Rand Paul on how “white kids don’t get the same justice”

posted at 2:41 pm on June 10, 2015 by Jazz Shaw

Rand Paul made a rather unusual pitch in Baltimore yesterday as part of his presidential campaign. He was back on the topic of criminal justice reform (which is certainly a valid issue for discussion) and invoked a number of criminal cases which highlight potential areas for improvement. He talked about the recently deceased Kalief Browder, a case which should obviously concern everyone given that nobody should sit in jail for that long without a trial on such a minor charge.

But after those comments, Paul moved on (as so many do) to try to roll one specific case up with a bunch of others and take it to the ten thousand foot level. This is where many potentially productive discussions tend to dive down rabbit holes and break down into sniping contests. The Kentucky senator didn’t do himself any favors when he decided to conflate multiple cases and then contradict his own message in a matter of moments.

“The Democrats have utterly failed our inner cities, and utterly failed the poor,” Mr. Paul said. “Don’t let them tell us it wasn’t them. A lot of these policies came from Bill Clinton. In Ferguson, for every 100 black women, there are 60 black men. That’s because 40 are incarcerated. Am I saying they did nothing wrong and it’s all racism? No. What I am telling you is that white kids don’t get the same justice. … The arrests in Baltimore are 15 to one black to white for marijuana arrests.”

Right after injecting the white kids don’t get the same justice comment, he turned around and tried to soft pedal the racism angle.

Mr. Paul also mentioned Richard Jewell, the suspect in the 1996 bombing at the Atlanta Olympics, as an example of how bad policing could affect anyone.

“I’m not saying it’s racism,” he said. “Many officials are black, so it’s not racism. But something’s wrong with the war on drugs that we decide to lock people up for 5, 10, 15 years.”

There are so many different issues to pick out of that mess that it’s tough to know where to start. But if Paul wants to win over any open minded audiences, starting by invoking Ferguson isn’t the way to go. There are certainly incidents of questionable police behavior from time to time, but even President Obama’s Justice Department scrapped the Ferguson case, determining that the officer there did nothing wrong. And the usual caveat of, “I’m not justifying the violence in the streets, but” (which he did before the quoted text) doesn’t allay that.

Either you think the problem is rampant racism on the part of the government and law enforcement or you don’t. You really can’t have it both ways, particularly when you’re running for high office. If you honestly think that there’s a different system of justice for each of the races, then own that sentiment and come out and say it and we can debate it at length. This bouncing back and forth with contradictory comments isn’t advancing the discussion.

Rand Paul has been making a loud, repeated case for expanding the GOP tent, getting more minority voters involved with conservative causes and diversifying the party’s base of support. That’s great, and I agree with the goal 100%. There are a variety of hot issues where recent polling shows that conservatives could be doing a lot better with both black and Hispanic voters if they could break down the initial barriers to discussion and find common ground. But when the speaker goes fully to the extreme and essentially starts yelling No Justice No Peace at a presser by invoking a claim of two systems of justice, that has the distinct odor of pandering. I don’t care about people agreeing with my own governmental philosophy because they are white or because they are black or anything else of the kind. I would like to see an expanded group of people who can agree on positive growth principles in spite of whatever color their skin might be. I’m not sure if Rand is really grasping that when puts on a show like this.


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Joe Mama on June 10, 2015 at 2:43 PM

/groan. Rand, how can you be so right on the Constitution then so wrong on nearly everything else?

Could the problem black kids/adolescents/adults run into have something to do with the fact that BLACK FATHERS are more likely to be absent in their home?

Could that be one of the reasons why blacks OVERACHIEVE all other races only in the commission of violent crime and welfare participation?

These are problems the Black Community has and will have to solve ITSELF. It would be arrogant and racist of me, as a white male to suggest I have the answers but it’s safe to say that what they are doing NOW isn’t working and has to change if they want to see different results.

ConstantineXI on June 10, 2015 at 2:47 PM

What I am telling you is that white kids don’t get the same justice. … The arrests in Baltimore are 15 to one black to white for marijuana arrests.”

Maybe rand should start talking about why blacks commit more crime than whites instead of blaming whites for not getting arrested enough.

