Hillary begs forgiveness from abortion warriors in new video: I am with you, Planned Parenthood!

posted at 4:01 pm on August 3, 2015 by Allahpundit

Five days later, she’s still doing penance with the left for calling the CMP videos “disturbing,” eh? She must be in some awfully hot water behind the scenes: Josh Jordan’s right that she’s taking a risk here by stepping up for PP knowing that more videos are to come, with who knows what sort of horrors described between sips of wine and bites of salad. Her strategy to date has been to lie low and avoid comment on hot buttons as much as possible, lest it leave her caught between attacks from the right by the GOP and from the left by Bernie Sanders. With Planned Parenthood, though, she doesn’t have a choice. This is pure litmus-test material for liberals, something Sanders (or Joe Biden?) could club her with if she stayed silent, especially after she already antagonized them with what she said about the clips. Plus, single women are arguably the most important constituency to her campaign next year, one where she needs to run up the score to offset the GOP’s advantage with men. What good is having a First! Woman! President!, Democratic women might wonder, if she’s not ready to go to bat for abortion on the day the Senate is set to vote to defund PP?

I’ll give her credit for this much: At least she uses the word “abortion” here. Usually Democratic paeans to selling mutilated babies’ body parts are euphemistic all the way through. While we wait for the big vote, go read Sean Davis and Mollie Hemingway on some of Planned Parenthood’s more popular lies about what they do for “women’s health.”


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It violates your misunderstanding of my position, sure. My actual position? Not so much.

I’m going by what you said. If there’s a misunderstanding, it’s because you misstate.

For humans, “organism” is a threshold reached at some point in late pregnancy when an otherwise undamaged fetus could be removed from the mother and survive with no more care than a healthy full term baby (“true viability”).

Let’s stop for a moment and point out that a). this varies from clinical definitions of an organism, and b). is your arbitrary “philosophical” definition of a human.

The organism qualifier is not rescinded by later damage or birth defects to an organism excepting death.

This alters your prior definition. If the baby requires additional care of any kind, it objectively violates the definition above.

Additionally, there is no clear definition from you of what constitutes a “birth defect” as differs from underdevelopment. More to the point, you define healthy as “not needing additional care”, but humans break down all the time and require additional care. If you want to say those who need care later in life are just humans who need care, fine, but acknowledging that humans sometimes need care basically negates the argument that requiring care disqualifies a baby from humanity.

In numerous prior discussions you have likened a baby to a mole or cyst, an anomalous tissue outgrowth. Such alterations are typically considered somatic gene mutations. Are you saying a baby in utero is a somatic gene mutation?

The Schaef on August 3, 2015 at 9:23 PM

Here’s Tiaioc’s idiocy on full display in a short paragraph.

He seems to think that birth defects are defects that occur during birth. He’s not smart enough to realize that birth defects are defects that are present at the time of birth.

blink on August 3, 2015 at 9:18 PM

I don’t think it is possible for an “educated” adult to be as unapologetically and invincibly stupid as Talcum-head. Commonsense can not even sustain itself in that twisted head.

He is definitely the product of the contra-education of public edjucatin’……

“Without education, we are in a horrible and deadly danger of taking educated people seriously.” ~ G.K.Chesterton

Augustinian on August 3, 2015 at 9:25 PM

You are incorrect and making up definitions to sustain your argument. A large number of organisms require the use of another separate organism to carry on some life processes, particularly nutrition- this isn’t a matter for debate, its just biological diversity.

Yes, parasites for instance, but that’s normal for their species. Humans are not parasites.

Are you claiming that being an embryo is NOT normal for the human species? You were claiming that an organism had to provide all its own life processes; clearly that is not true and you’ve admitted as much

Lets move on.

This is just exquisitely wrong. An embryo is NEVER a part of the mother’s reproductive system; in fact, the female immune system is very complex and specifically tailored to allow this foreign organism to live inside her without being attacked by her own white blood cells. If it were actually her own tissue, then this wouldn’t be necessary.

Except it is in fact part of her reproductive system. Yes the tissue has to be specially protected because it may be regarded as foreign but so what? The immune system is notorious for attacking the body’s tissues without provocation. That’s the basis of MS lupus and psoriasis for instance (and occurs on smaller scales all the time). It in no way means it isn’t part of her. It cannot live without her (unless some other artificial means takes her place) this directly proves that it is part of her.

As I’ve already stated, many organisms spend all or part of their life cycles piggybacking onto the environmental systems inside of another organism-just as an embryo does- and cannot live outside of that other organism. That does not make a parasite or a symbiote or an embryo the same organism as its host or partner. That’s just idiotic.

Lupus and other auto-immune diseases are disfunctions– you understand that? The embryo/fetus/baby is a foreign organism- completely different DNA- this is indisputable. It is never and can never be the same as the mother’s tissue.

Do you actually grasp the concept of DNA? Can you understand why DNA is used to prove whether or not a particular individual was involved in a crime, or is the parent of a child? Its it absolutely specific to one individual (barring identical twins, who shared a fertilized egg)

This is exactly the reason why women get auto-immune diseases and men rarely do- because the incredible complexity of the female immune system- which allows the baby to exist within her body but still slays other foreign invaders- malfunctions and causes disease. Again, this is basic biology. You don’t get to define this stuff to match up with your political beliefs.

A mammalian embryo is in many ways like parasites and symbiotes; it requires another organism to provide environmental support, but that doesn’t mean they are the SAME organism.

