Gallup: For the first time in Obama’s presidency, more Americans identify as “pro-choice”

posted at 1:21 pm on May 29, 2015 by Allahpundit

Interesting, not so much as a serious gauge of public views of abortion as a gauge of public views on who’s driving the agenda in Washington. After all, regardless of how they identify, most Americans aren’t pro-choice or pro-life across the board. Last I checked, a durable majority is pro-choice during the first trimester and pro-life during the third. Even in today’s poll, 36 percent say abortion should be illegal in all circumstances and another 19 percent say it should be legal in only “a few” circumstances — a majority of 55 percent who oppose abortion on demand, notwithstanding the “pro-choice” numbers. (Those who say abortion should be legal in all or most circumstances tally just 42 percent.) Which is to say, when asked whether “pro-choice” or “pro-life” best summarizes their views, how Americans respond probably has more to do with broader political currents than with any sea change on abortion itself.

Back to the pre-Obama status quo?

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Except for a post-9/11 surge for “pro-life,” which is itself proof that spikes in support for one party or the other on unrelated issues can affect how people identify on this particular issue, “pro-choice” was reliably ahead until 2009. Then Democrats assumed total control of the lawmaking branches and suddenly “pro-life” leaped ahead, dipping below “pro-choice” only briefly in 2011 until now. What’s happening there, I think, isn’t so much changing biases for or against abortion as an abiding bias towards the status quo. With Bush in the White House until 2009, fencesitters on abortion likely feared that the GOP would go too far in restricting the practice. That calculus flipped once Obama was sworn in. And now, with Obama nearing the end of his presidency and Congress back in Republican hands (and passing bills banning late-term abortion), it’s flipped again. If the GOP beats Hillary next year, it won’t surprise me if “pro-choice” self-identifiers return to the levels of the mid-90s.

Related to that point, another bit of data:

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See what I mean? Democratic “pro-choice” numbers are flat up to and including 2009, when Obama took office, but the rest of the country suddenly grew much chillier once he was sworn in. Independents, who had never dropped below 50 percent support in the eight years previous, suddenly dipped to 42 percent; Republicans, who had never dropped below 30 percent support, declined to 23 percent. And both factions stayed more or less at those subdued levels in the years following — until now, when not only have they returned to pre-Obama levels but Democratic “pro-choice” support has bounced way up to 68 percent. Again, I think that’s a backlash to the midterms. With the GOP in charge of Congress, abortion fencesitters in all three parties now worry more about Republican restrictions than Democratic expansionism. Even the blip back towards “pro-choice” in 2011 makes sense in that context: That was the year, of course, that the GOP reclaimed a House majority after an historic landslide. Fencesitters may have worried that conservative momentum would lead to new limits on abortion, even with Obama in the White House. That worry was short-lived.

The only numbers from Gallup that aren’t easily explained by the “status quo bias” theory are these, which should worry Republicans a little:

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One of the staples of pro-life rhetoric is that, contrary to popular media belief, there’s no great gender gap on abortion. And that’s true — mostly. Over most of the last 14 years, there’s been none; on the more limited question of late-term abortion, as of 2013 women supported a ban 50/44. You can read the graph above as well as I can, though: For the last several years, there’s been a mild but steady gender gap in which women are five or six — or, most recently, eight — points more likely to identify as “pro-choice” than men are. Probably that’s an artifact of Democratic “war on women” messaging, and quite possibly it doesn’t much matter given what I said up top about how opaque “pro-choice” and “pro-life” are in explaining someone’s position on abortion. It could be that women hold the same positions they’ve always held on when abortion should be legal but nonetheless are more likely to identify as “pro-choice” because Democratic identity-politics pressure, especially on younger single women, has made support for abortion a criterion of “empowerment.” Still, that gender gap is not a trend that the GOP would want to see continue. Keep an eye on it in polls in the months ahead.


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Abortions are just a pregnancy do-over!

Immolate on May 29, 2015 at 1:24 PM

“One of the staples of pro-life rhetoric

Hmmm

bernzright777 on May 29, 2015 at 1:26 PM

Pro-Life needs a calm – no name calling – approach to chip away at this.

— Always use visual images of the unborn – (smiling, etc.)
— Consider the 20 weeks story line to gain ground

Anger and name calling will not win the hearts of the pro-choice population.

Show the beauty of the unborn – and touch hearts.

