Surprise: Most Democrats think illegal immigrants should be allowed to vote

posted at 11:21 am on May 29, 2015 by Allahpundit

Of course they do. They know which party will benefit, handsomely, if that’s permitted.

Why, if it weren’t for non-citizens voting illegally in federal elections, we probably wouldn’t have ObamaCare.

Fifty-three percent (53%) of Democrats think tax-paying illegal immigrants should have the right to vote. Twenty-one percent (21%) of Republicans and 30% of voters not affiliated with either major political party agree.

Women are more supportive than men of letting tax-paying illegal immigrants vote, but the two are in general agreement that the size of voting districts should be determined by counting only the number of eligible voters.

Voters under 40 are twice as likely as their elders are to favor allowing illegal immigrants to vote, but they, too, draw the line at counting illegal immigrants when setting up legislative districts.

Between this and the latest hate-speech polling, Democrats (especially younger ones) are brimming with good ideas these days. If you want to be charitable, you can tell yourself that maybe some Dems would insist on a lengthy residency requirement in lieu of citizenship before letting them vote — say, 10 years minimum in the U.S. to prove they’re committed to having a stake in the country’s future. But Rasmussen’s question didn’t ask about that; the only conditions were residence of some unspecified duration and paying taxes. Presumably, in the Democratic utopia, an illegal who came across the border a year ago and is having FICA taken out of his pay before remitting a chunk of it to family in Mexico would/should have just as much influence over who controls the U.S. government as you do.

Nor is this an idle hypothetical. Because Obama’s DACA and DAPA amnesties provide Social Security numbers to eligible illegals (which in turn will help them obtain driver’s licenses), and because local election boards rarely demand proof of citizenship before handing out ballots, it’s a cinch that some DACA/DAPA enrollees will end up voting in federal elections even though it’s illegal to do so. If you thought Bush v. Gore was a legal and political clusterfark, imagine if Hillary wins the presidency thanks to a razor-thin margin in Ohio or Florida and there’s statistical evidence to support the belief that illegal votes were the difference. And don’t forget that Hillary’s already vowed, if elected, to go farther than Obama did in amnestying illegals through executive action. DACA and DAPA each require five years of continuous residency for eligibility and, in the case of DAPA enrollees, either U.S. citizenship or permanent resident status held by their child. Will President Hillary try to out-pander O by reducing that residency requirement? Will she lift the “child citizen” requirement for DAPA applicants and open it up to all adult illegals, compounding the risk of illegal votes being cast by many millions?

Exit question: If, as Jorge Ramos (disingenuously) argues, illegal immigration is simply an “economic situation” in which a supply of labor comes forward to meet a demand, why should Democrats support granting an irrevocable right to those laborers to determine the composition of the federal government? And if the answer to that is “because federal policies affect the labor market,” then why shouldn’t laborers abroad who want to come here but are unwilling to do so illegally also have voting rights to influence those policies? There are a lot of workers in Mexico, I’d bet, who’d like to see America’s legal immigration process streamlined. Why should one’s willingness to defy American law by crossing the border illegally earn him the right to vote in the U.S. but not the law-abiding laborer in Mexico City who’d also like a say in shaping U.S. law?


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Of course they do . . . they know that each one is a Democrat vote. This is sick.

rplat on May 29, 2015 at 2:42 PM

Be careful what you wish for…

Koch brothers reach out to Hispanics in push for GOP

Seven Percent Solution on May 29, 2015 at 2:50 PM

You want the old fashioned america? The one that was slave owning? Or the one that interned innocent Japanese in concentration camps? Or the one that deliberately used crude biological warfare on the native americans? Or the one that deliberately kept blacks with syphilis untreated so as to study the effects? Or the one that is the only country in history not only to use nuclear weapons but to deliberately target civilian populations in an act that can only be described as terrorism? Or the one that thought giving terrorist training and weapons to radicals in the middle east was a great idea? Or the one that sold Saddam chemical weapons then feigned indignation when he used them?

Gee, why would liberals think the US has a long way to go to be an actually decent country? Clearly our long history of atrocities have nothing to do with it…

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 2:01 PM

Gee, you would think that every other nation on earth was wonderful. Is there anything about America you like? Why are you here?

Too funny. the old adage that liberals only love the America they want to create (i.e., a socialist paradise) and hate the actual America summed up in one paragraph. Classic.

You do know that African tribes sold other tribesman into slavery – so I guess that we can’t hold up any african nations as morally superior. Islam was big into slavery. So islam is not morally righteous place.

All of the Central and South American countries did to the indigenous peoples the same as what happened in America – so none of those places is better than America.

Most asian countries have committed numerous atrocities and asian nations are notoriously racist – so no moral superiority there.

Where is left that is superior to the U.S. morally?

I love that whenever having a debate with a lefty about a current issue, the lefty – because he has no logical argument to rebut a conservative argument – starts screaming “Oh yeah? slavery!!! discrimination!!! the native Americans!!!”

We can be talking about taxes, the right of illegals to vote, zoning laws – it doesn’t matter. At some point the leftists will realize he has no logical argument to make and will lick-spittle “Salvery!!!” and think he won the debate. Too funny.

Monkeytoe on May 29, 2015 at 2:53 PM

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 2:01 PM

In order…

The south was slave-owning and that institution ended in 1865 … and it was ended by old-fashioned America (as was Jim Crow later). P.S. Those slave owners were Democrats.

