Trump 1999 MTP interview on late-term abortions: old news?

posted at 9:21 am on July 9, 2015 by Ed Morrissey

When I first saw this clip after it made the rounds on social media last night, the first thought that came to mind was Donald Trump has been running for president for longer than I remembered. This exchange comes from an interview on Meet the Press with the late Tim Russert in October 1999, nearly sixteen years ago. Russert clearly put this question in the context of what Americans could expect from a President Trump on the key social issues of the last generation — gays in the military, same-sex marriage, and late-term abortion, a ban on which Bill Clinton vetoed. Trump demurred on the first two, claiming he didn’t have enough information, but on the third Trump took the prevailing Democratic line at the time.

However, this isn’t the end of the story, and its emergence now may simply be the emptying of old oppo ammunition to clear the barrels:

RUSSERT: Partial-birth abortion — the eliminating of abortion in the third trimester. Big issue in Washington. Would President Trump ban partial-birth abortion?

TRUMP: Well, look. I’m very pro-choice. I hate the concept of abortion. I hate it, I hate everything it stands for. I cringe when I hear people debating the subject. But you still — I just believe in choice. And again, it may be a little bit of a New York background, because there is some different attitude in different parts of the country, and I was raised in New York, grew up and worked and everything else in New York City. But I am strongly for choice, and yet I hate the concept of abortion.

RUSSERT: But you would not ban it.

TRUMP: No.

RUSSERT: Or ban partial-birth abortion.

TRUMP: No, I would — I would — I am pro-choice in every respect, as far as it goes. I just hate it.

Sounds bad, yes? Well, it certainly sounds familiar. This came up four years ago during Trump’s previous almost-run, too. Chris Matthews featured it on Hardball in April 2011:

The reason for Matthews to cover this was because Trump had publicly flipped in the twelve years between this interview and the 2011 primary prelims. Trump claimed to have had a pro-life conversion somewhere between 1999 and 2011, which Matthews wanted to paint as entirely cynical. When this emerged four years ago, Allahpundit noted Trump’s claim to conversion, and its parallel to Mitt Romney’s own conversion story. Laura Ingraham grilled Trump on the issue at that time too, but in the end there was little point, as Trump never actually ran for the nomination anyway. The GOP ended up trusting Romney’s commitment to the pro-life cause despite his earlier pro-choice stand in Massachusetts with little evidence that the trust was misplaced — on this issue, anyway. Besides, we like true conversion stories on abortion; the arc of public opinion since Roe v Wade shows that a lot of Americans have made that journey, including the woman at the center of Roe, Norma McCorvey.

This time around, Trump has taken no chances on the abortion issue. As far back as January of this year, Trump conducted interviews with news media to explain his opposition to abortion, a fact noted by LifeNews’ Steven Ertelt in January of this year, which shows Trump’s shrewd calculation about getting in front of what would certainly be a deal-breaker with the GOP. That’s especially true of late-term abortion, to which polls show broad opposition, usually in the 60% range. Support for late-term abortion is the extreme position, even among Democrats.

So what to make of this? It’ll probably get shrugged off in an asked-and-answered manner among Trump-friendly voters, but Trump will continue to emphasize his conversion on life issues, and for good reason. Unlike the 2012 cycle, the GOP has a number of credible contenders, most of whom have had consistent records against abortion, especially late-term abortion. Trump will have to work extra hard to convince Republican primary voters that he’s worth supporting in relation to a broader and more relevant field. If Trump can succeed at making the media’s rehashing of this the issue, then he might score a few points, but some may just decide that they’d prefer to avoid another northeastern Republican conversion story.

Update: Trump was busy in 1999, as it turns out. How many conversion stories can Republican voters buy?

Speaking with CNN host Larry King in 1999 when he was flirting with a run for president on the Reform Party ticket, Trump said he was “quite liberal” when it came to health care. …

Trump added believed in “universal health care.”

“If you can’t take care of your sick in the country, forget it, it’s all over. I mean, it’s no good. So I’m very liberal when it comes to health care,” he said. “I believe in universal health care. I believe in whatever it takes to make people well and better.”

Asked if he thought it was an entitlement, Trump affirmed he did indeed believe it was one from birth.

“I think it is. It’s an entitlement to this country, and too bad the world can’t be, you know, in this country. But the fact is, it’s an entitlement to this country if we’re going to have a great country.”

Romney didn’t go that far in Massachusetts.


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They’re bringing out the big guns, now that Trump is in first in the polls.

“Hmmmm, nothing seems to stick, how can we get those TruCons to stop liking him?

Wait a second, TruCons don’t like abortion, right?”

Redstone on July 9, 2015 at 9:27 AM

If Trump can succeed at making the media’s rehashing of this the issue, then he might score a few points, but some may just decide that they’d prefer to avoid another northeastern Republican conversion story.

I’d prefer to avoid electing a President who has been bought and paid for by the CoC.

lineholder on July 9, 2015 at 9:29 AM

LoL

Trump.

jaime on July 9, 2015 at 9:29 AM

Honey badger don’t care. Let him keep bringing up uncomfortable issues. I’m enjoying the scramble.

rhombus on July 9, 2015 at 9:29 AM

Don’t you know the rabble here, Mr Morrissey, is just going to accuse you of doing the GOPe’s bidding?