IMO

jake-the-goose on May 29, 2015 at 1:28 PM

With the GOP in charge of Congress, abortion fencesitters in all three parties now worry more about Republican restrictions than Democratic expansionism.

…except when the GOP House had a chance to do something about it they balked because of that GOP bimbo from NC…

Pelosi Schmelosi on May 29, 2015 at 1:29 PM

Jeez, guys. What’s the point of even having comments in the headlines anymore?

rogerb on May 29, 2015 at 1:31 PM

Good news for HotAir. Your hard work paid off.

TheMadHessian on May 29, 2015 at 1:33 PM

Imagine what the “numbers” would be like if the media had identified the pro-choice stance with Butcher Kermit Gosnell and the slaughter of the black unborn in America, rather than coupling the pro-life identifier with the Christian extremists who want subjugated women to squirt out babies like watermelon seeds.

Imagine.

Anybody take any polls about the issue of chattel ownership of darkies prior to the War Between the States?

Why do I think a solid majority would not have wanted to self-identify as an abolitionist religious fanatic in 1855?

Dolce Far Niente on May 29, 2015 at 1:33 PM

What’s the pope’s take on it?

Schadenfreude on May 29, 2015 at 1:33 PM

Soon to weigh in with his sick observations…
HA’s resident ghoul troll…Taloc.

Neitherleftorright on May 29, 2015 at 1:33 PM

Combined posts brought over from the first time:
 
1)

Half of Americans consider themselves “pro-choice” on abortion, surpassing the 44% who identify as “pro-life.”

 

“Pro-life” at the link means 37% + 3% “illegal in all circumstances” plus the 4% of “illegal in all circumstances” pro-choicers to reach their 44% “pro-life” number, right?
 
Illegal in ALL circumstances, every single one, with no concessions for the 1% rape/incest, and they still just barely get to make the “50% of Americans are pro-choice” claim.
 

2) Doesn’t the link actually show that only about 1/4 of the nation ISN’T essentially pro-life?
 

Legal in only a few circumstances:
Pro-choice 23%,
Pro-life 51%

 
51+23 = 74% legal, but
 

Or am I reading their data wrong?

rogerb on May 29, 2015 at 1:34 PM

Jeez, guys. What’s the point of even having comments in the headlines anymore?

rogerb on May 29, 2015 at 1:31 PM

I don’t get that either.

bernzright777 on May 29, 2015 at 1:34 PM

A lot of low-info Americans — like children — are impressionistic and simply copy whatever’s in the “mainstream” of society. I have no doubt that once Obama’s gone from the public eye and a pro-life president assumes office, those numbers will change.

Aizen on May 29, 2015 at 1:35 PM

Jeez, guys. What’s the point of even having comments in the headlines anymore?

rogerb on May 29, 2015 at 1:31 PM

Good question.

Neitherleftorright on May 29, 2015 at 1:35 PM

HA’s resident ghoul troll…Taloc.

Neitherleftorright on May 29, 2015 at 1:33 PM

And more ghoulish than normal. I hear he’s on his period today.

bernzright777 on May 29, 2015 at 1:36 PM

Not surprised.
This is people indirectly telling so-cons to shove it

weedisgood on May 29, 2015 at 1:32 PM

This is not a theocracy.

weedisgood on May 29, 2015 at 1:36 PM

with no concessions for the 1% rape/incest, and they still just barely get to make the “50% of Americans are pro-choice” claim.
 
rogerb on May 29, 2015 at 1:34 PM

 
And for anyone who hasn’t seen the numbers, 1% rape/incest data here:
 

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3711005.pdf

rogerb on May 29, 2015 at 1:38 PM

One of the staples of pro-life rhetoric

Anyone have any suggestions for alternative conservative sites? I’m getting sick of all this leftist CRAP being shoved down our throats on what used to be a conservative site.

What conservative sites do you comment on?

Thanks!

dominigan on May 29, 2015 at 1:39 PM

This is not a theocracy.

weedisgood on May 29, 2015 at 1:36 PM

Choomed idiot, can you say this on the Geller thread?

Schadenfreude on May 29, 2015 at 1:40 PM

Imagine what the “numbers” would be like if the media had identified the pro-choice stance with Butcher Kermit Gosnell and the slaughter of the black unborn in America,…
Dolce Far Niente on May 29, 2015 at 1:33 PM

Imagine if we stopped referring to it as pro-choice and told the truth of what it is instead?

Pro-death.

