Birth tourism from China to the U.S. actually is a problem

posted at 9:21 pm on August 25, 2015 by Taylor Millard

Jeb Bush is getting some heat for a comment he made in South Texas where he said his use of the term “anchor babies” didn’t involve Central Americans, but Asians. He’s actually right (and this is one of the few times I’ll write this). Here’s his comment:

As I said in Spanish. My background, my life, the fact that I’m immersed in the immigrant experience. This is…this is ludicrous for the Clinton campaign and others to suggest that somehow, somehow, I’m using a derogatory term. What I was talking about was the specific case of fraud being committed where there’s organized efforts, and frankly it’s more related to Asian people, coming into our country, having children, in that organized effort. Taking advantage of a noble concept which is birthright citizenship.

What he’s talking about is something called “maternity tourism,” which is a big deal for the Chinese. Federal agents even conducted raids in Southern California earlier this year over “maternity tourism.” The Wall Street Journal had a write-up on the raids in March.

The investigations are likely to culminate in the biggest federal criminal case ever against the booming “anchor baby” industry, according to U.S. authorities. The search warrants cite suspected visa fraud, tax evasion and harboring illegal immigrants, among other charges.

Agents seized records from apartments where, they said, Chinese women on tourist visas stay before and after delivering babies, as well as from residences of U.S.-based individuals who they allege run three separate anchor-baby operations in Los Angeles, Orange and San Bernardino counties. The U.S. Homeland Security and Treasury departments, as well as the Internal Revenue Service, are conducting criminal investigations of these individuals, according to three affidavits reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.

There are several reasons why Chinese nationals are coming over to the U.S. to give birth. One is because the families are hoping to eventually immigrate to the U.S. They’re tired of living in China and want out. Given their stock market crash this week who’d blame them. American children with foreign parents can sponsor them for citizenship once they hit the age of 21. But CNN reported in February there are others reasons.

The desire to leave China is especially pronounced among the wealthy. Almost two-thirds of Chinese with more than 10 million yuan ($1.6 million) in the bank have emigrated, or are planning to, according to a Hurun report released last year.

For [[Felicia]] He, who gave birth last year, a U.S. passport for her baby means access to better education opportunities. Foreign status opens the door to exclusive international schools in Beijing, where she lives with her husband, and the option for the child to study abroad for high school and college.

For others, like Miao, giving birth in the U.S. can also be a way to skirt China’s one-child policy. Although the rules have been relaxed slightly, not every couple is eligible to have multiple children.

It’s actually a pretty genius plan if you think about it. Only 625K visas get handed out each year for people wanting to come into America, not counting students. The State Department reported for Fiscal Year 2015 there are over 243K people in communist China looking to immigrate to the U.S. So the ones who might not get a visa are gaming the system in hopes of getting sponsored by their American kid later on. AP wondered how people who support birthright citizenship would handle “birth tourism.” I’ve already written my answer, which is expanding the number of permanent resident visas which are handed out. That would cut down “birth tourism.” But there are other questions AP didn’t ask. If a DHS worker sees an obviously pregnant Chinese woman getting off a plane, should she be questioned? And if it turns out she is pregnant, should she be told she can’t enter the country? Should the State Department/UCIS include questions on whether potential business/travel visa applicants are pregnant? Should the U.S. just stop issuing visas at all (even if it’s to sports players)? I don’t support the last position, but it’s worth asking.

Here’s my problem with getting rid of birthright citizenship: how would it be enforced? Would kids born of American parents overseas have to apply for citizenship? What if an American man marries a foreign woman and has a kid? Would the kid be a citizen or have to apply for it? What if the wrong people got in power and enacted a law saying no child born in the U.S. could have citizenship unless they joined the military or some other organization? I know it’s easy to say, “oh that will never happen,” but could it at some point? Robert Heinlein wrote in Starship Troopers that full citizenship was denied to people who didn’t join the military. Is that an extreme case? Sure. But what if all hell breaks loose and those in control say, “oh we have to do this!” Remember, the Patriot Act wasn’t supposed to ever be abused and the Obama Administration is abusing it on a daily basis. The long-term consequences are just something to consider.

I’m not a fan of Jeb Bush. I wouldn’t vote for him, even if it were against Donald Trump (I’d write-in Rand Paul or Ted Cruz or just not vote). But on the issue of Chinese doing anchor babies, he’s correct.


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This post is pure chum.

vlad martel on August 25, 2015 at 9:24 PM

No anchor babies from any nation should be allowed.

31giddyup on August 25, 2015 at 9:24 PM

It’s within Congress’s authority to alter the citizenship process (it’s a plenary power granted to Congress in Article I) to specify that only children of Citizens or Legal Residents automatically get Citizenship at birth.

ConstantineXI on August 25, 2015 at 9:24 PM

Right, anchor babies are not an issue. White people on the right just want as pure white a country as possible and the only way to do that is stop others from entering and deporting those here, regardless of the constitution.

