GOP’s new idea to stop Trump: Make candidates pledge to support the nominee in order to qualify for the ballot

posted at 6:01 pm on August 25, 2015 by Allahpundit

Dumb. You think Trump gives a crap about a pledge? He’d take the pledge, renounce it later, then laugh at what losers these Republican leaders are for ever believing that he’d keep his promise.

And his fans would cheer him on. “He outwitted the RINOs by making them think he’s a man of his word!”

The Virginia and North Carolina parties are in discussions about implementing a new requirement for candidates to qualify for their primary ballots: that they pledge to support the Republican presidential nominee — and not run as a third-party candidate — in the general election…

Any moves to tie Trump’s hands, though, could infuriate the mercurial billionaire, who has warned that he could bolt the party if GOP leaders treat him unfairly. On Tuesday morning, Roger Stone, a longtime former Trump strategist, wrote on Twitter that the state party effort would backfire. “The kind of thing that could make @realDonaldTrump bolt the GOP and run 3rd party or Indy,” he said…

“Ballot access usually is regarded as party function,” said Tom Josefiak, a former RNC chief counsel. “It definitely would be left up to the state party to decide how it’s going to operate.”

The South Carolina GOP requires a loyalty pledge to make the ballot. Trump has until September 30th to decide.

I understand why GOPers are jittery about Trump going third-party but that seems less likely to happen every day. In fact, if you’re a Trump-hater who’s groaning over his polling, there’s your silver lining — the better he does now, the more likely he is to commit himself to the Republican race and try to win the party’s nomination. And his odds of doing that are still much, much lower than the odds are that he’d successfully wreck the GOP’s chances in the general election as an indie. If your endgame here is Republican victory next fall, you’re better off trying to stop Trump in the primaries than having him as a loose cannon firing at the party from the outside. Building a formidable independent campaign that qualifies for the ballot in all 50 states will take lots of money, organization, and time. Trump has the first of those three but the second is questionable, and the longer he spends atop the GOP field, the less he’ll have of the third this winter to try to put together an indie bid if his lead among Republicans starts to collapse.

Besides, as Ken Cuccinelli noted to Politico, there are “sore loser laws” in some states that block candidates from running in the general election as an independent if they compete in a party primary and lose. Other states require candidates to register for the primary and general elections on the same day, effectively blocking a third-party switch later. There may be ways around those laws depending upon how much you want to spend on lawyers and how lucky you feel in court, but the safe play would be for Trump to decide whether to stick it out in the GOP race or abandon the party before the voting has even started. If his polling has collapsed before Iowa, he’ll be looking at blowing tens of millions of bucks on a third-party bid where all he can do is play spoiler, and if his polling hasn’t collapsed, he’ll have every reason to remain a Republican and take his chances with GOP voters. What would a ballot pledge do to stop him that those electoral laws don’t? Besides, if Trump wants to wreck the GOP nominee in the general, he doesn’t have to go to any bother involving registering as a candidate, spending money, stumping around the country, etc. He could simply quit the Republican race in due time and then spend next summer doing media hits urging his fans not to vote in the fall. “The best thing you can do now to make America great again,” he could say, “is to send a message to Republicans by staying home this year.” Same basic effect as a third-party candidacy without any of the hassle. Imagine how grateful President Hillary will be.

Here’s Glenn Beck being asked last night on CNN whether he’d vote for Trump as the Republican nominee. Hot Air alum Noah Rothman, a sharp Trump critic, makes a sharp point on a related note here: If you disdain Trump so much that you’d force him to take a loyalty oath, shouldn’t you, as a Republican, pledge to vote for him next fall if he’s the party’s nominee? If you want to reserve your right to boycott a Trump/Clinton election, maybe you shouldn’t demand vows of fealty from anyone else.


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And here we go with the litmus tests :P

chris0christies0donut on August 25, 2015 at 6:03 PM

The GOPe pay the Smartset/Consultant class big money for these ideas…..

d1carter on August 25, 2015 at 6:03 PM

Bad idea.

