Happy Pot Day, Oregon!

posted at 1:21 pm on July 1, 2015 by Jazz Shaw

As of today, you can now possess, grow and (I’m assuming) consume marijuana in Oregon. The change took effect at midnight, so I’m sure the party atmosphere must be pretty intense about now. (More on that below) But as Oregon Live reports, it’s not exactly a free for all in the grass trade. Despite the things I listed which you can do, there’s still one fairly important transactional activity which is prohibited.

As of today, if you are 21 or older, you can legally possess and grow cannabis in Oregon. That’s right, a pretty historic day.

If you want to mark the day by buying some pot to consume, you’re out of luck. For now, people can only share or give away marijuana and starter plants so you’ll have to hit up a generous friend, though a bill allowing recreational marijuana sales at dispensaries in the fall is making its way through the Oregon Legislature.

Medical marijuana patients, meanwhile, can continue to purchase cannabis at state-regulated dispensaries.

This was a rather odd way to structure the implementation of these laws, but perhaps it was the only way to get them through the legislature. Much like a scene out of Pulp Fiction, it’s legal to have it. It’s legal to grow it. It’s legal to give it away to your friends or to pass out “starter plants” to aspiring growers. But it’s not legal to buy or sell it. I’m trying to think if there is some sort of parallel anywhere else in state laws around the countries, but blue laws and sin laws tend to fall into their own special category when it comes to such questions, at least as compared to more “standard” crimes like murder, assault and theft.

Is the legislature just assuming that everyone is going to launch into a new career in farming? A noble idea I suppose, but hardly practical for people living in the cities in most cases. And perhaps Oregonians are just more generous in nature than their east coast counterparts, but I don’t know how many folks are just in the habit of giving away drugs. Still, I suppose it’s all peace, love and trust falls from here on out. And, as I suspected, the party has already begun.

“This is history in the making,” said Leeyah Pham of Portland as her friends took turns at a marijuana pipe.

Hundreds of people took over the Burnside Bridge’s north sidewalk Tuesday night and Wednesday morning, spilling into the roadway and blocking multiple lanes at various points throughout the night. It was loud and energetic, with activists stirring up the crowd with megaphone-powered chants like “Free the weed” and “F**k the DEA,” people openly smoking marijuana and equally openly sharing it…

“I feel free,” a man exclaimed over the fireworks that erupted seconds after midnight.

FREEDOM, Baby! Just try to remember to go to work in the morning. What’s that? You don’t have a job? Oh, well… then by all means, carry on.


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YES!

weedisgood on July 1, 2015 at 1:26 PM

Cannot wait until these stoners get the bill.

Bmore on July 1, 2015 at 1:26 PM

Got an interesting email last night.
It said it’s probably not just coincidence that pot and SSM be legalized at the same time.
According to Leviticus “If a man lies down with a man, he should be stoned.”
Who knew? We’ve apparently been misinterpreting the Bible…..

dentarthurdent on July 1, 2015 at 1:28 PM

good, now move out of Colorado.

kirkill on July 1, 2015 at 1:30 PM

Much like a scene out of Pulp Fiction, it’s legal to have it. It’s legal to grow it. It’s legal to give it away to your friends or to pass out “starter plants” to aspiring growers. But it’s not legal to buy or sell it

Must of been stoned when they wrote that part.

Racistanyway on July 1, 2015 at 1:30 PM

dentarthurdent on July 1, 2015 at 1:28 PM

LOL!

kirkill on July 1, 2015 at 1:30 PM

No problem with pot. Liberals and their supporters stay stoned all day. Won’t look for jobs or vote.

rubberneck on July 1, 2015 at 1:31 PM

If we can ignore the federal drug laws, can we then also ignore the federal marriage laws?

It’s interesting how Jazz says its legal in Oregon. Is he lying to his readers, or just ignorant of federal law?

Marijuana is a schedule one drug and not legal anywhere in the United States. And yet news reports everywhere keep spreading ignorance.

It just gets sadder.

There is no federal law on marriage and yet, everyone in the country as of last week believes states can’t refuse gay “marriage”.

There are federal laws on Marijuana, and yet people think states can ignore those laws.

Upside down.

Baggi on July 1, 2015 at 1:33 PM

No problem with pot. Liberals and their supporters stay stoned all day. Won’t look for jobs or vote.

rubberneck on July 1, 2015 at 1:31 PM

Except your co-workers are probably on prescription pills which are 10 times more potent than weed.

We do know for a fact that millions of Americans abuse prescription drugs.

weedisgood on July 1, 2015 at 1:34 PM

Who cares?

