Meanwhile in the UK… be sure not to injure your rapist

posted at 2:01 pm on May 31, 2015 by Jazz Shaw

It’s a well established fact that, despite our special relationship with our friends in Great Britain, the folks across the pond do not enjoy the same fundamental freedoms as their breakaway former subjects in the colonies. One of the more stark differences is seen is in their lack of a fundamental right to keep and bear arms. The rules in the UK are restrictive to the point where you’re probably more likely to find a unicorn than a shotgun on any given block. But as the NRA found in a recent article, the Queen’s government takes the issue of not being able to defend yourself even more seriously than you might have imagined. If you happen to be attacked by one of the bad guys (and they have them over there, too) you’d best be sure not to do anything to injure your attacker in return.

The latest dispatch from the United Kingdom’s ongoing campaign to eliminate all forms of armed self-defense seems too incredible to be true. Unfortunately, after tracking down the origin of a publicly distributed statement regarding self-defense products on the country’s “Ask the Police” website, we can confirm that British subjects continue to live at the mercy of their potential attackers.  Even to the point of baffling absurdity.

The statement appears in the Frequently Asked Questions section of www.askthe.police.uk – a site that is operated by the Police National Legal Database.   Information provided by the PNLD and its site are used by local police constabularies to help inform the public.

The question at issue asks, “Are there any legal self defence products that I can buy?” Succinctly epitomizing the sad state of natural rights in Great Britain, the first sentence states, “The only fully legal self defence product at the moment is a rape alarm.”

A rape alarm (by which I assume they mean a whistle or some other device intended to alert the authorities and the public) isn’t a bad idea. That’s particularly true in a place like the UK where you can’t carry a .38 to get your point across to the rapist in a more convincing fashion. But it’s not just guns that are banned from use if you are under attack. No, the restrictions go much, much further.

“You must not get a product which is made or adapted to cause a person injury. Possession of such a product in public (and in private in specific circumstances) is against the law.” So even in the sanctity of one’s home, the statement seems to suggest that care for violent offenders outweighs the rights of potential victims to be safe and secure against attack.

Mace and pepper spray are out of the question because they could cause injury to the mugger or rapist. But how about one of those inert dye sprays which would at least allow the cops to pick the bad guy out of a lineup later on? Nope. The cops’ web site specifically states that spraying such a marker intentionally toward the face could cause injury as well, so don’t do it. In fact, anything you may do which results in injury to your attacker will apparently see both of you in court side by side.

The Brits clearly seem to have a zero tolerance policy, though how they deal with their throngs of soccer hooligans is a bit of a mystery. Presumably they are all just beating the snot out of people with their fists, and since it doesn’t involve a foreign object that might get a pass. But the moral of this story should be clear by this point. When you fail to secure (or simply relinquish) enough of your fundamental rights to Big Brother, things start with giving them an inch and they inevitably take a mile. The Brits have enacted one ban after another, with the most onerous ones coming in 1968, 1988 and 1997. They periodically make sweeps through the territory, search people’s property and confiscate what they find. And after a sufficient number of years being told what to do, the Brits simply turned them over.

Apparently, having run out of guns to confiscate, they’ve now moved on to making sure that you don’t have any personal protection devices of any sort. One assumes that in due time they will outlaw printed reading material lest someone get a paper cut. But the point is, if you want to elect officials who are prone to banning guns and trying to defang the Second Amendment, take a look across the Atlantic. Your future is already on display there.


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The UK has gone kaput.

Schadenfreude on May 31, 2015 at 2:04 PM

Just kill him instead…

OmahaConservative on May 31, 2015 at 2:04 PM

Hastert s/b lauded then, a la modern logic.

Schadenfreude on May 31, 2015 at 2:05 PM

It’s nice to know that, in spite of the deaths or some the original cast members, Monty Python’s Flying Circus lives on.

At a national level, of course…

Kraken on May 31, 2015 at 2:08 PM

Stick a fork in the UK, its done. A nice dirge for the UK…

oscarwilde on May 31, 2015 at 2:08 PM

In Ashland, Kentucky you can SHOOT your rapist.

ConstantineXI on May 31, 2015 at 2:11 PM

or = of

And is it deaths of some of the original cast members, or death of some of the original cast members? And is members redundant?

Kraken on May 31, 2015 at 2:12 PM

It’s nice to know that, in spite of the deaths or some the original cast members, Monty Python’s Flying Circus lives on.