They’ve never bought into conservative economics. Its always been thinly veiled nationalism and white xian dominionism.

antisense on August 25, 2015 at 9:26 PM

We know it’s a problem Trailor, but we’re stunned and amazed that you recognize it’s a problem.

DFCtomm on August 25, 2015 at 9:26 PM

Its always been thinly veiled nationalism and white xian dominionism.

antisense on August 25, 2015 at 9:26 PM

This is why they hate animals and the environment. They think Jesus made animals for them and the earth for them. Thus they can crap all over it and it wont have any effects because how can man overturn Jeebus craftsmanship?

antisense on August 25, 2015 at 9:28 PM

It’s within Congress’s authority to alter the citizenship process (it’s a plenary power granted to Congress in Article I) to specify that only children of Citizens or Legal Residents automatically get Citizenship at birth.

ConstantineXI on August 25, 2015 at 9:24 PM

That’s the weird thing. We’ve always been told that an amendment over rides the SCOTUS, and yet we’ve got an amendment which specifically gives power over an issue to Congress, and yet the SCOTUS has ruled on it anyway. How does Congress enforce the authority of the constitutional amendment?

DFCtomm on August 25, 2015 at 9:29 PM

Here’s my problem with getting rid of birthright citizenship: how would it be enforced?

Baby receives the citizenship of mother. The end.

Bishop on August 25, 2015 at 9:30 PM

This post would be slightly credible if the number of chinese vs mexican anchor babies were mentioned … of course, that would give the game away.

gh on August 25, 2015 at 9:31 PM

Kids born to American parents are American, even when overseas. This has nothing to do with “anchor babies”.

Megyn Kellys Lipstick on August 25, 2015 at 9:32 PM

Baby receives the citizenship of mother. The end.

Bishop on August 25, 2015 at 9:30 PM

Boom!

31giddyup on August 25, 2015 at 9:33 PM

Show me the numbers.

I bet there is no comparison to the Asians and the Latinos.

While there shouldn’t be any allowed unless one of the parents is a citizen.

Barred on August 25, 2015 at 9:33 PM

Invasion/subversion – just like the Muslims.

OldEnglish on August 25, 2015 at 9:34 PM

weak
if anyone was going to dive in to rescue Jeb, I guess it had to be Mallard.

james23 on August 25, 2015 at 9:34 PM

antisense is responding to his own comments. Friggin idiot.

Megyn Kellys Lipstick on August 25, 2015 at 9:34 PM

Its always been thinly veiled nationalism and white xian dominionism.

antisense on August 25, 2015 at 9:26 PM

This is why they hate animals and the environment. They think Jesus made animals for them and the earth for them. Thus they can crap all over it and it wont have any effects because how can man overturn Jeebus craftsmanship?

antisense on August 25, 2015 at 9:28 PM

Why are you responding to yourself?

Oooohhhh…forgot to change your screen name again?

Bishop on August 25, 2015 at 9:35 PM

I don’t see it as a big deal. If some rich Chinese woman wants her kid to be a USC, then let her try to make it happen. We need more rich people in the US, as far as I’m concerned.

NorthernCross on August 25, 2015 at 9:36 PM

Megyn Kellys Lipstick on August 25, 2015 at 9:34 PM

Only way he can get a response. :)

Barred on August 25, 2015 at 9:36 PM

Of course Jeb was right. That’s once.

Buddahpundit on August 25, 2015 at 9:36 PM

Antisense, you’re exhibiting signs of mental illness and the inability to post much more than talking points. You’re braindead, hon.

CWforFreedom on August 25, 2015 at 9:39 PM

Baby receives the citizenship of mother. The end.

Bishop on August 25, 2015 at 9:30 PM

Nah. Let ’em anchor.

NorthernCross on August 25, 2015 at 9:39 PM

How does Congress enforce the authority of the constitutional amendment?

DFCtomm on August 25, 2015 at 9:29 PM

The Executive Branch is supposed to enforce it.

But as we’ve seen, a corrupt, evil President like Obama can’t be constrained by the Constitution if Congress won’t act on it’s authority to reign him in.

ConstantineXI on August 25, 2015 at 9:40 PM

So, Jeb hates Chinese people?

faraway on August 25, 2015 at 9:40 PM

We know it’s a problem Trailor, but we’re stunned and amazed that you recognize it’s a problem.

DFCtomm on August 25, 2015 at 9:26 PM

…prolly only because Jeb stuck his foot…in it!

JugEarsButtHurt on August 25, 2015 at 9:42 PM

Our method is the odd one. Only Canada operates the way we do, and only because they copied us.

RBMN on August 25, 2015 at 9:43 PM

Kids born to American parents are American, even when overseas. This has nothing to do with “anchor babies”.

Megyn Kellys Lipstick on August 25, 2015 at 9:32 PM

Millard was filling space to make the insights seem deeper, perhaps.

