Confirmed: Republicans like Democratic ideas better when they’re Trump’s

posted at 8:01 pm on September 2, 2015 by Allahpundit

Lucky for me that I’ve never thought my blogging made a lick of difference to anyone or else reading this last night would have left me looking for a new job. HuffPo came up with a simple yet brutally effective way of testing Republicans’ tolerance for Trump’s ideological heresies: They polled people on universal health care, affirmative action, the Iran deal, and Social Security and simply swapped out Trump’s endorsement of the policy in each question for some prominent Democrat’s. Would Republicans like the Iran deal any better if they thought it had Donald Trump’s approval and not just John Kerry’s?

As it turns out, they sure would. For some segment of the GOP, it seems, politics is nothing more than Team Red/Team Blue tribalism. Policy differences are mere details.

Which is to say, if it wasn’t before, the “MacGuffinization of American politics” is now a bipartisan phenomenon.

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Kerry’s endorsement of the deal generates a 52/20 D/R split. Trump’s endorsement turns that into … near parity, 54/53. By sheer coincidence, within 10 minutes of this HuffPo survey dropping yesterday, Charles Cooke went live on NRO’s website with a new post agonizing over how Trumpmania seems to have convinced some conservatives to discard their principles overnight. How can it be, he wondered, that the segment of the GOP that’s complained most loudly about RINO deviations from conservative orthodoxy over the past five years would suddenly clasp the biggest RINO of them all to its breast?

A handful of months ago many of those who now make up Trump’s rank-and-file were ideological perfectionists who hated the GOP’s leadership, believed to their souls that the country was becoming a socialist hell-hole, and insisted vehemently that they had sat out the 2012 election because Mitt Romney was such a terrible squish. Today, by dint of some dark and unholy magic, these wannabe purists have hitched their wagons to Donald Trump, the greatest shape-shifter of them all.

Thus it is that an array of self-described “true conservatives” have put themselves in the awkward position of supposing that an “assault weapons” ban isn’t that big a deal after all. Thus have the pioneers of litmus testing lined up obediently behind a guy whose position on Planned Parenthood is identical to Hillary Clinton’s. Thus have the Scalia-citing “constitutional conservatives” taken to lionizing a man whose primary criticism of the liberty-shredding Kelo v. New London ruling was that it didn’t go far enough. Thus have the screaming eagles of Twitter and beyond taken to contending that the class-conscious tax hikes that the America-hating communist Bernie Sanders proposes are akin to apple-pie-and-motherhood when they’re floated by Donald Trump.

Little did we know how quickly “take America back” would disintegrate in the face of a little pop culture.

“We have reached a moment,” Steve Schmidt told WaPo, “where conservatism isn’t defined by issues anymore for a big percentage of the country.” Is that true? Is “conservatism” really more of a cultural attitude now, at least in its populist version, than a collection of policy principles derived from the conviction that the surest way to maximize individual freedom is to limit government? Cooke writes of Trump’s heresies, “Honesty requires us to acknowledge that had President Obama endorsed exactly the same policies and rhetoric, the reaction from the Trumpkins would have been little short of nuclear.” He’s right, and if he’s right about that, how is Schmidt wrong? If anything, Cooke’s error is in assuming that Trump convinced people to discard principles that were dearly held rather than considering that it was something else all along about conservatism that’s been dearly held and that the principles were accepted only because they were assumed to be part and parcel of that something else. If Trump can protect that “something else,” whatever it may be, who cares if the policies that have traditionally been bundled with it get thrown away?

Two important caveats to HuffPo’s study, though. One: Trump was the only Republican they tested, a bad oversight given the assumption that he has some singular talismanic ability to move conservative opinion on policy through his cult of personality. I’d be curious to see how voters would react if they thought Ben Carson or Marco Rubio or Scott Walker supported the Iran deal or universal health care or whatever. I doubt the effect on righty opinion would be as great as Trump’s endorsement, but I bet it wouldn’t be zero either. To some unknown extent, what you’re seeing in these numbers isn’t a “Trump phenomenon,” it’s a partisan phenomenon. Tell a group of low-information Republicans that someone on their side, whom they respect, has endorsed affirmative action and you’ll see the numbers move, assuredly. The question is, by how much?

Caveat two: It ain’t just Republicans who suddenly find themselves questioning their principles when they learn that some famous political figure supports or opposes one of their core beliefs. Which party moved more in this test of universal health care upon learning that Donald Trump thinks it’s a good idea?

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Republican support for universal health care rose 28 points thanks to Trump’s seal of approval. Democratic support for universal health care dropped, however, by … 36 points. How many Dems out there are true believers in the ObamaCare dream and how many are mindlessly in favor for no better reason than that Barack Obama thinks it’s a keen idea? Note too that it’s not just a matter of the sheer number of Dems changing their position here, it’s a matter of going from heavy majority support to less than 50 percent in favor. Trump’s backing can turn an 82 percent Democratic consensus into a 46 percent plurality. And if you think that’s a fluke result, try this one:

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Republican support for affirmative action rises 18 points with Trump’s backing but it’s still a small share of the party that’s in favor. Democratic support for affirmative action drops 19 points with Trump’s endorsement, once again crossing from a majority consensus (64 percent) to a plurality one (45 percent). Many more issues would need to be surveyed in this way to try to draw a firm conclusion about which party has more hacks willing to go along with whatever their leadership says, but there’s at least as much reason from this to believe Democrats would win that contest as Republicans would. Any lefties out there up for some Cooke-style soul-searching about how quickly liberals drop their principles once they find out that the guy from “The Apprentice” agrees with them?