It would have been easier for Trump to have gone ultra-left and take on Hillary instead of acting the other way. I mean it would be so much more believable. But maybe their base is less conned.

Marcus on July 9, 2015 at 9:30 AM

Am I detecting an oxygen shortage? How come Jeb’s face is blue?

butch on July 9, 2015 at 9:30 AM

Severely conservative

thebrokenrattle on July 9, 2015 at 9:30 AM

I’m not sure how many folks want Trump to ultimately become President, I don’t know for myself whether I really want to see him win… but I do know that I would love to see him at least knock out the amnesty crowd from the Republican field and I am totally on board the message he is putting out there on border insecurity. He is hit a chord with the public and this should put all traitors to our country on notice.

Immigration is too important an issue at this point, I may not agree with his abortion position but quite frankly his position on abortion won’t fragment this country – Jeb and Rubio’s position on amnesty is something that would fragment this country and is at the very least weakening it.

As for healthcare… well if he doesn’t see the damage putting it into place has done, then I’m sure that’ll help kill him winning the nomination in the end. But come on, let’s at least enjoy the ride of Trump rocking the Republican party’s poorly thought out tightrope walking of pandering to hispanics.

So for the tl/dr crowd – everyone has skeletons in their closet but that doesn’t invalidate his message.

Ukiah on July 9, 2015 at 9:31 AM

….AND he would have kept his NBC Prime Time Family Hour show!

Marcus on July 9, 2015 at 9:31 AM

I’m not sure what Trump’s end goal is in this race but if it is to teach the others how to have a spine and stand up the the lib media and SJW tyrants, he’s doing a great job of it so far.

batter on July 9, 2015 at 9:31 AM

Look, if we don’t get the upper hand in immigration, none of this shite matters. Dems will have one party rule, and Kermit Gosnell will be recast as Marcus Welby.

For 2016, immigration is the only issue that matters.

BuckeyeSam on July 9, 2015 at 9:31 AM

Marcus on July 9, 2015 at 9:30 AM

The CoC will sell out legal Americans in a heartbeat and don’t support socially Conservative issues anyway, remember? They’re always telling SoCons to “shut up” etc., etc.

lineholder on July 9, 2015 at 9:33 AM

LOL…so predictable. Let’s not talk about Sanctuary cities.

d1carter on July 9, 2015 at 9:34 AM

GOPe talking points parroted here.

How about a discussion on ILLEGAL immigrants and the damage they are doing to this country?

Cant’s have that though! In stead, let’s attack the only person willing to speak the truth..dig in to 16 year old interviews..etc.

Pretty sad to see this here.

celt on July 9, 2015 at 9:35 AM

Abortion is the matter that should be governed by the Tenth Amendment. Technically, any state can legalize murder or rape – citizens are much unlikely to get excited over it, but yes it’s possible – so legalizing abortion is within the realm of possibility. Whereas legalizing abortion through a partisan cabal of lawgivers-in-black is an outrage. The conclusion is, I can vote for a politician who supports abortion or gayrriage but also the right of individual states to ban either. I will, however, NOT vote for a politician who believes in federal right to trample over states’ rights.

Rix on July 9, 2015 at 9:36 AM

As for healthcare… well if he doesn’t see the damage putting it into place has done, then I’m sure that’ll help kill him winning the nomination in the end. But come on, let’s at least enjoy the ride of Trump rocking the Republican party’s poorly thought out tightrope walking of pandering to hispanics.

Ukiah on July 9, 2015 at 9:31 AM

I’d prefer to avoid electing a President who has been bought and paid for by the CoC.

lineholder on July 9, 2015 at 9:29 AM

Well said. If he can wipe out the crony wing of the party and show everyone how to stand up to the left, he will be a huge asset.

batter on July 9, 2015 at 9:36 AM

It would have been easier for Trump to have gone ultra-left and take on Hillary instead of acting the other way. I mean it would be so much more believable. But maybe their base is less conned.

Marcus on July 9, 2015 at 9:30 AM

hahaha is that the hope and change “base” you are referring to?

rhombus on July 9, 2015 at 9:37 AM

Honestly I don’t really care that much at this point. Do I honestly think Bush is going to be better on the pro-life issue? No. Do I really believe Trump is converted to pro-life? Maybe not, but he does seem to know which side his bread is buttered on, so he’s much more likely to at least hold the line on abortion and other conservative initiatives.

I love how HA is suddenly switching tactics too. Suddenly concerned that Trump might not REALLY be conservative after all. Yeah, sure you are. What you’re really concerned about is Trump trouncing all your RINOs, especially Jeb the loser. The problem you’re going to have is that your readership isn’t a bunch of mindless idiots (for the most part) like what you find on your average lefty blog. These tactics won’t work.

Paperclips on July 9, 2015 at 9:39 AM

Yup, Trump is a self-obsessed lefty. So, the conclusion is I should vote for Republicans who are further left? Bringing up universal health care (actually implemented it) and abortion (flip-flopped at least twice) when the Republican nominee last time was Romney is particularly silly.