This is why I wrote him off.

nobar on June 10, 2015 at 2:48 PM

It’s true. I grew up in the ‘burbs and we got away with near murder.
The problem is most poor/black people are more likely to live in areas with heavy police patrols so they are more likely to have their lives ruined than a kid doing drugs in the suburbs/gated community.

weedisgood on June 10, 2015 at 2:50 PM

Rand Paul is a crackpot.

It would be nice living next door to Paul. You would always know when there was a full moon. You’d hear him outside barking at it.

jaime on June 10, 2015 at 2:52 PM

It’s true. I grew up in the ‘burbs and we got away with near murder.

Is there something you’d like to share with the rest of us, weed?

Or was that the bong talking?

nobar on June 10, 2015 at 2:53 PM

Baltimore Prosecutor Asked Police to Target Area Where Freddie Gray Was Arrested

Akzed on June 10, 2015 at 2:54 PM

Get rid of all the drug laws, all problems solved, that seems to be the view.

BushyGreen on June 10, 2015 at 2:54 PM

determining that the officer there did nothing wrong.

In that specific case, but the justice department did say things were definitely not quite right in general policing there. Which is exactly, Rand’s point.

bds1976 on June 10, 2015 at 2:54 PM

It’s true. I grew up in the ‘burbs and we got away with near murder.
The problem is most poor/black people are more likely to live in areas with heavy police patrols so they are more likely to have their lives ruined than a kid doing drugs in the suburbs/gated community.

weedisgood on June 10, 2015 at 2:50 PM

Sure you did.

Police go where the crime is. Which is where blacks live. They have only themselves to blame.

ConstantineXI on June 10, 2015 at 2:54 PM

The arrests in Baltimore are 15 to one black to white for marijuana arrests

The drug deals in my (mostly white) circle of friends that went down in our 20s were done behind closed doors, not out on the streets. That’s why we didn’t get arrested. If you do a drug deal in plain sight of a cop, expect to be arrested.

The times I got pulled over, I always politely said “yes officer” or “no officer.” Being polite goes a long way.

rbj on June 10, 2015 at 2:55 PM

Fine. Make your base the voters that aren’t going to come this way anyway. Well, some may if we were rock solid against amnesty and gay marriage. But Paul has already gone soft on gay marriage.

And on amnesty, from Rand Paul we get this:

In this video Rand makes his lax immigration / pro-amnesty position clear: http://youtu.be/TLHYEtunyrA

Rand Paul says: “We want them to come and pick our crops — the farmers want them to come.”

No. “We” are NOT the farmers! The farmers are selfishly selling are country down the river, or, down the toilet I should say. Funny how all these corporate interests want to flood the country with cheap labor to help their business, but once this flood of leftists takes over we will have full out redistribution and the poetic justice will be that these business owners will probably lose their business and wealth because of this unstoppable tide of socialist immigrants.

——————– —————- —–

And btw, the farmers don’t need this massive flood of illegals. Without the illegals the crops would still be picked, with slightly higher wages, and with the cost of a bit more automation. But the farmers don’t want that. No, we are not the farmers. Rand has it wrong.

The cheap labor argument is bs: http://www.vdare.com/article/economic-man-turning-against-mass-immigratio

An excerpt from the above article:

If you ever get into an argument about immigration, sooner or later (probably sooner) somebody will majestically inform you, “But immigrants take jobs that Americans won`t do. Without immigrants, lettuce would cost 10 dollars a head.” [BUT].. the labor that goes into producing a head of lettuce accounts for a measly 10 percent of its retail price…

Eduardo Porter [in his NYT article] went through the facts and figures — about how the cheap labor that mass immigration provides has helped keep American farm technology in the Dark Ages and caused American agriculture to wither in the face of global competition — and how the federal government has helped undermine the American farmer on behalf of Third World immigrants.

anotherJoe on June 10, 2015 at 2:55 PM

I m so tired of people making excuses for blacks.

The Notorious G.O.P on June 10, 2015 at 2:56 PM

But something’s wrong with the war on drugs that we decide to lock people up for 5, 10, 15 years.”