Exit question: How do you do a poll like HuffPo’s and not test people on what Trump’s support does to opinion on whether we should tax the rich? That’s probably his most prominent break from conservative orthodoxy to date, one that threatens to upend partisan polarization in Washington if it catches on. Someone test that, please.


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You know who REALLY LOVES Liberal Democrat ideas? The Republican establishment, Boehner, McConnell, Corker, and all of the rest of them.

They want us to vote for their candidate just because he’s got an R behind his name and they tell us he’s “the most electable.”

Years ago I ripped my Bush/Cheney sticker off my car and told my husband that the next time he registered for Republican membership to just get a single, not a family as I was done with the GOP. They had the Presidency, the House and the Senate and did NOTHING. It was business as usual.

You know who gets things done when they’re in power? The Democrats. They have an agenda. They have things they want to accomplish and when they get in power, they use every tool in their belt to move toward those goals.

The Republicans have no ideas that aren’t Democrat-lite. They want the same things the Democrats do, only they try and package them as “conservative.” Then, when the opportunity arises for them to actually do something conservative, they play “Kabuki Theatre” with votes that are meaningless, then throw up their hands and say, “We can’t do anything to stop the Democrats.”

So yes, I am voting for Trump unless someone can prove to me that a vote for Bush, Walker, Rubio, Christie, or anyone else who they proclaim is the only “electable” choice is really any better than voting for a Democrat.

As I’ve said before, their threat of “You have to vote for us or else a Democrat will win” has no meaning for me anymore.

tnmama on September 2, 2015 at 9:35 PM

AYNBLAND on September 2, 2015 at 9:25 PM

The only reason Sen. Cruz (whom I like) is in the race is because Trump is pulling all the fire from the GOP. In case you hadn’t noticed, he is pretty much hated by the establishment. He would be target one if it weren’t for Trump. And things that would never be discussed because of PC BS are in the forefront. I can live with that for a while.

Cindy Munford on September 2, 2015 at 9:34 PM

Rush said that. I listen to him too. It’s stupid analysis but Rush is doing it for the ratings, what’s your excuse. You’d vote for Bernie Sanders is Rush told you to.

AYNBLAND on September 2, 2015 at 9:36 PM

Confirmed: Republicans like Democratic ideas better when they’re Trump’s

Maybe that’s because their ideas are so similar…

— Trump favors socialized medicine
— Trump despises private property rights
— Trump favors longer wait times on gun purchases
— Trump is all for Obamaesque abundance of flip-flops
— Trump supports Planned Parenthood
— Trump on Obama’s stimulus: “Overall, I think he’s doing very well. You do need stimulus and you do have to keep the banks alive.”
— Trump on the auto bailouts: “I think the government should stand behind them 100%. You cannot lose the auto companies.”
— Trump on Medicare: “I’m concerned about doing anything that’s going to tinker too much with Medicare.”
— Trump on Kelo vs New London: “I happen to agree 100%.”
Bonus:
— Trump is a thin-skinned, whiny Narcissist, just like Obama

itsnotaboutme on September 2, 2015 at 9:38 PM

AYNBLAND on September 2, 2015 at 9:36 PM

Well, it’s obvious nothing we say will get you to understand why we are doing what we are doing, so it’s been nice conversing with you.

Barred on September 2, 2015 at 9:39 PM

AYNBLAND on September 2, 2015 at 9:36 PM

You really are a jackass, I don’t listen to Rush.

Cindy Munford on September 2, 2015 at 9:40 PM

GOPe and its wholly owned subsidiary Salem Inc and its wholly owned staff all sweating bullets.

VorDaj on September 2, 2015 at 9:43 PM

Rush said that. I listen to him too. It’s stupid analysis but Rush is doing it for the ratings, what’s your excuse.

It may just be too much to believe that Trump supporters came those conclusions without others.

What’s it like living in such a small world?

nobar on September 2, 2015 at 9:45 PM

Cindy Munford on September 2, 2015 at 9:40 PM

Wish I had your way with words, Cindy. :)

Barred on September 2, 2015 at 9:46 PM

Cindy Munford on September 2, 2015 at 9:40 PM

Wish I had your way with words, Cindy. :)

Barred on September 2, 2015 at 9:46 PM

It does not take many words to tell the truth.

Hinmahtooyahlatkek on September 2, 2015 at 9:48 PM

I’ve yet to hear an even semi-coherent argument for why voting for/supporting Trump is going to bring the “GOPe” down, or how it is going to do anything to advance conservatism in the long run.

Excellent117 on September 2, 2015 at 9:51 PM

Barred on September 2, 2015 at 9:46 PM

Well, it’s not like I wouldn’t listen to Rush but I am seldom in my car from 12 to 3, but suggesting that I am incapable of original thought (especially since I have been making the point about Cruz for months) is pretty insulting.

Cindy Munford on September 2, 2015 at 9:51 PM

Excellent117 on September 2, 2015 at 9:51 PM

And I have yet to see a vote cast for Trump.

Cindy Munford on September 2, 2015 at 9:52 PM

itsnotaboutme on September 2, 2015 at 9:38 PM

Trump supports following the rule of law and deporting illegal aliens, following an immigration plan written by Jeff Sessions.

You do know the difference between talking off the cuff and putting out a detailed plan, right? One takes thought, while the other is usually done without much thought. Which one takes more thought? [Jeopardy theme song]

Btw, most of the establishment agrees with your points. So why should we discount Trump when most of the establishment fits it too?

