Important update from PennLive: Sorry that we made ourselves victims, or something
posted at 10:01 am on June 27, 2015 by Ed Morrissey
Yesterday, the editorial board of PennLive/Patriot-News declared that the Supreme Court had closed off discussion of same-sex marriage permanently on their pages. Announcing that “these unions are now the law of the land” after the Obergefell decision, any written opposition to SSM would be morally equivalent to “publish[ing] those that are racist, sexist or anti-Semitic.” After insulting a large portion of his readership by calling them bigots, editor John Micek attempts to hit reverse this morning with an apology.
Only first, Micek wants to say how truly wonderful he felt about Obergefell by describing its impact on one of his colleagues:
A smile lit up her face and there were tears in her eyes. Up until about 10 a.m. on Friday, my gay colleague sat on pins and needles, waiting to see if nine lawyers were about to throw the life and her and her partner into absolute upheaval.
We embraced and I offered my congratulations. And then I sat down and thought about what had just happened and what it meant to my other gay and lesbian colleagues who were rightfully celebrating Friday’s ruling as a victory for both love and equal protection under the law.
However, PennLive readers weren’t as enthusiastic, so Micek wanted to express “in the strongest possible terms” what kind of feedback and discussion he was willing to tolerate from the “racist, sexist, or anti-Semitic” readership Micek apparently believes he attracted. Oddly, Micek was surprised by the “unintended consequences” of assuming those who disagreed with him are nothing more than hateful bigots. One of those “unintended consequences” was being called a “fascist,” an accusation that seemingly surprised Micek, even though he was telling everyone that only his opinion would be tolerated in his newspaper.
After getting deluged with criticism, Micek decided to rethink his approach — but not before making himself the victim for a little while longer. Micek offers three points, and only the last even approaches an apology:
First: No one at PennLive and The Patriot-News is an opponent of the First Amendment. It’s a right that’s foundational to us as a people. And it’s a right for which many brave and noble men and women have given their lives. And I would never trample on that legacy or dishonor their sacrifice by limiting our readers’ right to express themselves in a civil way.
This is a dodge. The First Amendment wasn’t at issue with PennLive’s editorial (although it is in Obergefell), as the right to free speech does not include the right to publication. The issue was PennLive’s editorial practice and its contempt for dissent in any form, and its insult to people who oppose the Supreme Court’s ruling and its establishment of SSM by judicial fiat. The fact that this position was informed by an emotional moment in the newsroom makes PennLive appear even more puerile and shallow than Micek’s original declaration managed.
Next up, Micek apologizes for being a big victim of his meanie readers:
Second: And I cannot stress this one enough — that’s in a civil way. More than once yesterday I was referred to as “f****t-lover,” among other slurs. And that’s the point that I was trying to make with our statement: We will not publish such slurs any more than we would publish racist, sexist or anti-Semitic speech. There are ways to intelligently discuss an issue. The use of playground insults is not among them. And they are not welcome at PennLive/The Patriot-News.
Well, duh. No one at any newspaper publishes those kind of letters in the first place, unless they want to make the point that their readers are idiots. Micek acts as if he’s the first person in media to ever be called a bad name. Perhaps the Boss Emeritus can loan Micek one of her balls, and then they’d each have one. Let’s recall, though, what Micek wrote in the original editorial:
As a result of Friday’s ruling, PennLive/The Patriot-News will very strictly limit op-Eds [sic] and letters to the editor in opposition to same-sex marriage.
These unions are now the law of the land. And we will not publish such letters and op-Eds [sic] any more than we would publish those that are racist, sexist or anti-Semitic.
We have some major-league goalpost-moving from Micek in his second point. The original editorial didn’t state that PennLive was banning slurs, but any opposition to same-sex marriage. It was the opposition that Micek considered on par with “racist, sexist or anti-Semitic speech,” not just the slurs. Micek is misrepresenting the position he had taken less than 24 hours earlier in order to falsely position himself as a victim. He’s basically rewriting history.