I don’t know what kind of work you do, Tlaloc, but you clearly lack a scientific background

Dolce Far Niente on August 3, 2015 at 8:19 PM

Funny my degrees would tend to dispute that. As would my work history.

Tlaloc on August 3, 2015 at 8:30 PM

No, sweetheart- its like arguing physics with a 12 year old. You are so poorly educated you can’t even see the fundamentals of the subject matter.

Dolce Far Niente on August 3, 2015 at 9:27 PM

He is definitely the product of the contra-education of public edjucatin’……

More likely he is still a fetus in the “educational” system, probably a mass of cells about the 10th grade of development.

F X Muldoon on August 3, 2015 at 9:28 PM

Yeah, it’s hilarious that he’s not smart enough to see how stupid he is.

He would have been much better off simply saying that infants born with a birth defect that prevents them from surviving without respiratory or digestive help can be killed.

Maybe he was worried about leftists thinking he wasn’t being compassionate towards those born digestively challenged.

According to Tiaioc:

Infant born with underdeveloped lungs = OK to kill

Infant born without any lungs = Can’t kill because it’s protected by the Americans with Disabilities Act

blink on August 3, 2015 at 9:24 PM

He’s clearly inconsistent for the sake of parsing and obfuscation. Which of course means he’s intentionally dishonest – and simply doesn’t care.

He’s a true Leftist: The end always justifies the means.

Augustinian on August 3, 2015 at 9:30 PM

Funny my degrees would tend to dispute that. As would my work history.

Tlaloc on August 3, 2015 at 8:30 PM

Bullshit. Not once have you ever discussed a single subject that gave any hint of your advanced expertise in any discipline. You throw your opinion around like a kid in a bean-bag game contest, but you’re short on any comments that describe even a working knowledge of any profession.

hawkdriver on August 3, 2015 at 9:33 PM

Actually, I think he thought he could shoot from the hip on this one, and just got himself into all kinds of trouble trying to twist enough to keep arguing.

He’s been exactly like alkaseltzer19. He didn’t care about being right. He knew he blew that a long time ago. He was just trying to keep giving the appearance of a fight.

There’s no referee to declare a TKO.

blink on August 3, 2015 at 9:32 PM

Possibly. Also, the trolls in here live for the soundbites of individual posts. As if all prior and all following comments that readily destroy their insanity never exist.

This level of stupidity makes me feel soiled…..

Augustinian on August 3, 2015 at 9:34 PM

More likely he is still a fetus in the “educational” system, probably a mass of cells about the 10th grade of development.

F X Muldoon on August 3, 2015 at 9:28 PM

He claims to be an adult black male, living in Seattle (he shared pictures of himself and his silly friends on Instagram with us one memorable evening).

He also claimed to be the father of children, but is not married to their mothers and doesn’t live with his kids. In fact, there were no pictures of his children on his Instagram account.

Make of that what you will.

Dolce Far Niente on August 3, 2015 at 9:35 PM

He claims to be an adult black male, living in Seattle (he shared pictures of himself and his silly friends on Instagram with us one memorable evening).

He also claimed to be the father of children, but is not married to their mothers and doesn’t live with his kids. In fact, there were no pictures of his children on his Instagram account.

Make of that what you will.

Dolce Far Niente on August 3, 2015 at 9:35 PM

Now that’s strange. Bcs he claimed to me that he was not black.
Look. You’re dealing with some clown on the internet, with an awful lot of time on his hands. Nobody “degreed” as he claims has time for this tripe.
Look. You folks are playing chess with a pigeon – no matter how serious you take the game, it’s simply going to knock all the pieces over, crap all over the board and strut around like it won.

Judge_Dredd on August 3, 2015 at 9:39 PM

phi-los-o-phize or (especially British) philosophise

[fi-los-uh-fahyz]

Spell Syllables

Examples
Word Origin

verb (used without object), philosophized, philosophizing.

1.

to speculate or theorize, usually in a superficial or imprecise manner.

2.

to think or reason as a philosopher.

Y’all need only remember that Lumpy(Tlaloc) is arguing purely from his intransigent philosophical viewpoint, nothing more. Facts are of little meaning in his world because he chooses to change and/or ignore the ‘science’ behind those facts on a whim for the sake of “argumentation”…He feels no need to provide citation for what he posits because he is simply “philosophizing”…

Ain’t that right, Lumpy?

tanked59 on August 3, 2015 at 9:41 PM

He claims to be an adult black male, living in Seattle (he shared pictures of himself and his silly friends on Instagram with us one memorable evening).

I thought that was parlortricks AKA DropzADime or whatever.

F X Muldoon on August 3, 2015 at 9:50 PM

He claims to be an adult black male, living in Seattle (he shared pictures of himself and his silly friends on Instagram with us one memorable evening).

He also claimed to be the father of children, but is not married to their mothers and doesn’t live with his kids. In fact, there were no pictures of his children on his Instagram account.

Make of that what you will.

Dolce Far Niente on August 3, 2015 at 9:35 PM

Ah yes, so Talcum-head is the product of an Affirmative Action edjucatin’ and he’s also a pimp daddy atheist.

That actually explains everything…..