Trump is working with Cruz, so you can’t be supporting Cruz… unless you are denser than a fence post.

Pretty much invalidates everything you’ve said.

Which if we use your valuation means you should disable your account now because you’ve disqualified yourself from EVER making a meaningful comment ever again. Lets see if you will live under your own rules, or do you think that you don’t have to abide by the rules you apply to others… kind of like Hillary and her email server.

dominigan on September 2, 2015 at 9:55 PM

…The sooner you take this in, the sooner your suffering will subside. We ain’t coming back. That train has left a while ago.

Schadenfreude on September 2, 2015 at 8:10 PM

This is brilliant. Glad you reposted it.

Typicalwhitewoman on September 2, 2015 at 9:59 PM

Rush said that. I listen to him too. It’s stupid analysis…

AYNBLAND on September 2, 2015 at 9:36 PM

Why? It’s true. All the conservatives are up in the polls, and no one is taking aim at them… they’re all focused on Trump. Plus Cruz has met multiple times with Trump. And Trump announced a co-rally with Cruz AND Carson. And Cruz invited Trump to the anti-Iran treaty rally, and to the border for photo-ops.

Yeah, who are you going to believe, your own crazy fantasies or co-announcements from candidates already working together.

You might want to up your meds. You’re starting to sound like mnjg and that poor soul went off the deep end today.

dominigan on September 2, 2015 at 9:59 PM

AYNBLAND on September 2, 2015 at 9:36 PM

Well, it’s obvious nothing we say will get you to understand why we are doing what we are doing, so it’s been nice conversing with you.

Barred on September 2, 2015 at 9:39 PM

It’s denial. It’s one of the primary symptoms of grief, usually generated by experiencing a traumatic loss. It’s a symptom being expressed to varying degree by many of the Establishmentarians.

thatsafactjack on September 2, 2015 at 10:00 PM

Why I’m grinning so much. The psychology and your hectoring is incredible. It’s also too much fun to throw your hypocrisy into their eyes.

I’ll re-post, since we are asked and lectured about it, so often, without you realizing it:

Pals, this is the only “discordant” item.

Please read it a few times, because it is absolutely true. It will save you frustration and repetition, in vain.

The most fascinating part is that we’ve had this conservative purity test going on for decades, and we were derided by the RINOs, now the DIABLOs.

Trump fails that test in every regard. But nobody cares. Why? There is no purity.

You have proven that for too long, and we believe you, finally.

We are the moderates you wanted us to be, for all the times you ridiculed us. We were always too “conservative” and “Akin-like” for you and your kind, you the “erudite and superior” over us. You know exactly how it went, for so many election cycles.

Now, all of a sudden, you are the newly minted “severely conservatives”.

We learned, and you didn’t.

Do you know how funny this is?

I’m sorry if this affects you, especially if you were not nasty to us, but we recall the ‘beatings’, I bet you that we do. Payback is now.

The sooner you take this in, the sooner your suffering will subside. We ain’t coming back. That train has left a while ago.

Schadenfreude on September 2, 2015 at 8:10 PM

This deserves a re-post. I wish the Trump-bashers would read and understand, but they won’t. We’ve explained until we’re blue and they don’t listen. They’re too busy drooling on their keyboard.

dominigan on September 2, 2015 at 10:03 PM

It’s denial. It’s one of the primary symptoms of grief, usually generated by experiencing a traumatic loss. It’s a symptom being expressed to varying degree by many of the Establishmentarians.

thatsafactjack on September 2, 2015 at 10:00 PM

Thing is, these Establishmentarians (I am so borrowing that!) better suck it up because they have a few decades of payback from conservatives. They’re not going to survive being in the minority for that long unless they pace themselves.

dominigan on September 2, 2015 at 10:05 PM

Schadenfreude on September 2, 2015 at 8:10 PM

Excellent points. And I will, again, point out another. I thought they wanted us to embrace Northeastern moderates, that’s usually their choice.

Cindy Munford on September 2, 2015 at 10:05 PM

dominigan on September 2, 2015 at 10:03 PM

Which I find pretty darned entertaining!

Cindy Munford on September 2, 2015 at 10:07 PM

This is silly. Any time you take a survey like this, on any issue, there will be a substantial fraction of people surveyed who have not been following the issue closely, or even at all. Obviously people like that are going to be inclined to defer to people who they have generally agreed with on other things.

This is particularly true on things like the Iran deal, where low info voters are likely to be unaware of the actual terms of the deal.

RINO in Name Only on September 2, 2015 at 10:41 PM

Excellent points. And I will, again, point out another. I thought they wanted us to embrace Northeastern moderates, that’s usually their choice.

Cindy Munford on September 2, 2015 at 10:05 PM

We’re embracing a New Yorker, Cindy. See how nuanced we’ve become. They ought to be proud of us and their years of efforts.

Marcus, you dummy, don’t type about ‘experience’ when you live in Rubio’s azz.

Schadenfreude on September 2, 2015 at 11:12 PM

No, Republicans like Democrat ideas when they’re ideas pushed by Republicans:

ObamaCare — “Severely Conservative” Mitt Romney

Attacks against the First Amendment under the guise of “campaign reform” — John McCain

Amnesty/open-borders immigration — McCain/Graham/Bush/Rubio/Chamber of Commerce

Expanding Medicare — Bush/Tokyo Rove, who called it an “investment” (borrowing lefty language; or they borrowed it from Rove).

