Kasich: We live with the fact that Roe v. Wade is the law of the land

posted at 7:21 pm on August 20, 2015 by Allahpundit

Via the Weekly Standard and the Federalist, lots of buzz among social conservatives about this exchange yesterday afternoon. The soundbite in isolation isn’t dramatic — Roe is, tragically, the law of the land and we do live with it — but the context makes it more ominous. A libertarian stood up at a town hall and told him point blank that he’s looking for a president who’s a fiscal conservative and who’s also “not a threat to a woman’s right to control her own body.” Translation: You won’t come after Roe, will you? To which Kasich replied, hey, it’s the law of the land and we live with it. Gulp. Meanwhile, when CNN asked him about abortion four days ago, he dismissed their questions by insisting that the GOP spends “too much” time on the issue when there are other important problems like infant mortality and the environment to focus on. He said this, mind you, at a moment when the Planned Parenthood sting videos are consuming conservative media. Second look at Jeb?

Depending upon how well disposed you are to Kasich (which probably isn’t much, given his role as the Huntsman in the 2016 race), you could view this as a case of a guy who’s actually solidly pro-life trying to weasel out of a tough question from a pro-choicer. He doesn’t reassure the questioner, after all, that he’d leave Roe alone; all he says is that we’re living with it, which is a pretty vacant statement of intention. In fact, when reporters cornered him afterward, he revised what he said this way:

After the town hall meeting, Kasich told reporters he had signed abortion restrictions in Ohio.

“It’s the law of the land until it changes,” he said.

He has indeed signed abortion restrictions as governor. Per the Standard, “Kasich has overseen a drop in his state’s abortion rate to all-time lows, signing into law a budget that defunded Planned Parenthood in his state and a ban on abortions performed after the fetus can be viable outside the womb.” That’s encouraging even though yesterday’s soundbite isn’t. So how damning this is depends, really, on your own personal reading of the Kasich tea leaves. Is Sean Davis right that this amounts to Kasich signaling a Mitch Daniels-esque “truce” with Democrats on social issues once he’s elected president? Or, in his attempt to consolidate moderates, is he actually trying to disguise the fact that he’d firmly oppose abortion as president so that the centrist voters he needs right now don’t get cold feet? You tell me.

Exit quotation via Davis: “Kasich tells Obamacare opponents they’re going to hell, but won’t tell an abortion supporter that he thinks Roe v. Wade was wrong.”


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Kasich, Gilmore. Blah.

Sherman1864 on August 20, 2015 at 7:23 PM

This man could win the nomination . . . if he were seeking it from the Democratic party.

Skipity on August 20, 2015 at 7:24 PM

Kasich has declared his love of abortion time and time again – we don’t need another reminder.

Pork-Chop on August 20, 2015 at 7:24 PM

Thats showin em, john….

Indiana Jim on August 20, 2015 at 7:26 PM

This guy was better as a fox news host….and that aint sayin much.

Indiana Jim on August 20, 2015 at 7:27 PM

Progressives never live with the fact that McDonald vs. Chicago is the law of the land.

Progressives never live with the fact that Citizens United vs FCC is the law of the land.

Hate it, but Progressives fight to win. If they lose, they fight harder.

Last point, and don’t hate me for pointing this out; Progressives have jobs. Not many kids, but they are not lazy.

HonestLib on August 20, 2015 at 7:29 PM

Who cares, this guys is a clown and has at most maybe 3% support in the primary – if that.

Also, isn’t it true that guys like this running a campaign get to keep the campaign donations for other uses?
That might explain a lot of these secondary candidates.

celt on August 20, 2015 at 7:30 PM

Deez Nuts is looking better and better.

Chomsky Dance Recital on August 20, 2015 at 7:31 PM

Kasich, like a lot of the lower tier candidates, don’t have a prayer of winning, so running seems like folly.

If you can’t gin up enough donors for your candiacy, wth bother?