Augustinian on August 3, 2015 at 10:03 PM

Bullshit. Not once have you ever discussed a single subject that gave any hint of your advanced expertise in any discipline. You throw your opinion around like a kid in a bean-bag game contest, but you’re short on any comments that describe even a working knowledge of any profession.

hawkdriver on August 3, 2015 at 9:33 PM

Good point. He just pukes it out, schools us, and says “we should all just agree with his point.” Cause he is a very sharp fella. And he also said, we are “tribal” and “hate others”. No, I hate those who would destroy our nation…any, and all, repub or dem.

arnold ziffel on August 3, 2015 at 10:11 PM

I thought that was parlortricks AKA DropzADime or whatever.

F X Muldoon on August 3, 2015 at 9:50 PM

You can usually tell just by the screen name. Just like in real life, they all have an act. Learned from the culture and vying for attention with 8 other siblings.

Judge_Dredd on August 3, 2015 at 10:11 PM

Did you bother to notice those weren’t questions?

I hate to point out the obvious, but…

Tlaloc on August 3, 2015 at 8:51 PM

How about I point out the obvious to you…

No, you did have a moving target over your characterizations – going through several variations until it seems you’ve settled on one that’s the most convenient for you.

Based on the above characterization, if someone decides that the above prematurely born baby should be killed, under your definition, it’s not murder because since that infant was being kept alive by machines – and therefore, again under your definition, isn’t human?

But a premature baby born at 30 weeks or 32 weeks, but doesn’t require an incubator or other assistance is a human?

What you are still dancing around is, what about those full term babies who are born and are jaundiced – who need extra medical care and effort? Are those also ‘not human’ because of the need for incubation or other treatment – and therefore can be disposed of at will without risk of a murder charge for committing infanticide?

You have a very selective definition of when one is ‘human’ – a definition apparently carefully calculated to fit / support your argument…

…building a ‘case’ to fit one’s preconceived conclusion while ignoring science that doesn’t fit that preconceived conclusion. Quite selective in responding too, it seems. Typical.

Athos on August 3, 2015 at 7:52 PM

Three simple questions – they even have question marks at the end of them. Yet, the only response you offered was to lie and troll over the very first sentence. Distracted while savoring the smells from the concentration camp crematorium?

For humans, “organism” is a threshold reached at some point in late pregnancy when an otherwise undamaged fetus could be removed from the mother and survive with no more care than a healthy full term baby (“true viability”). The organism qualifier is not rescinded by later damage or birth defects to an organism excepting death.

Tiaioc on August 3, 2015 at 9:00 PM

Now is this the 4th or 5th revision? And isn’t ‘at some point’ rather arbitrary?

That makes it seem to be something you’ve tossed in to continue to allow some ‘wiggle room’ as opposed to being about ‘science’. Just as your construct of ‘true viability’ as opposed to when medical professionals consider an unborn child viable (ie the child has a reasonable chance of survival) or the further condition that it should receive ‘no more care than a healthy full term baby’.

Basically, all you continue to offer are opinions that are formed on the basis of supporting your support for infanticide by claiming those being killed aren’t human… while observations and links like below are ignored…

Princeton:

Life Begins at Fertilization
The following references illustrate the fact that a new human embryo, the starting point for a human life, comes into existence with the formation of the one-celled zygote:

https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html

davidk on August 3, 2015 at 5:27 PM

Athos on August 3, 2015 at 10:12 PM

The most amusing part of all of this, is Tlaloc accusing rational adults of lying about Planned Parenthood, an organization that just got caught perpetrating a hate hoax.

Star Bird on August 3, 2015 at 10:16 PM

He’s a true Leftist: The end always justifies the means.

Augustinian on August 3, 2015 at 9:30 PM

He/she/it may or may not be. It could be on Huffpo at the same time posting on the evils of abortion and the glories of capitalism under a different handle. Seriously, I don’t know why some here give these folks any of their time.

—–

If a GOP candidate doesn’t take clips from Shrillary’s Killing Babies is Great on the Taxpayer’s Dime video above, and splice in some of the footage of PP types talking about selling baby parts, then they must be just plain dumb, in on an electoral fix of some kind, or possibly afraid of being Arkancided.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 3, 2015 at 10:17 PM

Athos on August 3, 2015 at 10:12 PM

Another definition that mirrors davidk’s and equally ignored earlier:

From “The Developing Human, Clinically Oriented Embryology”, a standard medical textbook, now in the 10th edition having been in use for over 30 years:

Chapter 1, Introduction, Developmental Terms and Concepts, page 1,

Zygote. This cell results from fertilization of an oocyte by sperm and is the beginning of a human being.

Italics in original, don’t have a link, but the book is still in print.

F X Muldoon on August 3, 2015 at 10:19 PM

I thought that was parlortricks AKA DropzADime or whatever.

F X Muldoon on August 3, 2015 at 9:50 PM

Yes, pollytrixie and cool repube all claim the Sanctimonious Black mantle as well. Who else? Libfree, I guess.

As far as Tlaloc? He got seriously irritated one night and claimed to show us middle aged white poopieheads”he had a LIFE” by letting us view the instagram account of one deputydawgz or some such.

It was numerous pix of an unattractive 30ish black guy with his 30ish black friends mostly wearing hats with slogans, as I recall. I remember thinking he must be a hell of a dad to not have any pictures of his kids, but what do I know? I’m white.

He has since denied he’s black, but whether that is because he dislikes the appellation and prefers Aferkin’Murican, or whether he’s just a lying sack of joo-ee-ah, I know not.

