Victims’ families tell Charleston church shooter at bond hearing: We forgive you

posted at 3:21 pm on June 19, 2015 by Allahpundit

Not a sentiment that the jury’s apt to share during this guy’s sentencing, but if you want to see how seriously these Christians take their faith, just watch this.

What they’re saying is straight from the heart, no doubt, but it’s also a brilliant way to get into his head. If you believe NBC’s sources, the kindness showed to him at the Bible study meeting almost convinced him to call the whole thing off. Now here are the people whose relatives he killed extending their forgiveness not 48 hours after he murdered their mothers, fathers, brothers, and sisters. That’s a lot of humanity from people he’s convinced himself aren’t fully human for a supremacist to try to get his head around.

He’s young and there’s always hope. Maybe he’ll find a way to repent while he’s counting the hours on Death Row.


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Say you’ll never serve a gay wedding becsuse of your Christian beliefs, get rewarded as conservatives flood you with cash.

But we all know that no one on the Christian Right is raising money for this church or these victims.

libfreeordie on June 19, 2015 at 4:11 PM

Another person with no clue about Christian doctrine or principles.

How much money is the Atheist Left raising for them?

AesopFan on June 19, 2015 at 4:51 PM

Forgiveness operates in the soul of the forgiver, and they were concerned about the family of the murderer, who bore no responsibility for his actions.

AesopFan on June 19, 2015 at 4:40 PM

Stuff it. I already posted that I know why they do it but I still disagree. And yes, in my experience they will advocate for a lesser punishment then he deserves. We do not live in a theocracy and I want to keep it that way.

Blake on June 19, 2015 at 4:52 PM

Say you’ll never serve a gay wedding becsuse of your Christian beliefs, get rewarded as conservatives flood you with cash.

But we all know that no one on the Christian Right is raising money for this church or these victims.

libfreeordie on June 19, 2015 at 4:11 PM

1.) People from all walks of life are donating. And I bet many of them are in that so-called “Christian Right” (whatever that is).

2.) Do you work hard at being this stupid, or is it just natural talent?

Indefatigable on June 19, 2015 at 4:52 PM

libfreeordie on June 19, 2015 at 4:11 PM

Please post a receipt of the money you’ve donated to the Mother Emanuel Church victim’s fund.

Wassat? What? You didn’t even know the fund existed? Huh.

Bishop on June 19, 2015 at 4:20 PM

You can find a link and other information here:
http://time.com/3926610/charleston-shooting-victims-help/
Very unlikely that there are no donations coming from Christians or Conservatives.

AesopFan on June 19, 2015 at 4:54 PM

Say you’ll never serve a gay wedding becsuse of your Christian beliefs, get rewarded as conservatives flood you with cash.

But we all know that no one on the Christian Right is raising money for this church or these victims.

libfreeordie on June 19, 2015 at 4:11 PM

Do we know that? The sun has set only once since the shooting occurred and since the suspect has been apprehended. People have been consumed in the massacre, the manhunt, and the apprehension. Presumably, the families, the Charleston community, and other South Carolinians ON THE GROUND are tending to their immediate needs. In the days and weeks to follow, I assume that the near-term and long-term needs of the survivors of these victims are going to be assessed and addressed.

How dare you hurl those kinds of accusations at anyone who comments or visits here? Your comment was about the most ridiculous and false I’ve ever seen here.

Almost always, the best thing for anyone to do in the immediate aftermath of death is brace the sufferers and STFU.

BuckeyeSam on June 19, 2015 at 4:56 PM

Say you’ll never serve a gay wedding becsuse of your Christian beliefs, get rewarded as conservatives flood you with cash.

But we all know that no one on the Christian Right is raising money for this church or these victims.

General John Stark on June 19, 2015 at 4:11 PM

Wow, never lose your special kind of Stupid.

F+

The Hawaiian Dog Eating King who you voted for in 2008 and 2012 immediately used the Newtown Massacre to…raise money for the Democrat Party. So did other Democrats.