At a national level, of course…

Kraken on May 31, 2015 at 2:08 PM

Yup, poor ole Monty Python totally nailed the future of British politics.

oscarwilde on May 31, 2015 at 2:13 PM

I just got it on good authority that micro-aggressions in Greatless Britain are now considered felonious assaults.

vnvet on May 31, 2015 at 2:13 PM

Islam approves of the legal theory of not resisting your attacker… in fact, it is incorporated in their name.

Submit.

Dolce Far Niente on May 31, 2015 at 2:16 PM

There’s no England now.

Bertram Cabot Jr. on May 31, 2015 at 2:18 PM

The Clash – Guns of Brixton

Flange on May 31, 2015 at 2:23 PM

There’s no England now.

Bertram Cabot Jr. on May 31, 2015 at 2:18 PM

I thank God everyday for the wisdom of our founding fathers.
Locked and loaded.

VegasRick on May 31, 2015 at 2:23 PM

The British authorities have failed to consider the decibels of the rape alarm. Too loud and it could harm the hearing of the criminal.
Be careful…/

3dpuzzman on May 31, 2015 at 2:25 PM

Easy. Redefine “injure”.

Ramming a knife through the skull via the eye socket is not injuring the rapist if said rapist ends up dead because of it. It’s called JUSTICE.

We, and the UK morons, need to start practicing it.

Andy__B on May 31, 2015 at 2:27 PM

Does giving him herpes count?

Flange on May 31, 2015 at 2:28 PM

I thank God everyday for the wisdom of our founding fathers.
Locked and loaded.

VegasRick on May 31, 2015 at 2:23 PM

And also curse the morons who are allowing our Liberty to be stripped from us one by one. Low Information Voters can go to Hell.

ConstantineXI on May 31, 2015 at 2:31 PM

Castration can now be considered “gender re-assignment“, so go for it Brit girls!

profitsbeard on May 31, 2015 at 2:31 PM

Islam approves of the legal theory of not resisting your attacker… in fact, it is incorporated in their name.

Submit.

Dolce Far Niente on May 31, 2015 at 2:16 PM

Might as well make it official and just call it Great Britainistan.

Yakko77 on May 31, 2015 at 2:33 PM

On America and England, there is a wonderful movie done by the English team of Powell and Pressburger in 1949 called A Matter of Life and Death.(in the US as Stairway to Heaven). It is a love story fantasy between a living on literally borrowed time RAF pilot and an American WAC. I call attention to it for a scene where Raymond Massey gives a two minute speech that says all there is to say about America and the rest of the world, even England. Its meaning certainly applies in the case Jazz has cited.

xkaydet65 on May 31, 2015 at 2:34 PM

And also curse the morons who are allowing our Liberty to be stripped from us one by one. Low Information Voters can go to Hell.

ConstantineXI on May 31, 2015 at 2:31 PM

We need a “correction” on how things work here in the states as well….

VegasRick on May 31, 2015 at 2:34 PM

I thank God everyday for the wisdom of our founding fathers.
Locked and loaded.

VegasRick on May 31, 2015 at 2:23 PM

I don’t care what the founding father’s thought. They aren’t relevant in any way to today.
Tlaloc on March 27, 2015 at 11:02 PM

Schadenfreude on May 31, 2015 at 2:34 PM

Simply put, as long as the “hooligans” content themselves with raping, robbing and otherwise terrorizing the average British subject, their rulers do not care.

It keeps the yobboes busy and happy and out of the ruling class’ homes. And justifies the onerous measures the ruling class believes necessary to protect itself from…the average British subject.

This is what you get when you take an already class-conscious obsessed society and stir in socialism. Because it is the one form of tyranny which, as Adam Smith said, “affects to do business for the public good”.

It allows the oppressor to feel good about being so, because he’s doing it to you “for your own good”.

This is what our future will look like as long as progressives- of any political leaning- are allowed to do as they please.

clear ether

eon

eon on May 31, 2015 at 2:35 PM

I’ve heard wasp spray is a good deterrent, it sprays about 20 ft so you don’t have to get as close to your attacker. In the UK you could just claim you were spraying bugs, no?

ctmom on May 31, 2015 at 2:35 PM

I’ve heard wasp spray is a good deterrent, it sprays about 20 ft so you don’t have to get as close to your attacker. In the UK you could just claim you were spraying bugs, no?

ctmom on May 31, 2015 at 2:35 PM

A pistol is a much better solution. It’s LETHAL at more than 20 feet. Though most women probably cant’ handle the .45ACP that’s the best self defense caliber because it will KNOCK DOWN your attacker. Still though a .380ACP or 9mm will make sure the animal never rapes again just as good.