Dolce Far Niente on August 3, 2015 at 10:20 PM

Dolce Far Niente on August 3, 2015 at 10:20 PM

everdiso/lester as well. You should have seen him on that cop thread a week ago. The white hate was white-hot. I did my best to get him to drop the mask and go full-retard.

Judge_Dredd on August 3, 2015 at 10:24 PM

He has since denied he’s black, but whether that is because he dislikes the appellation and prefers Aferkin’Murican, or whether he’s just a lying sack of joo-ee-ah, I know not.

Dolce Far Niente on August 3, 2015 at 10:20 PM

That was politricks.

tlaloc’s a 40 year old pudgy, pasty white guy. Likely balding with a goatee. By his own admission he’s spent his entire adult life pursuing degree’s in the echo-chamber of liberal academia…in the echo-chamber of lily-white liberal Oregon. Most likely just a teachers assistant at the community college or tech support at Staples. Requires other men to subsidize his families insurance cause he can’t hold down a real job. But yeah, he is a lying sack of shit as well.

HumpBot Salvation on August 3, 2015 at 10:28 PM

That was politricks.

HumpBot Salvation on August 3, 2015 at 10:28 PM

Are you sure? I coulda sworn…

Who’s got a link to that thread with the Instagram account?

Dolce Far Niente on August 3, 2015 at 10:32 PM

As far as Tlaloc? He got seriously irritated one night and claimed to show us middle aged white poopieheads”he had a LIFE” by letting us view the instagram account of one deputydawgz or some such.

This is why there needs to be a troll scorecard, here it is – had to take a couple stabs at the spelling in of DiggzDime in the search box at the top.

DiggzDime is my social media name. Feel free to follow me on all those aforementioned sites!

Politricks on June 27, 2014 at 12:11 PM

I can’t remember if libfree is supposed to be an angry black guy fake professor, or angry black female fake professor, and who the hell is the fake Harvard law grad.

F X Muldoon on August 3, 2015 at 10:35 PM

Dang, I have to hang my head about confusing Tlaloc with politrix. All those people stupid, angry progs all look the same to me.

I can’t remember if libfree is supposed to be an angry black guy fake professor, or angry black female fake professor, and who the hell is the fake Harvard law grad.

F X Muldoon on August 3, 2015 at 10:35 PM

libbie is black GAY angry fake professor, so he could technically fit in either category (he makes a fabulous meatloaf, his husband says).

Harvard Law grad is nonpartisan.

Dolce Far Niente on August 3, 2015 at 10:44 PM

He has since denied he’s black, but whether that is because he dislikes the appellation and prefers Aferkin’Murican, or whether he’s just a lying sack of joo-ee-ah, I know not.

Dolce Far Niente on August 3, 2015 at 10:20 PM

Since you seem so interested in these details, I am claiming to be an Australian aborigine tonight. Tomorrow I will be the Queen of Siam.

But really, do you consider your petty gossip a good use of your time?

thuja on August 3, 2015 at 10:46 PM

I can’t remember if libfree is supposed to be an angry black guy fake professor, or angry black female fake professor, and who the hell is the fake Harvard law grad.

F X Muldoon on August 3, 2015 at 10:35 PM

libby, jc protester/professor, whatever in CO…gay black. Nonpartisan= pajama clad white boy, cocoa sipping pansy who can’t get a date and whose only connection to Harvard is reading old issues of the Lampoon.

arnold ziffel on August 3, 2015 at 10:49 PM

page 6?

Tlaloc, I asked you for Hillary’s Qualifications to be President. You meekly responded by editing the question I asked you, and then by frantically moving the goalposts from “Qualifications” to “Requirements”.

F-

If you had any functional sensory apparatus anywhere, you would know that every Presidential candidate has been grilled on what makes them qualified (not eligible) to run.

You’re a Slow Fellow, so I’ll be patient.

A question for you:

What are Hillary! Clinton’s lifetime achievements that make her a possibility to be a half-vast President.?

And a parting question…list for us every single bill she tried to get passed as a Senator from a state she had never lived in, a state
that is now so desperate they are waiving tax payments for decades to come, just to bring in capitalism?

F-

Del Dolemonte on August 3, 2015 at 10:50 PM

But really, do you consider your petty gossip a good use of your time?

thuja on August 3, 2015 at 10:46 PM

Hard to follow along without a program, my coniferous friend. And Siam no longer exists. Like Yugoslavia or Correa.

Judge_Dredd on August 3, 2015 at 10:50 PM

Since you seem so interested in these details, I am claiming to be an Australian aborigine tonight. Tomorrow I will be the Queen of Siam.

But really, do you consider your petty gossip a good use of your time?

thuja on August 3, 2015 at 10:46 PM

Hardly surprising I must say. After all, you also refer to your mental dysfunction of same-sex attraction as “normal”. Objective reality is always negotiable with liberal/progressives….

Augustinian on August 3, 2015 at 10:52 PM

Funny my degrees would tend to dispute that.

Tlaloc on August 3, 2015 at 8:30 PM

What are your “Degrees” in, and from which schools?

Del Dolemonte on August 3, 2015 at 10:54 PM

thuja on August 3, 2015 at 10:46 PM

Hardly surprising I must say. After all, you also refer to your mental dysfunction of same-sex attraction as “normal”. Objective reality is always negotiable with liberal/progressives….