I never intended to visit or do business in Oregon, so this just cements that sentiment.

nobar on July 1, 2015 at 1:35 PM

what are all these small squiggly and scratchy marks on my computer screen…text…what do you mean text? ….they upset me…they’re getting in the way of the pictures….its queering my high, man….bogus…

clandestine on July 1, 2015 at 1:36 PM

You can’t legally posses pot anywhere in the U.S. If you have it, you are breaking the law. It’s just that the O administration is refusing to go after you. You are still a criminal, though.

Count to 10 on July 1, 2015 at 1:38 PM

There is no federal law on marriage and yet, everyone in the country as of last week believes states can’t refuse gay “marriage”.

There are federal laws on Marijuana, and yet people think states can ignore those laws.

Upside down.

Baggi on July 1, 2015 at 1:33 PM

Once President Huckabee is sworn in, it will be the other way around. Right?

Rix on July 1, 2015 at 1:38 PM

For now, people can only share or give away marijuana and starter plants so you’ll have to hit up a generous friend, though a bill allowing recreational marijuana sales at dispensaries in the fall is making its way through the Oregon Legislature.

This sounds like a business opportunity custom made for the Clintons, miles and miles of room for corruption.

antipc on July 1, 2015 at 1:39 PM

Another good reason to stay the hell out of Oregon.

GarandFan on July 1, 2015 at 1:40 PM

We do know for a fact that millions of Americans abuse prescription drugs.

weedisgood on July 1, 2015 at 1:34 PM

Says Spicoli.

antipc on July 1, 2015 at 1:40 PM

weedisgood on July 1, 2015 at 1:34 PM

Oh man, take another hit on that straw, man.

kirkill on July 1, 2015 at 1:44 PM

hey man its a crazy world….so stand up and be counted….i mean it…lets all stand up now and form a big circle and join hands….good…good….now lets all pray to the earth mother goddess Gaia….Dear Gaia…please lower the price of dope by 50% and bring some sanity into the world…thank you Gaia…we love you…

clandestine on July 1, 2015 at 1:46 PM

The law is brought into disrepute when legislatures pass laws criminalizing something that half or more of the population has tried.

Nevermind the hubris of attempting to wipe out a plant synonymous with weed growth. I wish they had focused as much energy and effort on eradicating dollar weed and dandelion.

ElrondHubbard on July 1, 2015 at 1:48 PM

Shower the young with free stuff and let them smoke pot and you have instant Democrat voters.

cajunpatriot on July 1, 2015 at 1:50 PM

Is this the Rand Paul thread?

Emperor Norton on July 1, 2015 at 1:52 PM

There is no federal law on marriage and yet, everyone in the country as of last week believes states can’t refuse gay “marriage”.
There are federal laws on Marijuana, and yet people think states can ignore those laws.
Upside down.
Baggi on July 1, 2015 at 1:33 PM

It’s amazing sometimes how little you all seem to actually understand about how our system of government and law works.

Laws banning gay marriage were state laws. Grievances against the state laws made it all the way to the Supreme Court where they had to make a decision on the state laws constitutionality. After said decision, those state laws are abolished.

Marijuana legalizations are state laws. Grievances against those said state laws have not made it to the supreme court as of this moment, so these laws operate in the same grey area that state laws on gay marriage were before the courts decision. In the event that a court case makes it all the way to the Supreme Court and a decision has been made on marijuana laws, then your analogy might work.

But until then, it’s an illegitimate comparison that has no basis in reality.

Furthermore, I can’t wait until the Supreme Court does have to make a decision on this subject.

Genuine on July 1, 2015 at 1:53 PM

Portland is still full of dirty,grungy, entitled filth. Now it will just smell worse.

portlandon on July 1, 2015 at 1:53 PM

ug smell of it makes me gag and vomit. very sensitive to it.
cannot imagine how mush spewage I could have tossed onto them if I were there.

dmacleo on July 1, 2015 at 2:01 PM

The law is brought into disrepute when legislatures pass laws criminalizing something that half or more of the population has tried.

ElrondHubbard on July 1, 2015 at 1:48 PM

Agreed. Now if only we could get a Big Gulp in NYC.

Wait…soda is bad for us. Nevermind.

Bishop on July 1, 2015 at 2:01 PM

I’ll bet Eugene actually looks nicer today with all the hemp-heads passed out in their eco-gardens rather than wandering the streets.

Bishop on July 1, 2015 at 2:02 PM

The TV lawyer ads should be a hoot.”If you were in an auto accident and the other driver was stoned or hurt on the job by a stoned coworker call us.We are the hammer.”

docflash on July 1, 2015 at 2:07 PM

I wish they had focused as much energy and effort on eradicating dollar weed and dandelion.