“In the wake of the horror of the December 14, 2012, massacre of 20 beautiful children and 6 dedicated educators,” Blumenthal is asking supporters to send money to his 2016 re-election campaign! “As your senator, I will continue fighting for the rights of all the people, not the special interests. But I need your help,” Blumenthal wrote in an email to supporters Thursday morning. “Please contribute $5 now as the Senate debate continues on common-sense gun reform legislation this week.” Constant fundraising and the recent trend of fundraising off real-time reaction to the news of the moment have officially jumped the shark, courtesy of Blumenthal’s tasteless auto-appeal. . . .

F- #1.

When Democrats Raised Money Off the Newtown School Shooting

F- #2.

And earlier this week, after your Hawaiian King used this Charleston shooting to politicize gun control, he then immediately hopped on Air Force 1 to go…fundraising.

F- #3.

Del Dolemonte on June 19, 2015 at 5:04 PM

I just heard the families on the television. I am crying, how can that monster just stand there?

Cindy Munford on June 19, 2015 at 5:06 PM

Wow! These brave Americans are making all those riding their favorite hobby horse look like fools. These good people give me hope for America.

d1carter on June 19, 2015 at 5:07 PM

These folks are better Christians than I. I cannot think of
A more heinous act. I would want to kill him…not with a
Gun, but with my bare hands.
Physically sick from this story…..

ToddPA on June 19, 2015 at 5:09 PM

I just heard the families on the television. I am crying, how can that monster just stand there?

Cindy Munford on June 19, 2015 at 5:06 PM

For the same reason he could kill all those people. Damaged inside. Lost. However you want to say it.

LashRambo on June 19, 2015 at 5:13 PM

The righteous man perishes; and no one lays it to heart.
devout men are taken away,
while no one understands.
For the righteous man is taken away from calamity,
he enters into peace;
they rest in their beds
who walk in their uprightness. Isaiah 57:1-2

Knowing how I respond to lesser offenses against me, I doubt if I would be forgiving
but I know my anger would be tempered with the knowledge that my loved ones had finally made it.

Cleombrotus on June 19, 2015 at 5:14 PM

Yeah. They have way more resolve than I have.

bmmg39 on June 19, 2015 at 5:14 PM

I’ve represented defendants in many hundreds of bond hearings. (That’s not an exaggeration; I probably averaged around 10 a week for 12 years as a PD.) I’ve never seen or even heard of a bond hearing being run like that one. I’m not familiar with SC law, but that hearing was grossly prejudicial to the defendant, from the judge’s initial statements which assumed guilt to the admission of the witness statements. Neither had anything to do with the issues at a bond hearing, which are the defendant’s potential threat to the community and the probability he can be trusted to return for subsequent hearings if granted bond.

He’s clearly dangerous and the stakes make him a profound flight risk. That hearing should have taken all of 10 minutes, at the most, with zero fanfare that threatens the integrity of the proceedings and the defendant’s right to a fair trial. Unless SC law is very, very different from any other state law I’m familiar with, that judge can expect a motion from the defense to remove him from the case, and possibly a motion for change of venue to escape the prejudicial effect s of that hearing on the jury pool.

I wonder if that judge is appointed or elected. Is he a politician, or is he another Judge Ito, milking the spotlight just because it’s gratifying?

novaculus on June 19, 2015 at 4:50 PM

How can someone be “clearly dangerous” if they haven’t been convicted of anything? Also many, many people who were deemed “clearly dangerous” and denied bond are routinely released from prison on parole. How does that work? Are they no longer dangerous?

At any rate, this whole thing stinks. The guy might as well be named Dylann Klebold Storm Front Lanza.

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 19, 2015 at 5:16 PM

Say you’ll never serve a gay wedding becsuse of your Christian beliefs, get rewarded as conservatives flood you with cash.

But we all know that no one on the Christian Right is raising money for this church or these victims.

libfreeordie on June 19, 2015 at 4:11 PM

At times like this, even the hyper-partsisan are usually capable of acknowledging an unmitigated good and setting aside differences. Clearly, you cannot, demonstrating unequivocally that you are a sad person devoid of any sound character. The world doesn’t need your malevolence any more than it needs this vile murderer. Do the world a favor a just disappear. You won’t be missed.

dorkintheroad on June 19, 2015 at 5:17 PM

It takes a lot of spiritual courage for the victims’ families to “forgive” this murderer, as Saint John Paul II publicly “forgave” Ali Agca, who shot him in 1981 (without killing him).

Even if the victims’ families “forgive” him, Dylann Roof should still be locked up for life, to prevent him from killing other innocent people.