ConstantineXI on May 31, 2015 at 2:44 PM

I don’t care what the founding father’s thought. They aren’t relevant in any way to today.
Tlaloc on March 27, 2015 at 11:02 PM

Schadenfreude on May 31, 2015 at 2:34 PM

I don’t care what Talaloc thinks because no one will remember anything he/she/it thought 5 seconds from now.

ConstantineXI on May 31, 2015 at 2:45 PM

That’s certainly a change from ‘how can you claim it was rape if there is no evidence you resisted’

agmartin on May 31, 2015 at 2:46 PM

That’s certainly a change from ‘how can you claim it was rape if there is no evidence you resisted’

agmartin on May 31, 2015 at 2:46 PM

In the US these days you can claim rape just because a dude won’t pay attention to you then carry around a mattress and get college credit for it.

ConstantineXI on May 31, 2015 at 2:47 PM

On America and England, there is a wonderful movie done by the English team of Powell and Pressburger in 1949 called A Matter of Life and Death.(in the US as Stairway to Heaven). It is a love story fantasy between a living on literally borrowed time RAF pilot and an American WAC. I call attention to it for a scene where Raymond Massey gives a two minute speech that says all there is to say about America and the rest of the world, even England. Its meaning certainly applies in the case Jazz has cited.

xkaydet65 on May 31, 2015 at 2:34 PM

Classic flick.

And sure to be banned once the country’s demographics shift thanks to the borderless insanity of current America.

Here’s the speech…starting at 3:55.

profitsbeard on May 31, 2015 at 2:50 PM

The only thing to save the US and UK is for ISIS to take over.ISIS will do away with the “undesirables”rather quickly.The people with good sense will band together nationwide and wipe out ISIS then restart the country like it should be.

docflash on May 31, 2015 at 2:55 PM

Meanwhile in the UK… be sure not to injure your rapist

At least, they didn’t advise rape victims to pee on themselves.

And, according to Bernie Sanders, women fantasize about being gang-raped so they have no reason to try to injure the rapist(s) … or even pee on themselves … unless they happen to fantasize about that, too.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 31, 2015 at 3:02 PM

Some months back I read about a new law in England that if you`re home is broken into and you`re dog bites the intruder you as the dog owner can be sent to prison for two years.
THE LEFT IS SICK !

Rook on May 31, 2015 at 3:02 PM

…knifes weren’t mentioned here again……….so I guess you cut off his d!ck……………and watch him bleed to death!
I don’t consider that…’an injury’!

JugEarsButtHurt on May 31, 2015 at 3:04 PM

Just kill him instead…

OmahaConservative on May 31, 2015 at 2:04 PM

The british most likely regard american bloodthirstiness as something not to be worth emulating.

Tlaloc on May 31, 2015 at 3:24 PM

The british most likely regard american bloodthirstiness as something not to be worth emulating.

Tlaloc on May 31, 2015 at 3:24 PM

The illiberal tyrannical left, the world over, view rapists as heroes.

Schadenfreude on May 31, 2015 at 3:28 PM

“That’s right, Constable. My attacker emptied the magazine shooting himself with my gun, and once he stopped breathing, that’s when I called 911.”

flyovermark on May 31, 2015 at 3:33 PM

nonpartisan thinks this is great!

fossten on May 31, 2015 at 3:50 PM

The british most likely regard american bloodthirstiness as something not to be worth emulating.

Tlaloc on May 31, 2015 at 3:24 PM

Yeah, God forbid a woman can defend herself from a rapist, right? We wouldn’t want to lose such an upstanding member of society.

SaintInCarolina on May 31, 2015 at 3:55 PM

that government needs a dose of ” Anders Breivik ” stat!

Mr Soames on May 31, 2015 at 3:56 PM

are you allowed to use harsh language?

clandestine on May 31, 2015 at 4:09 PM

You’re right jazz, it is kind of hard to determine who is crazy enough to not allow guns to…so I propose a simpler option

NO GUNS FOR ANYONE

nonpartisan on May 31, 2015 at 10:08 AM

Schadenfreude on May 31, 2015 at 4:14 PM

I’ve told my wife, who on a few occasions expresses interest in going there.