The internment of the Japanese was a minor war time contingency which wouldn’t even make the list of the 100,000 most screwed-up things to happen in the 20th century. P.S. FDR was a liberal Democrat, and his decision to intern the Japanese was supported by Republican liberals like Earl Warren

There was no biological warfare against Native Americans. One or two incidents involving blankets with smallpox does not constitute warfare. The natural progression of European diseases was more than enough to destroy the native populations of the Americas, so warfare was not needed.

The Tuskegee experiment was a small government-run experiment on 400 blacks that began before penicillin was invented – and it ought to be a lesson in the virtues of old fashioned America. P.S. Guess who ran the federal government for nearly the entire length of the Tuskegee experiment?

The decision to use nuclear weapons against Japan was the right one, and exactly the kind of hard decision that old fashioned America used to get right. P.S. Guess who made the decision to drop the bomb?

The U.S. sometimes armed and trained terrorists as the best worst option. I’m sure that a commie like you appreciate that logic, since FDR did the same thing with Stalin to beat Hitler. P.S. Guess which party FDR belonged to?

The U.S. did not arm Saddam with chemical weapons. That was Europe.

*****

No wonder you hate your country. If I was as ignorant of my country as you are, and my mistakes all went in the same leftward direction, I’d hate my country, too.

Pincher Martin on May 29, 2015 at 3:04 PM

Oh, f*ck you, imbecile. You leftards simply have no argument other than straw men and lies.

Seriously, man – go f*ck yourself, preferably in heavy traffic.

Midas on May 29, 2015 at 2:21 PM

Everything I posted is historical fact. But you know that which is why you didn’t bother to try and establish even one lie.

So, I guess that makes you a full supporter of all those things then, huh?

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 3:07 PM

… and the slavery was Dems…

… and the president who ordered the nuking of Japan was a Dem…

… and…

Now, I’m not taking exception to the nuking, I’m just pointing out what a f*cking imbecile Tlaloc is – even when he thinks he’s goofing on Republicans, he’s showing his a$$.

Midas on May 29, 2015 at 2:26 PM

I said nothing about dems or republicans in the post, genius. I was talking about the nation.

Try again.

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 3:08 PM

Clearly our long history of atrocities have nothing to do with it…

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 2:01 PM

Just another lame trolling effort to misdirect, deflect, and move the goalposts while embracing a rabid hatred of the nation. And of course, in that rant, you embrace little more than more intellectual dishonesty as you ignore it’s the left / progressives that were at the heart of creating the KKK, protecting a century of Jim Crow / segregation, the interment of the Nisei, that experimented on blacks, and eugenics.

Sure, millions more of Japanese and Allies should have died in an invasion of Japan that didn’t happen because of Nagasaki or Hiroshima in your revisionist world too. And where’s your outrage over the nearly 100 million killed in the name of fascism and communism – ideologies you embrace?

Do you actually believe that eliminating borders or the rule of law in this country redeems it?

Athos on May 29, 2015 at 3:08 PM

exactly right. The dem-witted libturds don’t want to hear the history lesson about THEIR DEM party, how THEY were the slavers, the segregationists, the poll taxers, the kkk, the Bull Connor’s, the George Wallace’s, the Robert Byrd’s, etc etc

They go all Cleopatra, into denial

Senator Philip Bluster on May 29, 2015 at 3:10 PM

Gee, what does any of your self-loathing screed have to do with allowing people here illegally, most of whom likely don’t give a rat’s a** about the country itself, the right to vote?

dorkintheroad on May 29, 2015 at 2:39 PM

it was a rather pointed way of demonstrating that Ye Olde America was indeed something that should be changed. Much like the definition of marriage nonsense conservatives tend to completely ignore all the bad stuff in our history so they can pretend the past was perfect and today is trash.

I see no reason to let you get away with it, particularly when you try to use it as an excuse for continuing modern evils…

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 3:10 PM

Everything I posted is historical fact. But you know that which is why you didn’t bother to try and establish even one lie.

No, it’s not. There was no biological warfare against Native Americans. The U.S. contributed almost nothing to Saddam’s CW programs. And on and on and on.

Pincher Martin on May 29, 2015 at 3:11 PM

Gee, you would think that every other nation on earth was wonderful. Is there anything about America you like? Why are you here?

Monkeytoe on May 29, 2015 at 2:53 PM

Logic FAIL. Saying A is bad in no way makes B good.

I live here because I was born here. I grew up here, my family is here. I have long term plans to emigrate but those may or may not come to fruition.

There are plenty of things I like about america. I don’t focus on those because those aren’t the things that need work.

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 3:13 PM

Tlaloc also doesn’t want to face that many of the presumed American sins he names were done by progressives and in the name of progressivism. They were not perpetrated by old fashioned Americans.

Pincher Martin on May 29, 2015 at 3:13 PM

No wonder you hate your country. If I was as ignorant of my country as you are, and my mistakes all went in the same leftward direction, I’d hate my country, too.

Pincher Martin on May 29, 2015 at 3:04 PM

Funny how everything I said was correct but somehow you get to pretend it is false if you can lay the blame on democrats. I guess they aren’t actually americans, huh?

P.S. yes the US was heavily involved in getting Saddam chemical weapons.

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 3:19 PM

Sure, millions more of Japanese and Allies should have died in an invasion of Japan that didn’t happen because of Nagasaki or Hiroshima in your revisionist world too.

Athos on May 29, 2015 at 3:08 PM

So if Iran nukes Israel it’s fine because they can then say millions of Israelis would have been killed in a ground war…

Good to know.

