percentage of the 71,000 people, who lied on their background checks in 2009 and were prosecuted by the Obama administration.

More than 45%: The decrease in the number of gun prosecutions by the Obama administration compared to the Bush administration.

Even though 93% of ALL guns used in gun-related crimes are obtained ILLEGALLY and “assault weapons” were associated with less than 323 of the 12,664 homicides (from all causes) committed in 2011, let’s pass MORE GUN CONTROL LAWS for Obama NOT TO ENFORCE!!!

‘According to the latest available data, those who use guns in violent crimes rarely purchase them directly from licensed dealers; most guns used in crime have been stolen or transferred between individuals after the original purchase.’

The National Criminal Justice Reference Service

93%: The percentage of ALL firearms used in criminal acts are OBTAINED ILLEGALLY, ie, on the street, through theft, etc, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

7%: The percentage of guns used in the commission of criminal acts that have been subjected to background checks, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

7%: The percentage of the 5.1 million violent crimes of rape and sexual assault, robbery, and aggravated and simple assault in 2008 where a firearm was involved, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

Fewer than 2%: Percentage of guns inmates had obtained the guns that they used in the commission of their crimes from a flea market or gun show, according to the Survey of State Prison Inmates.

12%: Percentage of guns inmates had obtained the guns that they used in the commission of their crimes from a retail store or pawnshop, according to the Survey of State Prison Inmates.

80%: Percentage of guns inmates had obtained the guns that they used in the commission of their crimes from a street buy, an illegal source, friends or family, according to the Survey of State Prison Inmates.

Less than 2%: Percentage of inmates incarcerated for gun-related crimes that used a military-style assault weapon, according to the Congressional Research Service.

Want more?

Gun Control: By The Numbers

Bishbop on September 5, 2015 at 4:10 PM

If we abolish all firearms in the hands of common, law-abiding citizens, then the availability of firearms for criminals to steal will eventually dry-UP, and there will be no more “rogue” firearms left outside of the control of the governing authorities for criminals to get their hands on … why are you Conservatives so incapable of seeing that?

Let me see if I understand the logic of the left: Rounding up 300 million firearms that are hidden in peoples’ homes is totally logical, but rounding up 11 million illegal aliens walking around in public is crazy and not realistically accomplished.

Russ in OR on September 5, 2015 at 5:03 PM

Preview is your friend. Lawd, I know that first hand.

Wouldn’t help with Parlortricks, that is about as close as he ever comes to English.

F X Muldoon on September 5, 2015 at 5:06 PM

If we abolish all firearms in the hands of common, law-abiding citizens, then the availability of firearms for criminals to steal will eventually dry-UP, and there will be no more “rogue” firearms left outside of the control of the governing authorities for criminals to get their hands on … why are you Conservatives so incapable of seeing that?

Soooo, I guess this means you are going to vote for Donald Trump! Those ‘foreign’ guns aren’t going to stop at the border. If illegals, drugs, etc, can make it into the US by simply crossing a little, old border, guns will make it through, too.

Fvck, even the alleged gun-free ISLAND nation of the UK has a bloody gun problem that has been escalating in recent years.

‘Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not.’

~ Thomas Jefferson

Looks like you’ll be doing my manual work. :-)

Bishbop on September 5, 2015 at 5:14 PM

Folks actually get an instant background check when purchasing? I just hand over my DL and CCW to be copied. No background check at the store.

HonestLib on September 5, 2015 at 1:09 PM

Yes, in some states (evidently yours) the fact that you passed the background check for your CCW and your CCW is current means that you no longer have to pass a NICS check every time you purchase a firearm, because redundant background checks are redundant. (In my state, it also means no waiting period for handguns.) But if you aren’t a CCW holder (or don’t provide it to the dealer) you must have a NICS check done on you for each separate purchase because you haven’t proven that you’ve passed a background check.

James on September 5, 2015 at 5:58 PM

ORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Gun shows.

TX-96 on September 5, 2015 at 5:59 PM

If we abolish all firearms in the hands of common, law-abiding citizens, then the availability of firearms for criminals to steal will eventually dry-UP

We abolished alcoholic drinks in 1920, and the availability of those beverages dried right up, yes sir. Just disappeared, didn’t they?

Bat Chain Puller on September 5, 2015 at 6:28 PM

When gun control advocates demonstrate that they can keep illegal drugs out of the hands of drug dealers, then I’ll believe them when they claim that gun control laws will keep guns out of the hands of criminals.

Joseph OHenry on September 5, 2015 at 7:02 PM

Gun control, boiled down to its essence:

1. You want to take our guns.

2. We won’t let you, and there are 80 or 100 million of us.

3. Your move.

PointnClick on September 5, 2015 at 7:20 PM

I would love to hear from a leftist, with specificity, how this proposed gun confiscation of theirs is supposed to work.

[But, I never will, because it can’t.]