Neitherleftorright on May 29, 2015 at 1:40 PM

By the way how’d those British election polls go?

warren on May 29, 2015 at 1:40 PM

This is not a theocracy.

weedisgood on May 29, 2015 at 1:36 PM

In that case, Democrats could never be put in charge because to them, government is God.

Aizen on May 29, 2015 at 1:42 PM

Anyone have any suggestions for alternative conservative sites? I’m getting sick of all this leftist CRAP being shoved down our throats on what used to be a conservative site.

What conservative sites do you comment on?

Thanks!

dominigan on May 29, 2015 at 1:39 PM

Being pro-life has nothing to do with conservatism it is mostly due to ones religious believes. It’s just that most conservatives tend to be Christians/religious. One doesn’t have to depend on the other.

weedisgood on May 29, 2015 at 1:42 PM

This is not a theocracy.

weedisgood on May 29, 2015 at 1:36 PM

Do you even know what a theocracy is?

darwin on May 29, 2015 at 1:42 PM

This is not a theocracy.

weedisgood on May 29, 2015 at 1:36 PM

Because stating that human life begins at conception is unscientific.

Try thinking before stoning.

nobar on May 29, 2015 at 1:42 PM

Choomed idiot, can you say this on the Geller thread?

Schadenfreude on May 29, 2015 at 1:40 PM

meh

weedisgood on May 29, 2015 at 1:43 PM

This is not a theocracy.

weedisgood on May 29, 2015 at 1:36 PM

Poster Boy!
Another weed addled, feeble attempt. Keep up the good work! You never fail in pointing out the dangers of chronic pot usage.

Pithy, but pointless.

Neitherleftorright on May 29, 2015 at 1:43 PM

This is not a theocracy.

weedisgood on May 29, 2015 at 1:36 PM

You’re correct- this country has never been a theocracy, even when abortions were widely considered a crime.

But opposition to abortion is not strictly a religious issue, any more than opposition to slavery is strictly a religious issue.

Most people publicly opposed to slavery were out-loud abolitionist Christians- was the ending of human chattel slavery imposed under a theocracy?

Dolce Far Niente on May 29, 2015 at 1:43 PM

Everyone has a right to be born. Period. A woman owns her own body, sure, but the child, once created also owns his or her own body too.

ConstantineXI on May 29, 2015 at 1:44 PM

good! keep that liberal genocide machine running smoothly

Mitochondrion on May 29, 2015 at 1:45 PM

What conservative sites do you comment on?

Thanks!

dominigan on May 29, 2015 at 1:39 PM

Being pro-life has nothing to do with conservatism it is mostly due to ones religious believes. It’s just that most conservatives tend to be Christians/religious. One doesn’t have to depend on the other.

weedisgood on May 29, 2015 at 1:42 PM

Way to answer his question, dingbat.

bernzright777 on May 29, 2015 at 1:45 PM

That’s one way of framing it. The other way of looking at it is that the majority of respondents still qualify their support in terms of *limited legal abortions, and that the majority of the increase for abortion support remains among Dem’s. Majorities of Republicans, Independents, and men do not. The recent restrictions on abortion, regardless of this poll, enjoyed a female-majority of support – not opposition.
Bear in mind that the only reason the Dem’s can claim more female supporters is because those females belong to minorities busy killing off half their growth numbers before they can make it out of the womb. Big win there, liberals. Well done.

Recon5 on May 29, 2015 at 1:45 PM

dominigan on May 29, 2015 at 1:39 PM

Give Twitchy a try. The way it’s set up you know if someone responds to you and you upvote comments you agree with.

warren on May 29, 2015 at 1:45 PM

You’re correct- this country has never been a theocracy, even when abortions were widely considered a crime.

But opposition to abortion is not strictly a religious issue, any more than opposition to slavery is strictly a religious issue.

Most people publicly opposed to slavery were out-loud abolitionist Christians- was the ending of human chattel slavery imposed under a theocracy?

Dolce Far Niente on May 29, 2015 at 1:43 PM

This. Well said.

Aizen on May 29, 2015 at 1:46 PM

meth, loves me some meth.

weedisgood on May 29, 2015 at 1:43 PM

bernzright777 on May 29, 2015 at 1:47 PM

O/T: Lawyer who defrauded Social Security Disability in collusion with corrupt judge now being sued by his clients who are now being kicked off it.

This is a story Hot Air should be covering. We are talking about tens of millions of dollars in fraud FROM ONE SINGLE COURTROOM in Huntington, WV. There are probably hundreds more of these.