Who would think that the children of U.S. citizens born outside the U.S. wouldn’t be citizens, I knew that in 5th grade.

Bishop on August 25, 2015 at 9:44 PM

Was Jeb named after a Confederate general?

faraway on August 25, 2015 at 9:45 PM

“Republican backing for Bush dipped from 16 percent to 8 percent in the last five days”

I didn’t know the Asian American vote was large enough to drop Jebo that much but I guess a lot of people didn’t appreciate Jebo’s racism against Asians.

VorDaj on August 25, 2015 at 9:45 PM

So if Jeb’s wife was Chinese…

mjbrooks3 on August 25, 2015 at 9:46 PM

This post is pure chum.

vlad martel on August 25, 2015 at 9:24 PM

Is that your way of saying they are improving?

VorDaj on August 25, 2015 at 9:47 PM

Antisense does that include nearly a third of blacks who are against BR citizenship ? Or Progressive Keli Goff, of the Daily Beast ?

But the larger issue is this. America is a great country that is failing a lot of its citizens. Nearly 50 million Americans are living in poverty. Many of those are people of color who are American citizens. If one of those impoverished Americans were ordered to adopt several children, most of us would think the person requiring this was crazy. After all, how could someone struggling to take care of himself be expected to take responsibility for others? Yet that is precisely what President Obama and more specifically the immigration lobby is asking Americans to do. Take responsibility for an endless stream of people, even as our own suffer, and struggle to get policy relief from Washington. I simply don’t see how it is possible to identify as a progressive who claims to care about American poverty, but not care equally about decreasing the number of people without means coming into America.

CWforFreedom on August 25, 2015 at 9:47 PM

So, Jeb hates Chinese people?

faraway on August 25, 2015 at 9:40 PM

Hitler scapegoated the Jews. Herr Jebo scapegoats the Chinese.

VorDaj on August 25, 2015 at 9:48 PM

I’m all on favor for starship troopers take on citizenship. If you’re not willing to give your life for a country (or equivalent as defined by Heinlin), why do you deserve any benefits/entitlements/etc that the rest of us that did serve pay for? I know it’s on the extreme end of things but it’s a legitimate question. BTW, the main character in that novel was hispanic, don’t pay attention to the movie. Heinlen also gets a lot into philosophy/politics in that book, which is hard to argue with and easy to identify with today.

mgron on August 25, 2015 at 9:49 PM

antisense on August 25, 2015 at 9:26 PM

You’re mentally ill.
Seek help.

Mimzey on August 25, 2015 at 9:49 PM

Did Noah Rothman change his name?

bgibbs1000 on August 25, 2015 at 9:51 PM

BTW, the main character in that novel was hispanic

Nope, Johnny Rico is Filipino.

Bishop on August 25, 2015 at 9:51 PM

I don’t see it as a big deal. If some rich Chinese woman wants her kid to be a USC, then let her try to make it happen. We need more rich people in the US, as far as I’m concerned.

NorthernCross on August 25, 2015 at 9:36 PM

Rich and even upper middle class Chinese do worse things- in some cases finding relatives or even remote acquittances in the US to provide room and board for their kids (for a fee). Because public US schools only ask kids for proof of local residence, non-citizens from China are able to enroll as high school freshmen and essentially receive a free high school education in the US.

What this incident proves is that Bush is just a small notch above Hillary when it comes to political instincts. Specifically calling out ‘Asians’ was an idiotic mistake.

bayam on August 25, 2015 at 9:51 PM

Of course maternity tourism is a problem. What about anchor babies and their illegal alien invader parents, Jeb?

GaltBlvnAtty on August 25, 2015 at 9:52 PM

antisense on August 25, 2015 at 9:28 PM

Your Nom is perfect for you.

Barred on August 25, 2015 at 9:52 PM

Was Jeb named after a Confederate general?

faraway on August 25, 2015 at 9:45 PM

They’re his initials.

RBMN on August 25, 2015 at 9:52 PM

Hahahaha….

d1carter on August 25, 2015 at 9:53 PM

I’m all on favor for starship troopers take on citizenship. If you’re not willing to give your life for a country (or equivalent as defined by Heinlin), why do you deserve any benefits/entitlements/etc that the rest of us that did serve pay for? I know it’s on the extreme end of things but it’s a legitimate question. BTW, the main character in that novel was hispanic, don’t pay attention to the movie. Heinlen also gets a lot into philosophy/politics in that book, which is hard to argue with and easy to identify with today.

mgron on August 25, 2015 at 9:49 PM

What about those who were told no because of health? I tried to go Navy in 1999/2000, but wasn’t allowed due to my back.

Taylor Millard on August 25, 2015 at 9:53 PM

…what’s taking Dark Cur-rant …so long to get here?

JugEarsButtHurt on August 25, 2015 at 9:54 PM

antisense is responding to his own comments. Friggin idiot.