No Child Left Behind — McCain/Bush

Ethanol/increased farm subsidies promoted by Algore — McCain/Bush/other Republicans

Growing the federal government, giving the federal government more authority, and/or getting the federal government more involved in business/people’s lives — every Republican administration since Coolidge.

The Republican Party is not — and hasn’t been for decades — a conservative party that is fiscally-conservative. It is a socially-conservative version of the Democrat Party that took a more neoconservative turn after 9/11.

Ex-Im Bank, TARP, auto bailouts, “stimulus” packages, “green energy” programs, increased foreign aid, tariffs on steel, the Dubai ports deal, calls to raise the gas tax, talk of “carbon taxes”, cap-and-trade legislation, TPP/TPA, trading liberty for security, more bureaucracy in the name of “keeping America safe” … the list goes on.

If you’re a fiscal conservative, the Republican Party is just as bad as the Democrat Party, if not worse.

Aizen on September 3, 2015 at 12:13 AM

If Trump can protect that “something else,” whatever it may be, who cares if the policies that have traditionally been bundled with it get thrown away?

Interesting idea; I would like to see that tested somehow.

AesopFan on September 3, 2015 at 12:26 AM

I would actually vote for any of the candidates running as Republican right now. Even Trump. And sign, even Bush. I wish Bush wasn’t running, but even he is better than Hillary.

I am entertained by Trump. He doesn’t even embarrass me. Everyone knows is believes everything he says, until he changes his mind. And I don’t even care.

Anyone who wins is going to have a tough row to hoe after the mess Obama has made of everything.

I don’t have much hope than any of them can do much but watch the nation continue to decline.

I am not much inspired by any of them.

The country had a chance to save itself in 2012, that didn’t happen, now it’s too late.

Rome went on for centuries with a totally corrupt government, I suppose we will limp along as well.

petunia on September 3, 2015 at 12:48 AM

Wow, I really type badly. Sorry.

petunia on September 3, 2015 at 12:49 AM

LIV’s

Can’t shoot ’em, can’t deport ’em.

Oxymoron on September 3, 2015 at 1:18 AM

I don’t have much hope than any of them can do much but watch the nation continue to decline.

I am not much inspired by any of them.

The country had a chance to save itself in 2012, that didn’t happen, now it’s too late.

Rome went on for centuries with a totally corrupt government, I suppose we will limp along as well.

petunia on September 3, 2015 at 12:48 AM

Awwww, petunia,

Do not despair.

We’re so used to inept, corrupt politicians that never have to achieve anything, compared to really good businessmen at the top of the food chain.

Donald Trump is that kind of man.

When we kicked out Carter the whole mood of the country changed for the better. It was instant.

When Donald said he would be the best “jobs president”, I believed him immediately.

I’ve seen companies and jobs created from nothing. Entrepreneurs like Larry Ellison of Oracle fame, coming from two rooms on Sand Hill Road in Menlo Park, Calif to his worldwide empire, employing thousands.

It’s time to go rogue and bet on Trump.
His ability to handle the media is a HUGE asset that none of the others have.

The Uniparty is afraid for a reason. Donald can win and not be beholden to LaRaza/Univision. It means the GOPe has lost control.
Even Ted Cruz can’t do that.

Typicalwhitewoman on September 3, 2015 at 2:20 AM

Trump is where the real conservatives of principle are separated from the pretenders.

Support Trump, and you’re no conservative.

Strawman argument about Jeb, McConnell, and/or Boehner in 3…2…1….

DRayRaven on September 3, 2015 at 6:05 AM

I’ve yet to hear an even semi-coherent argument for why voting for/supporting Trump is going to bring the “GOPe” down, or how it is going to do anything to advance conservatism in the long run.

Excellent117 on September 2, 2015 at 9:51 PM

This series of articles got me to see the light:

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/07/13/why-i-support-donald-trumps-campaign-and-its-probably-not-what-you-think/

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/08/05/why-i-support-donald-trump-part-2/

and Why I “Still” Support Donald Trump – Part 3 “The Intellectual Argument”… from the same place.

Once you realize it’s a Binary choice: “Trump or Bush”, then you realize who you have to support.

Skipity on September 3, 2015 at 7:32 AM

I agree, DRayRaven. I know plenty of conservatives (myself included) who opposed McCain and Romney and who oppose Trump as well. He is to the left of even the RINO establishment in many ways. Yet there are so many jumping on board. I do not get it at all. Why not just support Hillary? She probably hates the R establishment as well. If bashing the republicans is all that matters, then Obama should be their hero. They seem to forget that there are any other candidates in the race besides Bush. I will proudly vote for Cruz. He is a genuine conservative, not a loudmouth who has about 10 different positions on every issue.

squeek71 on September 3, 2015 at 7:34 AM

Hey Allah. You just keep fucking that chicken and one day we will all suddenly wake up and realize how great the GOPe has treated us.

Nice push polling too. oh yea that was great.

brainpimp on September 3, 2015 at 8:13 AM

Well, it’s obvious nothing we say will get you to understand why we are doing what we are doing, so it’s been nice conversing with you.

Barred on September 2, 2015 at 9:39 PM

Everyone understands why you’re doing what you’re doing. It’s just that what you’re doing is really stupid and we expected better from you.

alchemist19 on September 3, 2015 at 8:33 AM

Confirmed: the base despises the gopE as much as the Corrupt Bastids Club despises their base.

Fact: Trump wins the general and the CBC loses their job.

It’s not rocket science.