Kasich, Christie, Pataki…nice people one and all, I’m sure, but not the types you picture when you say “President “

BlaxPac on August 20, 2015 at 7:32 PM

It’s so early in the race that all of these candidates (‘pubs and Dims) will have more than ample opportunities to trip over their tongues, change and spin and flip all over the place that confusion will reign supreme and whose ever name is mentioned last will get the votes of the eternally brain dead.

vnvet on August 20, 2015 at 7:33 PM

Kasich in 1860: We live with the fact that Dred Scott v. Sandford is the law of the land

ShainS on August 20, 2015 at 7:34 PM

Kasich is called a LIBERAL EVANGELICAL CHRISTIAN, kind of a compassionate conservative on steroids. Others say there’s no “conservative” there at all, he’s essentially a Democrat.

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2015/07/21/john-kasich-a-jeb-bush-in-jon-huntsman-clothing/

My earlier comment:

I just saw a segment on him on CNN. Kasich is about as left as you can get as a Republican. He makes a big self-righteous noise about how he’s so special to want to “feed the poor, and clothe the naked.” Please. And he fought the OH Republican legislature to try to force Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion onto the state. Kasich goes against the grain of Republicanism, going left also on AMNESTY, gun control, abortion, gay marriage, Common Core, and climate change.

In fact, now Kasich has become a poster boy for the left on climate change, literally: http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2012/aug/29/florida-wildlife-federation/convention-billboard-touts-john-kasichs-view-clima/

I mean, get real, Kasich wants to “clothe the naked.” Like we got of hordes of people walking around town naked because they can’t afford the $1.04 for a shirt and $2.11 for shorts at Walmart. Yeah, I don’t see ‘em. And I would notice that sort of thing.

anotherJoe on August 20, 2015 at 7:34 PM

Grossly incompetent creep.

VorDaj on August 20, 2015 at 7:34 PM

Kasich won’t do anything about abortion or gay marriage. He’d probably seek to sell out on anything else that ever came to the fore also. The good news is that there’s about 15 candidates in the field better than him.

Stoic Patriot on August 20, 2015 at 7:34 PM

We live with the fact you’ll never be POTUS.

Baggi on August 20, 2015 at 7:34 PM

What he’s basically saying: “Unborn babies don’t vote. Screw them.”

Zuwie on August 20, 2015 at 7:35 PM

His great-great-great grandfather: “We live with the fact that slavery is the law of the land”.

VorDaj on August 20, 2015 at 7:36 PM

Kasich defends immigrants as ‘contributing significantly’

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2015/08/12/kasich-defends-immigrants-as-contributing-significantly

Kasich quickly dismissed a questioner during an afternoon town hall-style meeting who suggested immigrants in the country illegally are a burden on the system.

“A lot of these people who are here are some of the hardest-working, God-fearing, family-oriented people you can ever meet,” Kasich said to a smattering of polite applause.

anotherJoe on August 20, 2015 at 7:36 PM

Kasich in 1860: We live with the fact that Dred Scott v. Sandford is the law of the land

ShainS on August 20, 2015 at 7:34 PM

Thats what I was trying to say.

VorDaj on August 20, 2015 at 7:37 PM

So was Plessy at one time.

rbj on August 20, 2015 at 7:38 PM

“feed the poor, and clothe the naked”

That’s offensive to nudists!

Zuwie on August 20, 2015 at 7:38 PM

Sadly, my governor symbolizes everything most of us hate about the GOP establishment.

cynccook on August 20, 2015 at 7:38 PM

“A lot of these people who are here are some of the hardest-working, God-fearing, family-oriented people you can ever meet,” Kasich said to a smattering of polite applause.

anotherJoe on August 20, 2015 at 7:36 PM

As opposed to those who are here legally presumably. Another American hater.

VorDaj on August 20, 2015 at 7:39 PM

He sure must frequent a lot of nudist colonies and often to think there are so many naked people running around loose.