I’ve told her more than once that she has no self defense in that crap hole.

YOu have to lay back and take it.

TX-96 on May 31, 2015 at 4:17 PM

The illiberal tyrannical left, the world over, view rapists as heroes.

Schadenfreude on May 31, 2015 at 3:28 PM

Hardly, just not regarding killing someone when it isn’t necessary to be the stuff of heroism either.

Self defense with minimum harm to all parties is the goal. On the other hand clearly many here are salivating at the thought of getting to kill someone.

Tlaloc on May 31, 2015 at 4:19 PM

Self defense = bloodthirst to leftists like you.

blink on May 31, 2015 at 3:55 PM

No, but intending to kill an attacker when it isn’t necessary for your own defense most certainly is.

Tlaloc on May 31, 2015 at 4:21 PM

Hardly, just not regarding killing someone when it isn’t necessary to be the stuff of heroism either.

Self defense with minimum harm to all parties is the goal. On the other hand clearly many here are salivating at the thought of getting to kill someone.

Tlaloc on May 31, 2015 at 4:19 PM

#RapistLivesMatter

SaintInCarolina on May 31, 2015 at 4:23 PM

Castration can now be considered “gender re-assignment“, so go for it Brit girls!

profitsbeard on May 31, 2015 at 2:31 PM

Thread winner.

In the US these days you can claim rape just because a dude won’t pay attention to you then carry around a mattress and get college credit for it.

ConstantineXI on May 31, 2015 at 2:47 PM

In other words, accused (but not convicted) rapists are poisoning the college experience for every woman (wait…does she have to be cisgender-straight to be threatened?? I’m so confused…) but in the UK real rapists (per the Whoopi definition of rape-rape) have more rights than their victims.

And the Left also wants to allow rapists to enter women’s bathrooms (without being reported to the police) because they feel girlish that day.

If an ideology produces internal contradictions on this order, then it is not an ideology: it is a pathology.

AesopFan on May 31, 2015 at 4:27 PM

Raid Wasp and Hornet Spray. Shoots a strong stream up to 30′ and can be aimed accurately at the eyes. “Well, constable, he had a wasp on his hat and I’m highly allergic. Sorry.”

JerseyJeff on May 31, 2015 at 4:28 PM

Tlaloc on May 31, 2015 at 4:21 PM

Many rapists often murder the victims after the rape, typically via strangulation.

Most–if not all–rapists are sociopaths, and shouldn’t live after they’ve clearly demonstrated how dangerous and evil they are.

People have every right to defend themselves against a would-be rapist, especially those who are likely going to get murdered after the rape.

DevilishSoda on May 31, 2015 at 4:30 PM

No, but intending to kill an attacker when it isn’t necessary for your own defense most certainly is.

Tlaloc on May 31, 2015 at 4:21 PM

If a woman is being raped, do you consider that necessary for her defense?

8 weight on May 31, 2015 at 4:31 PM

Hardly, just not regarding killing someone when it isn’t necessary to be the stuff of heroism either.
Self defense with minimum harm to all parties is the goal.
Tlaloc on May 31, 2015 at 4:19 PM

Yes, of course. The average woman, while being raped, will have the presence of mind to keep the retaliation to a bare minimum so they can have tea and crumpets when the messy affair is all over.

Sheesh.

Cleombrotus on May 31, 2015 at 4:33 PM

Hardly, just not regarding killing someone when it isn’t necessary to be the stuff of heroism either.
Self defense with minimum harm to all parties is the goal.
Tlaloc on May 31, 2015 at 4:19 PM

behold! the new ” soylent green “

Mr Soames on May 31, 2015 at 4:37 PM

I once read a newspaper story that baseball bats are a very big seller in the UK. Not because they are baseball fans but because in a pinch a shot to the head with one can leave a lasting impression on a home invader. But that was years ago, they are probably also banned by now.

Fred 2 on May 31, 2015 at 5:00 PM

Just grinning any more.

Schadenfreude on May 31, 2015 at 5:04 PM

The british most likely regard american bloodthirstiness as something not to be worth emulating.

Tlaloc on May 31, 2015 at 3:24 PM

I don’t think many want to emulate your fellatio on demons either.