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 3:21 PM

Not a surprise. Most democrats are so stupid and ignorant THEY shouldn’t be allowed to vote, and this is proof.

Andy__B on May 29, 2015 at 3:21 PM

Most Democrats think illegal immigrants should be allowed to vote

Well of course! As long as they vote Democratic.

See the nuance?

GarandFan on May 29, 2015 at 3:21 PM

Why should one’s willingness to defy American law by crossing the border illegally earn him the right to vote in the U.S. but not the law-abiding laborer in Mexico City who’d also like a say in shaping U.S. law?

I would venture to guess that most of those who believe illegal immigrants should be allowed to vote think legal immigrants can

Gwillie on May 29, 2015 at 3:22 PM

Good to know.

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 3:21 PM

Not necessary to know, but known all the same; that demon lickers are ignorant morons as well as being evil at the core.

Andy__B on May 29, 2015 at 3:23 PM

Tlaloc also doesn’t want to face that many of the presumed American sins he names were done by progressives and in the name of progressivism. They were not perpetrated by old fashioned Americans.

Pincher Martin on May 29, 2015 at 3:13 PM

Slavery was done by conservatives. Granted back then conservatives were in the Democrat party but they were nonetheless the same people screaming “keep you government hands off my medicare” today.

Similarly the Japanese internment. It wasn’t until the 60s and 70s that the realignment and southern strategy brought the progressives into the dem party and the racists conservatives over to the republican party.

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 3:24 PM

Not necessary to know, but known all the same; that demon lickers are ignorant morons as well as being evil at the core.

Andy__B on May 29, 2015 at 3:23 PM

Hey I’m not the one who just gave a blanket excuse to the iranians to nuke anyone they like…

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 3:26 PM

Slavery was done by conservatives. Granted back then conservatives were in the Democrat party but they were nonetheless the same people screaming “keep you government hands off my medicare” today.

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 3:13 PM

Something tells me that trans-historical person equality is not a well formed function.

Sounds more like something people pull from their ass.

Axeman on May 29, 2015 at 3:28 PM

Funny how everything I said was correct but somehow you get to pretend it is false if you can lay the blame on democrats. I guess they aren’t actually americans, huh?

P.S. yes the US was heavily involved in getting Saddam chemical weapons.

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 3:19 PM

The Daily Mail? Are you kidding me?

Look, I like the photos there at DM, but it’s not a serious source for anything. It doesn’t even come close to reaching Wikipedia level.

The U.S. was not heavily involved in Saddam’s CW program. The U.S. probably provided less than one percent of Saddam’s CW arsenal. The primary sources were Germany, the Soviet Union, China, and France.

You just have no clue what you’re taking about.

Pincher Martin on May 29, 2015 at 3:29 PM

This twisted sonofabeach is now claiming that FDR was a conservative

yep, they will lie and lie and deny and deny

Senator Philip Bluster on May 29, 2015 at 3:30 PM

REPOST:

Funny how everything I said was correct but somehow you get to pretend it is false if you can lay the blame on democrats. I guess they aren’t actually americans, huh?

P.S. yes the US was heavily involved in getting Saddam chemical weapons.

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 3:19 PM

The Daily Mail? Are you kidding me?

Look, I like the photos there at DM, but it’s not a serious source for anything. It doesn’t even come close to reaching Wikipedia level.

The U.S. was not heavily involved in Saddam’s CW program. The U.S. probably provided less than one percent of Saddam’s CW arsenal. The primary sources were Germany, the Soviet Union, China, and France.

You just have no clue what you’re taking about.

Pincher Martin on May 29, 2015 at 3:31 PM

Clearly our long history of atrocities have nothing to do with it…

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 2:01 PM

I have to assume that “our” refers to DEMOCRATS like you.

Republicans acted to end those atrocities, Dumbocrats like you opposed those efforts. Why are you trying to link us with YOUR atrocities?

dominigan on May 29, 2015 at 3:31 PM

it was a rather pointed way of demonstrating that Ye Olde America was indeed something that should be changed. Much like the definition of marriage nonsense conservatives tend to completely ignore all the bad stuff in our history so they can pretend the past was perfect and today is trash.

I see no reason to let you get away with it, particularly when you try to use it as an excuse for continuing modern evils…

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 3:10 PM

Actually, it was nothing of the sort. It was basic deflection. The topic at hand is dems favor illegals voting. But in typical fashion for a dishonest hack like yourself, you just change the topic because you don’t have anything.

dorkintheroad on May 29, 2015 at 3:31 PM

No, it’s not. There was no biological warfare against Native Americans. The U.S. contributed almost nothing to Saddam’s CW programs. And on and on and on.

Pincher Martin on May 29, 2015 at 3:11 PM

Wrong, and…also wrong. The US through Reagan’s administration was heavily involved in helping Saddam get chemical weapons. That’s rather thoroughly known now, Martin.

As far as the native americans, the best you can argue is that technically it wasn’t “americans” trying to innflict diseases on an enemy because we were still british colonists back then.

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 3:31 PM

The U.S. was not heavily involved in Saddam’s CW program. The U.S. probably provided less than one percent of Saddam’s CW arsenal. The primary sources were Germany, the Soviet Union, China, and France.

You just have no clue what you’re taking about.

Pincher Martin on May 29, 2015 at 3:31 PM

Funny how you gave the game away there. In the first place you admit that we did directly get him some of his chemical weapons. More to the point is the Reagan administrations efforts to help him get chemical weapons from other sources (including west german companies).

Thank you.