Steve Z on June 19, 2015 at 5:38 PM

justltl on June 19, 2015 at 4:21 PM

Not a problem. George Washington always bears repeating!

INC on June 19, 2015 at 5:39 PM

Why do these lunatics always have cold dead eyes … ?

jawkneemusic on June 19, 2015 at 4:11 PM

I presume the ‘cold dead eyes’ is because he is now in a state of stress far beyond what his mind and emotions would ordinarily experience and so his mind and emotions have automatically “switched off” as a coping mechanism.

I’d expect some of the victims’ relatives to have similarly blank expressions, and for much the same reason.

YiZhangZhe on June 19, 2015 at 5:39 PM

Their ability to forgive really is a demonstration of the power of Christ. It takes no strength at all to blow up and verbalize threats or curse. It takes tremendous strength to be able to put your hurt aside and forgive someone who hurt you so deeply. This is a true Religion of Peace.

ssrrray on June 19, 2015 at 5:39 PM

Indeed powerful to hear these folks offer words of forgiveness to a man who had just brutally murdered their loved ones. And no question it’s an example of the grace many find through their faith.
May it find them some peace and comfort, that they have this strength.

verbaluce on June 19, 2015 at 6:07 PM

Indeed powerful to hear these folks offer words of forgiveness to a man who had just brutally murdered their loved ones. And no question it’s an example of the grace many find through their faith.
May it find them some peace and comfort, that they have this strength.

verbaluce on June 19, 2015 at 6:07 PM

Well said.

AesopFan on June 19, 2015 at 6:10 PM

I wonder what the guy always running around hotair saying how Blacks are inferior to Whites in every way feels about this. Hey guy, where are you?

Politricks on June 19, 2015 at 3:25 PM

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RobbieT had a close encounter with Ed’s SMOD. Ed: 1; RobbieT: banned.

Mommys Little Darling on June 19, 2015 at 3:28 PM

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I had to go hunt this one down, because I missed out on it.
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[Comment and others like it deleted, user banned — Ed]

RobbieT on May 23, 2015 at 11:59 AM

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I was clueless, until I read MLD‘s comment.

Thanks for asking, Politricks !

listens2glenn on June 19, 2015 at 6:11 PM

novaculus on June 19, 2015 at 4:50 PM

I’ve heard that he has confessed, does that make any difference?

Cindy Munford on June 19, 2015 at 6:14 PM

Not Christian, to me forgiveness is when you acknowledge that your accounts have been balanced. I’ll forgive the murderer when he shares his victims’ fate.

Count to 10 on June 19, 2015 at 4:30 PM

It’s fascinating to me that you would use that terminology when you’re not a Christian because the accounting language is used in the New Testament about sin, righteousness, faith, and forgiveness.

This is from Colossians 2:

13 When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, 14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.

Christians know our accounts have been balanced by the Lord Jesus. Our certificate of debt was paid by the death of Christ. The debt’s not only are zeroed out, but now we are in the plus column because in Christ we are made righteous. From 2 Corinthians 5:

20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. 21 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

More accounting terms about sin, righteousness, and faith in Jesus Christ. From Romans 4:

…For we say, “Faith was credited to Abraham as righteousness.”

Therefore it was also credited to him as righteousness. Now not for his sake only was it written that it was credited to him, but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead, He who was delivered over because of our transgressions, and was raised because of our justification.

This is why they can offer forgiveness. They know their own debt is marked paid in full.

Jesus used similar terminology in the Lord’s Prayer in Matthew 6, when He said, “And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors,” and in Matthew 18, when He told the parable of the debtor to drive the point home about forgiveness. It’s about the man who owed the king 10,000 talents (a talent was about 20 years wages for a laborer) and the king forgave him, but then the man turned around and beat and threw into prison another man who only owed him a 100 denarii (a denarius was about a day’s wage for a laborer).

That’s why those people can offer forgiveness to the guy who did them grievous harm.

INC on June 19, 2015 at 6:15 PM

Indeed powerful to hear these folks offer words of forgiveness to a man who had just brutally murdered their loved ones. And no question it’s an example of the grace many find through their faith.

May it find them some peace and comfort, that they have this strength.

verbaluce on June 19, 2015 at 6:07 PM

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Well said.