Fenris on July 9, 2015 at 9:39 AM

Actually not even that bad, he didn’t say that he liked abortions.

Trump is a charlatan and opportunist, no one considers him a lifelong “TruCon” although some of the denser GOPe types seem to feel that that is his appeal.

His appeal is that he tells the truth on immigration and a few other issues, attacks Jeb!, and that the useless and destructive GOP establishment hates him.

Redstone on July 9, 2015 at 9:40 AM

On the Issues:

Donald Trump 2016: 7 Key Political Positions of GOP Presidential Hopeful

By Alana Marie Burke
Wednesday, 24 Dec 2014 12:59 PM
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7. Social issues: When it comes to gay marriage, Trump acknowledges that values are evolving on the issue but still believes that marriage is between and man and a woman.

He has flip-flopped on the issue of abortion.

For example, in “The America We Deserve” he wrote, “I support a woman’s right to choose but I am uncomfortable with the procedures.” Currently he describes his views as pro-life and credits a life-changing event that happened to a friend for the change.

http://www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/donald-trump-2016-key-political/2014/12/24/id/614808/
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canopfor on July 9, 2015 at 9:41 AM

In all fairness: Trump’s pro-life conversion story is more legitimate than Romney’s. Romney was actually out saying abortion was, at least in certain circumstances, acceptable. Trump’s position in 1999 was that he “hates” abortion but still felt it should be legal because of the number of people who supported it, especially in his state of NY.

You can disagree with the position, but it was one that was widely held and it’s one where a change of heart is believable, especially after all the damaging stories that have come out in the past decade or so about the abortion industry.

Outlander on July 9, 2015 at 9:42 AM

Trump’s near zero credibility on any issue in the campaign should be evident with this clip. Even the bloody shirt he’s waving on immigration is a crock of crap. Let’s see this weasel do an E-Verify audit on all his businesses and find out how much cash he’s sending south of the border.

KingGold on July 9, 2015 at 9:42 AM

It is no secret that Trump is very liberal …

Michelle Malkin: Donald Trump Is a Big Government Fraudster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoZT30v__ho

Donald Trump to Michelle Malkin: “You were born stupid!”

http://www.salon.com/2013/03/22/donald_trump_to_michelle_malkin_you_were_born_stupid/

There are several issues on which Trump is right, but that does not make him right for the presidency. It is highly unlikely that Trump will be the nominee – and perhaps that is not really his goal – but he is doing Republicans a big favor forcing debate on immigration out into the daylight. But, as should always be the case with any candidate, voters should do their homework.

Pork-Chop on July 9, 2015 at 9:44 AM

Trump on the Issues………………..2012:
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2012 Republican Presidential Candidate
Business Magnate

Donald Trump

Presidential Candidate Donald Trump

Trump on Abortion
*****************

• Donald Trump is pro life.

• Although Trump opposes abortion he respects the rights of women to make their own choices.

• The only abortion procedure Trump feels should be banned is partial birth abortion.

http://2012.presidential-candidates.org/Trump/Issues.php

canopfor on July 9, 2015 at 9:46 AM

Hot Air: Spending tooooooo much time on politics and ignoring all the other news going on in the world.

albill on July 9, 2015 at 9:47 AM

OT: At the current rate of donations, the Klein Family ContinueToSupport fund will exceed a quarter million today.

hawkdriver on July 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM

OT: Scroll down for the Hillary video (30 seconds).

http://twitchy.com/2015/07/08/this-is-awkward-hillary-clintons-attempt-to-slam-gop-on-immigration-with-lie-crushed-with-one-flashback-video/

Hey, I will vote for anyone with a position like hers.

BuckeyeSam on July 9, 2015 at 9:51 AM

Hot Air: Spending tooooooo much time on politics and ignoring all the other news going on in the world.

albill on July 9, 2015 at 9:47 AM

Pop Star scum Ariana Grande said “I hate Americans. I hate America.”

Then she issued some nonsensical incoherent apology.

jaime on July 9, 2015 at 9:51 AM

The elite got the “scours” nation wide and bad cases of it.

They must be changing under ware 10 times a day now.

The fear they show, the total abject run from a fight, the back shooting of the leader who says charge and win, they now show the skunk stink to themselves.

Smell it cowards, the smell of a low class coward.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on July 9, 2015 at 9:52 AM

• Donald Trump is pro life.

• Although Trump opposes abortion he respects the rights of women to make their own choices.

canopfor on July 9, 2015 at 9:46 AM

I always find it ridiculous and sad when someone claims to be “pro-life”, and yet they follow that up with “women should be free to choose”. No one who thinks that women should be free to murder their children can all themselves “pro-LIFE”.

Perhaps Trump will restate/redefine his position on abortion (again), but, it is unlikely that he will ever be pro-LIFE.

Pork-Chop on July 9, 2015 at 9:53 AM

How about a discussion on ILLEGAL immigrants and the damage they are doing to this country?

Cant’s have that though! In stead, let’s attack the only person willing to speak the truth..dig in to 16 year old interviews..etc.