Finally, Micek gets around to the point of his essay, which is to back away from his previous position:
Third: I fully recognize that there are people of good conscience and of goodwill who will disagree with Friday’s high court ruling. They include philosophers and men and women of the cloth whose objections come from deeply held religious and moral convictions that are protected by the very same First Amendment that allowed me to stick my foot in my mouth on Friday. They are, and always will be, welcome in these pages, along with all others of goodwill, who seek to have an intelligent and reasoned debate on the issues of the day.
Again, this wasn’t a First Amendment issue, but at least Micek finally allows that he erred in some fashion, rather than being victimized first by the “law of unintended consequences,” and then by readers. It was quite clear to anyone who reads English that “people of conscience and goodwill who disagree with Friday’s high court ruling” were not only not going to be considered for columns or letters entries, but that Micek and PennLive considered them on par with — I quote again — “racist, sexist, or anti-Semitic” people. These were the exact same people Micek was smearing less than 24 hours earlier, but suddenly they’re worthy of engagement. I wonder why.
So … where was the apology? It comes at the end, via Washington DC and every other politician who’s ever had to grudgingly retreat from their own stupidity:
But for those of you who were offended by what was intended as a very genuine attempt at fostering a civil discussion, I apologize.
Ah yes, the standard “sorry if you were offended by my brilliance” non-apology. How exactly is telling people to shut up “fostering a civil discussion”? How does offering a blanket smear of all critics of Obergefell as bigots qualify as “a very genuine attempt” at any kind of discussion? For that matter, how did Micek envision a “discussion” coming from his all-out ban on any opposing view in his newspaper? At the end of all this, Micek then offers an apology — not for his actions, not for all of his mean-spirited and sanctimonious posing, but because we turned out to be not quite as stupid as Micek believed we were.
Maybe Micek should stick with Play-Doh.
Update: Made two minor grammatical corrections.
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Nice analysis.
EastofEden on June 27, 2015 at 1:57 PM
Don’t confuse Clive with facts.
Del Dolemonte on June 27, 2015 at 1:57 PM
Uh, already happened.
Our democracy is a direct result of the break away from christian traditions. For one thing having kings appointed by god is a christian tradition.
Tlaloc on June 27, 2015 at 1:57 PM
And Pee Wee’s favorite holiday is..Palm Sunday.
O.K, I have to go work on my Mustang sitting in the garage,
Dammit, if only I had an Orange 69 Charger with a Confederate
Flag on the Roof!
ToddPA on June 27, 2015 at 1:58 PM
O_o
o_O
Rogerb, you are missing out on some serious nuggets here.
Bishop on June 27, 2015 at 1:59 PM
Twist?
I answered your post as soon as I got to it. I know you think it was some cunning trap but…it wasn’t.
Tlaloc on June 27, 2015 at 1:59 PM
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“Judicial decrees” that defy the “original intent” of the framers/Founding Fathers don’t count as fulfilling the Constitutional duty of the SCOTUS.
.
The “original intent” of all of those “dead guys” is worth going to bloodshed over.
That makes their “original intent” relevant.
listens2glenn on June 27, 2015 at 2:00 PM
You have been watching too much Bugsy Malone.
There’s a difference between organized crime which actively works against the system (or sometimes inside the system) and street gangs.
Organized crime syndicates don’t wantonly try to kill each other because (and get your fainting couch ready coz you’re gonna swoon) it’s not profitable. You make alliances to start and maintain underground businesses – businesses which need – PEOPLE and trusting customers.
Street Gangs, like the kind you see in urban centers are concerned with turf wars and territory. That’s why their biggest claim to fame is tagging. They don’t do it “for the money” to increase their position in life or to even help their community!
Millionaire Rappers don’t kill each other to increase their sales – They do it for prestige.
Skywise on June 27, 2015 at 2:01 PM
You really should know this stuff
Tlaloc on June 27, 2015 at 2:02 PM
Yep, I’m going to take the runts out for some wakeboarding now, the lake is beautiful today.
Sadly, my speedboat is a white Mastercraft.