Jayrae on September 3, 2015 at 8:51 AM

Confirmed: Republicans like Democratic ideas better when they’re Trump’s

..than when they’re the establishment.

So what’s the difference other than Trump is DESTROYING the establishment!

dominigan on September 3, 2015 at 8:53 AM

I agree, DRayRaven. I know plenty of conservatives (myself included) who opposed McCain and Romney and who oppose Trump as well. He is to the left of even the RINO establishment…

squeek71 on September 3, 2015 at 7:34 AM

I stopped reading right there because the stupid burned so much.

Name a single RINO who proposed an immigration plan written by Jeff Sessions, and when asked if he would deport the children of illegal aliens (who are illegal aliens themselves) said “YES”.

Name them.

Otherwise your entire argument falls apart.

dominigan on September 3, 2015 at 8:55 AM

I will proudly vote for Cruz. He is a genuine conservative, not a loudmouth who has about 10 different positions on every issue.

squeek71 on September 3, 2015 at 7:34 AM

Oh, so you like H-1B visas?

H-1B visas are a conservative position?

You like someone who is “Bought and Paid For?”

It’s okay for Senator Cruz to say that he running against the cartel but yet his largest donor wants to hire foreigners who are MIT grads to work at his hedge fund?

It’s okay that 93 million Americans are out of work but Cruz wants to increase H-1B visas 500%?

It’s okay for American MIT grads to be mired in debt and lose a job to a foreigner?

It’s okay to be a freshman senator and have “NO EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE” just like 0bama and run for POTUS?

Reason much?

Jayrae on September 3, 2015 at 8:59 AM

Allah the GOPe supporter, trolling his readers with a manipulative survey from the HuffPo.

Heh. click, click, click, Allah… you win.

captnjoe on September 3, 2015 at 9:01 AM

Trump is where the real conservatives of principle are separated from the pretenders.

Support Trump, and you’re no conservative.

Strawman argument about Jeb, McConnell, and/or Boehner in 3…2…1….

DRayRaven on September 3, 2015 at 6:05 AM

Instead of bashing conservatives who are trying to correct the establishment, perhaps you should try building up whoever your candidate is.

You sound EXACTLY like an establishment supporter. There is no difference in your arguments.

We warned the establishment we would revolt if they continued backstabbing us, and we have. The establishment is now in disarray, conservative platforms are being talked about, fought back against media spin, conservatives are rising in the polls, Trump has announced co-rallies with both Cruz AND Carson, and establishment candidates are falling.

REAL CONSERVATIVES care about results, not talk. And Trump is already delivering on all the points I mentioned above, and hasn’t even won the nomination Which is why you fall into the faux conservative slot. You care about talk, not results.

dominigan on September 3, 2015 at 9:01 AM

I will proudly vote for Cruz. He is a genuine conservative, not a loudmouth who has about 10 different positions on every issue.

squeek71 on September 3, 2015 at 7:34 AM

And since Cruz is working with Trump, and will most likely result in a Trump/Cruz ticket… Will you still support him?

dominigan on September 3, 2015 at 9:02 AM

This poll just confirms that hyper-partisanship exists, where actual issues take a backseat to the hatred (or devotion) towards a person or group.

Democrats are guilty of it, republicans are guilty of it.. that’s our broken, shitty system for you. Two groups that despise each other. Facts are irrelevant. Everyone loses.

triple on September 3, 2015 at 9:02 AM

Nonsense. As soon as Trump endorses free trade with China, and back peddles on immigration, he’s finished.
It isn’t blue term vs red team it is the purple team vs reality. And right now Trump is the only choice representing reality.
HugoDrax on September 2, 2015 at 8:07 PM

Trump’s clothing line and his other branded products are made in China. Trump supported the 1996 Asian free trade agreement. Trump was for outright amnesty just a few years ago. Now he says he will deport all illegals AND FAST TRACK BACK TO THE U.S. “THE GOOD ONES.” It is time for you to face reality.

fight like a girl on September 3, 2015 at 9:08 AM

Which I find pretty darned entertaining!

Cindy Munford on September 2, 2015 at 10:07 PM

You know Cindy, I find it extremely entertaining!

I don’t think the establishment supporters understand how angry the conservative base was/is. I honestly thought that in a year or two there would be calls for million man ARMED rallies in DC. I fully expected it. I’m not kidding or exaggerating. When I say that Trump is our bloodless revolution, I’m not kidding. For the last few decades I have been patient, but grown angrier and angrier as our country has been willfully destroyed by our enemies, both the Ds & Rs.

But now, I’m laughing. I’m actually happy. I won’t be considering whether to “take up arms” because we really can use our voice through the political process.

The establishment supporters should really be happy that we are taking the route we are. We are supporting a northeast moderate just like they forced on us last campaign. We have started a revolution without the use of blood in the streets.

Conservatives are happy because we are in control, and the establishment knows the meaning of fear, and our country could actually be turned around and made great again!

dominigan on September 3, 2015 at 9:14 AM

Reason much?

Jayrae on September 3, 2015 at 8:59 AM

Know much?

Total H1B visas are currently capped at 85,000 per year. They are only issued to PhD and Masters degree applicants. source

So a 500% increase is 425,000 total under the proposed cap.

Yea, your right, we should ignore the 11 million undocumented, uneducated, illegals, the majority of those will end up on the dole. Cruz’s plan to cut that number down to size doesn’t matter.

Ban those damn smart people that can get jobs right away, and contribute to our society, cuz, you know, they might take away jobs from less qualified, whining, entitled, citizens.

captnjoe on September 3, 2015 at 9:16 AM

Trump the Jessie Ventura…the “bigger than life”, the man who will take down the establishment…just like Jessie did…or didn’t.