AesopFan on June 19, 2015 at 6:10 PM

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They found the “strength”, because they already had the “peace and comfort”.
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It’s a very important distinction.

listens2glenn on June 19, 2015 at 6:17 PM

I hate to dissent here, but in order to be forgiven doesn’t one have to first be sorry? Has the murder indicated he is remorseful in any way?

MikeRuss on June 19, 2015 at 3:35 PM

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Whether the perpetrator repents or not is irrelevant to any victim, but the Christian believer has no excuse.

Failure to forgive causes resentment, and grudge holding, within those who are directly affected by the perpetrator’s trespass against them.

Resentment and grudge holding will eat you up, from the inside out, and ultimately ruin your life, as well.
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I sure wouldn’t forgive someone who murdered one of my family members until I saw some serious remorse (and even then, I don’t know that I’d be able to say those words). Regardless, I’m glad he’s captured and if anyone deserves to fry it’s this guy.

MikeRuss on June 19, 2015 at 3:35 PM

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Do you know Jesus Christ as Savior and LORD?

listens2glenn on June 19, 2015 at 6:34 PM

Have there been any reports that Roof was a member of any white supremacist groups or anything like that?

Neitherleftorright on June 19, 2015 at 6:37 PM

Say you’ll never serve a gay wedding becsuse of your Christian beliefs, get rewarded as conservatives flood you with cash.
 
But we all know that no one on the Christian Right is raising money for this church or these victims.
 
libfreeordie on June 19, 2015 at 4:11 PM

 
A day late and a dollar short, professor. Take it away, Charlie:
 

I don’t know about you, but I am writing a check to the church.
 
Emanuel AME Church
110 Calhoun St
Charleston, SC 29401
 
For those who would like to use their credit cards:
 
http://www.emanuelamechurch.org/
 
SC.Charlie on June 18, 2015 at 6:37 PM

rogerb on June 19, 2015 at 6:43 PM

Say you’ll never serve a gay wedding becsuse of your Christian beliefs, get rewarded as conservatives flood you with cash.

But we all know that no one on the Christian Right is raising money for this church or these victims.

libfreeordie on June 19, 2015 at 4:11 PM

:sigh: Oh Father, please give me the strength.

There are some issues in life that will/should transcend politics, racial or otherwise.

You really think those victims give a s**t they were taken from thier loved ones by a white guy or black guy or whomever?

Are you REALLY REALLY that *bleep*ing ignorant?

How much money have YOU donated, or do you think suck-starting another Progressive Narrative Production is payment enough?

BlaxPac on June 19, 2015 at 7:07 PM

I am an atheist and these christians brought tear tears to my eyes.
such good people. i will always stand by those whose chose love over hate, no matter what they believe. why? i don’t know, just cannot help myself thinking this way.

nathor on June 19, 2015 at 7:11 PM

Have there been any reports that Roof was a member of any white supremacist groups or anything like that?

Neitherleftorright on June 19, 2015 at 6:37 PM

Curiously, no. They could easily say he’s in the Klan or some such group…it’s not like anyone in the lazy media would actually ask for proof.

Seems they’re going with the generalized memes about guns and racism.

Lo and behold, it turns out that Lindsey Graham’s niece knew this punk and has weighed in:

In a phone interview, Mr. Graham’s niece, Emillie Boggs, 20, said she was “in shock” when she learned that the suspect was Mr. Roof, who she sat near in eighth-grade English class.

“He wasn’t necessarily antisocial, but he was awkwardly social,” said Ms. Boggs, a senior at the University of South Carolina. “He was kind of quiet and he only talked when he kind of had to, but he wasn’t mean. He was just strange.”

The plot thickens…

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 19, 2015 at 7:24 PM

This is why they can offer forgiveness. They know their own debt is marked paid in full.

Jesus used similar terminology in the Lord’s Prayer in Matthew 6, when He said, “And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors,” and in Matthew 18, when He told the parable of the debtor to drive the point home about forgiveness. It’s about the man who owed the king 10,000 talents (a talent was about 20 years wages for a laborer) and the king forgave him, but then the man turned around and beat and threw into prison another man who only owed him a 100 denarii (a denarius was about a day’s wage for a laborer).

That’s why those people can offer forgiveness to the guy who did them grievous harm.