Yes that’s right, it’s white and contains the word “Master” which means I chose the boat because I’ve embraced the southern societal yearnings to reintroduce slavery.
In my defense though the pontoon is a black Sun Tracker.
Bishop on June 27, 2015 at 2:04 PM
No. There is nothing in the constitution that says “this document must be interpreted according to the views of the writers.” The views of the founding fathers only have legal weight to the extent that they were written unambiguously and directly into the constitution, bill of rights, or later laws.
The federalist papers, for instance, have no bearing at all, except as historical artifacts.
Tlaloc on June 27, 2015 at 2:04 PM
What does the Left gain by giving their money to billionaires like George Soros, who has been a part-owner of Halliburton since 2006?
And how come you have absolutely no problem with Democrat billionaires outstripping their GOP counterparts in fundraising in 2014?
In fact…
Never lose your special kind of Stupid.
F-
Del Dolemonte on June 27, 2015 at 2:04 PM
It’s Americans, and you must be 5.
Toodles
Schadenfreude on June 27, 2015 at 2:06 PM
Wow! I come here to HA (lurking mostly) for the pithy and thoughtful comment give and take and I find Tlaloc’s blog. I can ignore him, why can’t the rest of you?
DemetriusPhalerum on June 27, 2015 at 2:06 PM
H+
Del Dolemonte on June 27, 2015 at 2:06 PM
I’d invite tlaloc to tag along but I have a feeling he would do nothing but biotch and complain about the white cooler located aft, the U.S. flag motif of the wakeboards, the Gadsden flag flying from the mast, and of course the uber-racist Bob Marley booming from the speakers.
Bishop on June 27, 2015 at 2:07 PM
Have a great day, brothers, Long Live Dixie.
Bishop on June 27, 2015 at 2:08 PM
The differences between street gangs and more organized groups lke the maffia and yakuza is one of degree not distinction. Street gangs are lower order and they have to fight more for territory. The set up cost for a street gang is minimal so new ones are always popping up and disappearing.
But essentially they exist to make money from crime, same as the big boys. Because there is so much chaos and churn in their particular market niche they have to be very aggressive in protecting territory. If you really think tagging is the gangs big claim to fame you’re an idiot. Gangs sell drugs, run guns and black market goods, they work in prostitution and human smuggling. The tagging is just about territory. It’s fight over market share where market share is measure in geographic terms.
Tlaloc on June 27, 2015 at 2:09 PM
PennLive = longstanding
liberalfascist rag.petefrt on June 27, 2015 at 2:12 PM
Golly… this almost sounds like we’ve been sold a simpleton and, dare I say reinterpreted view of history?
The American Civil War, Blacks Who Fought for the South
That last line doesn’t sound like he believes in White Supremacy to me…
I find this also interesting…
#ACADEMIAwins
Skywise on June 27, 2015 at 2:12 PM
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No …
How Israel was originally established, was without a “King”, or ‘line-of-royalty.’
Israel rebelled against God, and were on the brink of “voting” their own king, when God told Samuel to go to a particular young man (Saul of Kish), and “annoint” him as king.
That was Old Testament Judaism, and not New Testament Christianity.
The British Crown had usurped the practice of Christianity in England, and decreed that any practice of Christianity apart from the ‘Church Of England’ to be a felony crime.
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The original Colonists wanted to recognize and worship the Christian God in ways contrary to the British Crown, and they invoked recognition of God within the key, opening lines of the Declaration Of Independence.
Without “recognition of God”, they couldn’t justify their revolt against, and separation from the British Crown.
listens2glenn on June 27, 2015 at 2:13 PM
hasn’t even started yet. The weakness of democracy is that democracy by itself cannot restrain the most destructive instincts of man. Only Christianity can restrain man’s innate tendency to self-destruction. Democracy, absent Christianity, permits all man’s worst instincts to eventually become codified into law because ‘the majority wish it so…’ The majority of men by themselves have all the unrestrained venality and greed and dishonesty of the single unguided undisciplined individual who pursues only his appetites as the greatest good.