Pretty sad to see this here.

celt on July 9, 2015 at 9:35 AM

If Trump wants to push that issue, he needs message discipline. I like that he attacks China for using currency manipulation to steal American jobs. I like that he highlights the harm illegal immigration causes and the need to secure the border. But there’s a right way and a wrong way to have that conversation. He can’t imply that most people crossing the border illegally are drug dealers or rapists–that paints with far too broad a brush and gives the other side ample ammunition to attack him as a racist.

Outlander on July 9, 2015 at 9:53 AM

Romney didn’t go that far in Massachusetts.

He went farther Next Hill. He got Bush to ignore the huge Medicaid contribution his state relied on to fund Romneycare. It was totally unworkable as a national facet yet the dems got to run on that concept as being a model for the nation with the guy that got it done in Mass. as the candidate to run against.

Most of us conservatives are basically left with two final issues to cling to with our guns and God. Sovereignty and fiscal responsibility. That Town Hall wants to side with the US Chamber of Commerce re: immigration is a sad shame.

DanMan on July 9, 2015 at 9:54 AM

The GOP uses social conservatives to win elections then gives them absolutely nothing, on the national pro-life day march in Washington, Renee “Bug Eyes” Ellmers decided to torpedo a largely symbolic bill against late term abortion.

Rubio and candidates like him are funded and controlled by almost entirely socially liberal donors.

Romney was fervently pro-abortion in 94.

So, Trump is really just fitting in with this, it’s not like he’s from the Bible Belt.

Redstone on July 9, 2015 at 9:54 AM

I find it rich that RINOs attack Trump for this when they had no issues with Romney essentially being guilty for the same thing.

I personally support Cruz and find Trump too far left for my taste. But the irony of the faux RINO outrage over Trump makes him an attractive candidate to some conservatives.

Norwegian on July 9, 2015 at 9:55 AM

There be paid posters herein this thread.

Hi, guys,

Work at home, shill for the RINO’s, great life if you do not care that the country is under the total control of an evil two party money cult.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on July 9, 2015 at 9:56 AM

I don’t care, he’s not going to be president but he sure is running the talking points.

Cindy Munford on July 9, 2015 at 9:59 AM

He can’t imply that most people crossing the border illegally are drug dealers or rapists–that paints with far too broad a brush and gives the other side ample ammunition to attack him as a racist.

Sorry but that’s what it has come to. Rick Perry is basically taking your tack and is dropping like a stone because of it. Trump said a whole lot of truth and just as the heat was coming to him that illegal alien in SF did his thing. Like hundreds of other times except Trump had already made noise and the media had amplified it. We are paying a huge price to leave our borders open and you are playing to mere optics. Just like most in the GOP do.

DanMan on July 9, 2015 at 10:01 AM

This abortion issue and the use of the likes of David Barton and his http://www.wallbuilders.com/ is how Bush and Perry worked in Texas.

Now old David has a huge ranch near Jacksboro Texas and is in the money big time.

It took us 8 hard years to get that bunch on nuts out of power in the Texas Republican party.

That the elites are pulling this out now, this early shows just how worried they are that the grass roots conservatives are at the gates and they do not want the wage slave operation shut down ever.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on July 9, 2015 at 10:02 AM

Excellent post Ed but a waste of time. The Donald’s fans will continue to defend him no matter what.

I still say he will eventually either run third party or endorse Hillary because the Rs are too “extreme” or something.

cat_owner on July 9, 2015 at 10:08 AM

This:

The Mexican drug cartels now have total control of the “coyote” human smuggling operations on the U S / Mexican border.

You must pay the price and you as an illegal border jumper must MULE IN ILLEGAL DRUGS also as part of the price.

If you do not pay the price and often it is from earnings in the U S deducted by the people who hire these illegal wage slaves.

If you do not pay your grand parents or other relatives in Mexico end up dead by the road.

Now it takes two crimes, one a misdemeanor and the other a feloney drug smuggling.

Then the SS number theft, then the no tax return ever, or the filing of false returns for false tax refunds, then the Zeta drug gangs in many cities, then the DWI’s, then the never ending lies by RINO’s and low cur dogs of the MSM.

You are Rome in its last days and the time is now or never.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on July 9, 2015 at 10:10 AM

I don’t care.

Trump is the only one willing to tell me what I want to hear right now.

And he’s more likable than Romney or McCain. I say bring it on.

Bigbullets on July 9, 2015 at 10:13 AM

RINOs and Dinos oh my.

Who fears Trump the most?

Doesn’t care, can’t be bought, not poll driven, makes consultants head for the fainting couch. Last man in America with freedom of speech?

Next?
Some time this afternoon, another crime, another verification.

Fun times.

PaleoRider on July 9, 2015 at 10:13 AM

cat_owner on July 9, 2015 at 10:08 AM

You’d prefer we support the CoC pre-determined agenda instead?

Seriously what is so difficult for people to understand that promoting Americans first and the idea of providing jobs for legal Americans appeals to legal Americans?

Heck, even Bernie Sanders gets it, and he’s doing a better job of it by far than the Republican party is right now.

lineholder on July 9, 2015 at 10:14 AM

Excellent post Ed but a waste of time. The Donald’s fans will continue to defend him no matter what.