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 3:34 PM

Current rules say anything and everything good that has happened in our history was done by a Democrat, and anything and everything bad that happened was done by a Republican even if they were Democrats, and the Republicans were really Democrats if they did something good.
 
So I guess we just need to figure out if this was good or bad.
 
rogerb on April 25, 2015 at 5:19 PM

 
Ha. What do I win?

rogerb on May 29, 2015 at 3:34 PM

Republicans acted to end those atrocities, Dumbocrats like you opposed those efforts. Why are you trying to link us with YOUR atrocities?

dominigan on May 29, 2015 at 3:31 PM

So when reagan prevented the UN from punishing Saddam for using chemical weapons in 1984 how did that help end the atrocities?

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 3:39 PM

Tlaloc writes at May 29, 2015 at 3:24 PM:

Slavery was done by conservatives. Granted back then conservatives were in the Democrat party but they were nonetheless the same people screaming “keep you government hands off my medicare” today.

Slavery was a regional sin, not a conservative sin.

And those southern Democrats who wanted to keep Jim Crow in place still voted for Medicare.

Learn some history before shooting your mouth off.

Similarly the Japanese internment. It wasn’t until the 60s and 70s that the realignment and southern strategy brought the progressives into the dem party and the racists conservatives over to the republican party.

Wrong again. The southern realignment took place after institutional racism was dead.

In other words, when racism was still a very real part of the country’s institutions, southerners were the most reliable Democrats in the world – they voted for all of the New Deal and the Great Society, including Medicare.

Only after institutional racism was dead, and the most racist thing Republican southerners have done in fifty years is oppose Martin Luther King Jr.’s birthday, did liberals like you start to worry about what party those racist southerners belonged to.

When racism was real, you liberals were okay with allying yourselves with them.

Pincher Martin on May 29, 2015 at 3:40 PM

Ha. What do I win?

rogerb on May 29, 2015 at 3:34 PM

It’s sort of sad how “conservatives” have to remain willfully ignorant of their own history because it’s so choked with just outright evil…

*shrug*

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 3:40 PM

Fifty-three percent (53%) of Democrats think tax-paying illegal immigrants should have the right to vote. Twenty-one percent (21%) of Republicans and 30% of voters not affiliated with either major political party agree.

This is the scary part.

AesopFan on May 29, 2015 at 3:46 PM

Slavery was a regional sin, not a conservative sin.

Uh huh, and what region is it that is heavily associated with conservatives? And which region is it that started the civil war to maintain slavery?

Say, that’s a heck of a coincidence!

Learn some history before shooting your mouth off.

*snerk*

Maybe you should actually be right about something before attacking another’s education, huh?

Wrong again. The southern realignment took place after institutional racism was dead.

Jeebus, you aren’t even trying now. The last few years have demonstrated beyond any doubt that institutional racism is alive and strong.

When racism was real, you liberals were okay with allying yourselves with them.

Pincher Martin on May 29, 2015 at 3:40 PM

Again being a conservative seems to require either
A) openly embracing racism, or
B) pretending that conservatism isn’t rooted entirely in racism despite all evidence

Kudos to you for being evil through delusion instead of purposefully…I guess.

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 3:46 PM

So if Iran nukes Israel it’s fine because they can then say millions of Israelis would have been killed in a ground war…

Good to know.

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 3:21 PM

When one embraces hypocrisy and cannot offer cogent and valid arguments, they often, like you, resort to not only moving the goalposts, but the fallacies of moral relativism and reductio ad absurdum in order to deflect. The hate, the callous and craven contempt, exist hand in hand with a complete moral, ethical, and intellectual bankruptcy. They see nothing wrong with doing what they were moments earlier condemning because in their twisted minds, it’s ‘right’. It’s not only right out of Orwell, but history, as it’s no different from the Jacobins, the October revolutionaries, National Socialism, and others who hate because it’s their nature to hate.

To paraphrase Churchill (Winston, not your fellow reprobate Ward), you embrace the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy.

I wonder if you’ll just admit that you’d be celebrating if / when Israel ever get’s nuked – particularly if from Iran.

Athos on May 29, 2015 at 3:49 PM

Tlaloc writes at May 29, 2015 at 3:31 PM

Wrong, and…also wrong. The US through Reagan’s administration was heavily involved in helping Saddam get chemical weapons. That’s rather thoroughly known now, Martin.

Only to doofuses who know no history.

Look, chemical weapons are easy to get and manufacture. The U.S. didn’t need to sell Saddam anything. The Soviet Union still existed in the eighties, and why had a shitload to CWs and the desire to sell them. The European chemical firms were also heavy in the market.

Here is the money quote from Wikipedia:

As part of Project 922, German firms such as Karl Kolb helped build Iraqi chemical weapons facilities such as laboratories, bunkers, an administrative building, and first production buildings in the early 1980s under the cover of a pesticide plant. Other German firms sent 1,027 tons of precursors of mustard gas, sarin, tabun, and tear gasses in all. This work allowed Iraq to produce 150 tons of mustard agent and 60 tons of Tabun in 1983 and 1984 respectively, continuing throughout the decade. All told, 52% of Iraq’s international chemical weapon equipment was of German origin.[citation needed] One of the contributions was a £14m chlorine plant known as “Falluja 2”, built by Uhde Ltd, a UK subsidiary of a German company; the plant was given financial guarantees by the UK’s Export Credits Guarantee Department despite official UK recognition of a “strong possibility” the plant would be used to make mustard gas.[4] The guarantees led to UK government payment of £300,000 to Uhde in 1990 after completion of the plant was interrupted by the first Gulf War.[4] In 1994 and 1996 three people were convicted in Germany of export offenses.[5]