Bmore on August 25, 2015 at 6:04 PM

Hot Air alum Noah Rothman, a sharp Trump critic, makes a sharp point

Allah, FYI – you misspelled “shart”.

Norwegian on August 25, 2015 at 6:05 PM

So, instead of making the candidates support border enforcement, the GOP is trying to control the type of candidate.

How about if the GOP voters move to a new party. Or did someone in the eGOP didn’t think that far ahead.

Oil Can on August 25, 2015 at 6:07 PM

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4. Target veterans, patriots, or anyone who oppose us, and kill them.

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davidk on August 25, 2015 at 6:07 PM

The GOPe is in full panic mode…How are we going to rid ourselves of this guy..?

d1carter on August 25, 2015 at 6:08 PM

Why aren’t we talking about how we rid ourselves of Jeb…?

d1carter on August 25, 2015 at 6:08 PM

If they pull a Thad Cochran and get Mike Tyson or Barney Frank nominated as the GOP candidate, would the other candidates be forced to support him and barred from running against him?

Buddahpundit on August 25, 2015 at 6:12 PM

Burn This (GOPe) B!TCH Down!!!

OmahaConservative on August 25, 2015 at 6:13 PM

“Let me be very clear to the morons in the Republican establishment. If they try to pull this cr*p I guarantee you that I’ll run third party.”
-Trumpinator

El_Terrible on August 25, 2015 at 6:14 PM

What I think he’d say

El_Terrible on August 25, 2015 at 6:14 PM

Does this party belong to the voters or the RNC committee members and the top 10% of their donor list?

Rhetorical question.

kcewa on August 25, 2015 at 6:15 PM

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davidk on August 25, 2015 at 6:16 PM

Hot Air alum Noah Rothman, a sharp Trump critic, makes a sharp point on a related note here: If you disdain Trump so much that you’d force him to take a loyalty oath, shouldn’t you, as a Republican, pledge to vote for him next fall if he’s the party’s nominee?

Little Noah with a sharp point? Seems unlikely. Noah seems to have missed the debate where 24 million people saw the other 9 candidates already pledge a loyalty oath to support Trump as the GOP nominee.

In any case, it’s good to read that Noah landed on his feet somewhere. Commentary is a good spot for him as the Middle East/foreign affairs is just about the only area where he wrote as a conservative when he was here.

sauldalinsky on August 25, 2015 at 6:17 PM

What is the liability if he reneges and runs as 3rd party? None, you say? Mwahahaha.

Rix on August 25, 2015 at 6:17 PM

GOP’s new idea to stop Trump: Make candidates pledge to support the nominee in order to qualify for the ballot

Here’s an idea.

Why don’t you come up with a message that resonates with voters, one that can trump the Trump.

TheMadHessian on August 25, 2015 at 6:17 PM

Hitler and Stalin demanded pledges, heh.

Schadenfreude on August 25, 2015 at 6:18 PM

Hot Air alum Noah Rothman, a sharp Trump critic, makes a sharp point on a related note here: If you disdain Trump so much that you’d force him to take a loyalty oath, shouldn’t you, as a Republican, pledge to vote for him next fall if he’s the party’s nominee?

Easily done and easy to mean it.

I, KingGold, an avowed enemy of Trump, vow to vote for him in the general election should he gain the GOP nomination. I will gladly do so if it is the only means of stopping the Rabid Grandma from becoming president.

Now put up or shut up, Combover.

KingGold on August 25, 2015 at 6:18 PM

They keep talking about if Trump will support the nominee in the general election. The question should be will the GOP support Trump if he’s the nominee?

bsinc1962 on August 25, 2015 at 6:19 PM

GOP’s recent track record is … McCain and Romney.

I’m leaning towards Trump (2nd to Cruz now) more every day now. Erick “MSM Lapdog” Erickson’s backstabbing of Trump was a turning point on Trump, for me.

As a Libertarian I vote against the Democratic party and not for the Republican party … screw the GOP.