Augustinian on August 3, 2015 at 10:52 PM

Wait. thuja’s gay? I thought that was buttchemist19?

CHUDI!!!

Judge_Dredd on August 3, 2015 at 10:54 PM

Dolce Far Niente on August 3, 2015 at 10:44 PM

Toda raba.

Judge_Dredd on August 3, 2015 at 10:54 PM

See ? I told you there needs to be a scorecard.

F X Muldoon on August 3, 2015 at 11:03 PM

Wait. thuja’s gay? I thought that was buttchemist19?

CHUDI!!!

Judge_Dredd on August 3, 2015 at 10:54 PM

So rather than debate abortion now. Let me tell you where I am at in life to provide some context to my views. I am a gay environmentalist who happens to be pro-economic freedom and a supporter of John Bolton and Dick Cheney’s foreign policy ideas. On gay issues, I am now officially a homophobe, because I think that now that gay marriage is the law, gay political organizing should cease. I oppose every further effort of the gay activists. In particular, I oppose all non-discrimination laws.
I support abortion for environmental reasons. So many species are going extinct because we are taking the environment in which they live. But I also support abortion for the deeply conservative reason that I oppose single motherhood. I accept there will be divorce and some men are evil and the children will have to be raised by just their mothers, but outside of that I want children in a family. I oppose adoption by non-married people. [This still always gay people to adopt but only the ones able to provide a family structure to the child.]
How much guilt are willing to assign the pro-life movement for the breakdown of the family? It is fair to say that the pro-life movement values not having an abortion over the family.

thuja on August 3, 2015 at 7:51 PM

Augustinian on August 3, 2015 at 11:06 PM

thuja on August 3, 2015 at 7:51 PM

Augustinian on August 3, 2015 at 11:06 PM

Is all of this true, thuja, or did you get into pothead’s stash?

Judge_Dredd on August 3, 2015 at 11:13 PM

Since you seem so interested in these details, I am claiming to be an Australian aborigine tonight. Tomorrow I will be the Queen of Siam.

But really, do you consider your petty gossip a good use of your time?

thuja on August 3, 2015 at 10:46 PM

Hardly surprising I must say. After all, you also refer to your mental dysfunction of same-sex attraction as “normal”. Objective reality is always negotiable with liberal/progressives….

Augustinian on August 3, 2015 at 10:52 PM

Good luck with your hateful homophobia. Know that I support your right to have hateful views, because I believe in freedom of thought. And to be clear, the last statement is complete sincere.

thuja on August 3, 2015 at 11:20 PM

Good luck with your hateful homophobia.
thuja on August 3, 2015 at 11:20 PM

That implies fear. There’s no “fear” involved. Disgust is the correct term.

Judge_Dredd on August 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM

Hardly surprising I must say. After all, you also refer to your mental dysfunction of same-sex attraction as “normal”. Objective reality is always negotiable with liberal/progressives….
Augustinian on August 3, 2015 at 10:52 PM

I probably shouldn’t reply twice. But I actually told you my beliefs, and it is not honest for you to state I’m liberal/progresive. As far as I know, the only way I don’t support the established Conservative paradigm is on abortion and some associated ecological issues. Why do you say things aren’t true?

thuja on August 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM

thuja on August 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM

I never thought you were a liberal. But I didn’t know you were gay either. And we agree on abortion but for different reasons. And abortion for parts is pure evil. As is partial birth abortion.

Judge_Dredd on August 3, 2015 at 11:27 PM

Good luck with your hateful homophobia. Know that I support your right to have hateful views, because I believe in freedom of thought. And to be clear, the last statement is complete sincere.

thuja on August 3, 2015 at 11:20 PM

I don’t hate you for your mental dysfunction – I pity you for it.

Learn the difference my friend.

And my freedom of thought does no require your support – because that right is inherent.

Learn the difference my friend.

And to be clear, all of these statements are completely sincere.

Augustinian on August 3, 2015 at 11:28 PM

I probably shouldn’t reply twice. But I actually told you my beliefs, and it is not honest for you to state I’m liberal/progresive. As far as I know, the only way I don’t support the established Conservative paradigm is on abortion and some associated ecological issues. Why do you say things aren’t true?

thuja on August 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM

Homosexuality and all of it’s societal facets are completely antithetical to conservative moral values.

You may be a lot of things – but conservative is not one of them.

Augustinian on August 3, 2015 at 11:31 PM

But really, do you consider your petty gossip a good use of your time?

thuja on August 3, 2015 at 10:46 PM

Aw- tummy upset after your crunchy-baby-meat sammiches?

Its inconsequential if you decide to identify as a gay Abo knife-swallower today or an Irish Amish telephone repairman tomorrow… your real identity is “monster”.

Dolce Far Niente on August 3, 2015 at 11:31 PM

F-

Del Dolemonte on August 3, 2015 at 10:50 PM

Dude, that was so Aug 1 1/2.

arnold ziffel on August 3, 2015 at 11:32 PM

My friend is a liberal pro abortion advocate and wants to start a family,when she starts to show I’m going to tell her
Your Clump of TISSUE is making you Fat since she believes its not a baby until its born.
New term for pregnant liberals
YOUR CLUMPING!!!
Hollywood liberals will be “Clump Bump” baby bump is offensive
and degrading

IXXINY on August 4, 2015 at 12:04 AM

Because planned families are much more likely to be happy families. Contra to your assertion that’s the whole point of PP.