France also provided glass-lined reactors, tanks, vessels, and columns used for the production of chemical weapons. Around 21% of Iraq’s international chemical weapon equipment was French. 75,000 shells and rockets designed for chemical weapon use also came from Italy. About 100 tons of mustard gas also came from Brazil. The United States exported $500 million of dual use exports to Iraq that were approved by the Commerce Department. Among them were advanced computers, some of which were used in Iraq’s nuclear program. Austria also provided heat exchangers, tanks, condensers, and columns for the Iraqi chemical weapons infrastructure, 16% of the international sales. Singapore gave 4,515 tons of precursors for VX, sarin, tabun, and mustard gasses to Iraq. The Dutch gave 4,261 tons of precursors for sarin, tabun, mustard, and tear gasses to Iraq. Egypt gave 2,400 tons of tabun and sarin precursors to Iraq and 28,500 tons of weapons designed for carrying chemical munitions. India gave 2,343 tons of precursors to VX, tabun, Sarin, and mustard gasses. Luxembourg gave Iraq 650 tons of mustard gas precursors. Spain gave Iraq 57,500 munitions designed for carrying chemical weapons. In addition, they provided reactors, condensers, columns and tanks for Iraq’s chemical warfare program, 4.4% of the international sales. China provided 45,000 munitions designed for chemical warfare.

The rest of Saddam’s arsenal was almost entire Soviet. His planes, tanks, anti-aircraft missiles, etc. Yet suddenly you think Saddam needed the Americans for manufacturing CW? What kind of idiot are you?

As far as the native americans, the best you can argue is that technically it wasn’t “americans” trying to innflict diseases on an enemy because we were still british colonists back then.

Nope. The proven cases of deliberate infection by *any* Westerners on *any* native Americans are too small to constitute warfare. You deliberately trying to hype up a couple of famous cases which had no proven affect in their intent because you’re motivated by a hatred of your country.

What killed off 90 percent-plus of Native Americans was not warfare of any kind – biological or otherwise – but the demographic collapse induced by the incidental introduction of old world diseases into an environment where the natives had no built-in resistance to them. Those diseases were so devastating that they were running ahead of the colonists into the interior and killing off natives who had never seen a white person or even heard a rumor that white people existed.

Pincher Martin on May 29, 2015 at 3:56 PM

it was a rather pointed way of demonstrating that Ye Olde America was indeed something that should be changed. Much like the definition of marriage nonsense conservatives tend to completely ignore all the bad stuff in our history so they can pretend the past was perfect and today is trash.

I see no reason to let you get away with it, particularly when you try to use it as an excuse for continuing modern evils…

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 3:10 PM

Except that no one is trying to get away with anything. No one here is ignoring all the bad stuff in our history except you, by claiming it happened differently than it actually did. That’s a fact, not an opinion. Every single thing you believe about American history is demonstrably wrong, without exception.

Not one person here said the past was perfect, not one person here said today was trash, with the exception of you. So not only are you ignorant, you’re a blatant liar too. As for continuing modern evils, every single country on the planet that’s treating their people (especially women and gay people) horribly are totalitarian leftists JUST LIKE YOU.

Shove your ignorance right up your ass with a red hot poker sweety.

runawayyyy on May 29, 2015 at 3:57 PM

Uh huh, and what region is it that is heavily associated with conservatives? And which region is it that started the civil war to maintain slavery?

Say, that’s a heck of a coincidence!

Yes, it’s associated with them today, doofus, when there is *no* institutional racism.

But when there was institutional racism in the United States, the south was the most important part of the New Deal and Great Society coalitions.

The phrase “Solid South” was originally invented to describe the South’s voting patterns in support of Democrats, not Republicans. You know, back when Jim Crow was firmly in the saddle.

Heck of a coincidence, don’t you think?

Pincher Martin on May 29, 2015 at 4:02 PM

Uh huh, and what region is it that is heavily associated with conservatives? And which region is it that started the civil war to maintain slavery?

You’re an idiot.

The old south was heavily democratic. The democrat party was (some might argue still is) the party of slavery. Trying to tie present day conservatives to past democrats is stupid.

Again being a conservative seems to require either
A) openly embracing racism, or
B) pretending that conservatism isn’t rooted entirely in racism despite all evidence

Kudos to you for being evil through delusion instead of purposefully…I guess.

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 3:46 PM

It’s not conservatives that categorize people by race, or demand special rights and treatment based on race, or ignore minority problems they created.

The left is, and always shall be the ideology that uses people as pawns … especially minorities, women and gays.

darwin on May 29, 2015 at 4:03 PM

I live here because I was born here. I grew up here, my family is here. I have long term plans to emigrate but those may or may not come to fruition.

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 3:13 PM

Seriously, how can we help?

Midas on May 29, 2015 at 4:06 PM

Jeebus, you aren’t even trying now. The last few years have demonstrated beyond any doubt that institutional racism is alive and strong.

I wasn’t counting racism against whites.

Pincher Martin on May 29, 2015 at 4:06 PM

Uh huh, and what region is it that is heavily associated with conservatives? And which region is it that started the civil war to maintain slavery?

Say, that’s a heck of a coincidence!

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 3:46 PM

As a matter of fact, it is….

See, the Alabama legislature wasn’t taken over by republicans until 2010. Do you know who controlled it prior to that, ever since reconstruction?