ElrondHubbard on July 1, 2015 at 1:48 PM

Find a way to get high off those two and you’ll get your wish.

Occams Stubble on July 1, 2015 at 2:11 PM

Genuine July 01, 2015 at 1:53 pm

Ever hear of the Supremacy Clause?
Just curious.

irishgladiator63 on July 1, 2015 at 2:16 PM

I’ll bet Eugene actually looks nicer today with all the hemp-heads passed out in their eco-gardens rather than wandering the streets.

Bishop on July 1, 2015 at 2:02 PM

They are gearing up for the Oregon Country Fair. The biggest Pot/Hippie fest West of the Mississippi. This year should be especially crazy, being it’s actually legal to smoke it there now.

portlandon on July 1, 2015 at 2:37 PM

FREEDOM, Baby! Just try to remember to go to work in the morning. What’s that? You don’t have a job? Oh, well… then by all means, carry on.

Right! Just like all the people that are out at bars today / tonight. None of THEM must have jobs, either.

Moron

deadrody on July 1, 2015 at 2:54 PM

I conducted a survey here in Seattle. An un-scientific survey Purely for scientific reasons.

There are probably 7-10 pot stores in the very un-posh neighborhood where I live. Like within walking distance.

Driving around some of the downtown and hipster shopping areas around Seattle I haven’t seen any.

It seems that the liberals who voted for this don’t want the stores in their neighborhoods. Very strange.

kcewa on July 1, 2015 at 2:57 PM

Nothing like a pot post to reveal how tepid the commitment of some conservatives to the concept of federalism.

thirteen28 on July 1, 2015 at 3:00 PM

Ever hear of the Supremacy Clause?
Just curious.

irishgladiator63 on July 1, 2015 at 2:16 PM

Ever hear about the constitutional amendment that was ratified in order to enact marijuana prohibition nationwide?

Me neither.

thirteen28 on July 1, 2015 at 3:02 PM

It seems that the liberals who voted for this don’t want the stores in their neighborhoods. Very strange.

kcewa on July 1, 2015 at 2:57 PM

Maybe they have something against the crime or loitering that goes hand in hand with drugs.

antipc on July 1, 2015 at 3:03 PM

Right! Just like all the people that are out at bars today / tonight. None of THEM must have jobs, either.

Moron

deadrody on July 1, 2015 at 2:54 PM

Depends on how early/late you go. And whether you’re talking real bars (where people drink) or clubs/pubs where people talk/meet/eat.

Wait a few years and see how many of your friends that still have responsible jobs are still drinking/smoking/vaping on weekdays and nights.

Legalized pot will create a whole new class of bums.

kcewa on July 1, 2015 at 3:06 PM

Is this the Rand Paul thread?

Emperor Norton on July 1, 2015 at 1:52 PM

What? You couldn’t tell through all the smoke?

Mark Boabaca on July 1, 2015 at 3:06 PM

It’s not difficult even for “city folk” to grow pot. Anyone with a basement, garage, patio or a backyard has more than enough space to grow their own supply.

Progressive Heretic on July 1, 2015 at 3:09 PM

Maybe they have something against the crime or loitering that goes hand in hand with drugs.

antipc on July 1, 2015 at 3:03 PM

I think so. That and the reduction in property values. They prefer that the working class and poor neighborhoods bear the costs of their progressive visions. Out of sight, out of mind.

kcewa on July 1, 2015 at 3:09 PM

Federal Laws against drugs, state refuses to enforce. Hooray for liberty.

Federal ruling on gay marriage, some state employees refuse to grand licenses. Send in the DOJ and send them to jail.

airupthere on July 1, 2015 at 3:18 PM

Much like a scene out of Pulp Fiction, it’s legal to have it. It’s legal to grow it. It’s legal to give it away to your friends or to pass out “starter plants” to aspiring growers. But it’s not legal to buy or sell it. I’m trying to think if there is some sort of parallel anywhere else in state laws around the countries, but blue laws and sin laws tend to fall into their own special category when it comes to such questions, at least as compared to more “standard” crimes like murder, assault and theft.

There are parallels. For instance sex is only illegal when bought or sold (leaving aside things like public indecency laws).

Tlaloc on July 1, 2015 at 3:18 PM

Who cares?