Megyn Kellys Lipstick on August 25, 2015 at 9:34 PM

antistable

John the Libertarian on August 25, 2015 at 9:55 PM

antidisestablishmentarianism

Senator Philip Bluster on August 25, 2015 at 10:00 PM

According to Brietbart one out of 12 newborns in the USA is an anchor baby.

alanstern on August 25, 2015 at 10:01 PM

For every Chinese anchor baby born in the US due to this scheme…there are how many anchor babies from Latin America?

10…20….30…

It is a stupid defense by Jeb and only insulted Asians by saying they are the primary problem. Its a problem, but not even in the same zip code as the people crossing the borders as illegals and then giving birth to 3 and 4 anchor babies, while the wealthy Chinese mother gives birth to one baby, and at least has the potential of bringing lots of cash with them one day to the US.

It is just Jeb showing his true colors…which is he loves Mexico and Central Americans, and is wiling to throw Asians under the bus for a cheap soundbite defense of his idiotic position on the matter.

William Eaton on August 25, 2015 at 10:02 PM

Trailor (thaaaaaat’s right DFCtomm, I’m stealing it) MYOFBYK!

Pain Train on August 25, 2015 at 10:04 PM

Jeb could say water is wet. He’d be right on that. It doesn’t make it THE campaign issue.

chris0christies0donut on August 25, 2015 at 10:04 PM

a noble concept which is birthright citizenship.

Says Jeb. What is so noble about some pregnant illegal alien gets one foot on American soil, spits out a baby, and it’s automatically a U.S. citizen and becomes the anchor needed for bringing in 50 more extended family, low skilled, uneducated welfare patrons? Noble my azz.

they lie on August 25, 2015 at 10:07 PM

I don’t see it as a big deal. If some rich Chinese woman wants her kid to be a USC, then let her try to make it happen. We need more rich people in the US, as far as I’m concerned.
NorthernCross on August 25, 2015 at 9:36 PM

Rich and even upper middle class Chinese do worse things- in some cases finding relatives or even remote acquittances in the US to provide room and board for their kids (for a fee). Because public US schools only ask kids for proof of local residence, non-citizens from China are able to enroll as high school freshmen and essentially receive a free high school education in the US.
What this incident proves is that Bush is just a small notch above Hillary when it comes to political instincts. Specifically calling out ‘Asians’ was an idiotic mistake.
bayam on August 25, 2015 at 9:51 PM

Clutching my pearls here. You just know how to hit the out of the park. America’s great threat: 10 Chinese students going to public school from their uncles’ houses.

chris0christies0donut on August 25, 2015 at 10:09 PM

Why they’d want to I don’t know.

Most Chinese people get to the US and then find themselves very bored.

DarkCurrent on August 25, 2015 at 10:10 PM

Here is a good analogy of how stupid a defense this is by Jeb – It would be like FDR in WWII coming out in early 1942 and saying:

You overestimate the German military and it is wrong to be worried about them, however that Italian military is the real problem and we need to stop them at once.

Of course in a weak willed, Jeb kind of way…

William Eaton on August 25, 2015 at 10:11 PM

Good job Jeb. Focus on the 1000 or so births from Rich Asians doing birth tourism.

Not the 300,000 per year from Mexico.

Sure Millard . . . he nailed it.

Skipity on August 25, 2015 at 10:13 PM

I’d be bored too if I spent my days at home dodging buildings which are tipping over and factories exploding.

Bishop on August 25, 2015 at 10:20 PM

It’s actually a pretty genius plan if you think about it. Only 625K visas get handed out each year for people wanting to come into America, not counting students. The State Department reported for Fiscal Year 2015 there are over 243K people in communist China looking to immigrate to the U.S. So the ones who might not get a visa are gaming the system in hopes of getting sponsored by their American kid later on. AP wondered how people who support birthright citizenship would handle “birth tourism.” I’ve already written my answer, which is expanding the number of permanent resident visas which are handed out. That would cut down “birth tourism.”

Ingenius. Not.

Hey, we could cut down on bank robberies by forcing banks to give money to whoever comes in and asks for some.

Bitter Clinger on August 25, 2015 at 10:21 PM

Why they’d want to I don’t know.

Most Chinese people get to the US and then find themselves very bored.

DarkCurrent on August 25, 2015 at 10:10 PM

*chortle*

Yep, China is one very exciting place.

Bitter Clinger on August 25, 2015 at 10:23 PM

No really…HAHAHAHAAHA

d1carter on August 25, 2015 at 10:23 PM

a noble concept which is birthright citizenship.

Jeb wants to give them the “Noble” Prize

Senator Philip Bluster on August 25, 2015 at 10:26 PM

Here’s my problem with getting rid of birthright citizenship: how would it be enforced? Would kids born of American parents overseas have to apply for citizenship? What if an American man marries a foreign woman and has a kid? Would the kid be a citizen or have to apply for it? What if the wrong people got in power and enacted a law saying no child born in the U.S. could have citizenship unless they joined the military or some other organization?