In real wars, we kill people. And thats forever.

BobMbx on June 10, 2015 at 2:57 PM

The problem is most poor/black people are more likely to live in areas with heavy police patrols so they are more likely to have their lives ruined than a kid doing drugs in the suburbs/gated community.

weedisgood on June 10, 2015 at 2:50 PM

and don’t forget if they lived near a coastline and had a boat, things would be much better for them.

arnold ziffel on June 10, 2015 at 3:00 PM

Rand Paul probably would have accomplished more if he had stuck to the subject matter of drug laws and stayed out of the ” social inequality” and SJW arenas.

lineholder on June 10, 2015 at 3:01 PM

But something’s wrong with the war on drugs that we decide to lock people up for 5, 10, 15 years.

Strawman. The long sentences are for the crimes – robbery, rape, murder, whatver – a druggie commits while stoned. i.e. multiple charges.

whatcat on June 10, 2015 at 3:01 PM

hissssssssssssssssssssss….. the air keeps escaping the Paul balloon.

Neitherleftorright on June 10, 2015 at 3:01 PM

That does it.Thankfully Rand the Loon will never get the nomination,because if he did I would work hard as hell to get people to stay home.

redware on June 10, 2015 at 3:02 PM

It’s true. I grew up in the ‘burbs and we got away with near murder.
The problem is most poor/black people are more likely to live in areas with heavy police patrols so they are more likely to have their lives ruined than a kid doing drugs in the suburbs/gated community.

weedisgood on June 10, 2015 at 2:50 PM

Which suburb of Moscow? or is St Petersburg?

Oil Can on June 10, 2015 at 3:03 PM

Wasn’t Rand going to run for president? Oh well.

Ellis on June 10, 2015 at 3:03 PM

The arrests in Baltimore are 15 to one black to white for marijuana arrests

How much do you wanna bet these so called marijuana arrests where not the primary reason for the arrest but an added charge.

Let’s say group A and B both have marijuana on them. Group A other than possessing marijuana don’t commit much crime. Group B commits crime at a rate 9 times higher than group A. Of course group B is going to have a higher rate of marijuana arrests when they are added on to the other charges that were the min reason for the arrest.

The Notorious G.O.P on June 10, 2015 at 3:03 PM

and don’t forget if they lived near a coastline and had a boat, things would be much better for them.

arnold ziffel on June 10, 2015 at 3:00 PM

And that white teens living in the suburbs have near constant wild pool parties and not only does no one call the police, they won’t come because the kids are white.
whiteweedisgoodprivilege

Neitherleftorright on June 10, 2015 at 3:06 PM

weedisgood on June 10, 2015 at 2:50 PM

You have some white guilt issues, don’t you, weed?

lineholder on June 10, 2015 at 3:06 PM

You have some white guilt issues, don’t you, weed?

lineholder on June 10, 2015 at 3:06 PM

Fixed it to more accurately reflect his mental state.

Neitherleftorright on June 10, 2015 at 3:09 PM

Rand Pander Paul

John the Libertarian on June 10, 2015 at 3:09 PM

Rand Paul thought Cochran’s black voter outreach efforts(aka play the race card) in Missouri were a good idea. It’s one reason of many why I won’t be pulling any lever for him if he’s the candidate. I can get this kind of nonsense from Al Sharpton.

xblade on June 10, 2015 at 3:09 PM

That does it.Thankfully Rand the Loon will never get the nomination,because if he did I would work hard as hell to get people to stay home.

redware on June 10, 2015 at 3:02 PM

Considering how awful the GOP has become, I don’t think you’d need to work too hard the way it is.

whatcat on June 10, 2015 at 3:11 PM

How does that go now? Something about being silent and having people suspect you are a fool and then stopping right there rather than confirming it?