Karmi on August 25, 2015 at 6:20 PM

And his fans would cheer him on.

What should eat you snarkmeisters, and then some:

Trump is not “conservative”, but he wins with evangelicals and the TEA-party good people (TEA = taxed enough already) because the R/D Uniparty has lied to them for 100 years. Nov. 2014 was the last fooling.

The rest of you can keep doing the same thing, expecting other results.

We are now the “moderates” you always wanted us rubes to be.

You are now the newly minted “severely conservatives”.

Do you realize how funny this is?

Schadenfreude on August 25, 2015 at 6:20 PM

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If Trump’s polls climb much higher, the campaign-slogan baseball cap will be mandatory stump attire for candidates for the next 20 years

Donald Trump Tops Nationwide Poll with 40% support

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A random survey of over 3,500 registered voters found that 40% of voters support Mr. Trump as the Republican nominee for President of the United States

Schadenfreude on August 25, 2015 at 6:23 PM

The GOPe can’t make such a pledge binding anyway.

ConstantineXI on August 25, 2015 at 6:23 PM

I think Noah writes more on Twitter than the Commentary site…

d1carter on August 25, 2015 at 6:23 PM

What should eat at you, but the irony is the same.

Schadenfreude on August 25, 2015 at 6:23 PM

A random survey of over 3,500 registered voters found that 40% of voters support Mr. Trump as the Republican nominee for President of the United States

Schadenfreude on August 25, 2015 at 6:23 PM

We have yet to reach Peak Trump.

ConstantineXI on August 25, 2015 at 6:23 PM

Party of three?

mjbrooks3 on August 25, 2015 at 6:25 PM

Wait – doesn’t this clearly suggest a GOP establishment that has the power to determine the outcome of the primaries?

But but but VD_Spew has been telling us that that was just a cwazy conspiracy theory!

Augustinian on August 25, 2015 at 6:25 PM

Dumb. You think Trump gives a crap about a pledge? He’d take the pledge, renounce it later, then laugh at what losers these Republican leaders are for ever believing that he’d keep his promise.

And his fans would cheer him on. “He outwitted the RINOs by making them think he’s a man of his word!”

I think there’s a good chance he might actually refuse to take the pledge and mount a write-in campaign instead. Taking any such pledge potentially makes him look “weak” and makes his enemies feel like they’ve scored some sort of victory over him.

If you disdain Trump so much that you’d force him to take a loyalty oath, shouldn’t you, as a Republican, pledge to vote for him next fall if he’s the party’s nominee? If you want to reserve your right to boycott a Trump/Clinton election, maybe you shouldn’t demand vows of fealty from anyone else.

C’mon AP, you were here for the last three electoral cycles. Loyalty oaths only go one way. If Trump wins the nomination I fully expect a “John Anderson” will be found to run against Trump and most of the anti-Trump people will immediately jump on board. This will not end with the nomination and I think you know it.

Doomberg on August 25, 2015 at 6:25 PM

Being as old as dirt, I remember the Whigs doing the same thing.
How’d that work out for them?

Another Drew on August 25, 2015 at 6:27 PM

Easily done and easy to mean it.

I, KingGold, an avowed enemy of Trump, vow to vote for him in the general election should he gain the GOP nomination. I will gladly do so if it is the only means of stopping the Rabid Grandma from becoming president.

Now put up or shut up, Combover.

KingGold on August 25, 2015 at 6:18 PM

Enough with the purity tests!!!

chris0christies0donut on August 25, 2015 at 6:27 PM

It’s not a new idea. 12 to 15 states have routinely included a party loyalty pledge to get ballot access for the last several election cycles.

These are Republican Party primaries. If you aren’t committed to run as a Republican and not run against the Republican, then why should you get access to the party primary ballot? Go run in somebody else’s primary.

I’m sure Poor Widdle Donnie will say “mommy, everyone is meaning mean to me, I’m going to call them losers” and throw a temper tantrum. What else is new?

village idiot on August 25, 2015 at 6:28 PM

Valid until Trump gets nominated…

Skywise on August 25, 2015 at 6:30 PM

GOPe has serious control issues, don’t they?