The United States and Canada are the only developed nations in the world to still offer Birthright Citizenship to tourists and illegal aliens.
Perhaps we should ask them how they managed to solve these horrible dilemmas?

PaleoRider on August 25, 2015 at 10:26 PM

The rich communists know communism doesn’t have a good sustainability record. They just want to make sure family wealth is protected when China falls.

Rich Chinese have also bought up all the nice houses and properties in Vancouver in exchange for Canadian citizenship. Canadians have changed the laws which allowed the Chinese to buy Citizenship but it’s too late now.

In America they send their women here to give birth and after 3 to 6 months the women are sent back.

We are losing to Communism….

weedisgood on August 25, 2015 at 10:43 PM

Sure taylor. There’s illegal chinese in america killing people and commiting a sh!t ton of crimes. Our prisons are full of ’em.

Indiana Jim on August 25, 2015 at 10:51 PM

Jeb Bush is getting some heat for a comment he made in South Texas where he said his use of the term “anchor babies” didn’t involve Central Americans, but Asians. He’s actually right (and this is one of the few times I’ll write this).

So Ridiculous. Both are anchor babies. And anchor baby is an anchor baby regardless of whether the mother flew here, dropped her baby and went home or the mother came with her husband and other children, dropped her baby and they all stayed. One thing you have to say for the former is that a visa was issued by the government and they paid the government the application fees. Oh, and they went home.

But thanks to the pathetic nature of citizens who treat logic like a hot stove, such as you, Taylor, we’re way past the subject of anchor babies and so far into citizenship or the right to come here and stay here: Because no matter what, that the argument is on citizenship for “Dreamers” — those who have avoided the rule of law for so long they have been acculturated and don’t know their own country, (or so they say and our elites like Jeb and Marco echo.) And why is this? Because of the outright fraud perpetrated by our political elite in the securing of our border and the enforcement of our laws. Our elites, don’t give a sh!t about controlling immigration. If they did, it would be controlled. Everything done is just theater for the twin arguments of plausible deniability and we should give up on controlling immigration.

But even that is not the worst. What is the worst is our leaders, the ones who swore an oath to uphold the laws and the Constitution, have shown themselves to be, alternating, so spineless and duplicitous in keeping their oath that aliens have their children do border runs by the thousands if not tens of thousands in the belief that our leaders don’t have the balls to send them back.

We’re in the midst of a crisis of invasive proportions and you want to quibble about who exactly should be called an anchor baby.

Like I said, pathetic.

Dusty on August 25, 2015 at 10:56 PM

Right, anchor babies are not an issue. White people on the right just want as pure white a country as possible and the only way to do that is stop others from entering and deporting those here, regardless of the constitution.

They’ve never bought into conservative economics. Its always been thinly veiled nationalism and white xian dominionism.

antisense on August 25, 2015 at 9:26 PM

Why do you hate yourself?

NowIveSeenItAll on August 25, 2015 at 11:11 PM

Here’s my problem with getting rid of birthright citizenship: how would it be enforced?

Gee, I don’t know, the rest of the world has figured out how to do it, I suspect we can too.

Jeb Bush is getting some heat for a comment he made in South Texas where he said his use of the term “anchor babies” didn’t involve Central Americans, but Asians. He’s actually right.

No, he’s actually not right, you stupid amnesty shill. Central Americans don’t get a pass, especially when they produce about 10-20 times the number of anchor babies as Asians. Now wipe your nose, you’ve got a little brown mark on it.

xblade on August 25, 2015 at 11:24 PM

I don’t see it as a big deal. If some rich Chinese woman wants her kid to be a USC, then let her try to make it happen. We need more rich people in the US, as far as I’m concerned.

NorthernCross

Yeah, we definitely need more immoral, dishonest and unethical people here in the U.S. who are willing to break rules to get what they want.

xblade on August 25, 2015 at 11:34 PM

Why they’d want to I don’t know.

Most Chinese people get to the US and then find themselves very bored.

DarkCurrent on August 25, 2015 at 10:10 PM

I can understand that many might find it boring. Travel here, including just getting around town, isn’t as easy as it is in China for those without cars and most people in China don’t drive. Also, mass transportation and taxis here is expensive, relative to the cost in China.

In addition, here in the US you have to, again relatively, great distances to do things. In China you can get to a fairly large supermarket within a quarter mile. Small shops abound; you can often step outside your home to shop or eat. Being home bound is boring as my mother-in-law from China can attest.

But that’s a subset, a large subset, but a subset, of all Chinese. For the younger ones and the middle-aged, life is not boring here and the opportunity to prosper is much better because there are fewer competitors in the race to succeed.