VorDaj on August 20, 2015 at 7:41 PM

Kasich knows that the Democrats are going to be looking for a strong contender once Hillary is sent off to the bughouse.

Joseph K on August 20, 2015 at 7:41 PM

i wish he would have pointed out that abortion kills someone else’s body that’s not part of the woman’s body.

the “woman’s body” argument is immensely irritating and i’m so sick of abortion supporters using it.

Sachiko on August 20, 2015 at 7:42 PM

As a legal matter, the notion that Roe v. Wade is “settled law” or “black print law” is a myth. There is no such thing as “settled law.” He’s right it’s the law but the inference it can’t be changed is incorrect.

Politically, it would a hard slog to change the law. That part is a hearts and minds deal. Those videos are a huge part in doing that, let’s hope people continue to unveil what PP really is. A Progressive Death Machine.

AYNBLAND on August 20, 2015 at 7:42 PM

Meanwhile, when CNN asked him about abortion four days ago, he dismissed their questions by insisting that the GOP spends “too much” time on the issue when there are other important problems like infant mortality and the environment to focus on. He said this, mind you, at a moment when the Planned Parenthood sting videos are consuming conservative media.

How is that an “other” issue exactly?

RINO in Name Only on August 20, 2015 at 7:42 PM

the difference between establishment republicans and democrats. democrats will never say citizens united is law of the land and actively seek to overturn it.

democrats are doing what some conservatives are just now starting to do: ignoring the status qua and pushing their agenda!

these establishment republicans don’t understand this at all!

jetch on August 20, 2015 at 7:43 PM

Going for that huge swath of Huntsman voters I see.

njrob on August 20, 2015 at 7:43 PM

Kasich as a Congresscritter wrote legislation that opposed anchor babies.

Kasich, when running for governor of Ohio, stated that he opposed keeping illegals here because of anchor babies.

Kasich, last week when responding to Trump’s comments, hey we can talk about immigration reform without dealing with anchor babies.

Bottom line, Kasich is a liberal tool with no moral grounding. He’s as bad as Trump and I don’t know why anybody would support him for President.

Happy Nomad on August 20, 2015 at 7:44 PM

Kasich: We live with the fact that Roe v. Wade is the law of the land

Who is this “we” of whom you speak?

FlameWarrior on August 20, 2015 at 7:44 PM

BTW, it is a minor miracle that his answer concerning abortion does not include a mention that his father was a mailman.

Happy Nomad on August 20, 2015 at 7:46 PM

Receiving the PP Seal of Approval:

A recently leaked video from Bangladesh shows Muslims beating and torturing a Christian child, eventually killing him. Although the death is not seen in the video, the torturing that leads to the death is. As can be seen in the video, the Muslim antichrists tied the boy up to keep him from escaping, and as they sadistically beat him, you can hear them laughing. Here is the very heart wrenching video:

http://shoebat.com/2015/08/20/video-shows-muslims-tie-christian-child-to-a-poll-and-beat-him-to-death-and-laugh-about-it/

davidk on August 20, 2015 at 7:47 PM

davidk on August 20, 2015 at 7:47 PM

I thought about posting that earlier but physically started to get sick.

Shoebat, it s/b noted says “Muslims”, not “Islamists” or some other malarkey. Muslims! Muslims! Muslims! Doing just what Mohammad, all Muslim’s “Perfect Man”, would do.

VorDaj on August 20, 2015 at 7:52 PM

Just a reminder:

Noah Rothman: “Now, just to get this out of the way: I do support the protections provided by Roe.”

Pork-Chop on August 20, 2015 at 7:52 PM

How is that an “other” issue exactly?

RINO in Name Only on August 20, 2015 at 7:42 PM

i thought that was weird… let’s not talk about babies dying and instead we’ll talk about babies dying.

Sachiko on August 20, 2015 at 7:54 PM

I can understand not making the end of Roe v. Wade you campaign centerpiece but couldn’t he work up a little outrage for these videos going around?