But Trump supporters think they are different from Jessie supporters…sorry, same mindset, same hope, same belief that a guy on TV is the same as the guy in the mansion running the state or country.

You are attracted to the narcissism of a self absorbed man…whether it is Jessie or Trump…but wait, you are different, that’s what you tell yourself, but you are not.

Glamour, like the screaming kids at a concert, or an Obama rally, or a Jessie rally (when he was running)…it’s all the same.

right2bright on September 3, 2015 at 9:20 AM

fight like a girl on September 3, 2015 at 9:08 AM

The reality is that the system is rigged by the establishment and Democrats to export production to other countries. Trump played by those rules just like others had to. But that doesn’t mean that he likes or prefers it. In fact, if you listen to him, he is pretty clear that it is BECAUSE HE DISLIKES IT is why he is running for President to effect change.

Stop blaming the Establishment/Democrat failures on Trump. He hasn’t even been in office yet. By attacking him, you are saying you prefer the status quo, the exportation of jobs to other countries. Is that right? Or do you have someone else in mind to change the status quo?

And if so, why are you spending time bashing Trump instead of winning support for your “effector of change”?

The only answer I can come up with is that you are establishment, and you fear real change, especially the conservatives taking over and controlling the party.

dominigan on September 3, 2015 at 9:21 AM

right2bright on September 3, 2015 at 9:20 AM

Jesse Ventura ran a successful business and created a multi-billion dollar empire? And then ran for office advancing conservative ideas like an immigration plan written by Jeff Sessions?

Have you lost your f***ing mind?

You sound like Weed.

dominigan on September 3, 2015 at 9:22 AM

Now he says he will deport all illegals AND FAST TRACK BACK TO THE U.S. “THE GOOD ONES.” It is time for you to face reality.

fight like a girl on September 3, 2015 at 9:08 AM

You don’t see?

Step 1 is deport them all. They have to go. Even the babies of illegals. “They have to go”

Once their out, that “Fast track” can be fast as everything else in government (like the keystone pipeline) and “Good Ones” can be “the ones who didn’t previously break our immigration laws.”

But we’ll cross that bridge after we have crossed step 1.

If we don’t succeed in “deporting all illegals” . . . like if we can only deport 80% of them, then we can’t proceed to the “fast track”.

You rant “zOMG he made Ties in China!”

And on China, how is that inconsistent? “Currency devaluation and the lack of tariffs has made it so that smart business people manufacture too much in China. I am a smart business man. We should penalize China when they engage in this currency manipulation and selectively target tariffs.”

Will you support the Trump / Cruz ticket in the General?

Skipity on September 3, 2015 at 9:25 AM

Trump’s clothing line and his other branded products are made in China. Trump supported the 1996 Asian free trade agreement. Trump was for outright amnesty just a few years ago. Now he says he will deport all illegals AND FAST TRACK BACK TO THE U.S. “THE GOOD ONES.” It is time for you to face reality.

fight like a girl on September 3, 2015 at 9:08 AM

“a few years ago”, dear, the facts on the ground were different. Please try to keep up.

The Donald is for letting the productive ones back in. Those would be the ones that come back LEGALLY, pay taxes, have jobs, stay off the welfare system. Yea, problematic for you, I know.

It is time for you to face reality. As an entrepreneur that has had products made and imported from China (medical testing devices), I know a thing or two about outsourcing. Because a business does it does not mean they are wrong, or that they support the entire 1996 agreement. I would happily have my products made here, if that asshat Obama and his administration would not have made it fiscally impossible. The problem is regulation here, not less encumbered trade from anywhere else.

Basically, you rely on distorted emotional arguments every single time I read your posts. Was your old nom “Bluegill”?

Try to put your emotions aside for a change, and “face reality”.

captnjoe on September 3, 2015 at 9:27 AM

Because if we continue to allow the invasion by the third world nothing else matters and Trump is the only one that seems to give a damn.

wheelgun on September 3, 2015 at 9:34 AM

It makes no difference to me what Donald believes. Boehner and McConnell have already proven that my beliefs are not important. Its the game that is important. Boehner and McConnell have kicked me off their team, so why shouldn’t I join Donald’s team. To quote Richard Gere, I got nowhere to go.

steveracer on September 3, 2015 at 9:35 AM

Everyone loses.

triple on September 3, 2015 at 9:02 AM

Bmore on September 3, 2015 at 9:35 AM

It makes no difference to me what Donald believes. Boehner and McConnell have already proven that my beliefs are not important. Its the game that is important. Boehner and McConnell have kicked me off their team, so why shouldn’t I join Donald’s team. To quote Richard Gere, I got nowhere to go.

steveracer on September 3, 2015 at 9:35 AM

Because you should join Rand Paul’s team.

TBSchemer on September 3, 2015 at 9:39 AM

Jesse Ventura ran a successful business and created a multi-billion dollar empire? And then ran for office advancing conservative ideas like an immigration plan written by Jeff Sessions?

Have you lost your f***ing mind?

You sound like Weed.

dominigan on September 3, 2015 at 9:22 AM

Donald Trump is basically Mitt Romney with a bad attitude. By supporting Trump, conservatives are only proving that they’re just as bad as the GOPe.