Dusty on August 25, 2015 at 11:49 PM

Robert Heinlein wrote in Starship Troopers that full citizenship was denied to people who didn’t join the military. Is that an extreme case? Sure. But what if all hell breaks loose and

If I remember correctly, it wasn’t that you had to join the military, it was that you had to do something for the country. The story by Heinlein followed people who decided to join the military, but they could have done anything else and still have earned their citizenship.The government provided the opportunities, and they volunteer for one of them.

Fred 2 on August 25, 2015 at 11:49 PM

Taylor,
Crawl back into your radio program.
So just how many illegal Messicans are wanting to come here that are worth $1.6M? If we had a similar number of illegal Messicans that are worth that amount coming hear, why does East LA, Van Nuys, and Southern Texas look like the poor part of Tijuana?
How many anchor babies are born to Chinese “tourists” and how many are born to Messican illegal aliens?
How many Chinese “tourists” are coming to this country? Is it anywhere near the 10M or so illegal Messicans? i’d be curious to see some numbers and citations, please.

OccamsRazor on August 25, 2015 at 11:57 PM

[Dusty on August 25, 2015 at 11:49 PM]

There is one other grouping that sometimes get lumped together with Chinese who think, as Dark Current suggests, that Chinese find life outside China boring and go home, is the group who want a permanent “Get Out of China Free” card if needed. To them it’s not a question of where it’s boring but where it’s free to the extent that they are happy. Right now, it’s generally okay for them in China, but if that would change, again, they want the ability to get out of there.

Dusty on August 26, 2015 at 12:00 AM

Yeah, we definitely need more immoral, dishonest and unethical people here in the U.S. who are willing to break rules to get what they want.

[xblade on August 25, 2015 at 11:34 PM]

I don’t know that any rules are broken, though some might have during the process. I see this more along the lines of tax avoidance vs tax evasion. Those who enter the country illegally to drop a baby are the “tax evaders” while those who enter the country legally to drop a baby are the “tax avoiders”.

I fully support proposals for closing the loophole, though.

Dusty on August 26, 2015 at 12:10 AM

Yes, he was right, up to a point.

Yes, you are posting an irrelevance in the face of a Shitnado.

hillbillyjim on August 26, 2015 at 12:18 AM

Because one is frightened of the Trump shouldn’t make one fallow ground to plant a Bush.

hillbillyjim on August 26, 2015 at 12:21 AM

Baby receives the citizenship of mother. The end.

Bishop on August 25, 2015 at 9:30 PM

Enforcement is actually pretty easy: in order to enroll the baby as a US citizen, the hospital where the birth occurs must be presented with the mother’s own birth certificate or passport, and any proofs of legal permanent residency (until the precedent is over-ruled), and her citizenship is what is entered on the baby’s birth certificate. No papers (undocumented aliens are, like, undocumented) means no US citizenship.

Right now, the father’s citizenship is counted or even paramount, but with the proliferation of unmarried partnerships and unpartnered mothers and open marriages and flat out adultery, the alleged baby-daddy counts for nothing UNLESS he signs a separate claim of paternity to be attached to the birth certificate.

This post would be slightly credible if the number of chinese vs mexican anchor babies were mentioned … of course, that would give the game away.

gh on August 25, 2015 at 9:31 PM

Indeed.

AesopFan on August 26, 2015 at 12:40 AM

If I remember correctly, it wasn’t that you had to join the military, it was that you had to do something for the country. The story by Heinlein followed people who decided to join the military, but they could have done anything else and still have earned their citizenship.The government provided the opportunities, and they volunteer for one of them.

Fred 2 on August 25, 2015 at 11:49 PM

I doublechecked that in the book and it said military for full citizenship. Or atleast that’s what I read. I could’ve missed the part which said otherwise.

Taylor Millard on August 26, 2015 at 12:48 AM

Baby receives the citizenship of mother. The end.

Bishop on August 25, 2015 at 9:30 PM

Enforcement is actually pretty easy: in order to enroll the baby as a US citizen, the hospital where the birth occurs must be presented with the mother’s own birth certificate or passport, and any proofs of legal permanent residency (until the precedent is over-ruled), and her citizenship is what is entered on the baby’s birth certificate. No papers (undocumented aliens are, like, undocumented) means no US citizenship.

Right now, the father’s citizenship is counted or even paramount, but with the proliferation of unmarried partnerships and unpartnered mothers and open marriages and flat out adultery, the alleged baby-daddy counts for nothing UNLESS he signs a separate claim of paternity to be attached to the birth certificate.

I’m quite happy that it is not only the mother that decides the citizenship of a child. My wife is a non-citizen and we have a couple kids (both US citizens because of me). One was born in the US and one overseas.

The process we had to go through for the one born overseas to be a US citizen is a pretty good process to include stateside. I had to prove my citizenship and my presence in the USA prior to the child’s birth (including my childhood). Also had to prove that the citizen (me) and non-citizen were married. I doubt many anchor babies could pass such a simple inspection.