Plus the lawyer’s name is Eric C. Conn. It has clickbait written all over it…

ConstantineXI on May 29, 2015 at 1:47 PM

Good! More abortions means less liberals.

hardrock230 on May 29, 2015 at 1:48 PM

Being pro-life has nothing to do with conservatism it is mostly due to ones religious believes. It’s just that most conservatives tend to be Christians/religious. One doesn’t have to depend on the other.

weedisgood on May 29, 2015 at 1:42 PM

Maybe some people don’t like the idea of killing babies for convenience.

Maybe some people are revolted at the fact fully formed infants are stabbed in the head with scissors or burned with saline solutions … or dismembered with fetal saws.

Maybe some people think that murder shouldn’t have priority over screwing.

Maybe some people think it doesn’t have anything to do with religion at all.

darwin on May 29, 2015 at 1:48 PM

Everyone has a right to be born. Period. A woman owns her own body, sure, but the child, once created also owns his or her own body too.

ConstantineXI on May 29, 2015 at 1:44 PM

Rather, everyone has the right to live once they are born. Even if people want to debate the scientific definition of “birth” between conception and implantation and whatever else, the science is very clear on how a fetus develops after 4-5 months. And yet Democrats are the “mainstream” on abortion even though they support killing a developed human life because “wymynz ritez”.

Aizen on May 29, 2015 at 1:49 PM

BS, Weeds. I was pro-life long before I was Christian. And while it may be anecdotal, I don’t know any women personally that think unlimited abortion is superior to having the child or using the birth control designed to prevent it like a functional *adult except the brain-damaged morons in the Prog party.

Being pro-life has nothing to do with conservatism it is mostly due to ones religious believes. It’s just that most conservatives tend to be Christians/religious. One doesn’t have to depend on the other.

weedisgood on May 29, 2015 at 1:42 PM

Recon5 on May 29, 2015 at 1:51 PM

And the Mensa meeting has commenced.

This is not a theocracy.

weedisgood on May 29, 2015 at 1:36 PM

Recon5 on May 29, 2015 at 1:53 PM

Not surprised.
This is people indirectly telling so-cons to shove it

weedisgood on May 29, 2015 at 1:32 PM

This is not a theocracy.

weedisgood on May 29, 2015 at 1:36 PM

This is a country rotting from the inside out.

wifarmboy on May 29, 2015 at 1:53 PM

So, I don’t know one woman who isn’t pro-choice

This issue was settled with Roe vs Wade

Any of you do gooders here want to adopt all of the children born out of wedlock?

Redford on May 29, 2015 at 1:55 PM

hoomed idiot, can you say this on the Geller thread?

Schadenfreude on May 29, 2015 at 1:40 PM

meh

weedisgood on May 29, 2015 at 1:43 PM

Weed is bad for brains and the environment, really.

Schadenfreude on May 29, 2015 at 1:55 PM

Yeah, I really believe Gallup. Sure.

jaime on May 29, 2015 at 1:56 PM

choomed idiot, can you say this on the Geller thread?

Schadenfreude on May 29, 2015 at 1:40 PM

Schadenfreude on May 29, 2015 at 1:56 PM

Putin invented the art of disinformation and propagated it against the West.

The West’s illiberal thuggish left adopted it.

Schadenfreude on May 29, 2015 at 1:57 PM

Rather, everyone has the right to live once they are born. Even if people want to debate the scientific definition of “birth” between conception and implantation and whatever else, the science is very clear on how a fetus develops after 4-5 months. And yet Democrats are the “mainstream” on abortion even though they support killing a developed human life because “wymynz ritez”.

Aizen on May 29, 2015 at 1:49 PM

#LivelivesMatter

bernzright777 on May 29, 2015 at 2:02 PM

Redford on May 29, 2015 at 1:55 PM
So, I don’t know one woman who isn’t pro-choice

Ooooh! All my friends jumped so I did too. Strong argument.

This issue was settled with Roe vs Wade

And yet the person central to the decision later repented of her position and the fallacy of death to innocents.

Any of you do gooders here want to adopt all of the children born out of wedlock?

Well we know we can count you out, but then, as you implied, you are not a do gooder.

Neitherleftorright on May 29, 2015 at 2:03 PM

Not surprised.
This is people indirectly telling so-cons to shove it
 
weedisgood on May 29, 2015 at 1:32 PM

 
This is not a theocracy.
 
weedisgood on May 29, 2015 at 1:36 PM

 
As an engineer, what’s your general understanding regarding 74% and 26%?
 