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2015 at 8:03 PM

Kasich in 1860: We live with the fact that Dred Scott v. Sandford is the law of the land

ShainS on August 20, 2015 at 7:34 PM

And he would have been right. And look what it took to reverse the effects of that decision.

And ask yourself “Are we prepared to go to those lengths to end abortion”…

JohnGalt23 on August 20, 2015 at 8:06 PM

I can understand not making the end of Roe v. Wade you campaign centerpiece but couldn’t he work up a little outrage for these videos going around?

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2015 at 8:03 PM

Down deep he’s a liberal social justice Christian.

CWforFreedom on August 20, 2015 at 8:06 PM

I think its okay for pro lifers to punt when they have to. Its not like democrats are honest about their intentions.

We don’t want to take away your guns.
You can keep your doctor.
No taxes for the middle class.
We’re not socialists.

El_Terrible on August 20, 2015 at 8:08 PM

He thinks the Supreme Court creates law on Roe and gay marriage…

sorrowen on August 20, 2015 at 8:13 PM

CWforFreedom on August 20, 2015 at 8:06 PM

I’m pretty sure we can’t afford any more of those.

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2015 at 8:17 PM

un-Trumpish

mjbrooks3 on August 20, 2015 at 8:18 PM

Davis: “Kasich tells Obamacare opponents they’re going to hell, but won’t tell an abortion supporter that he thinks Roe v. Wade was wrong.”

Typical liberal Rrpublican. If, as Allah wonders, Kasich thinks he’s bluffing RINOs and Dems into thinking he’s soft on abortion while he’s actually taking aggressive measures to restrict it, then he’s just another liar politician. Clarity is much more important than agreement.

Jaibones on August 20, 2015 at 8:19 PM

I can understand not making the end of Roe v. Wade you campaign centerpiece but couldn’t he work up a little outrage for these videos going around?

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2015 at 8:03 PM

Down deep he’s a liberal social justice Christian.

CWforFreedom on August 20, 2015 at 8:06 PM

I think that’s right.

Jaibones on August 20, 2015 at 8:23 PM

so were sodomy laws and wife beatings.

dmacleo on August 20, 2015 at 8:24 PM

And he would have been right. And look what it took to reverse the effects of that decision.

And ask yourself “Are we prepared to go to those lengths to end abortion”…

JohnGalt23 on August 20, 2015 at 8:06 PM

The Civil War could have been avoided while the country divided into two, and slavery — on its way out throughout most of the world at that time — would have eventually ended in the 19th century, even in the South.

Obviously, slavery and abortion have different contexts and victims. If the victims of abortion could rise up against those butchering them, perhaps there would be another Civil War …

ShainS on August 20, 2015 at 8:27 PM

Kasich won’t do anything about abortion or gay marriage…The good news is that there’s about 15 candidates in the field better than him.

Stoic Patriot on August 20, 2015 at 7:34 PM

None of the others will do anything about abortion or gay marriage either if, by “do anything,” you mean stop it somehow. They’re just telling you what you want to hear. At least Kasich is being honest with you.

cam2 on August 20, 2015 at 8:30 PM

And ask yourself “Are we prepared to go to those lengths to end abortion”…

JohnGalt23 on August 20, 2015 at 8:06 PM

Nice sophistry. How about this scenario. A child is entombed in a warm safe place. The child is gaining strength and growing every day. The child is perfectly capable of living outside the tomb if necessary. Then one day, a tube destroys the walls of that tomb and kills the child.

Why isn’t this murder?

Happy Nomad on August 20, 2015 at 8:31 PM

This is another old argument that will not be solved by changing the Constitution or through Presidential action. If Ronald Reagan and both Bushes were unwilling to touch Roe v. Wade, you can bet no future Republican president will, and certainly no Democrat. Many states already have strong abortion laws. Planned Parenthood may be its undoing if they ever get taken to court.