I never intended to visit or do business in Oregon, so this just cements that sentiment.

nobar on July 1, 2015 at 1:35 PM

Thank you.
-An Oregonian

Tlaloc on July 1, 2015 at 3:23 PM

It will not be a priority to use federal resources to prosecute patients with serious illnesses or their caregivers who are complying with state laws on medical marijuana, but we will not tolerate drug traffickers who hide behind claims of compliance with state law to mask activities that are clearly illegal.
-Eric Holder

airupthere on July 1, 2015 at 3:24 PM

Except your co-workers are probably on prescription pills which are 10 times more potent than weed.

We do know for a fact that millions of Americans abuse prescription drugs.

weedisgood on July 1, 2015 at 1:34 PM

How do you know? Have you met them all? Or did you just Google it from your mom’s basement?

Ward Cleaver on July 1, 2015 at 3:33 PM

One good thing about Oregonians – when you get tired of them, you can just have them put to sleep.

Ward Cleaver on July 1, 2015 at 3:34 PM

Yeah, but you can only have half a pound in possession from the 4 plants.

Wonder what the authors of Measure 91 think everyone is gonna do with the other 3-1/2 pounds they harvest? hhhmmm…..

old school on July 1, 2015 at 3:36 PM

Legalized pot will create a whole new class of bums.

kcewa on July 1, 2015 at 3:06 PM

Yes, because those bums would never, ever think of smoking pot or even attempting to possess pot if it was legal. Nope. If pot was illegal, they’d just say “Well golly gee, I can’t get pot or smoke pot, so I’d better get out there and get a job and be a productive member of society.” Because whether or not someone is a bum is completely and utterly dependent on whether pot is legal.

Genius!!

P.S. freedom go to hell!!!!

thirteen28 on July 1, 2015 at 3:39 PM

No worries, NYU just released a study, as reported by the Daily Mail, showing that marijuana isn’t a gateway drug because only one third of pot users going on to use other illegal drugs and 70% of illegal drug users surveyed reporting marijuana as the first illegal drug they used.

They did say that bred teenagers were the group most likely to go on to use other illegal drugs.

talkingpoints on July 1, 2015 at 3:39 PM

Thank you.
-An Oregonian

Tlaloc on July 1, 2015 at 3:23 PM

That certainly goes a long way in explaining your pathology.

F X Muldoon on July 1, 2015 at 3:44 PM

Yes, because those bums would never, ever think of smoking pot or even attempting to possess pot if it was legal. Nope. If pot was illegal, they’d just say “Well golly gee, I can’t get pot or smoke pot, so I’d better get out there and get a job and be a productive member of society.” Because whether or not someone is a bum is completely and utterly dependent on whether pot is legal.

Genius!!

P.S. freedom go to hell!!!!

thirteen28 on July 1, 2015 at 3:39 PM

I think the reasoning is that more people will have access to marijuana because it is now legal, and due to the use of marijuana become bums. The contention is that drugs transform some (not all, many can indulge without negative consequences) productive members of society into bums, not that bums would use pot just because it is legal.

Smoking a little early in the day, perhaps?

It’s kind of like Islam. If there a 1 billion Muslims and only 1% want to kill all non Muslims, that’s a lot of people.

If only 20% of pot users then go on to ruin their lives because of drugs and the number of pot users increases from, say, 10,000,000 to 50,000,000 (those numbers are hypothetical, not fact based) because it’s now legal, that’s 8,000,000 more ruined lives. The 20% is probably accurate, the other numbers are just made up.

talkingpoints on July 1, 2015 at 3:50 PM

The law is brought into disrepute when legislatures pass laws criminalizing something that half or more of the population has tried.

ElrondHubbard on July 1, 2015 at 1:48 PM

Driving over the speed limit?

talkingpoints on July 1, 2015 at 3:52 PM

Because whether or not someone is a bum is completely and utterly dependent on whether pot is legal.

Genius!!

P.S. freedom go to hell!!!!

thirteen28 on July 1, 2015 at 3:39 PM

Legalization makes it more available. That will increase usage.

Also, most people still try to obey the law. If you don’t think so you should probably find a new circle of friends.

kcewa on July 1, 2015 at 3:58 PM

Shelf space for Doritos hardest hit…

Galtian on July 1, 2015 at 4:00 PM

The law is brought into disrepute when legislatures pass laws criminalizing something that half or more of the population has tried.

ElrondHubbard on July 1, 2015 at 1:48 PM

There’s a world of difference between “trying” and using.

kcewa on July 1, 2015 at 4:01 PM

Not “hisory in making” at all. Its in the repeating, as in French Revolution.