A nation built on only the satisfaction of the appetites cannot long endure.
clandestine on June 27, 2015 at 2:13 PM
That’s pretty funny stuff, linking to a “history site” run by a bunch of Democrat Academics. Oh, and they are also soliciting donations there via PayPal! What a country!
H+
Del Dolemonte on June 27, 2015 at 2:13 PM
You truly are delusional.
Now you bore me.
Toodles
Schadenfreude on June 27, 2015 at 2:16 PM
Ladies and Gents, this is “winning”.
Schadenfreude on June 27, 2015 at 2:17 PM
Yes, but at least it was comical :)
It’s been a ‘fun’ thread. I forget what it’s about now :)
Enjoy the day
J.
Schadenfreude on June 27, 2015 at 2:19 PM
+1 absolute waste of time
dorkintheroad on June 27, 2015 at 2:19 PM
Fixed it.
Gwillie on June 27, 2015 at 2:19 PM
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LOL
ExpressoBold on June 27, 2015 at 2:24 PM
Which means absolutely nothing. A child that now, hindsight being 20-20. The fact is all the ACADEMICS said that the Soviet Union was inviolate. Only Reagan had the balls to face them off.
itsspideyman on June 27, 2015 at 2:28 PM
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I believe this comment proves the futility of any open debate on this matter.
I believe it proves that “deadly strife” or surrender are the only options open and available to us.
.
Anyone else?
listens2glenn on June 27, 2015 at 2:30 PM
It’s both.
The Soviet Union could have continued with the help of ACADEMICS pointing to the need for the United States to enter into some form of agreement.
Following the ACADEMICS, we would have entered into trade agreements, all to the favor of the Soviet Union, which would have kept their creaky carcass going.
Instead, Reagan pushed and the USSR fell, winning the Cold War.
itsspideyman on June 27, 2015 at 2:31 PM
I’m with you, L2G. Most have already chosen sides. As it has been, so it always shall be. Who will we meet on the other side? (in this world, of course)
DemetriusPhalerum on June 27, 2015 at 2:34 PM
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
– Thomas Jefferson
I’m down with deadly strife. How bout you?
itsspideyman on June 27, 2015 at 2:35 PM
The Black Clansman
Even wrote a book
and this just for fun
Gwillie on June 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM
HALP! I Fell down and I can’t get up!
itsspideyman on June 27, 2015 at 2:39 PM
F-IXED.
Del Dolemonte on June 27, 2015 at 2:39 PM
Shooo-wee! I love it when Ed is on fire!
chuckh on June 27, 2015 at 2:39 PM
Click here to view the execrable Micek:
http://media.pennlive.com/midstate_impact/photo/img-0044jpg-61a18b694c8a1274.jpg
wow.
chuckh on June 27, 2015 at 2:41 PM
Here’s another one:
Leo Felton.
Del Dolemonte on June 27, 2015 at 2:41 PM
Sa-weet! It’s got William Shatner in it playing a racist, I gotta find that someday!
1> He sent a white cop in for all his in person appearances (Thought he did an Eddie Murphy otherwise)
2> That happened in the late 70s but the movie was filmed in the mid 60s
Skywise on June 27, 2015 at 3:02 PM
Because in the end he’s plain funny. He’s a product of some demented education and is a mouthpiece for every cliché’ ever written.
It’s funny, Tlaloc is a character in the Dune Extended Series, a philosopher who guided the Titans to 10,000 years of dictatorship over humanity. A “reformer” who believed everyone was a bunch of hedonists, he was initially dismissed as a nut job until Agamemnon, a leader bent on power, started following him. His death is comical, and it made the other Titans transfer their minds into mechanical bodies, therefore eliminating their souls. His relevance never went passed his followers and his importance died when they did.
Anyway, I get a chuckle every time I see his name.
itsspideyman on June 27, 2015 at 3:05 PM
You really should know this stuff
rogerb on June 27, 2015 at 3:07 PM
Star Bird on June 27, 2015 at 3:33 PM
I posted a link to the definition of non sequitur. You may want to review that.