Tlaloc on August 3, 2015

#unplannedparenthood

bmmg39 on August 4, 2015 at 12:13 AM

New Democratic term for abortion “UNCOUPLING”

IXXINY on August 4, 2015 at 12:16 AM

Is Hillary really this evil or is she just ignorant of what Planned Parenthood really does and stands for?

Either way she shouldn’t be anywhere near a position of leadership in this country.

Sterling Holobyte on August 4, 2015 at 12:22 AM

Planned Parenthood lobbied congress to ban
Chinese prisoner organ harvesting so they could have the monopoly in the US Market.

IXXINY on August 4, 2015 at 12:27 AM

I can’t remember if libfree is supposed to be an angry black guy fake professor, or angry black female fake professor, and who the hell is the fake Harvard law grad.

F X Muldoon on August 3, 2015 at 10:35 PM

libby, jc protester/professor, whatever in CO…gay black. Nonpartisan= pajama clad white boy, cocoa sipping pansy who can’t get a date and whose only connection to Harvard is reading old issues of the Lampoon.

arnold ziffel on August 3, 2015 at 10:49 PM

LOL that’s some Hot Gas Comedy Gold right there!

Kenosha Kid on August 4, 2015 at 1:38 AM

If Jeffrey Dahmer were alive today he would probably be the Head Chef of the Planned Parenthood Cafeteria
Could you just imagine JD as a Planned Parenthood Executive at one of those luncheons negotiating the cost of liver?
Forget the Lamborghini !!
Jeffrey Dahmer Author of “Cooking with PP”, the NYT would declare it the Progressive weight loss Best Seller of the year
Lose 10 pounds in 10 minutes,
The Forward would be written by Hillary
” IV tried every diet known to women and “Cooking with PP” worked so well I can’t see my Cankels ANYMORE!!

IXXINY on August 4, 2015 at 2:33 AM

I’ve read this entire thread and I think that Tlaloc’s position can be summed as this:

A human is:
(1) Full-term (40 weeks).
(2) Has no developmental issues (i.e. problems at birth that require external intervention for life).
(3) Does not rely on it’s mother or others to provide sustenance for living.

So, the following would not be human:
(1) A 39 week old “fetus” that has jaundice, underdeveloped lungs, spina bifida, etc.
(2) An adult or child that is discovered with a congenital disease: heart defects, Cerebral Palsy, horseshoe kidney, Type 1 diabetes.
(3) Anyone with severe Down Syndrome, people with Alzheimers, elderly people that can no longer take care of themselves.
(4) All infants. They are just as reliant on their mother outside the womb as they are on the inside. After all, if mom doesn’t provide food or protection from the elements, they would be unable to survive.

So all infants are open game for an abortion. After all, they can’t survive without someone providing nourishment and protection from the elements. Take out the knitting needles a give them a few strong jabs to their soft skulls. And let’s not forget cousin Billy who has been diagnosed with a ventricular septal defect or the next door neighbor with Cerebral Palsy or Grandma and her dementia. Go ahead a break out a tack hammer and perform a _really_ late term abortion. They’re not human after all.

I have to admit that the best part of this entire thread has been seeing Tlaloc twist and turn so much to support PP that he comes off looking like a psychopath. I mean seriously, he goes to such extremes that 90%+ people in this country would be repelled by his position. I’ve never even heard the most stringent late-term abortion proponent advocating some of the things that he does. That’s not to say there are others like him (Obama voted to allow aborted children that were born alive to be murdered), but aside from other psychopaths he is in a league of his own.

ReaganWasRight on August 4, 2015 at 4:39 AM

That’s right, keep up the defense for the wholesale slaughter of human flesh then pray to hell their is no God . . . it’s the simple.

rplat on August 4, 2015 at 7:15 AM

I’ve read this entire thread and I think that Tlaloc’s position can be summed as this:
 
ReaganWasRight on August 4, 2015 at 4:39 AM

 
You’re overthinking it.
 
He doesn’t care. It doesn’t matter. The more the better, honestly. Is the sky blue? Nope, it’s red. No, that’s your interpretation. No, you’re delusional because it’s clearly red. And raining. Piglets. With little pink bows around their necks. In the red sky. It’s right there. You’re denying that? Morons.

 
The topic or debate doesn’t matter one single bit. Read any of the multi-page threads he’s directly responsible for. He’s ONLY here to be condescending, irritate you, and lie about whatever he needs to in order to accomplish it. He’ll argue for two pages over what is or isn’t on a website after reading direct and bolded quotes from the website.
 
He’s a true believer, but he’s just trolling here.

rogerb on August 4, 2015 at 7:16 AM

Since you seem so interested in these details, I am claiming to be an Australian aborigine tonight. Tomorrow I will be the Queen of Siam.

But really, do you consider your petty gossip a good use of your time?

thuja on August 3, 2015 at 10:46 PM

Aren’t you the one that claimed to be a physician?
And then quickly scurried off when someone said that it is illegal to impersonate a physician.
Hilarious.

justltl on August 4, 2015 at 7:21 AM

And then there’s someone else around who has some half-assed physics degree who spouts some of the most asinine medical opinions that I’ve heard in quite some time.