WestVirginiaRebel on August 20, 2015 at 8:43 PM

And ask yourself “Are we prepared to go to those lengths to end abortion”…

JohnGalt23 on August 20, 2015 at 8:06 PM

Yes. Saving 50 million innocent babies is damn worth what ever we have to do. And it is ridiculous to suggest that it would take a civil war.

they lie on August 20, 2015 at 8:43 PM

Kasich is the fighter we’ve been waiting for!

casel21 on August 20, 2015 at 8:44 PM

C’mon, Kasich, this was an easy one. “Well, my libertarian friend, I’m sure you’ve considered that there are TWO bodies involved in this ‘decision,’ and the little body is more profoundly affected than the big body. And my concern is with the little body.”

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater on August 20, 2015 at 8:46 PM

AYNBLAND on August 20, 2015 at 7:42 PM

In that you realize the futility of making birthright citizenship a political issue, I’m surprised at your position–although you do state changing Roe would be a hard slog.

Kasich is right. But the reason Roe is not going to change is that most of the country doesn’t want to see a total prohibition of abortion. That makes advocating for its reversal a losing political issue.

Now, a significant number of people are in favor of restrictions. A large majority opposes abortion-on-demand at any point in the pregnancy.

So it makes sense to chip away at the edges. The twenty-week restriction is entirely possible. Defunding PP is likely possible, with a Republican POTUS.

In politics, as in life, you have to choose your battles. Tilting at political windmills may please the extremists, like the Cruzbots who cheered on his counterproductive filibuster, and the Trump nuts who are being suckered by his impossible promises. Candidates should focus on the battles that can be won–or you end up with the anger we are currently seeing because nothing is being accomplished in DC.

Meredith on August 20, 2015 at 8:57 PM

Kasich in 1860:

“We live with the fact that ‘Dred Scott v. Sandford’ is the law of the land”

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ShainS on August 20, 2015 at 7:34 PM
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Thats what I was trying to say.

VorDaj on August 20, 2015 at 7:37 PM

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Me too (late to the thread).

listens2glenn on August 20, 2015 at 9:02 PM

Kasich is the fighter we’ve been waiting for!
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casel21 on August 20, 2015 at 8:44 PM

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“Brave Sir Robin”?

listens2glenn on August 20, 2015 at 9:03 PM

ShainS on August 20, 2015 at 7:34 PM

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And he would have been right. And look what it took to reverse the effects of that decision.

And ask yourself “Are we prepared to go to those lengths to end abortion”…
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JohnGalt23 on August 20, 2015 at 8:06 PM

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Y E S.
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(did the FBI, NSA, CIA, and any other agency I may have missed … GET that?)

listens2glenn on August 20, 2015 at 9:08 PM

I remember, not all that long ago, that “marriage”, the law of the land, was defined as belonging to one man and one woman.

Reuben Hick on August 20, 2015 at 9:09 PM

JohnGalt23 on August 20, 2015 at 8:06 PM

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I should have added; relinquishing “states rights” in favor of a stronger Federal government was NOT a necessity, for the freeing of the slaves.

listens2glenn on August 20, 2015 at 9:11 PM

If you’re going to dabble with more religous leaning candidates, I’d rather have Santorum.

Kasich isn’t exciting enough to garner that kind of support. He had his fifteen seconds of a decent showing at the first debate, but that clock has ticked by already.

BlaxPac on August 20, 2015 at 9:13 PM

Reuben Hick on August 20, 2015 at 9:09 PM

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We don’t have the same “magic wand” SCOTUS has.

listens2glenn on August 20, 2015 at 9:13 PM

BlaxPac on August 20, 2015 at 9:13 PM

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I like Santorum, but what d’ya got against Cruz?

listens2glenn on August 20, 2015 at 9:14 PM

Kasich says he’s religious, but then he says that the Bible doesn’t tell him what to think–except (1) when it supposedly tells him to tell the feds to borrow money from the Chinese so that he can expand Medicaid in Ohio while claiming to retrieve nonexistent Ohio tax dollars, and (2) when it supposedly tells him to attend same-sex weddings.