Course I didn’t have to do anything for the one born in the US. Citizen from birth on the soil…Wish I had to prove it for that one too.

Pattosensei on August 26, 2015 at 4:19 AM

I’m all on favor for starship troopers take on citizenship. . . . BTW, the main character in that novel was hispanic, don’t pay attention to the movie.

mgron on August 25, 2015 at 9:49 PM

What the hell are you talking about?

The three lead characters in the movie: Johnny Rico, Dizzy Flores, and Carmen Ibanez.

If you’re expecting all citizens of Argentina in the star-travelling future to be coffee-colored that would make you a raaaaaacist.

Younggod on August 26, 2015 at 6:43 AM

Here’s my problem with getting rid of birthright citizenship: how would it be enforced? Would kids born of American parents overseas have to apply for citizenship? What if an American man marries a foreign woman and has a kid? Would the kid be a citizen or have to apply for it?

This is nonsense. No one is talking about this situation.

The issue is children of people who come here without permission. If both parents are not in the United States with permission, then the child should not be a US citizen. This is not complicated. Heck, just require that both parents be at least permanent residents and this problem is solved. (Any other policy would still encourage birth tourism, but I don’t know if this is a problem – it’s rare and anyone with the money to come here for those purposes probably isn’t a bad person to have here)

All of those other circumstances are red herrings. Jeez.

jr.ewing.78 on August 26, 2015 at 8:10 AM

This post would be slightly credible if the number of chinese vs mexican anchor babies were mentioned … of course, that would give the game away.

gh on August 25, 2015 at 9:31 PM

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For every Chinese anchor baby born in the US due to this scheme…there are how many anchor babies from Latin America?

10…20….30…

William Eaton on August 25, 2015 at 10:02 PM

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Good job Jeb. Focus on the 1000 or so births from Rich Asians doing birth tourism.

Not the 300,000 per year from Mexico.

Sure Millard . . . he nailed it.

Skipity on August 25, 2015 at 10:13 PM

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No, he’s actually not right, you stupid amnesty shill. Central Americans don’t get a pass, especially when they produce about 10-20 times the number of anchor babies as Asians. Now wipe your nose, you’ve got a little brown mark on it.

xblade on August 25, 2015 at 11:24 PM

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How many anchor babies are born to Chinese “tourists” and how many are born to Messican illegal aliens?
How many Chinese “tourists” are coming to this country? Is it anywhere near the 10M or so illegal Messicans? i’d be curious to see some numbers and citations, please.

OccamsRazor on August 25, 2015 at 11:57 PM

It is hereby noted that the author of this post is willing to comment about the particulars of citizenship mentioned in a science fiction novel, but remains silently aloof about the actual and current reality recognized by the above comments.
The response to those comments?

Crickets.

bobthm3 on August 26, 2015 at 8:19 AM

I’ve already written my answer, which is expanding the number of permanent resident visas which are handed out. That would cut down “birth tourism.”

So cut down on birth tourism by making it legal for the parents to come here permanently before they have a kid rather than coming here and having the kid with the hopes of getting citizenship through the kid in 21 years? Makes no sense.

If a DHS worker sees an obviously pregnant Chinese woman getting off a plane, should she be questioned?

Yes.

And if it turns out she is pregnant, should she be told she can’t enter the country?

Possibly.

Should the State Department/UCIS include questions on whether potential business/travel visa applicants are pregnant?

They should make the applicant certify that their intent of travel is not birth tourism and that they will be subject to questioning prior to entry. Then we can deny entry and perform duties under your previous 2 questions.

Should the U.S. just stop issuing visas at all (even if it’s to sports players)?

That is a silly question.

Here’s my problem with getting rid of birthright citizenship: how would it be enforced?

The same way most of the rest of the world enforces it. The US and 32 other countries are the outliers when it comes to birthright citizenship. We can start with 2 boxes on the birth certificate for the citizenship of the parents.

What if an American man marries a foreign woman and has a kid? Would the kid be a citizen or have to apply for it?

The kid would be a citizen.

What if the wrong people got in power and enacted a law saying no child born in the U.S. could have citizenship unless they joined the military or some other organization?

If the people vote and elect idiots that would do that, then so be it. I think this would be highly unlikely as both the left and the right would be opposed to this. There would be no purpose for the military to do this, they would reinstate the draft instead.

I know it’s easy to say, “oh that will never happen,” but could it at some point?

You stray from politics to science fiction. You would be much more presuasive if you could point to a similar policy in a non-dictator lead country anywhere else in the world, but you cannot.

Again it is a silly policy from a science fiction story. Countries would move to automatic conscription of citizens, which is historically what has been done and what happens now.

airupthere on August 26, 2015 at 8:46 AM

how would it be enforced?

Golly … if we only had some examples of how this could be done.

corona79 on August 26, 2015 at 8:52 AM

I doublechecked that in the book and it said military for full citizenship. Or atleast that’s what I read. I could’ve missed the part which said otherwise.