TBSchemer on September 3, 2015 at 9:41 AM

“the most unfortunate thing about Trump’s campaign is the way it has drawn White Power types out of the woodwork”
Robert Tracinski The Federalist

Pretty much explains the poll.

crco on September 3, 2015 at 9:45 AM

Jesse Ventura ran a successful business and created a multi-billion dollar empire? And then ran for office advancing conservative ideas like an immigration plan written by Jeff Sessions?

Have you lost your f***ing mind?

You sound like Weed.

dominigan on September 3, 2015 at 9:22 AM

He accomplished nothing in office…and advanced “conservative” ideas?

Really, promoting Global Warming…he was and is a nut case…but he did make money suing an American Hero, so he you are right about being successful.

You think I sound like “weed”, I think you have been partying with him…

“I respect the fact that he would die for his convictions. So a mirror of Che Guevara has a profound place in my house. I’m not the least ashamed to say that when I go to wash my hands I look at Che,” gloats Jesse Ventura.

Think again my friend…unless now Che is your conservative hero.

right2bright on September 3, 2015 at 10:00 AM

Don’t usually like to drink before 8am, but this is gonna be a Trump-humping hooly of a thread. Think I’ll call in sick.

Arnold Yabenson on September 3, 2015 at 10:01 AM

I want to take this questions seriously and statistically.

If Obama said he would build a border fence in exchange for something he wants money for, we still would not trust him, to get his part of the deal, and then blow off on the fence.

So Ideas are not just ideas, it matters whose hands they are in.

This is why we have to call any immigration changes, Amnesty. It is why Rubio could not succeed with the Gang of 8, because when democrats fix something, you get Obamacare, rigid and changed behind the scenes; you get the IRS, government workers doing the bidding of the democrat party, and calling that government work.

I would listen to Trump call Greta, before he was running, and only half the time would I agree with him, but he does seem to want to streamline a conservative way, and people trust him to want the best results from watching him run things on TV. Sorry, they do know him from TV, but that gives more confidence in the result. There fore you can get immigration reform, because the RESULT will be more like what conservatives expect. Democrat immigration reform is a free for all, Everything Free in America!

Fleuries on September 3, 2015 at 10:02 AM

Jayrae, absolutely I will take a candidate who supports H1-B visas over a candidate who believes in socialized medicine and raising taxes… Trump also has said since running for president that Bill Clinton is his favorite recent president and that the republicans caused the economic crisis, not the dems. He said he did not believe the dems would do that. Never mind, the dems are the ones who forced banks to give out bad loans… and when Bush tried to rein in Freddie and Fannie, the dems opposed regulating them. Trump has no concept of how big govt. getting into the business world harms things. Supporting H1-Bs (which is not a huge number of people) is nothing to me compared to supporting big government. Trump is not a conservative in any way, shape or form.

And, dominigan, no I would not support a Trump ticket, even with Cruz on it.

squeek71 on September 3, 2015 at 10:05 AM

Will you support the Trump / Cruz ticket in the General?

Skipity on September 3, 2015 at 9:25 AM

You missed an important component…he wants to fast track them back and make the LEGAL, meaning back on the government dole, legally eligible for all entitlements.

So let’s say 80% come back, that’s like 10 million or more on the government welfare programs we have to pay for.

I get the issue of work permits, like Carly wants, but don’t make them legal, make them re-apply to allow them the opportunity to live in this country.

It’s not a minor component, it’s the most important…getting them off the government payroll, not supporting immigrants who want to come here an milk the system.

You and Trump don’t mind paying for that…most of us do.

right2bright on September 3, 2015 at 10:06 AM

Trump’s clothing line and his other branded products are made in China. Trump supported the 1996 Asian free trade agreement. Trump was for outright amnesty just a few years ago. Now he says he will deport all illegals AND FAST TRACK BACK TO THE U.S. “THE GOOD ONES.” It is time for you to face reality.

fight like a girl on September 3, 2015 at 9:08 AM

Not to correct you…but fast track and make them legal…

That is an important word “LEGAL”…he is, along with Jeb and Rubio, wanting them to be legal.

right2bright on September 3, 2015 at 10:09 AM

And for those who keep saying any politician who is accepting donations is corrupt, get a life. It takes money to win. And Trump’s PAC is taking big money as well. Trump admits to using money to buy influence. He is corrupt and is part of the problem. I am glad that a conservative like Cruz has money to fight the establishment guys like Bush. I think people should be able to donate to those who support their beliefs. Not every person who takes money is “owned.” If Cruz is owned, then so is your guy. He is taking money too.

squeek71 on September 3, 2015 at 10:09 AM

SHUT UP AND GET ME ANOTHER SCHLITZ!

…and a bag of those fire hot Cheetos!

Arnold Yabenson on September 3, 2015 at 10:11 AM

Breaking: The Establishment is Dead. Believed to be suicide.

faraway on September 3, 2015 at 10:27 AM

Back in July, when Trump was at the border, he said “In certain sections, you have to have a wall. Absolutely.” If another candidate would have said that, Trump supporters would have jumped all over it as not good enough (btw, of the roughly 2000 miles of border with Mexico, there’s already over 600 miles of fencing…in certain sections).

crco on September 3, 2015 at 10:28 AM

Voting for a party that betrays us election after election is NOT a conservative value….

But apparently it is however, a republican value. Congrats you ‘condescending know-it-alls’ You now stand with Lindsey Graham and Jeb Bush. Be proud.

deedtrader on September 3, 2015 at 10:30 AM

Polls return the results that the pollster wants. So I don’t really put must faith in their accuracy.

It is kind of like global warming; they get the results the government wants. If you pay for global warming you get global warming.