PattyJ on July 1, 2015 at 4:05 PM

talkingpoints on July 1, 2015 at 3:50 PM

When I was in high school (no pun intended, and admittedly a long time ago), access to marijuana (illegal) was much easier than access to alcohol (legal). And I’m sure if I was to seek out some marijuana today (illegal where I’m at) it would only be marginally more difficult than obtaining legal alcohol.

Your argument is based on numbers which are entirely hypothetical and assumes there will be a mad dash to smoke weed by many non-smokers and that those that do will become habitual users. That’s a pretty big assumption.

It also assumes that smoking weed = ruined lives. Yet there are countless people that have experimented with weed whose lives were not ruined and countless more who continue to use it on a regular basis while still leading productive lives. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if there were friends and acquaintances of yours that have experimented or regularly consume weed, without your knowledge, and without your suspicion because they lead productive lives.

Nevertheless, I don’t accept either as a valid premise for arguing over this – the premise should be freedom. People should be free to smoke weed in the privacy of their own homes or in private establishments that permit such as long as they don’t infringe upon the rights of others. In other words, like the same freedom they have with alcohol. Prohibition has been an unmitigated disaster, it has failed to stop the flow or availability of weed while trampling on civil liberties and consuming resources that could be used to fight real crime.

Nobody on the right who claims to be in favor of either federalism or smaller government should support nationwide prohibition or oppose the right of individual states to set their own policy on the matter. Those who support nationwide prohibition should at least be honest enough to say that they don’t really support smaller government or the concept of federalism, because in the end, they don’t.

thirteen28 on July 1, 2015 at 4:06 PM

Thank you.
-An Oregonian

Tlaloc on July 1, 2015 at 3:23 PM

That certainly goes a long way in explaining your pathology.

F X Muldoon on July 1, 2015 at 3:44 PM

Hey now! Conservative Christian Oregonian here. If we could fence off Eugene and Portland we’d have a conservative governor and legislature and roll back 30 years of unfettered budget and idiocy growth, but they outvote us.

On topic, I hope drug testing at companies increases before somebody gets run over by a high driver.

PastorJon on July 1, 2015 at 4:14 PM

When will the Supreme Court nullify all of the marijuana legalization laws in CO, OR, and WA?

Apparently, the executive branch is only capable of threatening to enforce a law if it is written/ruled on by the SCOTUS.

Anthony Kennedy, the swing vote to make marijuana illegal again.

Or are we going to go the other way?

Will the SCOTUS now use the 14th amendment to find a constitutional right to smoking dope? Since marijuana is legal to purchase in CO and WA, then other states must respect their laws and legalize it as well.

airupthere on July 1, 2015 at 4:29 PM

On topic, I hope drug testing at companies increases before somebody gets run over by a high driver.

PastorJon on July 1, 2015 at 4:14 PM

They won’t run over you, you’ll end up crashing into the back of their bumper stickered ’90s Subaru,
Traveling between Eugene and Portland on I-5 at 40 miles per.

The Old Hippies in Ashland are thinking their time has come to make millions, I was just there.

Whiterock on July 1, 2015 at 4:30 PM

Oregon, come get drunk on Micro Brew, smoke some hooch, pass out, wake up w/ A same sex dude in your bed and a ring on your finger. It’ts all legal now.

Whiterock on July 1, 2015 at 4:35 PM

Lol. I don’t smoke weed but it’s so hilarious watching right wingers twist themselves into not trying to explain why pot should be illegal but alcohol and tobacco should remain legal.

Politricks on July 1, 2015 at 4:39 PM

Nobody on the right who claims to be in favor of either federalism or smaller government should support nationwide prohibition or oppose the right of individual states to set their own policy on the matter. Those who support nationwide prohibition should at least be honest enough to say that they don’t really support smaller government or the concept of federalism, because in the end, they don’t.

thirteen28 on July 1, 2015 at 4:06 PM

You’ve got it backwards. Prohibition is prohibiting something that has been legal. Like alcohol. Alcohol prohibition was an attempt by the progressive movement to change society.

Legalization of narcotic and psychedelic drugs is foreign to our culture. Yes I know they were legal in the 19th century. That was a long time ago and far away.

What you’re doing with legalization is imposing a progressive social experiment on society at large. That’s not conservative.

kcewa on July 1, 2015 at 4:41 PM

Genuine. Don’t confuse them with facts and reason. You’ll be called a troll for not toeing the line.

Politricks on July 1, 2015 at 4:41 PM

The Old Hippies in Ashland are thinking their time has come to make millions, I was just there.