VorDaj on June 10, 2015 at 3:12 PM

Neitherleftorright on June 10, 2015 at 3:09 PM

Well, I’m not now nor have I ever been a partaker of weed, so I’ll have to take your word for it ;-)

lineholder on June 10, 2015 at 3:13 PM

You have some white guilt issues, don’t you, weed?

lineholder on June 10, 2015 at 3:06 PM

He’s a liberal, so issues is the key word. A lot more issues than just white guilt.

jaime on June 10, 2015 at 3:14 PM

dumb Paul-itics 101

fail

maybe a Paul-Sharpton ticket

or a Paul-weedishigh

Senator Philip Bluster on June 10, 2015 at 3:17 PM

weedisgood on June 10, 2015 at 2:50 PM

Dude,

I grew up in a place called Lake View Terrace (not like the movie of the same name) from the mid-60s until the early 70s. It is in the northern San Fernando Valley, east of Sylmar and north of Van Nuys. At the time, it was around 70% black, 10-15% Hispanic, 5-10% Asian (Philippino, Korean, Vietnamese), 5-10% White. The area could certainly have been called suburban, but it was a four-block stroll to Van Nuys Blvd, which was the center of life in the mid-Valley in those days.

This is also less than 30 miles from Watts, Compton, and South Central L.A., during a time that was still getting over the riots.

So here’s my point. Having a patrol car appear in the neighborhood was a rare event. That sounds like it backs up your idiocy, but not quite. Our black neighbors were every bit as decent and pleasant folks as anyone else. I would say that if any of them had previously lived in worse areas (this was not a great area, but it was quiet), then they had the self-respect to work their way out of them.

As Constantine said, the Police go where there is trouble. They had no need to patrol around us.

The problem isn’t the concentrated police presence, as you suggest. It is the concentrated un-civil behavior of too many of the residents of those areas. That isn’t a black thing, it’s a lack-of-respect thing. It’s unfortunate that the race-baiters have convinced those that they pretend to support, that they can’t do anything without everyone else’s help. It creates the notion of helplessness which leads to un-civil behavior, and becomes a self-replicating problem. But each individual has the ability to disbelieve those lies, and have more self-respect than that. They cannot blame society for their personal actions, just as nobody else is to blame for your dope-addled state.

We were not in poverty, but we were poor. So were most folks who lived near us. Lower middle class at best. And that was simply not allowed to be an excuse for bad behavior. People had standards. You wouldn’t understand.

Freelancer on June 10, 2015 at 3:17 PM

Well, I’m not now nor have I ever been a partaker of weed, so I’ll have to take your word for it ;-)

lineholder on June 10, 2015 at 3:13 PM

I must confess I did try it out for a short stint in college. I stopped when I realized it just made me feel, hungry, tired and stupid. I figured I feel like that most of the time anyway, why should I spend money on a drug to increase that?

Neitherleftorright on June 10, 2015 at 3:18 PM

And btw, the farmers don’t need this massive flood of illegals. Without the illegals the crops would still be picked, with slightly higher wages, and with the cost of a bit more automation.

Or they’d come from Canada. Bought a tomato today in the grocery store and it had a made in Canada sticker on it. Never seen that before.

xblade on June 10, 2015 at 3:19 PM

This guy never fails to disappoint me. When ever I think I will give him a second look he comes out and says something stupid. I cant remember anyone who pimps himself for votes more then Rand Paul. That must be what happened to his dad. When you accept everything, you obviously believe in nothing.

pwb on June 10, 2015 at 3:22 PM

13% of the population committed 52% of all homicides. That would be black people. Jim Carey said it:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbOtyWTRZ_g

faol on June 10, 2015 at 3:23 PM

Neitherleftorright on June 10, 2015 at 3:18 PM

ROFL!

Sounds like I didn’t miss out on much, then.

lineholder on June 10, 2015 at 3:25 PM

But after those comments, Paul moved on (as so many do) to try to roll one specific case up with a bunch of others and take it to the ten thousand foot level. This is where many potentially productive discussions tend to dive down rabbit holes and break down into sniping contests.

Much in the way of mixed metaphors, Jazz?!? Yumpin’ Yiminy!

GWB on June 10, 2015 at 3:25 PM

Sounds like I didn’t miss out on much, then.

lineholder on June 10, 2015 at 3:25 PM

Not at all. In fact, I really do wish I would have missed it too.

Neitherleftorright on June 10, 2015 at 3:29 PM

Either you think the problem is rampant racism on the part of the government and law enforcement or you don’t.