I still say he will eventually either run third party or endorse Hillary because the Rs are too “extreme” or something.

cat_owner on July 9, 2015 at 10:08 AM

Yep. Lots of those folks around these parts.

Tons.

Bigbullets on July 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM

“Oh, the impurity!”
…. {faint}
……..{revives}
“Wheyah, oh wheyah is the candidate that is as pure as driven snow…. or anthracite dust?”
…. {faint}

ExpressoBold on July 9, 2015 at 10:16 AM

That the elites are pulling this out now, this early shows just how worried they are that the grass roots conservatives are at the gates and they do not want the wage slave operation shut down ever.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on July 9, 2015 at 10:02 AM

I think that is what it’s about, none of these candidates are going to try to overturn Roe v. Wade or do anything meaningful on any social issue, other than maybe Huckabee or someone like that.

But saying that they are “pro-life” is a good way for establishment types to manipulate voters. Generally right after they betray their voters on something big, they will try and pass a meaningless bill to “ban abortions after 20 weeks”, or something like that.

Most of the GOP donors are far left on gay-marriage, but don’t care as much about abortion so it’s an issue they can try and get some conservative “cred” on, one of the things that Christie is trying to do.

The media’s intense ridicule has only helped Trump in the polls, so now they will try and attack his positions and treat him a little more seriously, to see if that will get him to stop talking about illegal immigration.

Redstone on July 9, 2015 at 10:16 AM

I don’t care, he’s not going to be president but he sure is running the talking points.

Exactly…he won’t be the nonimee and I wouldn’t vote for him in the primary (unless it were down to he and Jeb or Rubio) but I think he is doing a great service by talking about issues that sets the RINO’s hair on fire and seperates the wheat from the chaff. Without naming names he is clearing the way for the candidate(s) that haven’t cravenly criticized his statements…keep it up.

ironmarshal on July 9, 2015 at 10:18 AM

Looks like the Hot Gas crew got their marching orders.

YahwehPundit on July 9, 2015 at 10:20 AM

Trump is a right leaning libertarian, not a conservative. That is why he is gaining so much traction. And that is exactly what could beat Hillary.

HugoDrax on July 9, 2015 at 10:24 AM

Those who support Trump are not conservatives. They are just malcontents.

Trump has been a consummate crony capitalist his entire career. And he has often attempted to get local governments to use eminent domain to acquire private property he wants. And his and his family’s long history of donations to Democrats, including Hillary and the Clinton Foundation.

~~

They may claim to be conservatives, and if another candidate had done even one of these things, they would consider him disqualified because of it.

Yet, they stick with the big-mouthed jerk. They relate, somehow.

Adjoran on July 9, 2015 at 10:26 AM

To those of you seriously considering Trump for anything other than used car salesman: turn off your TV and slowly back away. You have become clinically detached from reality. He doesn’t mean the things he says that you like. He doesn’t mean the things he says that you don’t like. He is, essentially, meaningless. He is a grifter who has gotten rich playing chumps. Don’t be a chump.

Immolate on July 9, 2015 at 10:27 AM

Here’s my feeling on the matter:

Roe vs. Wade was decided a long time ago.

Gay marriage is now the law of the land.

Obamacare is in place, and repealing it would be a monumental task.

On the other hand, immigration, TPP, and climate change are issues that are open, undecided, consequential, and, if they go the wrong way, potentially catastrophic.

I’ll go with the guy who agrees with me on those three. If he does not agree with me on those three, even if he agrees with me on the first three, forget it.

Joseph K on July 9, 2015 at 10:28 AM

Trump is a right leaning libertarian, not a conservative. That is why he is gaining so much traction. And that is exactly what could beat Hillary.

HugoDrax on July 9, 2015 at 10:24 AM

Excellent point, although I would add that he is a nationalist right-leaning libertarian. And that one word is, for me, the key.

Joseph K on July 9, 2015 at 10:30 AM

What does any of this matter?

Trump is showing the GOP to be the Democom collaborators they are. I love seeing the RINOs’ discomfort as they are forced to admit they are in no way conservative.

ROCnPhilly on July 9, 2015 at 10:33 AM

I don’t like Trump.

I don’t like GOP, or their establishment, either.

Someone time warp me back to 1776 already. Please.

Grace_is_sufficient on July 9, 2015 at 10:35 AM

There is a strain of the conservative movement who will momentarily follow who ever has the biggest bullhorn yelling at liberals and their policies (not necessarily a bad thing, as I also get excited to see liberals squirm). The question I have is will you be with Trump when abortion, gay marriage, guns, or other issues that he isn’t nearly as conservative on come to the forefront and he isn’t on your side?

On immigration Trump has brought the issue to the foreground, but hasn’t issued a solution.

Tater Salad on July 9, 2015 at 10:41 AM

Excellent post Ed but a waste of time. The Donald’s fans will continue to defend him no matter what.