Is one noticeably higher greater than the other?

rogerb on May 29, 2015 at 2:03 PM

Any of you do gooders here want to adopt all of the children born out of wedlock?

Redford on May 29, 2015 at 1:55 PM

I always love this line of reasoning.

Invariably believing that pro-lifers won’t make adoption easier, so they just have to take the not-aborted.

Package deal, bud.

nobar on May 29, 2015 at 2:04 PM

Not surprised.
This is people indirectly telling so-cons to shove it

weedisgood on May 29, 2015 at 1:32 PM

Yeah, that was my take as well…..

afterall, those So Cons are so damn pesky…why, they’re
in everyone’s business, making everyone behave the way
they want Everyone to behave!

Hey, know what?

Over 50% of the American People were telling the Obama
Administration to Shove it on the ACA…we still got it didn’t we??

See, the entire Country got an ABORTION on Health Care.

ToddPA on May 29, 2015 at 2:04 PM

Any of you do gooders here want to adopt all of the children born out of wedlock?

Redford on May 29, 2015 at 1:55 PM

Wow.

bernzright777 on May 29, 2015 at 2:04 PM

Any of you do gooders here want to adopt all of the children born out of wedlock?
 
Redford on May 29, 2015 at 1:55 PM

 
Out of curiosity, do these same rules apply for al qaeda ISIS?
 
Or will they get cheaper as they grow?

rogerb on May 29, 2015 at 2:06 PM

Not sure the details of the poll and the fine print of the statistics, but had any of the respondents been aborted?

tiptopsaidhe on May 29, 2015 at 2:07 PM

Polling results have a lot to do with the euphamisms used:

“Are you pro-Choice?”

“Do you support killing unborn children?”

I suspect the above questions would get different reponses from the same survey population.

HornHiAceDeuce on May 29, 2015 at 2:08 PM

Even in today’s poll, 36 percent say abortion should be illegal in all circumstances and another 19 percent say it should be legal in only “a few” circumstances — a majority of 55 percent who oppose abortion on demand, notwithstanding the “pro-choice” numbers. (Those who say abortion should be legal in all or most circumstances tally just 42 percent.)

Except the pro-life position is to make abortion illegal in all cases, i.e. just 36% of this poll. The pro-choice position is everything else, hence 19 + 42 = 61%. Very few pro-choicers really support abortion being legal in “all” cases. They want them performed by qualified medical personnel and are usually amenable to limits on late term abortion (with exemptions for the health of the mother).

Otherwise you really need to detail what these “few” circumstances are where prolifers are just fine with abortion. Rape and incest exemptions are verbotten for prolifers, except as a tactical step towards full illegality, while life of the mother exemptions are divisive.

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 2:08 PM

54,559,615 abortions performed in the United States since the Roe v Wade decision

Well one thing is for sure, Democrats sure love themselves a big body count.

TheMadHessian on May 29, 2015 at 2:12 PM

Germany passes Japan to have world’s lowest birth rate – study

ISIS dance in the street, again.

Schadenfreude on May 29, 2015 at 2:14 PM

I don’t get it. Is there supposed to be some correlation between Obama and people who want to kill unborn babies?

DDay on May 29, 2015 at 2:18 PM

Women also cited possible problems affecting the health of the fetus or concerns about their own health (13% and 12%, respectively).* Respondents wrote in a number of specific health reasons, from chronic or debilitating conditions such as cancer and cystic fibrosis to pregnancy-specific concerns such as gestational diabetes and morning sickness
 
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3711005.pdf

 
Because health of the mother or something.

rogerb on May 29, 2015 at 2:19 PM

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 2:08 PM

The ghoul has arrived. Wringing his hands feverishly, giddy with the smell of death.

Neitherleftorright on May 29, 2015 at 2:20 PM

After our midterms, the British elections, and other recent polling fiascos and questionable results, I no longer believe a damn thing polls say, even from generally reputable outfits like Gallup–I think people are sick of pollsters, push polling, and political manipulation by SJWs and no longer answer these questions honestly.

Doc Holliday on May 29, 2015 at 2:26 PM

As a Christian, and against the instincts of my flesh, I hope every abortionist and woman who has had an abortion or man who has advocated for a woman to have an abortion someday gets saved. Pro-tip: it’s going to sting… a lot.