Whiterock on July 1, 2015 at 4:30 PM

LOL. The old hippies in Ashland better check with the Mexican cartels and their gang affiliates before they try to invade that market.

kcewa on July 1, 2015 at 4:44 PM

…Nevertheless, I don’t accept either as a valid premise for arguing over this – the premise should be freedom. People should be free to smoke weed in the privacy of their own homes or in private establishments that permit such as long as they don’t infringe upon the rights of others. In other words, like the same freedom they have with alcohol. Prohibition has been an unmitigated disaster, it has failed to stop the flow or availability of weed while trampling on civil liberties and consuming resources that could be used to fight real crime…. thirteen28 on July 1, 2015 at 4:06 PM

Those that want the freedom to use drugs should be free to do as they wish, I have no problem with that.

But they should not be free however, to stick their fingers in my pocket, for unemployment insurance, disability insurance, medical care, SNAP, WIC, general welfare, rent subsidies, free and reduced lunches, day care subsidies, on and on… In otherwords they should not be free to encroach on MY FREEDOM AND LIBERTY.

If we had a gov’t that adhered to the constitution and a capitalist economy then I’m all in. Right now we don’t.

old school on July 1, 2015 at 4:56 PM

Don’t worry conservatives. Just pass laws that you have to pass a drug test before getting public assistance, including for marijuana.

And remember, in a few years corporations will have purchased laws through the legislature that regulate all but them out of growing pot. Then said corporations will be getting rich. At that point, we can count on liberals once again being against pot.

PastorJon on July 1, 2015 at 5:05 PM

Or better yet!! Encourage the Koch brothers, who are libertarian, to start growing and selling marijuana! Harry Reid will have legislation up to send in the DoJ to every state it’s legal and enforce federal law!

PastorJon on July 1, 2015 at 5:13 PM

What’s that? You don’t have a job? Oh, well… then by all means, carry on.

Good Lord. I thought America had moved past these lazy, mindless, stereotypes. But apparently they’ve moved back into the basement and aren’t going anywhere anytime soon.

So all the hard work we’ve done is seemingy up in smoke. Well, lemme tell you, we’re ready to burn it down to get our rights as Stoner-Americans. We’re ready to cash your pension.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

misterpeasea on July 1, 2015 at 5:17 PM

Got an interesting email last night.
It said it’s probably not just coincidence that pot and SSM be legalized at the same time.
According to Leviticus “If a man lies down with a man, he should be stoned.”
Who knew? We’ve apparently been misinterpreting the Bible…..

dentarthurdent on July 1, 2015 at 1:28 PM

Time to start another re-read — bound to be something else I’ve missed!

AesopFan on July 1, 2015 at 6:21 PM

You can’t legally posses pot anywhere in the U.S. If you have it, you are breaking the law. It’s just that the O administration is refusing to go after you. You are still a criminal, though.

Count to 10 on July 1, 2015 at 1:38 PM

An amazing all-purpose policy.
Works for illegal immigrants, non-compliant Secretaries of State, lying IRS officials, murdering VA staffers —

AesopFan on July 1, 2015 at 6:23 PM

You’ve got it backwards. Prohibition is prohibiting something that has been legal. Like alcohol. Alcohol prohibition was an attempt by the progressive movement to change society.

Legalization of narcotic and psychedelic drugs is foreign to our culture. Yes I know they were legal in the 19th century. That was a long time ago and far away.

What you’re doing with legalization is imposing a progressive social experiment on society at large. That’s not conservative.

kcewa on July 1, 2015 at 4:41 PM

First you argue “Prohibition is prohibiting something that has been legal.” Then you say “Yes I know they were legal in the 19th century.” So how is making weed illegal at the federal level any different than making alcohol illegal at the federal level (other than the fact that they at least had the decency to use a constitutional amendment for alcohol)?

One piece of “logic” you provide is “That was a long time ago and far away.” Um, so? The Roman Republic was a long time ago and far away when our Founders decided to make this nation a Republic. By your “logic” they should have just installed some kind of autocracy and been done with it.

Your other “logic” is “Legalization of narcotic and psychedelic drugs is foreign to our culture.” Notwithstanding the fact that marijuana falls into neither of those categories, you already admitted that it was previously legal (and was well into the 20th century),how is that foreign to our culture? The only way it became “foreign” is that governments stepped in an made it illegal.

Then you write this gem:

What you’re doing with legalization is imposing a progressive social experiment on society at large. That’s not conservative.

I’m not imposing anything. Under a regime of legal weed, you would be perfectly in your rights to not smoke weed. Nobody is proposing that you be forced to smoke weed.