INC on June 19, 2015 at 6:15 PM

Agreed.

The wording in the Catholic version of the Lord’s Prayer (Pater Noster) is “Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us”

The Lord’s Prayer in Latin:

PATER noster, qui es in caelis, sanctificetur nomen tuum. Adveniat regnum tuum. Fiat voluntas tua, sicut in caelo et in terra. Panem nostrum quotidianum da nobis hodie, et dimitte nobis debita nostra sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. Et ne nos inducas in tentationem, sed libera nos a malo. Amen.

The Lord’s Prayer in English:

OUR Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen.

Pope Saint John Paul II forgave the man who attempted to assassinate him…met with him in prison and with his family.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/man-who-shot-pope-john-paul-ii-in-1981-brings-white-roses-to-late-pontiffs-tomb-131805/

I pray this murderer repents as his immortal soul is in grave jeopardy.

I pray the families of his victims and the congregation of the church are strengthened in their faith during this terrible time of grief.

I pray for the good people of South Carolina

workingclass artist on June 19, 2015 at 7:37 PM

Somehow, I don’t think he’s going to be able to count many hours after he lands on death row. Prison justice may ensure he never makes it to the first appeal.

Mr. Bultitude on June 19, 2015 at 11:39 PM

Do you know Jesus Christ as Savior and LORD?

listens2glenn on June 19, 2015 at 6:34 PM

Perhaps if you hum a few bars. . . .

Younggod on June 20, 2015 at 7:08 AM

But we all know that no one on the Christian Right is raising money for this church or these victims.

libfreeordie on June 19, 2015 at 4:11 PM

We do? How do we know that?

Especially since the Pastor of that church, who was one of those murdered, was a Republican politician?

As I said, never lose your special kind of Stupid.

F-

Del Dolemonte on June 20, 2015 at 10:23 AM

Lo and behold, it turns out that Lindsey Graham’s niece knew this punk and has weighed in:

In a phone interview, Mr. Graham’s niece, Emillie Boggs, 20, said she was “in shock” when she learned that the suspect was Mr. Roof, who she sat near in eighth-grade English class.

“He wasn’t necessarily antisocial, but he was awkwardly social,” said Ms. Boggs, a senior at the University of South Carolina. “He was kind of quiet and he only talked when he kind of had to, but he wasn’t mean. He was just strange.”

The plot thickens…

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 19, 2015 at 7:24 PM

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There’s no doubt in my mind he’s “on-the-spectrum” (autism), and probably never had it diagnosed.

listens2glenn on June 20, 2015 at 2:53 PM

But we all know that no one on the Christian Right is raising money for this church or these victims.

libfreeordie on June 19, 2015 at 4:11 PM

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Who’s “we”? . . . . . You ain’t got no relevant knowledge, and I don’t concede to “know” any such thing.
Pure, unadulterated projection … period.

listens2glenn on June 20, 2015 at 2:59 PM

THAT is the power that overcomes!

They released him and his ability to hurt them.

God bless them.

PappyD61 on June 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM

Christian idiots. If he’s forgiven, then let him go! See how that works out for ya!

thejackal on June 21, 2015 at 3:56 PM

Christian idiots. If he’s forgiven, then let him go! See how that works out for ya!

thejackal on June 21, 2015 at 3:56 PM

The obedience to Christ of individual Christians in offering forgiveness to those who have sinned against them should not be conflated with the God-given role of government to execute justice.

Romans 13:

Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.

INC on June 21, 2015 at 4:50 PM

Of course, that’s not to say that all governments faithfully execute justice.

Proverbs 29:

When the righteous increase, the people rejoice,
But when a wicked man rules, people groan….

The king gives stability to the land by justice,
But a man who takes bribes overthrows it….

If a ruler pays attention to falsehood,
All his ministers become wicked.

Nor is it to say that Christians are to obey government authority when its laws conflict with God’s law and righteousness.

Acts 5:

But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men.”

That’s why Christians are already speaking of civil disobedience if SCOTUS rules against marriage.

INC on June 21, 2015 at 5:02 PM

But we all know…

libfreeordie on June 19, 2015 at 4:11 PM

“We” who? Got a mouse in yer pocket?

GrumpyOldFart on June 22, 2015 at 1:50 PM