What utter crap. There’s racism in policing, because there are human beings in policing. There’s also some racism in the origins of the war on drugs in the first place, when it was mainly Hispanic and black people who were the targets of the legislation. Those are certainly problems but they are not “the problem”. The War on Drugs is a problem in and of itself absent any consideration of racism. Relations between non-white communities particularly sort of low-income, disaffected youth, and police, and incarceration rates, would almost certainly improve in the absence of law enforcement sniffing around trying to prevent private transactions from occurring, but there are lots of other reasons to stop it as well. But the idea that Rand Paul can’t discuss racism in law enforcement without excluding from the discussion other issues is just pure stupidity.

Progressive Heretic on June 10, 2015 at 3:30 PM

Rand doesn’t pass the Sniff Test, unfortunately.

Christien on June 10, 2015 at 3:35 PM

I think Rand just had a bad hair day and didn’t understand what he was saying. Or he’s just like his dad and he’s a lunatic.

phadras on June 10, 2015 at 3:38 PM

I’m not sure if Rand is really grasping that when puts on a show like this.

I think that’s the key to this.

GWB on June 10, 2015 at 3:42 PM

Randism.

Take foot, insert into mouth.

Repeat.

(Don’t rinse.)

profitsbeard on June 10, 2015 at 3:42 PM

This guy never fails to disappoint me. When ever I think I will give him a second look he comes out and says something stupid. I cant remember anyone who pimps himself for votes more then Rand Paul.

pwb on June 10, 2015 at 3:22 PM

Heartily seconded. Why, Rand, why? They won’t vote for you unless you can out-Santa the Democrats, and you cannot.

Rix on June 10, 2015 at 3:44 PM

Rand is right. Blacks are incarcerated at multiple the rates of whites despite drug use rates that are very similar. The reasons are pretty obvious: suburban white drug use is more hidden than inner city drug dealing, politicians and cops feel little pressure to crack down on drug use in white neighborhoods but a lot of pressure to stop it in poor, minority naighborhoods; white kids are more likely to be considered fundamentally “good kids” and treated more leniently, and they have better lawyers. Acknowledging reality isn’t pandering.

urban elitist on June 10, 2015 at 3:46 PM

this video of rand paul running away and hiding when the dreamer showed up is all i need to know about the man. that’s not the man i want in the white house!

jetch on June 10, 2015 at 3:47 PM

oops video link did not show up

Here it is

jetch on June 10, 2015 at 3:49 PM

In Colorado, not one person was let out of jail who was incarcerated due to marijuana possession charges. Why? Because all those on simple drug charges pled down from more serious charges, like armed robbery. Libertarians and liberals have been spreading this lie for years.

fight like a girl on June 10, 2015 at 3:50 PM

My WHITE son was detained by a group of Chicago cops for over three hours for fits and giggles. They put a gun in his glove box. Had him handcuffed in the back of a squad car. Threatened to take him to Cook County jail (aka “Hell”). Kicked around his soccer ball after they emptied his car of all of his stuff. Threatened to take his girlfriend’s iPod, because “it must be nice to have money to buy things.” All for taking the wrong exit, realizing it, and then trying to get back on the highway by doing a U-turn. Thank heavens, he kept his cool and his manners.

Shove it, Rand.

Fallon on June 10, 2015 at 4:08 PM

cops feel little pressure to crack down on drug use in white neighborhoods but a lot of pressure to stop it in poor, minority naighborhoods

urban elitist on June 10, 2015 at 3:46 PM

You are right.

Cops should stop enforcing drug laws in minority neighborhoods. That would help the neighborhood a lot.

jaime on June 10, 2015 at 4:12 PM

I must confess I did try it out for a short stint in college. I stopped when I realized it just made me feel, hungry, tired and stupid. I figured I feel like that most of the time anyway, why should I spend money on a drug to increase that?