Andy__B on May 31, 2015 at 5:34 PM

Don’t think this is only the case in the UK, the Netherlands are just as bad.

The other day a burglar had finished sorting out what he wanted to take with him on the ground floor, and armed with a large knife he went upstairs to see if there was anything to his liking in the bedrooms. At the top of the stairs he encountered the man of the house, who felt he had to defend his wife and two kids. The burglar managed to wound both parents, but got clobbered himself. If I remember correctly he took off, but was later arrested.

The AG let it be known that he was not only looking into the crime, but was also investigating the parents, and especially the father, to find out if they had not “exceeded the appropriate amount of violence” in his defense.

Don’t ask me what the appropriate amount of violence is. A couple of years ago, the then Minister of Justice said people should shout “Boo” if they were attacked in the street.

Sometimes one wonders if there is something in the drinking water…

Antivenin on May 31, 2015 at 5:51 PM

A pistol is a much better solution. It’s LETHAL at more than 20 feet. Though most women probably cant’ handle the .45ACP that’s the best self defense caliber because it will KNOCK DOWN your attacker. Still though a .380ACP or 9mm will make sure the animal never rapes again just as good.

ConstantineXI on May 31, 2015 at 2:44 PM

Not quite A .45, or a .38, or any other pistol, is incapable of knocking down anyone. People fall when they get shot because it hurts, they’re in shock, sudden blood loss and drop in blodd pressure, and their bodies are shutting down to preserve vital functions. The image of a pistol, or a shotgun even, blasting a target through a window or into a wall are impossible Hollywood bull.

Simple physics: for every action there’s an equal and opposite reaction. If you fired a weapon with enough force to knock down a target, the weapon, and the person holding it, would have to have been thrown back with (roughly) equal force. I carry a .45, it doesn’t even come close to throwing me around, and I weigh less than most women I know.

PXCharon on May 31, 2015 at 6:42 PM

I remember reading a news story a few years back where a foreign student came home to the house where he was renting a room and found a burglar. He chased the guy out who managed to get on his motorcycle parked outside. The student pushed him, causing him to fall over and break his leg. Guess who was arrested and charged with assault? Yeah, that’s right. Got into an argument with a bunch of brits on a lefty blog about this. Couldnt find the story and was called a liar. And by the same people who said if I was in a diner and a robbery happened and if I stuck my foot out to trip the robber as he escaped and he was hurt, I shd be arrested. It’s like the lefties over there are in competioing for a Darwin award. sheesh

Blake on May 31, 2015 at 7:15 PM

Stick a fork in the UK, its done. A nice dirge for the UK…

oscarwilde on May 31, 2015 at 2:08 PM

My guess is that too, would probably be illegal.

eclark1849 on May 31, 2015 at 7:53 PM

The british most likely regard american bloodthirstiness as something not to be worth emulating.

Tlaloc on May 31, 2015 at 3:24 PM

I agree!!!!

I think it very adult of Tlaloc to acknowledge that other young men who share his ethnicity are bloodthirsty barbarians that Anglo-Saxons should rightly feel are unworthy to be emulated.

That is what you meant, right, T’?

Because as Tlaloc is no doubt aware- if we eliminated the violence inherent in this tiny subset of the American population, why… our violent crime rates would be lower than the UK.

Dolce Far Niente on May 31, 2015 at 8:15 PM

Baseball bat

Wooden rolling pin

Hair spray (to the eyes)

Bug spray to the eyes.

Roll of quarters in fist.

Ash cane or walking stick (take cane fu classes)

Metal nail file.

Keys on ring-put pointy ends out through fingers. Make fist.

Homemade sap-potato in sock.

Leather purse handle-swing over attacker’s neck-twist, pull and don’t let go.

I’ve always lived in safe neighborhoods and never been attacked. Looking at the above, I wonder if I give off a certain vibe.

talkingpoints on May 31, 2015 at 8:18 PM

Nice position to put law abiding, productive citizens in.

Suffer criminality and while defending yourself you may be further destroyed by statists

Heads on pikes are in order

Mr Soames on May 31, 2015 at 10:00 PM

The british most likely regard american bloodthirstiness as something not to be worth emulating.
Tlaloc on May 31, 2015 at 3:24 PM

If there was a person I would not care if their face was punched in it would be you

Mr Soames on May 31, 2015 at 10:02 PM

The british most likely regard american bloodthirstiness as something not to be worth emulating.
Tlaloc on May 31, 2015 at 3:24 PM

And yet, here you are…in America. I suppose you spend most of your waking hours living in fear of us “bloodthirsty Americans”.
You could always move to Great Britain and feel safe…until you met up with a few “asian” lads, intent on spreading the word of the prophet.