If they lock out Trump, they lose what enthusiasm exists in the race.

Not a smart choice to make.

lineholder on August 25, 2015 at 6:31 PM

village idiot on August 25, 2015 at 6:28 PM

And, of course, you’ll vote for him when he wins the primaries and not throw a widdle tantrum of your own right?

Skywise on August 25, 2015 at 6:31 PM

village idiot has one of the best noms.

Schadenfreude on August 25, 2015 at 6:32 PM

If you disdain Trump so much that you’d force him to take a loyalty oath, shouldn’t you, as a Republican, pledge to vote for him next fall if he’s the party’s nominee?

No. As a voter, I’m not trying to benefit from having my name on a Republican ballot. I’m the “customer” and the candidates and parties are competing for my business (vote).

village idiot on August 25, 2015 at 6:32 PM

We now know that only one party in America exists. We have pretty much know it for the past 30 yrs., but now it has been exposed so that there is no longer any doubt. Mark Steyn, who subbed for Rush today and who is much more conservative than Rush, and who is not a shill for the GOPe, said that the The Republican Party has become the party of ‘Nothing Can Be Done.’ He has nailed it.
Nothing can be done about Obamacare’
Nothing can be done about about illegal Immigration
Nothing can be done about Anchor Babies
Nothing can be done about Planned Parenthood
Nothing can be done about ISIS
Nothing can be done about Iran Developing The Nuke and treaty to give it to them
Nothing can be done about the deficit
Nothing can be done about Fast and Furious
Nothing can be done about the IRS
Nothing can be done about…..fill in the blank.
The pub party must heretofore be called the “Nothing can be done party.”

they lie on August 25, 2015 at 6:33 PM

Yeah…no.

Mimzey on August 25, 2015 at 6:34 PM

Perry’s former Iowa campaign chairman is introducing Trump.

Ttrump not only steps on your neck, he makes sure he breaks it.

renalin on August 25, 2015 at 6:34 PM

A

nd, of course, you’ll vote for him when he wins the primaries and not throw a widdle tantrum of your own right?

No. Actually, I had vowed never to vote for Jeb!, but Poor Widdle Donnie (mommy, that lady’s being mean to me) has convinced me now that I would have to vote for Jeb! in a two-way matchup.

Fortunately, I have other options in the primary. I’ll assess the options in the general election when the time comes. I personally have a policy of not voting for a Presidential candidate who has not demonstrated at least a threshold of Presidential qualification and temperament.

village idiot on August 25, 2015 at 6:35 PM

Bye Mr. Perry

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SCOOP: SAM CLOVIS has been tapped by Trump to be his national campaign co-chairman and policy adviser, will intro Trump in Dubuque tonight

Schadenfreude on August 25, 2015 at 6:35 PM

“The best thing you can do now to make America great again,” he could say, “is to send a message to Republicans by staying home this year.”

Or he could start a write-in campaign in the General election, if you are going to spend your money you might as well go for it

Stranded_in_Iowa on August 25, 2015 at 6:36 PM

GOP’s new idea

I stopped right there.

It scares me when the GOPe tries to grunt out an idea.

SpongePuppy on August 25, 2015 at 6:36 PM

then why should you get access to the party primary ballot? Go run in somebody else’s primary.

I’m sure Poor Widdle Lisa Murkowski will say “mommy, everyone is meaning mean to me, I’m going to call them losers” and throw a temper tantrum. What else is new?

village idiot on August 25, 2015 at 6:28 PM

FIFYa

they lie on August 25, 2015 at 6:37 PM

village idiot on August 25, 2015 at 6:28 PM

Why do those same states let anyone vote in the Republican primary.

RickB on August 25, 2015 at 6:38 PM

Good.

We need more blind loyalty in this country.

Thw GOPe has done such a great job, no need to “upset the apple cart” IMO.

Just give it to Jeb!; its his turn and that’s who the donors want.