That’s right, leftists. The same leftists, just like you, who went to war to keep black people in chains, created a terrorist organization to kill them if they decided to vote, and created and enforced laws to “keep them in their place”. Every single example of institutional racist behavior in American history was committed by democrats. That includes the ones happening right this very minute.

Do you really want to claim that Alabama has only been the racist hellhole you believe it to be since the republicans took over, 5 YEARS AGO? Are you really sure you want to continue on this journey into YOUR OWN history? See, if democrats were in control since the 60s, then they are the filthy racists you claim the republicans are because they were in charge of the south during the period you claim your phantom racist realignment occurred. Just admit what a racist POS you are, every single person seeing your words already knows it. I have no doubt this includes you as well.

Heck of a coincidence, moron.

runawayyyy on May 29, 2015 at 4:08 PM

Again being a conservative seems to require either
A) openly embracing racism, or
B) pretending that conservatism isn’t rooted entirely in racism despite all evidence

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 3:46 PM

*facepalm*

Just f*ck off already, you lying imbecile.

Midas on May 29, 2015 at 4:09 PM

I’m sorry but why are you people debating this jerk Tlaloc on issues that have zero to do with this post? He purposely goes down these rabbit trails when he has nothing else in the hopes that y’all will take the bait and follow. Well, stop following the fool.

dorkintheroad on May 29, 2015 at 4:13 PM

I see no reason to let you get away with it, particularly when you try to use it as an excuse for continuing modern evils

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 3:10 PM

Modern evils?

Slavery in the US ended when?
Jim Crow / Segregation in the US ended when?
The internment of the Nisei ended when?
The use of blacks as subjects for medical experimentation ended when?

Let’s talk about one true modern evil, and just whom remains focused on advocating eugenics today? Saying abortion / infanticide is a ‘right’ – and targeting that message at minorities?

Athos on May 29, 2015 at 4:14 PM

The most racist places in America right now are the large inner cities. The democrats have been in total control of these racist hellholes for decades. Just like when they were in charge of the racist hellhole that used to be the old south. Their ideology hasn’t changed one bit. They’re still keeping minorities ignorant and poor, all so they can have power over them.

All leftists know this to be the truth, but they can’t admit it out loud like they used to love to do.

Leftists are the only people actively keeping racism alive, they’re the only people who have ever kept it alive, and it’s always been for the same reason. Their own power.

Sad and pathetic. They have no choice anymore but to believe their own lies.

runawayyyy on May 29, 2015 at 4:16 PM

It’s funny that what conservatives “don’t know” relies on buy-in to a particular method of construing certain events in history.

Hallmarks of a brittle interpretation, otherwise known as dogma.

Yes, we reject your historical dogma and your special pleading.

Just for grins, here’s my take. The Dems have always been about want and pandering. People wanted slaves, and the Dems pandered to them. After the mostly-Christian abolitionists forced the hand of government and Republicans of the time put slavery out of reach, Dems needed to find other pandering markets. Other wet diapers to cry about. Which is why they moved on to the socialists, union thugs and the mob, genocidal eugenicists like Margaret Sanger, the fascist-inspiring Woodrow Wilson, …

Richard Shelby swapped parties in 1994, not because he had enough of the Dems being nice to blacks, but because, among other things, he was fully mortified at his party for their behavior in hearings on the Clinton scandals. The 90s are probably the most rapid change in party identity in the south. I remember reading in the late 80s in a Political Science periodical as part of my American Legislature junior-level poly-sci course how we were actually a three party system of 1) Northern Republicans, 2) Northern and Coastal Democrats, and 3) Southern Democrats. The Southern Democrats were still fans of the New Deal, not opposed to the Great Society programs, but increasingly threw in with the Repubs on moral issues.

Axeman on May 29, 2015 at 4:51 PM

U.S. policy affects many people around the globe, people who are not citizens of the United States. If citizenship is not a prerequisite to voting eligibility, then what is, “interest” in the policies of a nation?

I’d think we should all be able to vote in Chinese elections in that case. Oh, right, they don’t have elections. Well, then, maybe the U.K. or Germany? What if we earn income there and are taxed on it? That should do it, oui? France par exemple?

Certainly anyone who can prove they care what we do should have a say. I wonder how ISIS would vote?

IndieDogg on May 29, 2015 at 4:57 PM

Most Democrats think ISIS should be allowed to vote

SpongePuppy on May 29, 2015 at 5:01 PM

Twenty-one percent (21%) of Republicans and 30% of voters not affiliated with either major political party agree.

Must have polled everyone at Salem Communications

bw222 on May 29, 2015 at 5:09 PM

So if Iran nukes Israel it’s fine because they can then say millions of Israelis would have been killed in a ground war…

Good to know.

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 3:21 PM

Nice to see who you’re rooting for in that situation.

Not surprised at all.

BigWyo on May 29, 2015 at 5:09 PM

Most Democrats think ISIS and 8th graders should be allowed to vote

SpongePuppy on May 29, 2015 at 5:01 PM

Don’t forget lowering the voting age…They really like that idea too.

Wonder why?

BigWyo on May 29, 2015 at 5:11 PM

Many Democrats are Hispanics and/or illegal aliens. No surprise here. The rest are just morons.

cajunpatriot on May 29, 2015 at 5:12 PM

You want the old fashioned america? The one that was slave owning? Or the one that interned innocent Japanese in concentration camps? Or the one that deliberately used crude biological warfare on the native americans? Or the one that deliberately kept blacks with syphilis untreated so as to study the effects? Or the one that is the only country in history not only to use nuclear weapons but to deliberately target civilian populations in an act that can only be described as terrorism? Or the one that thought giving terrorist training and weapons to radicals in the middle east was a great idea? Or the one that sold Saddam chemical weapons then feigned indignation when he used them?