Even the least of our sins is worthy of death, but some sins are harder to live with than others.

Immolate on May 29, 2015 at 2:34 PM

I conducted a poll as well, although be it personal, my results were that I believe any individual that chooses to abort a perfectly healthy baby while the eventual birth of said baby is no threat to them are found to be subhumans.

DDay on May 29, 2015 at 2:35 PM

Prenatal science deniers!

Blue Collar Todd on May 29, 2015 at 2:35 PM

It’s just that most conservatives tend to be Christians/religious. One doesn’t have to depend on the other.

weedisgood on May 29, 2015 at 1:42 PM

And why is that? Libs have no soul; they’re evil.

HiJack on May 29, 2015 at 2:41 PM

Being pro-life has nothing to do with conservatism… blah, blah blah

weedisgood on May 29, 2015 at 1:42 PM

But apparently being pro-Hillary makes you too d*mn stupid to read and answer questions!

Thanks for proving our point about low information voters!

dominigan on May 29, 2015 at 2:56 PM

Abortion is an issue which, quite frankly, is loaded with ironies.

I am personally against abortion, because no matter how many euphemisms you couch it in, is murder. Even worse, it is murder of the most innocent and helpless among us, our children.

1 Irony 1. The liberals, who claim to be the champions of human rights and the underdogs of this world, have through abortion, killed more people than Hitler, Stalin and Mao combined.

2 Irony 2. The children murdered are the “helpless underdogs” the liberals claim to be championing.

3 Irony 3. Abortion, politically, unquestionably, helps Republicans far more than it helps Democrats because it “culls” the poor–a disproportionately large percentage of them being black. These aborted children, if allowed to survive, would vote at least 80% Democratic.

So why would the Democrats, ultimate pragmatists that they are, allow a policy politically damaging to their cause? Because the backbone of the Democratic Party are the feminists–millions upon millions-who have made abortion their Holy Grail. Without these feminists, there is no viable Democratic Party.

But , being pragmatists, the Democrats can have their cake and eat it too. The votes they potentially lose through abortion can be regained through illegal alien Amnesty. Politically, at least, an illegal alien granted amnesty can be thought of as an aborted baby resurrected from the dead. (And if the dead baby also votes, it’s a double dip.)

MaiDee on May 29, 2015 at 3:04 PM

Jeez, guys. What’s the point of even having comments in the headlines anymore?

rogerb on May 29, 2015 at 1:31 PM

To provide more fodder for your obsessive-compulsive stalker portfolio on Hot Air commenters, you pervy lil creeper

Eva D. Struktion on May 29, 2015 at 3:06 PM

Jeez, guys. What’s the point of even having comments in the headlines anymore?
 
rogerb on May 29, 2015 at 1:31 PM

 
To provide more fodder for your obsessive-compulsive stalker portfolio on Hot Air commenters, you pervy lil creeper
 
Eva D. Struktion on May 29, 2015 at 3:06 PM

 
I especially enjoy that this is your only input on this thread.
 
Very nicely done.

rogerb on May 29, 2015 at 3:11 PM

Good! More abortions means less liberals.

hardrock230 on May 29, 2015 at 1:48 PM

Except polls show there are more liberals than ever, so I’d wager the number of geriatric baby boomer Republicans finally expiring is greater than the number of liberal-minded fetuses being aborted.

Eva D. Struktion on May 29, 2015 at 3:11 PM

Pro-Life needs a calm – no name calling – approach to chip away at this.
— Always use visual images of the unborn – (smiling, etc.)
— Consider the 20 weeks story line to gain ground
Anger and name calling will not win the hearts of the pro-choice population.
Show the beauty of the unborn – and touch hearts.
IMO
jake-the-goose on May 29, 2015 at 1:28 PM

Also, a compelling argument to fence sitters is knowledge of when a baby feels pain.

anuts on May 29, 2015 at 3:21 PM

Sixty million lives lost isn’t enough for the abortion extremists.

RJL on May 29, 2015 at 3:24 PM

Any of you do gooders here want to adopt all of the children born out of wedlock?
Redford on May 29, 2015 at 1:55 PM

Not even remotely relatable to the the moral dilemma of taking an innocent life out of mere convenience.

anuts on May 29, 2015 at 3:30 PM

A paid for liberal weighted poll again. Whatever.

Andy__B on May 29, 2015 at 3:31 PM

Sigh.