Redstone on August 25, 2015 at 6:38 PM

Perry managed to do better last cycle.

He got even dumber.

SpongePuppy on August 25, 2015 at 6:39 PM

Sam Clovis is a pretty weak hire for a national campaign co-chair.

village idiot on August 25, 2015 at 6:40 PM

If the GOP only put this much energy into actually accomplishing legislation that the voters put them into office to do they wouldn’t be running around like chickens with their heads cut off.

But it’s become quite clear that they don’t represent the voters, they actually despise true conservatives and only represent the donor class and their cronies.

This is why people support Trump – it’s not out of a love for the guy..but a hate for the establishment.

This will not end well for anyone unfortunately, but I see no other choice – an establishment candidate won’t work and the party is no longer trusted after all the betrayals.

celt on August 25, 2015 at 6:40 PM

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Trump is already worse than Obama.

Obama babbled like a child about “hope and change.” It was a stupid slogan aimed at very stupid people. His speeches had all the sophistication and political insight of an average Teletubbies episode. And yet he won.

So how could Trump be worse? Instead of saying nothing — like Obama did — he says stupid things that sound like political statements but aren’t. He makes these bizarre abstractions about how the US needs to do this or that because Mexico and China are laughing at us. He thinks he can turn the economy around by “getting tough” with China and forcing them to agree to … something. And he thinks Mexico has some sort of program to select destitute murderers and rapists to be “sent” across the border. He doesn’t seem to have the vaguest idea of how government works. He doesn’t draw a distinction between the government and its people.

We can flatter him by saying that he’s a fascist, but the truth is much sadder than that. He is the random person off the street who votes but has zero political knowledge. He vacillates wildly between Republican and Democrat not because he is so independent, but because his lack of civic knowledge has made him a weather vane. He “tells it like it is” because he is too stupid to know that he’s just spouting platitudes. Obama may have been a cynical scumbag, but electing Trump would be like electing one of Obama’s deluded followers.

clancy_wiggum on August 25, 2015 at 6:42 PM

Dumb. You think Trump gives a crap about a pledge?
===================================================

Animal House – Potential Pledges

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUrQItjXypY

canopfor on August 25, 2015 at 6:48 PM

Apparently, the GOPe has finally found a hill they’re willing to fight for.

It’s called “Mount Conservative,” and they’ll do anything to prevent it from being a strategic stronghold for platform ideas.

Wino on August 25, 2015 at 6:49 PM

Happening Now:

https://twitter.com/kasie

Kasie Hunt [email protected] 18s18 seconds ago

Donald Trump refuses to take a question from @jorgeramosnews, his security officers escort him from the room
==============================================

Kasie Hunt [email protected] 3m3 minutes ago

Sam Clovis takes the mic at Trump press conference

canopfor on August 25, 2015 at 6:51 PM

Trump will not be stopped. He is America’s destiny.

DarkCurrent on August 25, 2015 at 6:51 PM

Hot Air alum Noah Rothman

So, if he’s an alumnus, that means he’s graduated and is never coming back, right?

Emperor Norton on August 25, 2015 at 6:52 PM

And his fans would cheer him on. “He outwitted the RINOs by making them think he’s a man of his word!”

Ah, those Trump supporting rubes, just a laugh a minute.

If you disdain Trump so much that you’d force him to take a loyalty oath, shouldn’t you, as a Republican, pledge to vote for him next fall if he’s the party’s nominee? If you want to reserve your right to boycott a Trump/Clinton election, maybe you shouldn’t demand vows of fealty from anyone else.

That makes an assumption that those enjoying Trump’s run believe the GOP is honorable.

The thing is, we all know they’d take the pledge and renege in a heartbeat if the nominee were Trump. I’m at the point I wonder if they would even support Cruz.

The stupid people aren’t the ones who support Trump but the ones who dismiss the disaffected voters’ concerns and still manage to be clueless that the anger is not only valid but deep and wide.