A good rule of thumb for trolls is to stick to an area of which you have some decent working knowledge. Otherwise you sound like an a$$.

justltl on August 4, 2015 at 7:31 AM

Actually, if I could, I would delete those last two comments.
I’m pretty sure that I’ve never personally insulted or disparaged anyone on here and would like to keep it that way.
My sincere apologies.

justltl on August 4, 2015 at 7:39 AM

Since you seem so interested in these details, I am claiming to be an Australian aborigine tonight. Tomorrow I will be the Queen of Siam.

thuja on August 3, 2015 at 10:46 PM

I’ll take your word for it, but the detail I am really interested in is whether you agree with Tlaloc that closing down every NICU in the country and “parting out” all the patients at a profit for medical research would constitute a form of “healthcare reform” that you’d be cool with.

GrumpyOldFart on August 4, 2015 at 8:39 AM

I used to be a pro abortion guy and until I saw those ultra sound images and read in the Word that the Lord knows us before we even enter the womb it changed my mind 180 degrees. Now I am an the most strongest supporter of pro life. Until a pro abortion person is convicted of sin its probably rare that a person will change his/her position on abortion. Tialoc is so gun sure that there is no God that he blindly is confident that he doesn’t fear any consequences at the end of his life.

garydt on August 4, 2015 at 9:01 AM

Hillary will regret her stand for planned butchery. The rest of the videos will be released or leaked. Further, MORE will be made.

Murdering live infants to sell their bodies for profit is criminal, evil and horrific.

hawkdriver on August 3, 2015 at 9:33 PM

Degrees are inanimate and may dispute nothing. Only a truly uneducated person would write something like that.

Based on all I’ve read of that one, I suspect a young troll and nothing more.

dogsoldier on August 4, 2015 at 9:07 AM

Sterling Holobyte on August 4, 2015 at 12:22 AM

They gave her a boatload of cash, so… EVIL

dogsoldier on August 4, 2015 at 9:10 AM

The worst thing is that the media doesn’t care about Hillary’s views ob butchery

garydt on August 4, 2015 at 9:16 AM

The worst thing is that the media doesn’t care about Hillary’s views ob butchery

garydt on August 4, 2015 at 9:16 AM

Not so. If that were true, she wouldn’t have had to apologize for failing to be full-throated enough in support of it.

GrumpyOldFart on August 4, 2015 at 9:42 AM

GrumpyOldFart on August 4, 2015 at 9:42 AM

Yup, and that will backfire.

dogsoldier on August 4, 2015 at 9:55 AM

I’d be surprised if there weren’t some in the HRC campaign camp that don’t fully welcome all of this.
Repubs have consistently fallen on their face with this line of attack. However unfair the Dems’ war on women’ line might be, the GOP must realize that by forcing this a centerpiece of the 2016 race, they’re inviting their Todd Atkins types to make some more unhelpful noise.
Of course HRC is going to play this as full throated support for ‘women’s health” – and of course Walker, Bush, etc. are going to play hard to the bloody signs crowd.
Rand Paul is only guy I’ve heard in all of this who seems to acknowledge that regardless of his personal thoughts, this is a complicated issue that will never be resolved by angrily and fully dismissing other folks’ views and ideas.

verbaluce on August 4, 2015 at 10:28 AM

Of course HRC is going to play this as full throated support for the bloody hands crowd – and of course Walker, Bush, etc. are going to play hard for the pro-life crowd.

verbaluce on August 4, 2015 at 10:28 AM

Fixed it for you, you disgusting piece of shit.

HumpBot Salvation on August 4, 2015 at 10:34 AM

Of course HRC is going to play this as full throated support for the bloody signs crowd – and of course Walker, Bush, etc. are going to play hard for the pro-life crowd.

verbaluce on August 4, 2015 at 10:28 AM

Fixed it for you, you disgusting piece of shit.

HumpBot Salvation on August 4, 2015 at 10:34 AM

Sorry you took that so personally.
I was speaking of the pointless rancor that simply amplifies the noise.
You know…like calling someone a “disgusting piece of sh*t”.

verbaluce on August 4, 2015 at 10:52 AM

Sorry you took that so personally.
I was speaking of the pointless rancor that simply amplifies the noise.
You know…like calling someone a “disgusting piece of sh*t”.

verbaluce on August 4, 2015 at 10:52 AM

LOL, you’re such a clueless little [email protected]

No, you disgusting piece of shit…framing someones objections to abortion as “the bloody sign waving crowd” amplifies the noise. And that’s not the first time you’ve done it.

So now, go fukk yourself..you piece of shit.

HumpBot Salvation on August 4, 2015 at 11:02 AM

Sorry you took that so personally.
I was speaking of the pointless rancor that simply amplifies the noise.
You know…like calling someone a “disgusting piece of sh*t”.

verbaluce on August 4, 2015 at 10:52 AM

Oh and btw scumbag..your heroes are now attempting to sell intact fetuses..you better hit that thread and try to rationalize away that.

HumpBot Salvation on August 4, 2015 at 11:06 AM

Hillary is an abortion.

dockywocky on August 4, 2015 at 11:18 AM

Answer the question, are they looking for human tissue mass or human organs?

Neitherleftorright on August 3, 2015 at 5:02 PM

*facepalm*

Human organs are masses of tissue.

Tlaloc on August 3, 2015 at 5:31 PM

Using your definition, humans are masses of tissue, therefore nobody is truly human, just amorphous masses of tissue. So we should all be able to kill anybody anytime we want to if they are a bother or impediment to our lifestyle.