Dasher on September 3, 2015 at 10:30 AM

4 game suspension against Brady vacated!!

ha ha

WestportSC on September 3, 2015 at 10:31 AM

Remember when the GOPe said we can’t do anything, we don’t have the house or the senate. So we gave them the house in 2010. Then they said we still can’t do anything, we don’t have the senate. So in 2012 we gave them the Senate. Now they say we still can’t do anything because we don’t have the Presidency. If we give them that what will be their excuse?

Unfortunately the GOP is called the stupid party for a reason.

Dasher on September 3, 2015 at 10:35 AM

Sorry that was 2014 we gave them the senate.

Dasher on September 3, 2015 at 10:36 AM

Breaking: Mass Fumigation sweeps the country. NRO is dead. Federalist dead. JebState dead. Still looking for survivors. AllahPundit Lives!

faraway on September 3, 2015 at 10:40 AM

I support Cruz

AYNBLAND on September 2, 2015 at 9:25 PM

So now “AYNBLAND” pretends to be a Cruz supporter in his dishonest attacks on Talk Radio?

He must be the only Cruz “supporter” who is also a huge fan of Mitch McConnell:

it’s absurd to lump McConnell in as RINO of any kind.

He’s the freaking Poster Boy for Opposition to Obama and Obamacare.

AYNBLAND on February 26, 2014 at 10:57 PM

Norwegian on September 3, 2015 at 11:04 AM

Dasher, if you want them to do something, you need to choose a president who will actually make a focused effort to shrink government. Not Trump, not Carson, not Walker. Paul is the one you want.

TBSchemer on September 3, 2015 at 11:17 AM

Speaking as a conservative in the real world….

Nobody believes Trump will be nominated or win the presidency. Right now conservatives are relishing the fact that Trump can get away with saying so many things without being pummeled in the press about it. Well, he gets pummeled but nothing happens to him.

Whenever a conservative opens his mouth the liberal media swallows him/her up and POOF they are gone. Trump does not get eaten.

So in a sense he is a “pretend conservative” who can say all the things we wish we could say but can’t. The left obviously does not appreciate our warped sense of humor.

Frankly, the longer the press remains obsessed with Trump and not concentrating on Scott Walker (who every conservative really expects to be our next president) the better.

MomofFour on September 3, 2015 at 12:40 PM

Wow, AP is seriously becoming unhinged over Trump. It’s very sad to see.

Paperclips on September 3, 2015 at 1:44 PM

Frankly, the longer the press remains obsessed with Trump and not concentrating on Scott Walker (who every conservative really expects to be our next president) the better.

MomofFour on September 3, 2015 at 12:40 PM

Every conservative?

The_Jacobite on September 3, 2015 at 1:50 PM

Last Nov. was the absolute last fooling.

Schadenfreude on September 2, 2015 at 8:25 PM

Precisely.

nico on September 3, 2015 at 2:11 PM

And Democrats dislike Democrat policies when they’re espoused by Trump.
What else would you expect in the Era of Personality?

Another Drew on September 3, 2015 at 2:32 PM

Jebbie said “we need a positive candidate to run”.

Why will Jeb then, funded by lobbyists, run a 30 million dollars negative ad campaign against Trump?

Schadenfreude on September 3, 2015 at 3:18 PM

I don’t have time to read the whole thread, so if someone’s already said this, my deep apologies.

The HuffPo questions are misleading, and so most people are answering based on the part they grasped – the candidate’s name. For instance,

NAME is opposed to ripping up the deal to put limits on Iran’s nuclear program and instead, argues it must be strictly enforced. Do you agree or disagree with NAME about the Iran deal?

uses FIVE reversals of thought before it asks the question. At which point, people ignore the HuffPo’s characterization of the candidate’s position, and just answer as they already think the candidate advocates.

HuffPo does this so they can denigrate Republican voters and fans of Trump’s positions. Are we going to fall for their crap??

momodoom on September 3, 2015 at 4:16 PM

Exit question: How do you do a poll like HuffPo’s and not test people on what Trump’s support does to opinion on whether we should tax the rich? That’s probably his most prominent break from conservative orthodoxy to date, one that threatens to upend partisan polarization in Washington if it catches on. Someone test that, please.

#1. This poll was conducted by HuffPo. As a conservative Trump supporter, I would never visit that site.

#2. Every GOP candidate ran on repealing Obamacare. None of them did. So the whole “he’s not a conservative” argument means nothing.

#3. The GOP stands for nothing, and they cower in fear. Trump is a leader, whether you like him or not.

#4. When you are in the pocket of the CoC, your positions are at the whim of people who profit off of amnesty, Obamacare, and planned parenthood, so you have a deep credibility problem.

And this is why any so called arguments of true conservatism rings hollow

Brock Robamney on September 8, 2015 at 5:43 AM

I think there are many people who are willing to overlook Trump’s leftist positions because he will champion the immigration issue. This is an issue that most establishment republicans won’t touch or are not interested in at all. This is a huge issue and republican leaders have ignored their own base to suck up to Chamber of Commerce donors. I think many people believe that too often the republicans will only pay lip service to all these conservative principals just to get elected and then cave and fold like a cheap suit the minute the leftist press and democrats squeal. They figure if they are going to get sold out why not go for someone who at least will champion one of those conservative principals establishment republicans claim to hold. They figure it might be worth it to deal with Trump’s leftist tendencies on other issues if we can finally get border security. Make sense?

Dollayo on September 10, 2015 at 9:22 AM