BuckeyeSam on August 20, 2015 at 9:38 PM

I would never vote for him. In fact, I’m sick of weak men like him.

BillCarson on August 20, 2015 at 9:49 PM

The child is perfectly capable of living outside the tomb if necessary. Then one day, a tube destroys the walls of that tomb and kills the child.

Why isn’t this murder?

Happy Nomad on August 20, 2015 at 8:31 PM

If the capacity to live outside the uterus (viability) is the key factor, would you support a compromise banning post-viability abortions in exchange for unrestricted pre-viability abortions?

cam2 on August 20, 2015 at 9:51 PM

I like Santorum, but what d’ya got against Cruz?

listens2glenn on August 20, 2015 at 9:14 PM

Nothing at all; Cruz is on my “Decided” short list if he gets the candidacy, barring any “October Surprises”.

Santorum was actually on Levin tonite: He made some very strong concise arguments against PP (Murder, Inc) at the end of Levins interview with him, mostly they were discussing the 14th Amendment…very good segment, if you get a chance to, download it from Levins official website.

I’ve heard Cruz speak some on faith-based issues but I’ve heard a lot more from Santorum, and I remember how he was during the last campaign: he doesn’t hide his faith and he has a decent grassroots game…but his biggest drawback, like a lot of them is going to be money.

BlaxPac on August 20, 2015 at 9:54 PM

Kasich was completely dismissive in attitude, toward any other point of view. As if tying it up with a bow solves the underlying issue. Immediate and permanent fail.

paul1149 on August 20, 2015 at 9:58 PM

Cant believe this jackwad grew up in my hometown. Of course, Pennsylvania is a blue state so maybe just a glimmer of who he really is.

crosshugger on August 20, 2015 at 10:06 PM

It’s getting so tiring listening to these RINOs with their ‘Law of the land’ BS. The Libs never give up. and they wonder why they keep losing.

RdLake on August 20, 2015 at 10:37 PM

If the capacity to live outside the uterus (viability) is the key factor, would you support a compromise banning post-viability abortions in exchange for unrestricted pre-viability abortions?

cam2 on August 20, 2015 at 9:51 PM

Viability is a phantom line drawn up by the pro abortion crowd with no intent to live by it. Look how hard they fought against PBA restrictions, and still are.

Additionally, viability is subjective and arbitrary; medical science could hardly save a baby 100 years ago both before 35 weeks. 50 years ago it was 30 weeks. Nowadays they can save some babies as early as the midpoint of the pregnancy. There is no difference between a baby at 30 weeks 100 years ago, 50, or today, or 50 years later; the only difference is on the calendar. It’s arbitrary. Shoot even today, the same woman living here could have a viable premature baby, but living in Africa she would be in trouble. Even visiting Africa she’d be in trouble. How can the difference between a baby and not a baby be nothing more than where the mother happens to be standing at this moment? It’s a meaningless contrivance.

Other made up lines are the rape/incest exceptional cases. Like the split baby you propose, nobody would give up the 98% of elective cases to secure the remaining 2% that I might concede. It’s a trap question disguised as a reasonable exception. But you can’t have exceptions without a standard in place.

The Schaef on August 20, 2015 at 10:41 PM

He’s a hypocrite. It’s good that he’s going nowhere.

David Blue on August 20, 2015 at 10:44 PM

The guy asking the questions of Kasich was indeed a true libertarian of the “my rights trump yours” ilk.

unclesmrgol on August 20, 2015 at 11:04 PM

But you can’t have exceptions without a standard in place.