You have nothing to stand on other than your demented belief that killing is good.

Your arguments are infantile and puerile and your change your “scientific” definitions at will. You believe in scientism, but definitely not science.

Neitherleftorright on August 4, 2015 at 11:22 AM

Rand Paul is only guy I’ve heard in all of this who seems to acknowledge that regardless of his personal thoughts, this is a complicated issue that will never be resolved by angrily and fully dismissing other folks’ views and ideas.

verbaluce on August 4, 2015 at 10:28 AM

Can you give me instances of other announced GOP candidates “angrily and fully dismissing other folks’ views and ideas.”

Are you postulating that there is no anger and full dismissal of “other folks’ views and ideas” from the Dem side?

Neitherleftorright on August 4, 2015 at 11:28 AM

No, you disgusting piece of shit…framing someones objections to abortion as “the bloody sign waving crowd” amplifies the noise. And that’s not the first time you’ve done it.

So now, go fukk yourself..you piece of shit.

HumpBot Salvation on August 4, 2015 at 11:02 AM

Ok…fair point.
(The latter part.)
But I wasn’t intending to do doing that. What I was trying to illustrate was when you have one side screaming ‘murderers!’ and the other shouting ‘war on women!’ – then you shouldn’t expect much can be accomplished.
But if anyone guilty of either thinks I’m objecting to their language and the behavior, they are correct.

verbaluce on August 4, 2015 at 11:58 AM

they’re inviting their Todd Atkins types to make some more unhelpful noise.

verbaluce on August 4, 2015 at 10:28 AM

The pro-abortion side is going to need to move the debate all the way back to “in the event of rape” because, right now, the centrists are seeing women being sold off for their body parts. That’s not exactly good for their health.

blink on August 4, 2015 at 11:16 AM

I don’t feel that’s totally accurate, but I’m not going to quibble with your general point that there are ‘centrists’ who are indeed unsettled by the narrative here – and they may indeed be re-thinking their support of PP (if not, necessarily, abortion rights.)

verbaluce on August 4, 2015 at 12:03 PM

verbaluce,

Are you ok pulling a live baby from the womb and killing it?

blink on August 4, 2015 at 11:17 AM

No.

Are you ok with killing a woman who is 7 months pregnant so that her baby survives?
8 months? 6? 2?

verbaluce on August 4, 2015 at 12:06 PM

verbaluce,

Are you ok pulling a live baby from the womb and killing it?

blink on August 4, 2015 at 11:17 AM

No.

Are you ok with killing a woman who is 7 months pregnant so that her baby survives?
8 months? 6? 2?

verbaluce on August 4, 2015 at 12:06 PM

In what scenario is a woman killed in order to save her baby?

Augustinian on August 4, 2015 at 12:12 PM

verbaluce,
Are you ok pulling a live baby from the womb and killing it?
 
blink on August 4, 2015 at 11:17 AM

 
No.
 
Are you ok with killing a woman who is 7 months pregnant so that her baby survives?
8 months? 6? 2?
 
verbaluce on August 4, 2015 at 12:06 PM

 
In what scenario is a woman killed in order to save her baby?
 
Augustinian on August 4, 2015 at 12:12 PM

 
Wouldn’t the baby just be delivered in order to “save” the mother?

rogerb on August 4, 2015 at 1:38 PM

Wouldn’t the baby just be delivered in order to “save” the mother?

rogerb on August 4, 2015 at 1:38 PM

You would think so – yes.

Augustinian on August 4, 2015 at 1:43 PM

Are you ok with killing a woman who is 7 months pregnant so that her baby survives?
8 months? 6? 2?

verbaluce on August 4, 2015 at 12:06 PM

Would you trade away all the elective abortions in order to secure the ones in which the mother’s life hangs in the balance?

The Schaef on August 4, 2015 at 2:32 PM

So 1% rape/incest, 1% “life of the mother”, and 98% recreational?

rogerb on August 4, 2015 at 2:57 PM

Demacrat/Ghoulacrat
ghoul
ɡo͞ol/
noun
noun: ghoul; plural noun: ghouls

an evil spirit or phantom, especially one supposed to rob graves and feed on dead bodies.
a person morbidly interested in death or disaster.

IXXINY on August 4, 2015 at 7:49 PM

And another thread abandoned with refusal to answer questions. This is starting to get old.

The Schaef on August 4, 2015 at 9:19 PM

verbaluce,
Are you ok pulling a live baby from the womb and killing it?
 
blink on August 4, 2015 at 11:17 AM

 
No.
 
Are you ok with killing a woman who is 7 months pregnant so that her baby survives?
8 months? 6? 2?
 
verbaluce on August 4, 2015 at 12:06 PM

 
In what scenario is a woman killed in order to save her baby?
 
Augustinian on August 4, 2015 at 12:12 PM

 
Wouldn’t the baby just be delivered in order to “save” the mother?
 
rogerb on August 4, 2015 at 1:38 PM

 
I know the thread has been aborted to try to save the face of the original poster, but if a child must be killed during childbirth for some bizarre reason, is that considered an abortion or is there some other term since the mother wanted what turned out to be a baby growing inside of her?
 
Can abortion and childbirth exist simultaneously?

rogerb on August 5, 2015 at 11:52 AM

I have no doubt Hillary stands with PP, bet my pickup PP has gotten her out of an inconvenient jam a few times.

StevC on August 5, 2015 at 5:30 PM

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