What’s not conservative is the insistence that the government, by force, enforce your belief that people shouldn’t smoke pot, and should do so nationwide, in the absence of any real constitutional prerogative to implement such a prohibition and in defiance of the principles of federalism.

Don’t ever bitch about the nanny-staters that want to ban transfats, cigarettes, etc. etc. etc. You are one of them.

Don’t ever proclaim yourself to be someone who believes in the principles of federalism. You have exposed yourself here as someone who will betray those principles to impose your beliefs on others, even if they are doing you no harm.

And don’t ever proclaim yourself to be someone who believes in reducing government power, when you want to bring the power of the state to bear in preventing someone from smoking the weeds of a plant that grows in nature.

In short, you are at best a small “c” conservative who doesn’t want to rock the status quo. But you are in no way a small government conservative or one that believes in liberty, federalism, or other principles upon which this country was founded.

thirteen28 on July 1, 2015 at 6:24 PM

For now, people can only share or give away marijuana and starter plants so you’ll have to hit up a generous friend, though a bill allowing recreational marijuana sales at dispensaries in the fall is making its way through the Oregon Legislature.

Barter, dude, barter.

AesopFan on July 1, 2015 at 6:25 PM

But they should not be free however, to stick their fingers in my pocket, for unemployment insurance, disability insurance, medical care, SNAP, WIC, general welfare, rent subsidies, free and reduced lunches, day care subsidies, on and on… In otherwords they should not be free to encroach on MY FREEDOM AND LIBERTY.

If we had a gov’t that adhered to the constitution and a capitalist economy then I’m all in. Right now we don’t.

old school on July 1, 2015 at 4:56 PM

Ok, so let’s, at taxpayer expense, arm and equip a huge drug-warrior apparatus, and lets catch all these weed smokers and throw them in jail … where we will have to house them, feed them, clothe them, provide them with medical care, etc., all at taxpayer expense, and then add a scarlet letter to their record which makes it harder for them to find meaningful employment when they are released from jail, making everything that you fear far more likely.

You don’t want them sticking their fingers in your pocket, and yet in the status quo, they and the state are doing just that in order to enact their failed prohibition.

thirteen28 on July 1, 2015 at 6:29 PM

Hey now! Conservative Christian Oregonian here. If we could fence off Eugene and Portland we’d have a conservative governor and legislature and roll back 30 years of unfettered budget and idiocy growth, but they outvote us.

PastorJon on July 1, 2015 at 4:14 PM

You’d also have about 15 people.

Tlaloc on July 1, 2015 at 6:56 PM

That certainly goes a long way in explaining your pathology.

F X Muldoon on July 1, 2015 at 3:44 PM

What pathology would that be?

Nobar said:

Who cares?

I never intended to visit or do business in Oregon, so this just cements that sentiment.

nobar on July 1, 2015 at 1:35 PM

And I thanked him for staying out of the state.

Tlaloc on July 1, 2015 at 6:58 PM

One good thing about Oregonians – when you get tired of them, you can just have them put to sleep.

Ward Cleaver on July 1, 2015 at 3:34 PM

As one who is a transplant to the Portland Metro area, thank you so much for making me, literally, LOL! That was funny! ;o)

kakypat on July 1, 2015 at 7:06 PM

Hey now! Conservative Christian Oregonian here. If we could fence off Eugene and Portland we’d have a conservative governor and legislature and roll back 30 years of unfettered budget and idiocy growth, but they outvote us.

Me, too….and that is so true!

On topic, I hope drug testing at companies increases before somebody gets run over by a high driver.

PastorJon on July 1, 2015 at 4:14 PM

I hate to tell you this but, in my area, many companies don’t test for weed anymore because it’s use is so prevalent, and it stays in the system for so long. I asked one business owner why not test for weed? And he said he wouldn’t have any employees if he did!

kakypat on July 1, 2015 at 7:12 PM

Portland is still full of dirty,grungy, entitled filth. Now it will just smell worse.

portlandon on July 1, 2015 at 1:53 PM

I’ll bet Eugene actually looks nicer today with all the hemp-heads passed out in their eco-gardens rather than wandering the streets.

Bishop on July 1, 2015 at 2:02 PM

I am reminded of a trip my wife and I took to Northern CA 10 years ago–we traveled primarily in wine country and the Tahoe area. She was keen to visit San Francisco. I had been there on business several times and I advised against it. She insisted. We took a ferry from Marin County to downtown SF. The stench of human urine hit her about 500 feet from the ferry pier. It followed us everywhere in the city and the homeless infestation that was passed out in the streets totally ruined the visit as I anticipated. She was appaled. Needless to say the wife and I will not be back to San Francisco It smelled like Sodom.