Frank Luntz on the Hatred of the Establishment Revealed by a Pro-Trump Focus Group: “This is real. I’m having trouble processing it. Like, my legs are shaking.”

RockyMtnGirl on August 25, 2015 at 6:53 PM

The Donald should take the pledge. If he wins the Republican nomination, it’s moot. If he loses the nomination to someone else, then runs Third party, his pledge is void anyway because he’s not a Republican any more.

The Art of the Deal, pp. 212-3

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canopfor on August 25, 2015 at 6:57 PM

What did Jindal say? Stupid party?

crazywater on August 25, 2015 at 6:58 PM

Trump will take the pledge and vow to take over the GOP. He knows he has to defeat the GOPe first and that the pledge is a sign of their weakness as well as unenforceable. Therefore taking the pledge comes at no cost.

Angry Dumbo on August 25, 2015 at 7:05 PM

People are supporting the candidate the GOP leadership doesn’t like…
Because they also don’t like the GOP leadership?

Clearly they must demand and force obeisance to their leadership that people don’t like.

Because tone deaf, clueless, and idiotic are words that oversell the GOP leadership’s ability at self-reflection.

Trump is a terrible candidate.
And the GOP leadership are tone deaf idiots.

I’m hoping for a battle royale with no winners.

gekkobear on August 25, 2015 at 7:19 PM

Say, didn’t the Whigs try this about 150-years ago?

Another Drew on August 25, 2015 at 7:50 PM

I’m sure Poor Widdle Donnie will say “mommy, everyone is meaning mean to me, I’m going to call them losers” and throw a temper tantrum. What else is new?

village idiot on August 25, 2015 at 6:28 PM

You and the GOPe certainly have one thing in common. You think you can win arguments by acting like a giant supercilious twat.

Sugarbuzz on August 25, 2015 at 8:06 PM

The pledge – like pledging to repeal Obamacare?

The pledge – like pledging to fight executive amnesty?

The pledge – like pledging to stop the Iran deal?

Angry Dumbo on August 25, 2015 at 9:22 PM

Nothing says a healthy and confident endeavor destined to be vindicated by history like demanding loyalty oaths.

Hot Air alum Noah Rothman, a sharp Trump critic, makes a sharp point on a related note here: If you disdain Trump so much that you’d force him to take a loyalty oath, shouldn’t you, as a Republican, pledge to vote for him next fall if he’s the party’s nominee?

And, end of discussion.

That’s what made the Fox interrogation of Trump resonate – not that it was “hard journalism,” but that it was questions like this asked with the air of persistence.

First of all, by what tradition, real or imaginary, does anyone have the right to demand Trump submit to a pledge who will not submit to that same pledge themselves?

And second, what is the point? Battlespace preparation to beat back a third party Trump bid? That ship has sailed. It’s not July 15th anymore. No intelligent commentator can any longer pretend that Trump would “pull votes from Hillary too,” or that another GOP nominee would stand any chance at all if Trump went 3rd party. Like it or not, he’s on the honor system now.

TimesUp on August 25, 2015 at 10:21 PM

Does Trump also have have to extend his arm in an appropriate GOP salute and say sieg heil?

bbinfl on August 25, 2015 at 11:03 PM

This is going to end well….. Not!!!

We can always write in Trump if you prefer

Brock Robamney on August 26, 2015 at 5:39 AM

So basically the GOP leadership is saying they should be allowed to pull Thad Cochran style shenanigans… but nobody else in the party should be allowed to.

GrumpyOldFart on August 26, 2015 at 8:44 AM

As Trump himself likes to say:
If it weren’t for me, we wouldn’t even be talking about this.

Hey GOP! Remember those 4 million or so votes Romney didn’t get back in 2012? Pull this kind of crap and watch what happens.

leftamark on August 26, 2015 at 9:25 AM

Is there any data on how Trump is doing specifically with registered Democrats?

Considering how many R’s don’t care about his actual politics, I’d bet a lot of D’s don’t either.

Tanya on August 26, 2015 at 10:44 AM