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 2:01 PM

Ok, I’ll bite. From your list of choices, I want back “is the only country in history not only to use nuclear weapons but to deliberately target civilian populations.”

I would wholeheartedly — even enthusiastically — support such an approach to dealing with the scourge of Islamic terrorism. When 9/11 happened, we absolutely should have dropped a nuke on Afghanistan, right in the heart of their biggest populated area. And the president should have gone on TV the next day telling the terrorists that the United States is not afraid to wipe their entire population off the map if necessary to stop these attacks.

Shump on May 29, 2015 at 5:20 PM

You want the old fashioned america? The one that was slave owning? Or the one that interned innocent Japanese in concentration camps? Or the one that deliberately used crude biological warfare on the native americans? Or the one that deliberately kept blacks with syphilis untreated so as to study the effects? Or the one that is the only country in history not only to use nuclear weapons but to deliberately target civilian populations in an act that can only be described as terrorism? Or the one that thought giving terrorist training and weapons to radicals in the middle east was a great idea? Or the one that sold Saddam chemical weapons then feigned indignation when he used them?

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 2:01 PM

Well, in that America:

– Demoracts were the slave owners.
– A democrat interned Japanese.
– It was a British Lord, not an American associated with smallpox infected blankets.
– Blacks were infected with syphilis … in Alabama (historically democrat) in collaboration with the Tuskegee Institute, a historically black college.
– A democrat ordered the use of nuclear weapons.

Your other examples are outside of the US.

darwin on May 29, 2015 at 5:42 PM

liberalism is rooted in bigotry racism and pajama boy pedophilia. Just look at the evidence.

SpongePuppy on May 29, 2015 at 5:53 PM

why do jewelry hating liberals endorse eugenics? why?

SpongePuppy on May 29, 2015 at 5:56 PM

Poor crank. Let us pitch in for its one way ticket to N Korea.

CW on May 29, 2015 at 6:02 PM

Since most Dims are criminals or their fools this makes sense. Vote early & often!

russedav on May 29, 2015 at 6:40 PM

Vaya con America.

profitsbeard on May 29, 2015 at 7:47 PM

It’s funny when Leftists believe that anyone over the course of American history that wants to “conserve” something is automatically assumed to be practicing the American Conservative philosophy.

If someone today wants to “conserve” the public sector union domination and destruction of our public schools…. is that person practicing the American Conservative political philosophy? Of course not.

The American Conservative philosophy is, by definition, color-blind. If someone supports slavery or Jim Crow then, by definition, they can’t be a conservative. More than likely they were a Left-winger. It’s not a coincidence that the most “Progressive” big cities in America today are also the most racially segregated.

visions on May 29, 2015 at 7:50 PM

Tens of millions of undocumented Democrats. You’d be a fool not to let them vote.

RdLake on May 29, 2015 at 8:40 PM

Surprise: Most Democrats think illegal immigrants should be allowed to vote.

That’s because they’ve been taught to believe that “rights” and “citizenship” are nothing but legal fictions whose only purpose is political advantage.

Once you’ve reached that point, the rest is simple: Democrats benefit=good, Democrats do not benefit=bad. No, I’m not being facetious, that really is what it boils down to. There is political advantage, AND NOTHING ELSE.

GrumpyOldFart on May 29, 2015 at 8:43 PM

GrumpyOldFart on May 29, 2015 at 8:43 PM

The Party “seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power.”

There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always—do not forget this, Winston—always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—forever.

Athos on May 30, 2015 at 12:38 AM

Serious question here: Why do we need any immigrants legal or illegal anymore?

francesca on May 30, 2015 at 1:10 AM

Serious question here: Why do we need any immigrants legal or illegal anymore?

francesca on May 30, 2015 at 1:10 AM

Gotta keep those wages down. Wouldn’t want too many people in the middle class being fat and happy.

Pincher Martin on May 30, 2015 at 1:37 AM

Gee, you would think that every other nation on earth was wonderful. Is there anything about America you like? Why are you here?

Monkeytoe on May 29, 2015 at 2:53 PM

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Logic FAIL. Saying A is bad in no way makes B good.

I live here because I was born here. I grew up here, my family is here. I have long term plans to emigrate but those may or may not come to fruition.

There are plenty of things I like about america. I don’t focus on those because those aren’t the things that need work.

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 3:13 PM

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Can we start a “gofundme” campaign to help you emigrate?

Anyone with your philosophy/ideology for living life is unworthy of their citizenship here; your birthright be damned.

listens2glenn on May 30, 2015 at 6:43 AM

Serious question here: Why do we need any immigrants legal or illegal anymore?

francesca on May 30, 2015 at 1:10 AM

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Gotta keep those wages down. Wouldn’t want too many people in the middle class being fat and happy.

Pincher Martin on May 30, 2015 at 1:37 AM

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The massive invasion of the United States by illegal aliens is a weapon (among several others), being deliberately used against us by U.S. politicians, who favor “one-world-government.”
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Obama is one of those.

listens2glenn on May 30, 2015 at 6:52 AM

There are plenty of things I like about america.

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 3:13 PM

Out of curiosity, what things are those?

GrumpyOldFart on May 30, 2015 at 8:17 AM

Liberals that think tax paying illegal aliens should have the right to vote in the U.S.. Do they also agree these voters are allowed to vote in their home country?