I still say he will eventually either run third party or endorse Hillary because the Rs are too “extreme” or something.

cat_owner on July 9, 2015 at 10:08 AM

a POS like trump can still be right about something, and when he is I will say so no matter how much I dislike him.
but I am not the type who likes the smell of his own farts as I suspect you do.

dmacleo on July 9, 2015 at 10:42 AM

Immolate on July 9, 2015 at 10:27 AM

actually I tend to agree and have said many times I don’t trust him as I think he is saying whatever is needed to gain support w/o actually meaning it.
but that does not change the validity of what he is saying.

dmacleo on July 9, 2015 at 10:44 AM

The GOP uses social conservatives to win elections then gives them absolutely nothing, on the national pro-life day march in Washington, Renee “Bug Eyes” Ellmers decided to torpedo a largely symbolic bill against late term abortion.

Redstone on July 9, 2015 at 9:54 AM

I’m not easily shocked, but I was shocked by that one. That was when the last few scales fell from my eyes. Here was GOP Inc. the morning after a monumental victory handed to them by conservatives, absolutely choking on a “gut” issue, on a highly symbolic day, when they had 60+ percent of the general populace behind them. And they weren’t even embarrassed about it.

Joseph K on July 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM

Here’s my feeling on the matter:

Roe vs. Wade was decided a long time ago.

Gay marriage is now the law of the land.

Obamacare is in place, and repealing it would be a monumental task.

On the other hand, immigration, TPP, and climate change are issues that are open, undecided, consequential, and, if they go the wrong way, potentially catastrophic.

I’ll go with the guy who agrees with me on those three. If he does not agree with me on those three, even if he agrees with me on the first three, forget it.

Joseph K on July 9, 2015 at 10:28 AM

So, you’re a pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, pro socialized health-care, nationalist socialist: you’re basically in the far left but you hate immigrants and the free-market.

You’re an old school socialist, actually. They tended to be quite xenophobic and nationalist when it was convenient to them. You’d feel at home with Putin.

joana on July 9, 2015 at 10:48 AM

I’m not easily shocked, but I was shocked by that one. That was when the last few scales fell from my eyes. Here was GOP Inc. the morning after a monumental victory handed to them by conservatives, absolutely choking on a “gut” issue, on a highly symbolic day, when they had 60+ percent of the general populace behind them. And they weren’t even embarrassed about it.

Joseph K on July 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM

The GOP won by running the same candidates the TruCons absolutely hated, swore to defeat in the primaries, failed to do so and then assured everyone would lose in November because “herp derp conservatives will stay at home”.

And now suddenly they’re the responsible for the win? Some people truly lack any sense of decency.

joana on July 9, 2015 at 10:50 AM

Joseph K on July 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM

Renee Ellmers has to be one of the stupidest people in congress, that was a symbolic bill and she couldn’t even get that right.

Redstone on July 9, 2015 at 10:51 AM

Here’s my feeling on the matter:

Roe vs. Wade was decided a long time ago.

Gay marriage is now the law of the land.

Obamacare is in place, and repealing it would be a monumental task.

On the other hand, immigration, TPP, and climate change are issues that are open, undecided, consequential, and, if they go the wrong way, potentially catastrophic.

I’ll go with the guy who agrees with me on those three. If he does not agree with me on those three, even if he agrees with me on the first three, forget it.

Joseph K on July 9, 2015 at 10:28 AM

Excellent point. I’ll add that the establishment types are floating the same idea, that they disagree but the issues are settled, time to move on. Well, if that’s how they feel, why should I vote for them?!? The truth is, they never disagreed in the first place. They got what they wanted.

The ‘serious’ candidates are the ones destroying this country. And they have promised to continue to do so. All the criticism thrown at Donald Trump is true, and it applies to the Republican establishment even more.

Fenris on July 9, 2015 at 10:52 AM

joana isn’t getting any bites.

butch on July 9, 2015 at 10:58 AM

So, you’re a pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, pro socialized health-care, nationalist socialist: you’re basically in the far left but you hate immigrants and the free-market.

You’re an old school socialist, actually. They tended to be quite xenophobic and nationalist when it was convenient to them. You’d feel at home with Putin.

joana on July 9, 2015 at 10:48 AM

I’ll go with the guy who agrees with me on those three. If he does not agree with me on those three, even if he agrees with me on the first three, forget it.

Can you read?

Joseph K on July 9, 2015 at 11:01 AM

joana isn’t getting any bites.

butch on July 9, 2015 at 10:58 AM

I think she gave up and went to troll people on another Trump thread.

Redstone on July 9, 2015 at 11:06 AM

Well, liberals and libertarians certainly agree on the concept of “my body to do with as I please.”

Of course, you have to break a few eggs to keep the chicken population down.

unclesmrgol on July 9, 2015 at 11:07 AM

Kurt Schlichter [email protected] 12m12 minutes ago Los Angeles, CA
I don’t know if any cons actually support Trump. They’re just frustrated that it takes Trump to tell the forbidden truth

d1carter on July 9, 2015 at 11:12 AM


Well, liberals and libertarians certainly agree on the concept of “my body to do with as I please.”