Colorado and Oregon have made their decision–that stench will attract the rats.

HatfieldMcCoy on July 1, 2015 at 9:03 PM

If only 20% of pot users then go on to ruin their lives because of drugs and the number of pot users increases from, say, 10,000,000 to 50,000,000 (those numbers are hypothetical, not fact based) because it’s now legal, that’s 8,000,000 more ruined lives. The 20% is probably accurate, the other numbers are just made up.

talkingpoints on July 1, 2015 at 3:50 PM

You aren’t free if you aren’t free to do the wrong thing.

misterpeasea on July 1, 2015 at 9:51 PM

Ok, so let’s, at taxpayer expense, arm and equip a huge drug-warrior apparatus, and lets catch all these weed smokers and throw them in jail … where we will have to house them, feed them, clothe them, provide them with medical care, etc., all at taxpayer expense, and then add a scarlet letter to their record which makes it harder for them to find meaningful employment when they are released from jail, making everything that you fear far more likely.

You don’t want them sticking their fingers in your pocket, and yet in the status quo, they and the state are doing just that in order to enact their failed prohibition.

thirteen28 on July 1, 2015 at 6:29 PM

Cute, but doesn’t address folks need to be free enough to be held accountable for their actions and behavior. Freedom is not sticking your greedy, pathetic, low life fingers in my wallet to bail out your lazy azz…

old school on July 2, 2015 at 12:59 AM

it’s legal to have it. It’s legal to grow it. It’s legal to give it away to your friends or to pass out “starter plants” to aspiring growers. But it’s not legal to buy or sell it. I’m trying to think if there is some sort of parallel anywhere else in state laws around the countries

The equivalent is sex, of course. You can have it, you can grow it (breast implants or penis extension), you can give it away for free, but you will go to jail if you try to buy or sell it. LOL! :)

Theophile on July 2, 2015 at 1:04 AM

it’s legal to have it. It’s legal to grow it. It’s legal to give it away to your friends or to pass out “starter plants” to aspiring growers. But it’s not legal to buy or sell it. I’m trying to think if there is some sort of parallel anywhere else in state laws around the countries

The equivalent is sex, of course. You are free to posses it, to grow it and to give it away to your friends, but you will go to jail if you try to buy or sell it. LOL! :)

Theophile on July 2, 2015 at 1:06 AM

Shower the young with free stuff and let them smoke pot and you have instant Democrat voters.

cajunpatriot on July 1, 2015 at 1:50 PM

^ Why we must oppose this, end of !@#$ing discussion. Or do you WANT to be even MORE severely outnumbered at the voting booth?

LawfulGood on July 2, 2015 at 9:57 AM

I hate to tell you this but, in my area, many companies don’t test for weed anymore because it’s use is so prevalent, and it stays in the system for so long. I asked one business owner why not test for weed? And he said he wouldn’t have any employees if he did!

kakypat on July 1, 2015 at 7:12 PM

I originally worried the potties would take a hint from the rump-rammers and sue to make drug testing illegal in the first place, but it appears this is what’s actually playing out.

Doesn’t it give you the warm fuzzies that people operating heavy machinery and installing electrical lines, just to name a couple high-risk jobs out of thousands, may be half-buzzed because their boss literally cannot find someone clean to hire and just has to cross his fingers and check his insurance?

LawfulGood on July 2, 2015 at 10:01 AM

Cute, but doesn’t address folks need to be free enough to be held accountable for their actions and behavior. Freedom is not sticking your greedy, pathetic, low life fingers in my wallet to bail out your lazy azz…

old school on July 2, 2015 at 12:59 AM

And yet, in my initial response to you, I gave a concrete example of how, under the current prohibition regime, they are doing just that right now, i.e. putting their fingers in your wallet. And you seem to be ok with that.

If you want them out of your wallet, the first step is to end unconstitutional, un-federalist national prohibition and end the insanely counterproductive war on drugs, which is costly both in terms of dollars and civil liberties.

thirteen28 on July 2, 2015 at 11:56 AM

If you want them out of your wallet, the first step is to end unconstitutional, un-federalist national prohibition and end the insanely counterproductive war on drugs, which is costly both in terms of dollars and civil liberties.

thirteen28 on July 2, 2015 at 11:56 AM

Uh, maybe you didn’t finish reading my first post…

If we had a gov’t that adhered to the constitution and a capitalist economy then I’m all in. Right now we don’t.

old school on July 1, 2015 at 4:56 PM

old school on July 2, 2015 at 12:28 PM