The Schaef on August 20, 2015 at 10:41 PM

What would you propose for a standard?

cam2 on August 20, 2015 at 11:07 PM

John, you’re dead to me. NEXT!

thesorcerer on August 20, 2015 at 11:28 PM

Benefit of doubt…maybe he’s so focused on campaigning for himself that he hasn’t seen one of the PP videos. If he has seen even just one, SHAME ON HIM!

balkanmom on August 20, 2015 at 11:39 PM

I like Santorum, but what d’ya got against Cruz?
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listens2glenn on August 20, 2015 at 9:14 PM

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I’ve heard Cruz speak some on faith-based issues but I’ve heard a lot more from Santorum, and I remember how he was during the last campaign: he doesn’t hide his faith and he has a decent grassroots game…but his biggest drawback, like a lot of them is going to be money.
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BlaxPac on August 20, 2015 at 9:54 PM

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I still maintain that if it were not for the ‘open primaries’ in the “rust belt” states, Santorum would have won the Republican nomination in 2012.

listens2glenn on August 21, 2015 at 2:52 AM

Kasich’s new campaign slogan should be this.

Kasich 2016: Sok, I don’t know who I am either.

Gatsu on August 21, 2015 at 6:56 AM

BlaxPac on August 20, 2015 at 9:54 PM
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I still maintain that if it were not for the ‘open primaries’ in the “rust belt” states, Santorum would have won the Republican nomination in 2012.

Rick favors censoring porn from the Internet. While that may be a worthwhile idea, the fact he thinks the government should have the ability or power to restrict anything online or anywhere else immediately counts him out. Censorship of any kind is absolutely wrong and despicable.

acetylene420 on August 21, 2015 at 8:01 AM

Another “go along to get along” candidate. No thanks

katiejane on August 21, 2015 at 8:13 AM

“…Roe v. Wade is the law of the land.”

No wonder the MSM declared him the debate winner. Definition of winning debate: You show up and don’t take off your clothes or otherwise disgrace yourself.

MaiDee on August 21, 2015 at 8:28 AM

What would you propose for a standard?

cam2 on August 20, 2015 at 11:07 PM

So you acknowledge that these “exceptions” aren’t actually exceptions to anything?

The Schaef on August 21, 2015 at 8:34 AM

Gov. Kasich is hardly the man to sit in the same office as the one who said this:

“The probability that we may fall in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just; it shall not deter me.”

Abraham Lincoln

The Commentator on August 21, 2015 at 9:53 AM

O/T to anyone who wants to play the “pro-lifers are hypocrites cause they wouldn’t adopt these babies”, we see what happens when people try, and we’re not getting sucked into that side conversation.

The Schaef on August 21, 2015 at 9:59 AM

Sad, that Kasich is so dumb and ill-informed. ANY law made can be amended, repealed and erased from the records. Worked years for lawyers at all levels of law practice from local to fed Supreme Court. No law is ever sacrosanct! The Supreme Court is to interpret while we are seeing this SC make laws which mean they can be fired when We, the People decide, not some choom fried empty suit!

Roselle on August 21, 2015 at 12:38 PM

Kasich in 1860: We live with the fact that Dred Scott v. Sandford is the law of the land

ShainS on August 20, 2015 at 7:34 PM

This. Thread winner.

RI_Red on August 21, 2015 at 12:38 PM

And he would have been right. And look what it took to reverse the effects of that decision.

And ask yourself “Are we prepared to go to those lengths to end abortion”…
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JohnGalt23 on August 20, 2015 at 8:06 PM

A fair enough point. It took America almost 100 years to end slavery, the vast majority of the North literally did not care about ending it, the necessary solution was not tried until the absolute last minute and the free states by that point had let themselves be walked over in the name of maintaining peace.

Americans are very hesitant to gamble on the outcome of a second Civil War for some very good reasons, but at this point I submit that support for ending abortion by force (and lets face it, that’s the only way now) will not come until either immediately before or after a national collapse of some other kind, likely economic or racial-social.

LawfulGood on August 22, 2015 at 9:24 AM