Of course, you have to break a few eggs to keep the chicken population down.

unclesmrgol on July 9, 2015 at 11:07 AM

For anyone with a minimum of logical thinking skills, from “My body to do with as I please” it doesn’t follow that abortion should be legal. That’s why there are plenty of pro-life libertarians. The fetus is another human being ergo deserving of protection from aggression.

joana on July 9, 2015 at 11:13 AM

Can you read?

Joseph K on July 9, 2015 at 11:01 AM

Yeps. You don’t say with whom you actually agree on any of those issues. Considering you’re a troll who claims that Palin is a Chavez/Castro agent and a sundry of unhinged conspiracy theories, I think everybody knows the answer.

joana on July 9, 2015 at 11:15 AM

Who cares?

Trump’s election would be a nightmare. Obama has committed many crimes. No one else but Trump would dare to prosecute. He will not hesitate.

Holder could wind up in prison. Jarrett could wind up in prison. Obama bundler Corzine could wind up in prison for losing $1.5 billion of customer money.

Clinton could wind up in jail for deleting 32,000 emails, or for accepting bribes from foreign governments while secretary of state, or for “misplacing” $6 billion as the head of the State Department, or for lying about Benghazi.

The entire upper level management of the IRS could wind up in prison. Obamacare will be defunded and dismantled. The Obama crime family will be prosecuted for crimes against the American people. And Obama himself could wind up ruined, his legacy in tatters.

Trump will investigate. Trump will prosecute. Trump will go after everyone involved — just for fun.

After that we can get in Trump’s face about abortion.

http://personalliberty.com/heres-why-obama-and-hillary-must-stop-donald-trump-at-all-costs/

Jayrae on July 9, 2015 at 11:35 AM

Who cares?

Trump’s election would be a nightmare. Obama has committed many crimes. No one else but Trump would dare to prosecute. He will not hesitate…

Jayrae on July 9, 2015 at 11:35 AM

I wish. And if world history is any guide, it could happen. In fact, it’s the norm. But I think we’ve got at least a few decades or a generation before it does happen here.

Fenris on July 9, 2015 at 11:42 AM

Trump is a New York conservative. Which generally means he is not conservative in almost any measure.

A “fence” may sound good to many conservatives, but it doesn’t make Trump conservative.

Oh, and Christie is a New Jersey conservative. Similar aforementioned measure.

Carnac on July 9, 2015 at 11:47 AM

Trump will investigate. Trump will prosecute. Trump will go after everyone involved — just for fun.

Jayrae on July 9, 2015 at 11:35 AM

pure fantasy

Carnac on July 9, 2015 at 11:52 AM

Trump would make an interesting mayor of New York City.

Cindy Munford on July 9, 2015 at 11:53 AM

Jayrae on July 9, 2015 at 11:35 AM

I don’t care if Trump eats puppies for breakfast if as president, he’ll prosecute the Klinton/Obama crime syndicates and put their asses in jail where they belong.

FNH57 on July 9, 2015 at 12:05 PM

Trump will have to work extra hard to convince Republican primary voters that he’s worth supporting

I don’t necessarily support Trump as a Presidential candidate, but I do approve of the role he is serving to shine the light on the cowering PC moderates in the Republican party who are daily weeding themselves out by 1) distancing themselves from Trump’s comments on illegal immigrants and 2) taking cover with liberal talking points.

Marco Rubio: off the list
Carly Fiorina: off the list
Rick Perry: off the list
Jeb Bush: Never on the freaking list

Right Mover on July 9, 2015 at 12:37 PM

He doesn’t mean the things he says that you like. He doesn’t mean the things he says that you don’t like. He is, essentially, meaningless. He is a grifter who has gotten rich playing chumps. Don’t be a chump.

Immolate on July 9, 2015 at 10:27 AM

Do you mean Jeb Bush? Rubio? Romney? McCain?

You are describing ALL OF THEM.

At least Trump will fight which is more than most of the others will do.

sharrukin on July 9, 2015 at 1:03 PM

Trump is not even a RINO; he is a Democrat in a RINO’s clothing. If he wins the Republican nomination, then I am done with the National Republican Party. Period.

Theophile on July 9, 2015 at 3:41 PM

“I believe in universal health care. I believe in whatever it takes to make people well and better.”

Asked if he thought it was an entitlement, Trump affirmed he did indeed believe it was one from birth.

“I think it is. It’s an entitlement to this country, and too bad the world can’t be, you know, in this country. But the fact is, it’s an entitlement to this country if we’re going to have a great country.”

“…it’s an entitlement to this country…”?

Did Trump even know what an entitlement is?

“…it was (an entitlement) from birth”?

But before birth, well, the womb is the most dangerous place in the US.

itsnotaboutme on July 9, 2015 at 3:57 PM

Trump is not even a RINO; he is a Democrat in a RINO’s clothing. If he wins the Republican nomination, then I am done with the National Republican Party. Period.

Theophile on July 9, 2015 at 3:41 PM

Yup.

Ed didn’t even mention Trump’s big donations to various Hillary campaigns.

And the amazing thing is, people think he is conservative!!!

And even more amazing, people think he is sincere!!!

itsnotaboutme on July 9, 2015 at 4:01 PM

Do you mean Jeb Bush? Rubio? Romney? McCain?