Serious Drivel on September 5, 2015 at 7:20 PM

So the family of the lady killed by the illegal alien wants to sue the guy the criminal stole the gun used to shoot her with…so maybe that’s the answer. Alot of these guys are obviously stolen that’s how they’re getting to the black market right? So if your stolen gun is used in a crime you’re liable for monetary damages…
 
Spin away…
 
Politricks on September 5, 2015 at 3:17 PM

 
You personally promote gun violence in your rap, right Diggz?
 
Spin away…

rogerb on September 5, 2015 at 7:30 PM

Yes, in some states (evidently yours) the fact that you passed the background check for your CCW and your CCW is current means that you no longer have to pass a NICS check every time you purchase a firearm, because redundant background checks are redundant. (In my state, it also means no waiting period for handguns.) But if you aren’t a CCW holder (or don’t provide it to the dealer) you must have a NICS check done on you for each separate purchase because you haven’t proven that you’ve passed a background check.

James on September 5, 2015 at 5:58 PM

Thank you for explaining that in detail.

HonestLib on September 5, 2015 at 8:05 PM

Shocking study: criminals generally don’t buy guns legally at gun shops

Leftists don’t actually care whether or not criminals buy guns legally.

Their primary goal is to disarm the entire citizenry law abiding or not, so they can impose their wacko ideology on an unwilling people without fear of retaliation.

Star Bird on September 5, 2015 at 9:08 PM

SHOCKA!

Fortyback on September 5, 2015 at 9:21 PM

If we abolish all firearms in the hands of common, law-abiding citizens, then the availability of firearms for criminals to steal will eventually dry-UP, and there will be no more “rogue” firearms left outside of the control of the governing authorities for criminals to get their hands on … why are you Conservatives so incapable of seeing that?

The only way this could possibly happen is if everyone is subject to random search and seizures at any time. But of course, it would create a vast, highly corrupt police state that would do all sorts of bad things like taking bribes from those who want to keep their guns/weaponry. It doesn’t take much to realize how huge of a problem this is and would be.

93%: The percentage of ALL firearms used in criminal acts are OBTAINED ILLEGALLY, ie, on the street, through theft, etc, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

This also includes gang members who send in those without a criminal background to purchase the guns and then give it to other criminals.

DevilishSoda on September 5, 2015 at 10:00 PM

The only way this could possibly happen is if everyone is subject to random search and seizures at any time. But of course, it would create a vast, highly corrupt police state that would do all sorts of bad things like taking bribes from those who want to keep their guns/weaponry. It doesn’t take much to realize how huge of a problem this is and would be.

DevilishSoda on September 5, 2015 at 10:00 PM

Nevertheless, you’ve just described a leftist’s Utopia.

Star Bird on September 5, 2015 at 10:28 PM

Shocking study: criminals generally don’t buy guns legally at gun shops

I wonder if the author of this study was Captain Louis Renault….

There Goes the Neighborhood on September 6, 2015 at 12:34 AM

fossten on September 5, 2015 at 1:26 PM

Truth.

S. D. on September 6, 2015 at 1:22 AM

If we abolish all firearms in the hands of common, law-abiding citizens, then the availability of firearms for criminals to steal will eventually dry-UP, and there will be no more “rogue” firearms left outside of the control of the governing authorities for criminals to get their hands on … why are you Conservatives so incapable of seeing that?

“Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned ’round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man’s laws, not God’s! And if you cut them down, and you’re just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I’d give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety’s sake!” – A Man for All Seasons

chimney sweep on September 6, 2015 at 1:59 AM

This study is spot on!

Last time I was in a gun store I saw a group of Mexican bandits waiting on their background checks. They got fed up cause it was taking so long.

They said, “We don’t need no stinking backgrounds,” and walked off.

UnstChem on September 6, 2015 at 9:11 AM

These screaming, hysterical libs and total morons.

ultracon on September 6, 2015 at 12:02 PM

C’MON TLALOC ! . . . . . my sundial reset itself, already…

listens2glenn on September 6, 2015 at 12:03 PM

I saw a post on the net that stated, if you want a gun, go to a soup kitchen and hold up a hundred dollars and say I need a gun. This is probably more truth than fiction.

mixplix on September 6, 2015 at 12:54 PM

Anyone polled convicts to see how many are Democrats?

virgo on September 6, 2015 at 5:47 PM

mixplix on September 6, 2015 at 12:54 PM

Is that like dragging a hundred dollar bill through Billy Jeff’s trailer park? Or was that Carville’s trailer park?

Iamaluckyone on September 6, 2015 at 6:59 PM

Anyone polled convicts to see how many are Democrats?

virgo on September 6, 2015 at 5:47 PM

Jail survey: 7 in 10 felons register as Democrats

Star Bird on September 6, 2015 at 10:30 PM

why are you Conservatives so incapable of seeing that?

Because gun control laws consistently accomplish the exact opposite of what leftists claim they will.

Star Bird on September 6, 2015 at 10:32 PM

Study Finds That Chicago Criminals Get Guns From Friends, Family

Not acquired from gun shows or online sales

Star Bird on September 7, 2015 at 2:05 PM