Neitherleftorright on June 10, 2015 at 3:18 PM

you are not doing it correctly…..

weedisgood on June 10, 2015 at 4:16 PM

Rand is right. Blacks are incarcerated at multiple the rates of whites despite drug use rates that are very similar… Acknowledging reality isn’t pandering.

urban elitist on June 10, 2015 at 3:46 PM

You’re right! The democrat race baiters are panderers because they will not acknowledge reality, such as:

60% of blacks grow up in homes without a father v. 20% white
48% of teen gang members are black v. 5% white
The violent crime index arrest rate for black youth is 5 times that of white youth.

There is a systemic break down of the black family and culture and it is a reflection of the failed Democrat policies of the last 50 years.

Neitherleftorright on June 10, 2015 at 4:22 PM

you are not doing it correctly…..

weedisgood on June 10, 2015 at 4:16 PM

I’ve seen the results of your correctness. It isn’t simply your politics that find you ridiculed mercilessly by nearly all here on Hot Air.

Neitherleftorright on June 10, 2015 at 4:25 PM

You’re right! The democrat race baiters are panderers because they will not acknowledge reality, such as:

60% of blacks grow up in homes without a father v. 20% white

48% of teen gang members are black v. 5% white

The violent crime index arrest rate for black youth is 5 times that of white youth.

Neitherleftorright on June 10, 2015 at 4:22 PM

If you were actually concerned about any of these statistics, you would be concerned about the unequal incarceration rates, which are significant contributors to them.

urban elitist on June 10, 2015 at 4:58 PM

the unequal incarceration rates, which are significant contributors to them.

urban elitist on June 10, 2015 at 4:58 PM

You have cause and effect completely turned around.

jaime on June 10, 2015 at 5:08 PM

If you were actually concerned about any of these statistics, you would be concerned about the unequal incarceration rates, which are significant contributors to them.

urban elitist on June 10, 2015 at 4:58 PM

Your continued pandering is noted.

Which part of 48% of black teens are gang members did you fail to understand? Ergo, which part of the violent crime index arrest rate was mathematically challenging for you?

Neitherleftorright on June 10, 2015 at 5:09 PM

Your continued pandering is noted.

Which part of 48% of black teens are gang members did you fail to understand? Ergo, which part of the violent crime index arrest rate was mathematically challenging for you?

Neitherleftorright on June 10, 2015 at 5:09 PM

gd I hate libs. Just complete a-holes. We approach something from a logical standpoint, hopefully give reasoned arguments over an issue. Libs on the other hand throw stupid shit out, designed to deflect as well irritate.

arnold ziffel on June 10, 2015 at 5:16 PM

arnold ziffel on June 10, 2015 at 5:16 PM

It just verifies that they truly do live in an echo chamber. They go by rote. Nothing more, nothing less.

Neitherleftorright on June 10, 2015 at 5:33 PM

There are so many different issues to pick out of that mess that it’s tough to know where to start.

But it’s not tough to know where to finish: Rand Paul isn’t very bright. He is either a social liberal who is posing as something else and cannot manage his lies properly (a common problem for liberals), or he is just a doofus who reacts to questions and situations without thinking anything through.

Either way he’s an idiot, and he has lost any support I may have ever been inclined to lend him.

Jaibones on June 10, 2015 at 5:45 PM

If you were actually concerned about any of these statistics, you would be concerned about the unequal incarceration rates, which are significant contributors to them.

urban elitist on June 10, 2015 at 4:58 PM

Talk about a disconnect. You’d need a very long bridge to make sense of this idiotic sentence, but that’s liberalism. Thanks for playing.

Jaibones on June 10, 2015 at 5:47 PM

Paul’s entire point is that it doesn’t necessarily take overt racism for laws to have disparate racial impacts. Drug laws are a key example of that- whites and blacks use drugs at similar levels, but more blacks get arrested for it because more blacks live in poor neighborhoods where the police patrol more.

In other words, if your neighbor commits a violent crime, you’re more likely to get caught for a victimless crime while the cops are hanging around busting your neighbor.

That doesn’t mean the cops should stop patrolling these areas. It means that we need to take these laws off the books that throw people in jail for years and years and years for burning a plant and inhaling.

TBSchemer on June 10, 2015 at 6:13 PM

But it’s not tough to know where to finish: Rand Paul isn’t very bright. He is either a social liberal who is posing as something else and cannot manage his lies properly (a common problem for liberals), or he is just a doofus who reacts to questions and situations without thinking anything through.