Solaratov on May 31, 2015 at 10:33 PM

Read in between the lines… ‘don’t get caught using…’

EnglishRogue on May 31, 2015 at 11:19 PM

Did you bother to look into this Jazz or are you just parroting some BS as gospel because UK law clearly states you can lawfully injure and even kill an assailant in self defense. It took me five minutes to find this information on the CPS website under guidance on assault laws. I’m inclined to call you a lazy ” for this oversight.

lexhamfox on June 1, 2015 at 12:09 AM

The british most likely regard american bloodthirstiness as something not to be worth emulating.

Tlaloc on May 31, 2015 at 3:24 PM

You aren’t even a valid parody of the idiocy you portray. Given the choice between allowing anyone who decides to do so to barge into my home and among my family members, their bodily persons, and our belongings, or protecting said family members and belongings with whatever force is required to repel the invader, you call resistance “bloodthirsty”.

Do you even consider the words you choose?

I hope you don’t own nice things, because someone is going to come and take them away, and your considered opinion of what to do about it is to make sure they aren’t in any way inconvenienced while in your abode.

Instead, you portray those who take seriously their rights to self-defense and the security of their persons and things, as if they were likely to go out and randomly shoot people because they feel the need to.

Nobody here wants to have to harm another. The next guy on the street is not my enemy, and deserves basic human kindness and respect from me. But when one crosses my threshold with bad intent, I WILL make them sorry they did so.

And you still believe that makes me the one who is wrong, while ignoring the stupid and criminal decision of the person invading?

Freelancer on June 1, 2015 at 1:03 AM

Britain is the bellwether for the United States in such matters.

Gun control’s sole purpose is to protect the Left in its march toward tyranny.
Never ever give up your guns.

justltl on June 1, 2015 at 7:34 AM

Understanding the psychology of the true Leftist, which is fundamentally that of a controlling sadist, I am going to go out on a limb and state that true Leftists get immense pleasure out of reading about home invasions of the defenseless. That is pornography to them.

justltl on June 1, 2015 at 7:57 AM

By the way, here are some statistics on Victimization During Household Burglary.

The bottom line:
From 2003-2007 (the latest collection period for which I could find a report), there were 266,560 cases per year of a household member being a victim of violent crime during a home burglary.
Let that number sink in and think about it in terms of being able to protect yourself in your own home.

justltl on June 1, 2015 at 8:42 AM

If Britain would only just get out of the EU, we might see some of the old British spirit reassert itself. But maybe not.

RebeccaH on June 1, 2015 at 10:52 AM

The british most likely regard american bloodthirstiness as something not to be worth emulating.

Because he is a;
1. Rapist apologist.
2. Misogynist.
3. Beta male.
4. Victim-in-waiting.

The answer to a violent rapist is to do the least amount of harm possible to defend themselves. Since no weapon (or device used as a weapon) is permitted, I believe this is called, ‘saying “No!”‘ in a loud voice.

A very curious position, considering the left’s stance on the purported, “rape culture”.

I’d bet Tlaloc would be have a completely polar reaction if the rape was committed in the US by a citizen (illegals get a free pass). Especially if that citizen was either a Republican, a conservative or a Tea Party member.

Geministorm on June 1, 2015 at 11:25 AM

Freelancer on June 1, 2015 at 1:03 AM

Logic escapes the leftist, they cannot marry conflicting problems within their ideology. For example, they can claim that there is a war on women and a “rape culture”, but they can’t condone a woman protecting herself in any effective way against a (physically superior) violent and potentially deadly attacker. Likewise, they will proclaim from the highest mountain that Republicans/conservatives/Tea Party members are inherently racist and misogynist, yet allow any foul or disgusting thing to be said about any woman or minority if that person only meets the criteria of being anything other than a leftist/progressive/marxist/pro-abortionist. It is especially amusing to witness Tlaloc float the idea (indoctrination of the public school system?) that racism is inseparable from conservatism, all the while denouncing that liberals/Democrats were responsible for; the extension of slavery at the cost of 600,000 lives in a civil war, Jim Crow/segregation for 100 years, the KKK, poll taxes/denial of voting for blacks, etc.