You are describing ALL OF THEM.

At least Trump will fight which is more than most of the others will do.

sharrukin on July 9, 2015 at 1:03 PM

There is a difference between a charlatan and a RINO/moderate. The latter can be expected to frustrate you half the time based on their ideology. The former can’t be expected to do anything except promulgate corruption, because he has no ideology beyond that required to separate chumps from their money (or their votes).

Immolate on July 9, 2015 at 4:38 PM

It’s too bad that Tim Russert had to leave us just when things were getting interesting with the first Obama campaign as he wouldn’t have sat back and let the Dems run rough shod over him.

Yep, too bad nosey reporters who ask too many questions have to meet their ends while they’re stirring up nonsense. As a group, these kinds seem prone to heart failure, depression, suicide, and dying in 9/11 plane hijackings.

Yep, it’s a shame.

Now, the ones that really seek the truth, you know like about Republicans and the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, on the other hand, live well into old age, like Bernstein, Woodward, Pollan, Rather, Zinn, Helen Thomas, Friedan, etc…

Odd how that happens.

Dr. ZhivBlago on July 9, 2015 at 5:26 PM

This abortion issue and the use of the likes of David Barton and his http://www.wallbuilders.com/ is how Bush and Perry worked in Texas.

Now old David has a huge ranch near Jacksboro Texas and is in the money big time.

It took us 8 hard years to get that bunch on nuts out of power in the Texas Republican party.

That the elites are pulling this out now, this early shows just how worried they are that the grass roots conservatives are at the gates and they do not want the wage slave operation shut down ever.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on July 9, 2015 at 10:02 AM

Might as well add Ted Cruz…He and David Barton are tight.

So…there ya go…

workingclass artist on July 9, 2015 at 5:46 PM

Trump would make an interesting mayor of New York City.

Cindy Munford on July 9, 2015 at 11:53 AM

Evidently Mayor of NYC is small potatoes for Trump…or maybe it’s the law suits?

workingclass artist on July 9, 2015 at 5:48 PM

These clips have been around for a long time. Where the heck has Ed Morrissey been?

I doubt that Donald Trump is sincere about being a conservative, but I like the focus he is bringing to the issue of illegals hurting our country. I much prefer Cruz to Trump, though.

What sickens me is that Ed Morrissey, who fully supports illegal alien amnesty and who proudly considers himself part of the Joe Scarborough RINO wing of the Republican Party and apparently holds in contempt conservatives who align themselves with people like Michelle Malkin, has never once posted serious, hard-hitting, detailed articles about the harm the illegal alien invasion is causing this country. Never once. But he has time to dump on anyone who might cause problems for his preferred, pro-amnesty RINO candidates like Marco Rubio and others.

Pathetic.

bluegill on July 9, 2015 at 5:53 PM

Heckuva job there, Cap’n Ed.

bluegill on July 9, 2015 at 5:54 PM

Right Mover on July 9, 2015 at 12:37 PM

yep, guess I missed where Carly stepped in it but you sure got the other ones right. Perry just can’t seem to get that people are sick of illegals.

DanMan on July 9, 2015 at 6:45 PM

I aint no E-shrill, and Trump is left on social issues as often as not, and he is quite thorough in his love affair with Hillary, bah!

OregonPolitician on July 9, 2015 at 8:41 PM

Yup, F chuck Todd is preparing a Trump hit-piece which will show ‘in his own words’ all of the flip-flopping The Donald has done over the years. However, F chuck will not be preparing a similar hit-piece on the media-shunning shrill shrew socialist who is the front runner on the other side.

maryo on July 10, 2015 at 10:20 AM

Compare that timeline of this flip flop in Rubio’s flip-flop in almost everything, I take Trump.

But I am not a single-issue voter.

Trump can have an orgy in White House as long as he will close the border and bring back jobs to average Americans.

I hate Evangelical Bush who lied against the intel report which resulted to bombing of Iraq that also killed some Christians in the process. Ten years after, ISIS demolished all Christians in Iraq.

Evil Bush! Not just liar!

TheAlamos on February 15, 2016 at 1:47 PM

On Trump’s position on Health Care:

TRUMP NEVER FLIP-FLOPPED. He still into Universal Health Care. But he wants Obamacare replaced by something that really serves average Americans. He mentioned that he is not like hardcore Conservatives will according to him “will leave poor people die on the street” without any help. If that is not Christian value, then the Devil must the religion of Christian Conservatives.

TRUMP IS NOT INTO SINGLE-PAYMENT system. He specifically mentioned “COMPETITION” to bring cost down! Not the one that raises health care cost to everyone, instead of going down.

On Trump’s position on Planned Parenthood:

TRUMP NEVER FLIP-FLOPPED. You Hardcore Conservatives, prove to Trump that PP never provides any other form of services to women except Abortion. Last time I looked, it’s less than 10% of the overall costs. HE HATES ABORTION BEFORE AND STILL NOW!

I still trust Trump! He is HONEST no matter how hard you try to twist his words. He didn’t even lie against his hate of Bush War!

TheAlamos on February 15, 2016 at 1:59 PM