Star Bird on June 27, 2015 at 3:34 PM
Could you post the exact quote from whence this screaming purportedly comes?
Star Bird on June 27, 2015 at 3:35 PM
How many socialists are there?
Star Bird on June 27, 2015 at 3:36 PM
Probably because that plan hasn’t been in place for over 40 years.
Rather, the plan that has been in place for over 40 years, is the War on Poverty.
Star Bird on June 27, 2015 at 3:39 PM
The city of Detroit begs to differ.
Star Bird on June 27, 2015 at 3:39 PM
What should we be hacking?
Star Bird on June 27, 2015 at 3:41 PM
Yet another echo chamber reference.
Hilarious!
Star Bird on June 27, 2015 at 3:42 PM
Could you describe for us what it’s like to only be able to see the world through the prism of racial illusions?
Star Bird on June 27, 2015 at 3:43 PM
Could you cite specific examples where right wing sources have been caught lying?
Star Bird on June 27, 2015 at 3:44 PM
Correct.
Modern academic drivel is plagiarized Soviet propaganda.
Star Bird on June 27, 2015 at 3:45 PM
Can you point us to that specific evidence?
Star Bird on June 27, 2015 at 3:46 PM
Why does this please you?
Star Bird on June 27, 2015 at 3:46 PM
Pssst. So did Obama, and Hillary, and ever other Southern Democrat.
Star Bird on June 27, 2015 at 3:49 PM
I’m guessing the commanders that President Obama purged could likely be enlisted.
Star Bird on June 27, 2015 at 3:51 PM
Hitler wholeheartedly agrees.
Star Bird on June 27, 2015 at 3:52 PM
The ancient Egyptians were Christian?
Star Bird on June 27, 2015 at 3:53 PM
(First of all, we live in a Republic, not a democracy.)
You have it backwards. Christians believe yes, that God ordains government, for our good, based on Romans 13. God didn’t want the Israelites to have a king – he was reluctant to answer Samuel’s plea. He knew it would be a hardship. Sometimes it’s a trial, and certainly the disciples who followed Jesus knew they would be punished because they always obeyed God first – and they were most certainly all put to death.
Secondly, the “black-robed regiment” i.e. the Presbyterian ministers, were throwing Isaac Watts hymnals at the British. When the “divine right of kings” got underway with James 1, the great Christian stampede had already begun. This particular king wanted to “harry them out of the land.” He also created his own Bible, because he disliked the anti-king footnotes in the Geneva Bible carried by such as the Pilgrims. The Reformed Christians believed that the king needed to be *just,* and that injustice needed to be tempered by the law, therefore they felt justified in fighting the likes of Charles I and George III.
Lex, Rex published in 1644 attacked kingly absolutism, stating that the law is king.
LibertyJane on June 27, 2015 at 4:10 PM
Corrected for accuracy
Gwillie on June 27, 2015 at 4:27 PM
Great read (and passion), Ed!
ShainS on June 27, 2015 at 4:53 PM
Don’t confuse the “historian” with Facts. On Tlaloc’s 9-ringed world, the word “democracy” has multiple meanings, just like the word “deposed” does. And on that same planet, Israel can “sink” a US ship without actually sinking it.
NASA should send some probes to that planet. Sounds like a fascinating place!
Del Dolemonte on June 27, 2015 at 5:58 PM
Oh Good Lord. May He please help you.
Cindy Munford on June 27, 2015 at 6:42 PM
Nonintelligent, you are the dumbest, most ignorant, and funniest troll in the history of trolls. Keep up the good work.
I assume He treats the mentally challenged kindly.
NotCoach on June 27, 2015 at 7:13 PM
Tlaloc’s knowledge of history has all the depth of a Jack Chick tract.
Written in crayon.
StubbleSpark on June 27, 2015 at 7:47 PM
Hey! Who’s gonna’ clean up this mess y’all left behind? There are bits & pieces of ‘Lumpy’
splattered all over this joint!
tanked59 on June 27, 2015 at 7:51 PM
The most amusing part of today’s episode of Tantrums from Tlaloc, is how he scolds others for “relying on right wing sources” while simultaneously accusing others of living in an echo chamber.