While I admire your response, you cannot hope to retort to a muddled brain that cannot fathom cause-and-effect, let alone learn from or accept history.

Geministorm on June 1, 2015 at 11:53 AM

When my eldest daughter came home spouting some leftist/marxist drivel fed to her by her ‘liberal’ teacher, about needing more gun control post-Aurora, I had a long talk with her.

You see, leftists are just incapable of squaring their ideology with basic human behavior or facts. The leftist can only assume that when their policies (inevitably) fail, it was because it was not more fully enforced or participated in and therefore further coercion is necessary for it to “work” properly.

1. Illegal aliens are not seen as criminals for having come to the country illegally. The leftist can only assume that the right is “racist” for their position. This is because they are unable to break out of their indoctrination and think any other reason is possible OTHER THAN racism.

2. When a black president is elected and his policies are unpopular with the opposing party, the only possible reason for contention or opposition to the leftist is ‘racism’. Again, the leftist cannot fathom anyone thinking differently than themselves, and since their ideology is dependent upon emotional fervor, they can only arrive at one possible answer, ‘racism’. Never mind historical evidence, never mind religious beliefs (even if the leftist is a member, such as Nancy Pelosi and Catholicism) or societal norms, the only possible reason to disagree with their idol is ‘racism’.

3. When a criminal uses a gun to commit an atrocity, it is the law abiding citizen that must be more regulated and controlled. The leftist cannot fathom the idea that criminals, by definition, are not restricted by the social compact and will not necessarily obey any law. Therefore, when more gun restricting laws are passed, the criminal DEPENDS on the law-abiding citizen to comply and become their (easy) prey. The criminal knows that the law-abiding citizen will respect (foolishly, according to the criminal) the “gun free” zone and therefore can go there to commit murder unabated. Curtailing the availability of law-abiding citizens to protect themselves with firearms is the only solution that the leftist has in response, because (obviously) the laws were not restrictive ENOUGH. The leftist somehow convinces themselves that if only the laws were more restrictive, the criminals would no longer use guns to commit crimes. The leftist cannot do the simple logic exercise of comparing a criminal and their behavior against the behavior of the law abiding citizen.

There are hundreds of more examples, but I fear I’m preaching to the choir, not the heretics slavering in the street.

Geministorm on June 1, 2015 at 12:18 PM

Although both usually advocate the same end result, such as disarmament of the population, I like to draw a distinction between leftists and liberals.

Leftists are driven to completely control other human beings under the tenets of Marxist totalitarianism. In the context of the current topic, they desire disarmament of the general population for the simple reason of removing a threat to their tyranny. Naturally they could never gain widespread support for gun control, if their intentions for doing so were explicit. Rather, they attempt to garner support for disarmament by deception – by making it appear that gun control would prevent deaths, reduce violence, protect the children or what have you.

Liberals are the useful idiots of Leftists. They easily fall for the deception of the hardcore Leftist. They will, for example, jump on the bandwagon of gun control, not because it is a means for the Left to achieve totalitarianism, but because they blindly accept the notion, for example, that gun control is “good for the children”. It makes them feel good about themselves. As everyone other than liberals themselves are well aware, they are generally purely emotion based and are rarely able to think deeply about a topic. The Hollywood liberals are the living caricature.

justltl on June 1, 2015 at 12:53 PM

A Leftist would look at your nice house and car and feel intense jealousy, even if they themselves owned an equally fine house and car. Using the tenets of Marxism purely as a justification, they would all too happily have you and your family executed and your belongings garnished by the State for redistribution.

A Liberal would merrily support your execution and the confiscation of your property, if they could be propagandized or cajoled into believing that you acquired your possessions in a nefarious manner, and that the redistribution of your property was helping poor children.

justltl on June 1, 2015 at 1:15 PM

There are only two ways to deal with actual Leftists. One way is to have an effective legal structure (in our case, the Constitution) that would effectively prohibit them from constructing a totalitarian state. Failing that, the only other way to deal with them is to kill them before they kill you.

On the other hand, the way to deal with the shallow minded Liberal is to influence their opinion via the popular culture.

justltl on June 1, 2015 at 1:23 PM

OK, I’m done for now.
Carry on.

justltl on June 1, 2015 at 1:24 PM