If this is true, then these voters can help liberals vote vote for world wide tyranny.

MSGTAS on May 30, 2015 at 9:31 AM

Slavery was done by conservatives. Granted back then conservatives were in the Democrat party but they were nonetheless the same people screaming “keep you government hands off my medicare” today.

Similarly the Japanese internment. It wasn’t until the 60s and 70s that the realignment and southern strategy brought the progressives into the dem party and the racists conservatives over to the republican party.

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 3:24 PM

Logic FAIL. Name ONE conservative that promoted slavery.

Racist conservatives? Like Al Gore Sr., who filibustered the Civil Rights Act?

Like Richard Byrd, the KKK member himself, who used the N word on ABC and of course got away with it.

So much about history you’ve absorbed through a soda straw.

And it’s obvious you HATE America.

itsspideyman on May 30, 2015 at 10:21 AM

Racist conservatives? Like Al Gore Sr., who filibustered the Civil Rights Act?

itsspideyman on May 30, 2015 at 10:21 AM

Like Senate Majority Leader Lyndon B. Johnson, who filibustered anti-lynching laws?

GrumpyOldFart on May 30, 2015 at 10:55 AM

I see no reason to let you get away with it, particularly when you try to use it as an excuse for continuing modern evils…

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 3:10 PM

Which modern evils are those? Like making sure there’s always more incentive for people to commit themselves to the tender mercies of coyotes, drug cartels and MS-13 in the knowledge that once they get to America, breaking the law doesn’t count against them? See the Democrat position on immigration for more info.

Like supporting looters and arsonists when they destroy homes and businesses and target cops? See the Democrat position on Ferguson, Baltimore, etc.

Like the tax evasion of Tim Geithner, Warren Buffett, Tom Daschle, Charlie Rangel, Al Sharpton, Melissa Harris-Perry, John Kerry, and who knows how many others?

Like fraud and racketeering? See the Clinton Foundation, Jon Corzine, Chris Dodd, the Obama ’08 campaign, Charlie Rangel, Al Sharpton, Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and many, many others.

Like demanding that any business owner become effectively a slave, in that he must not only serve you, he must even give lip service to your ideology, regardless of whether he consents to associate with you at all, or else you’ll have the government confiscate his business and put him out on the street? See the Democrat position on gay marriage, religious freedom and hate speech.

Like destruction of federal government records and obstruction of an investigation? See Hillary Clinton, Lois Lerner and Eric Holder, among many, many others.

Like working to enshrine in federal law the idea that eligibility for anything must at least partly be based on skin color, ethnicity, gender identity and sexual orientation, rather than on mere competence? That a person must always be judged by the color of his skin, and not by the content of his character? In short, demanding that bigotry be included as a factor in all such decisions? See the Democrat position on Affirmative Action.

Just which “modern evils” do you think conservatism is perpetrating? Be specific please.

And yes, I know all the above is just “ridiculous lies”… in the opinion of someone who thinks the Israelis sank the USS Liberty. If I can humor you, you can return the courtesy, yes? So, be specific please.

GrumpyOldFart on May 30, 2015 at 1:40 PM

liberals endorse breaking voting laws if it will help them win.

liberals endorse breaking any law when they don’t like the law.

SpongePuppy on May 30, 2015 at 3:49 PM

So if Iran nukes Israel it’s fine because they can then say millions of Israelis would have been killed in a ground war…

Good to know.

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 3:21 PM

by your logic it would be ok for the Israelis to first strike Iran, since Iran’s nuclear intent is to wipe Israel off the map.

RonK on May 30, 2015 at 5:23 PM

But how many of these illegals actually pay tax and vote? And buy car insurance? And buy health insurance? And register for Selective Service? It’s highly doubtful that these “economic refugees” would see a big advantage to paying FICA (which is a much bigger hit to the poor than anyone else). If it weren’t for the free dependent benefits, illegals would be crazy to “come out of the shadows”.

Certainly, if you are a young, single male illegal I can’t think of a single reason to go legit, and once you’ve broken one yanqui law, the rest really no importa.

If you are a pregnant single-mom illegal without an income, escaping Mexico’s rape-culture, then sure! Get some liberal white social worker to register for you. But you are still not doing the tax, insurance and voting thing – that’s for gringos.

virgo on May 31, 2015 at 12:55 PM

question……..so if 53% of Dem’s equate paying tax’s to ones ability to vote: Does that mean those paying a neg net Fed Income tax’s after welfare/food stamps long term —loose their ability to vote?

sbark on May 31, 2015 at 10:52 PM

The poll does not say exactly what illegal aliens would be allowed to vote for, and so the questions are just a figurative answer. Even in the sanctuary cities where “residents” in general are invited to vote, it is never for state or federal office holders, it is for things like “school board” or local issues…I am saying that when confronted with the details, even moonbats usually define this down from other offices. However, since democrats for for an “idealistic” vision of president, and don’t connect it to “doing” or “governing” they prolly think voting for president like voting for Class president in high school as a popularity contest for an Icon, not for someone who can run something.

Fleuries on June 1, 2015 at 10:56 AM

question……..so if 53% of Dem’s equate paying tax’s to ones ability to vote: Does that mean those paying a neg net Fed Income tax’s after welfare/food stamps long term —loose their ability to vote?

sbark on May 31, 2015 at 10:52 PM

Of course not, that would be racist.

GrumpyOldFart on June 1, 2015 at 6:06 PM