Taylor Millard on August 26, 2015 at 12:48 AM

Good grief Taylor, you DID miss that part.

Citizenship in Starship Troopers was not based on military service alone. The only requirements were that it be a federal assignment, that it be voluntary, and that it be difficult.

See the part in the beginning where Rico goes in for his enlistment physical. The civilian doctor examining him states that no one is turned away unless it is determined that they can’t understand the oath. “If you came in here in a wheelchair and blind in both eyes… they will find you something silly to match. Counting the fuzz on a caterpillar by touch, maybe.”

This is not to say that Heinlein’s society would have been a good one or even worked the way he described, but there was no draft, and military service was not the only way to earn citizenship.

Madcap_Magician on August 26, 2015 at 9:35 AM

So, Jeb hates Chinese people?

faraway on August 25, 2015 at 9:40 PM

That’s how I see it.

So if Jeb’s wife was Chinese…

mjbrooks3 on August 25, 2015 at 9:46 PM

He would have identified himself as an Asian on his voter registration and birth tourism would be an “act of love.”

magicbeans on August 26, 2015 at 9:43 AM

Birth tourism is only cool if you’re Hispanic and stick around for the free welfare bennies.

magicbeans on August 26, 2015 at 10:00 AM

Here’s my problem with getting rid of birthright citizenship: how would it be enforced?

The United States and Canada are the only developed nations in the world to still offer Birthright Citizenship to tourists and illegal aliens.

…and, coincidentally I’m sure, those two countries are somewhat unique in opportunity and greatness. Ditching birthright citizenship — ignoring its political infeasibility — would require getting rid of many of the values that make us great. Every person in America would have to show papers that his or her mother or father was a U.S. citizen (or maybe legal resident), or risk being rounded up and detained and/or deported. On the father side, perhaps we’d require both a DNA test and legal documentation. It would be a brave new European-style world, with a heavier hand for government and the type of permanent underclass that we see in countries like France. Is this the America we want? Is the immigration problem so serious that we want to abandon the freedoms, openness, and opportunities we associate with the U.S. (and “maybe Canada,” in the words of The Simpsons)?

calbear on August 26, 2015 at 10:06 AM

Aug 26, 2015 at 9:35 am Madcap_Magician

Not trying to quibble but recruiter says “A term of service isn’t a kitty camp; it’s either real military service, rough and dangerous even in peacetime…or a most unreasonable facsimile there of. Not a vacation. not a romantic adventure. Well?”

It sounds like service is considered “military” regardless where it is.

Aug 26, 2015 at 8:19 am bobthm3

The issue is it’s not JUST a Mexican or Central American thing. And those trying to make it one aren’t, IMO, looking at whole issue.

Taylor Millard on August 26, 2015 at 10:47 AM

No Taylor and those that make it a Mexican thing are RACIST. This is about any foreign national coming here to explicitly get around our immigration laws. Birthright Citizenship was meant for Slaves born in the USA/CUSA not so people could bypass Federal law. We don’t reward lawbreakers, we don’t allow profit from breaking the laws and we don’t allow children to keep the ill-gotten gains from their parents. They should be returned, with their parents, to their nation of origin. It’s that simple. There are 6 Billion that would love to be here, sorry, not enough room, fix your own country.

rgranger on August 26, 2015 at 12:39 PM

Jeb is … wrong. And so are you.

Orientals are not the problem. Their children grow up to be great Americans.

It’s the hispanics who come here, suck up huge amounts of entitlements, get nowhere in their lives and bring their mooch relatives after them that are the problem.

chuckh on August 26, 2015 at 12:48 PM

*chortle*

Yep, China is one very exciting place.

Bitter Clinger on August 25, 2015 at 10:23 PM

Indeed it is. One of the reasons I like living here. Have you ever been?

DarkCurrent on August 26, 2015 at 2:05 PM

But that’s a subset, a large subset, but a subset, of all Chinese. For the younger ones and the middle-aged, life is not boring here and the opportunity to prosper is much better because there are fewer competitors in the race to succeed.

Dusty on August 25, 2015 at 11:49 PM

Actually many young and middle-aged Chinese people find the US a boring place to live as well. I was just chatting with a middle-aged Chinese friend currently working in the US who told me he plans to come back to Shanghai in the next year or two for that very reason.

DarkCurrent on August 26, 2015 at 2:14 PM

I’d be bored too if I spent my days at home dodging buildings which are tipping over and factories exploding.

Bishop on August 25, 2015 at 10:20 PM

Have you seen this before Bish? I suppose you can figure out how it connects to your comment.

DarkCurrent on August 26, 2015 at 2:20 PM

so I know a friend of a friend who is being a surrogate for a rich Chinese couple. She is having their kid for 50K, I’m assuming the kid will end up with dual citizenship. just another way that our current interpretation of the 14th amendment is bullshit

burserker on August 26, 2015 at 4:23 PM