The lack of self awareness is remarkable even for this drone.
Star Bird on June 27, 2015 at 7:58 PM
That’s true.
Cindy Munford on June 27, 2015 at 9:45 PM
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On the other hand, if you reject any recognition of God, whatsoever….
listens2glenn on June 27, 2015 at 10:40 PM
Pennlive and The Patriot News are rags. They employ second rate hacks. Their editors are the epitome of why journalism is a joke profession these days.
tyketto on June 27, 2015 at 11:10 PM
Don’t blame Ed for the fact that most liberals are idiots. Blame political correctness and a culture that values feeling over facts.
As for 20% of liberals being “nice,” though, I think the number is a little higher than that. It just doesn’t seem like it because so many are really nasty. And I think that primarily comes from a culture that thinks conservatives are not just wrong, but evil.
There Goes the Neighborhood on June 28, 2015 at 12:11 AM
Your mistake helpfully highlighted for you. Not that you’ll get it.
The editor and you both equate any voice of opposition as hatred, and the equivalent of racism, sexism, and antisemitism. I will say that it probably wouldn’t have mattered if they had published letters in opposition, if they treated them as dripping with hate. Like most publishers, they would have found a way to dismiss it as hate speech, or had someone write a response to the letter calling it hate speech.
But really, calling it “promoting hatred” as you do is just another way to try to put the topic beyond discussion. You and the editor both share the instinct of dismissing speech you disagree with as the product of hate.
There Goes the Neighborhood on June 28, 2015 at 12:21 AM
Shorter summation of the “apology”.
Sorry guy; that’s a case of “not polite; but entirely accurate”.
When you act like a fascist, some people will call you a fascist.
Why is that surprising?
And why do you think whining about it while still maintaining what you did was a good thing is an “apology”?
There was no apology there; you claimed silencing part of a discussion was good, again. Demanded nobody call you fascist, for acting fascist. And whined about how you were now the victim somehow.
Get this guy a dictionary.
How can he work for a newspaper while not knowing what all these words mean?
gekkobear on June 28, 2015 at 12:31 AM
Sue can’t marry Ann because you can’t join two members of the same sex.
The same thing that always happens when you try to join a socket to a socket. If you want to join a socket to something, you need a plug.
The law is basically irrelevant.
BTW, Ann can have Bob’s children, but Bob can’t have Ann’s children. Sue also can’t have Ann’s children, and Ann can’t have Sue’s children.
I guess the real world is just not living up to your standard of “equal treatment.”
There Goes the Neighborhood on June 28, 2015 at 1:37 AM
So I guess they’d consider Chief Justice Roberts dissent the moral equivalent of being “racist, sexist or anti-Semitic“.
BrunoMitchell on June 28, 2015 at 1:33 PM
Only the mentally incompetent gullible brainwashed bigoted use the oxymoron “homosex-” (a lunatic delusion (homo=same+sex=opposite) ably refuted by “The gay invention” at http://www.touchstonemag.com ) any more than asininely calling people “white” or “black” when all are scientifically melanin brown of varying shades. Truth has been overthrown and replaced with lies like in the old USSR we’re now at least as bad as. They’re only perverts or sodomites. This kind of depravity also destroyed France in the late 18th cengtury as our Founders will building this Christian nation Kennedy’s antiChristian bigotry just lawlessly and treasonously outlawed in Obergefall (German for fallen over !), but eventually the French got so tired of the evil they brought in Napoleon to execute the monsters as will happen here after a decade or so, for nature abhors a moral vacuum. I wonder what the name of the leader who executes Kennedy & co for the Constitution-trashing treason will be. Only fools fail to realize history repeats itself and overthrows/destroys any fool enough to stand in the way; Kennedy’s gasous Obergefall rhetoric won’t save the fool, God save him and us.
russedav on June 30, 2015 at 1:36 PM
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