Either way he’s an idiot, and he has lost any support I may have ever been inclined to lend him.

Jaibones on June 10, 2015 at 5:45 PM

What’s your degree in? If you feel intelligent enough to call a successful physician “not very bright,” then you must have some sort of doctorate, right?

TBSchemer on June 10, 2015 at 6:22 PM

That doesn’t mean the cops should stop patrolling these areas. It means that we need to take these laws off the books that throw people in jail for years and years and years for burning a plant and inhaling.

TBSchemer on June 10, 2015 at 6:13 PM

What recent statistics do you have that show a disproportionate number of blacks in jail, for much longer terms, as versus other races for solely possessing or using marijuana?

Neitherleftorright on June 10, 2015 at 6:27 PM

You see all the conservatives on this thread shaming Paul for trying to address an issue of lost liberty that disproportionately affects blacks? THIS is why minorities think conservatives are racist, and end up voting Democrat.

TBSchemer on June 10, 2015 at 6:56 PM

What recent statistics do you have that show a disproportionate number of blacks in jail, for much longer terms, as versus other races for solely possessing or using marijuana?

Neitherleftorright on June 10, 2015 at 6:27 PM

Here you go:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/06/04/the-blackwhite-marijuana-arrest-gap-in-nine-charts/

Right there. Racial disparities.

TBSchemer on June 10, 2015 at 7:32 PM

Ax RAND the question of why white people never try to swim in pools in majority black areas.

Mormontheman on June 10, 2015 at 9:33 PM

Rand is trying to articulate a position when he hasn’t decided on one and is just spouting platitudes about a serious problem that has grown for decades. He would be no better at presidentin’ then the current occupant.

Kissmygrits on June 11, 2015 at 9:02 AM

o/t: Mosby sent the Baltimore cops to a specific street corner 3 week before the arrest of Gray because she knew that area to be a high crime location, my question would be why. Was her order routine or out of the ordinary? Was this a conspiracy to see if some big trouble for the cops could be fomented? I know, this is a leap, but we are talking about dear leader, the Rev Al and the doj here. I put nothing past the grievance industry. The woman in McKinney started planning the pool party 2 months ago and put it on face book to get the crowd to show up much like the teens in Baltimore who gutted the mall stores. Some of these incidents seem too coordinated.

Kissmygrits on June 11, 2015 at 9:11 AM

Rand is trying to articulate a position when he hasn’t decided on one and is just spouting platitudes about a serious problem that has grown for decades. He would be no better at presidentin’ then the current occupant.

Kissmygrits on June 11, 2015 at 9:02 AM

Try understanding his position before you spout this sort of ignorance. Jazz is entirely incorrect about Paul’s two statements contradicting.

TBSchemer on June 11, 2015 at 9:14 AM

Right there. Racial disparities.

TBSchemer on June 10, 2015 at 7:32 PM

Your statement was not about racial disparities. It was implied that blacks are being thrown into jails/prisons for years and years for “burning a plant and inhaling.”

From the article you linked to:

But it’s hard to make the case that decriminalization made enforcement more equitable.

Partial statistics always only tell part of the story. Many arrests made on blacks are for something other than possession of marijuana. Marijuana was on them, but they were stopped for something else and are pleading down to possession.

Also, there were no statistics in the article that showed how marijuana laws, “that throw people in jail for years and years and years for burning a plant and inhaling.”

It is disingenuous to claim that the illegality of marijuana is throwing blacks into jails for years and years. Your facts do not support your assumption.

Neitherleftorright on June 11, 2015 at 12:04 PM

Neitherleftorright on June 11, 2015 at 12:04 PM

In the very worst case, decriminalization of drugs would be a wash in terms of race, but would save a few unfortunate people here and there, and would earn the respect of minority communities that currently believe the Republican Party just doesn’t care about them.

It’s a worthy pursuit. Even if you look at it from the perspective of a cynical electoral calculation, this is something the GOP needs to do if they want to return to relevance.

TBSchemer on June 12, 2015 at 9:30 AM