Everybody is for “choice” and the “freedom to choose.” They are what is known in rhetoric as “God terms,” words that tend to evoke a positive response from the listener. “Progress” may be the most abused of these.

But if you run an issues poll, which so depends upon wording and the order of questions to set the mood of the respondent, the use of such language will tend to bias the result. You may notice Gallup’s issues polls have suddenly this year taken a sharp left turn. Has the country changed so suddenly? Or is Gallup setting it up for Hillary?

They can always rely on useful fools in media to report the results breathlessly as “breaking news,” that’s for sure.

Adjoran on May 29, 2015 at 3:32 PM

Any of you do gooders here want to adopt all of the children born out of wedlock?

Redford on May 29, 2015 at 1:55 PM

I think you’re about 40 or 50 years behind the times, Sparky.

White infants* are so rare and so hard to adopt in the USA that millions of couples wanting to adopt languish for YEARS on waiting lists, which is why so many are willing to pay the 10s of thousands of dollars necessary to pay for overseas adoptions. There are NO- zip, zero, nada- healthy white infants waiting to be adopted.

*White couples are almost never approved for adoption of black infants, particularly now that the Catholic Church is being forced out of the adoption business, and married black couples (the few that exist) do not adopt in significant numbers. Sadly, black babies given up for adoption will likely spend their lives in foster care.

Ignorance of reality is no excuse to be a leftist.

Dolce Far Niente on May 29, 2015 at 3:38 PM

The ghoul has arrived. Wringing his hands feverishly, giddy with the smell of death.

Neitherleftorright on May 29, 2015 at 2:20 PM

Man I hope there are no gugs around.

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 3:55 PM

I think this is a positive development.

The more that leftists ethnically (or ideologically) cleanse themselves off the planet by eliminating generations of their own progeny, the better off humanity as a whole will be.

It’s as ironic as it is poetic in its Darwinianism.

Star Bird on May 29, 2015 at 3:57 PM

White infants* are so rare and so hard to adopt in the USA that millions of couples wanting to adopt languish for YEARS on waiting lists, which is why so many are willing to pay the 10s of thousands of dollars necessary to pay for overseas adoptions. There are NO- zip, zero, nada- healthy white infants waiting to be adopted.

Dolce Far Niente on May 29, 2015 at 3:38 PM

Well at least you openly admit that healthy white infants are the only ones that matter to you.

By the way your story on whites not being allowed to adopt blacks- complete horse$hit.

Tlaloc on May 29, 2015 at 4:05 PM

Shocking…AllahPundit blogging again about yet another poll…don’t we have enough poll driven news stories without being subjected to it here.

thesorcerer on May 29, 2015 at 5:01 PM

xcept the pro-life position is to make abortion illegal in all cases

“Raise the U.S.S. Liberty!” on May 29, 2015 at 2:08 PM

If you can prove this Lie with credible and multi-sourced cites, we’ll stop laughing at you.

Too bad you can’t!

Just one example, via wiki:

Exclusively secular-humanist positions against abortion tend to be a minority viewpoint among pro-life advocates.

F-

Del Dolemonte on May 29, 2015 at 5:40 PM

Like Tialoc…it is pro death…not choice.

CW on May 29, 2015 at 5:54 PM

So, I don’t know one woman who isn’t pro-choice

I am not sure why you included this. Look at the polls , while not a majority, plenty of women are pro life and against abortion.

This issue was settled with Roe vs Wade

Well, err , derp…not really. Do you know how many laws have been enacted since then regarding abortion?

From the pro death Guttmacher.org

BACKGROUND: Since the Supreme Court handed down its 1973 decisions in Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton, states
have constructed a lattice work of abortion law, codifying, regulating and limiting whether, when and under what
circumstances a woman may obtain an abortion. The following table highlights the major provisions of these state laws.
More detailed information can be found by selecting the table column headings in blue. Except where noted, the laws are
in effect, although they may not always be enforced.

Any of you do gooders here want to adopt all of the children born out of wedlock?

Redford on May 29, 2015 at 1:55 PM

Are you against homelessness? The battery of women or men? Animal abuse? Child abuse?

If so, are you willing to take them in?

CW on May 29, 2015 at 6:15 PM

None of the polls have the courage to ask Americans the real question on this topic.

DO YOU WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO BE IN CHARGE OF PREGNANCY?

You can be pro-whatever. That’s called having an opinion. Ask people, and women in particular, if they want the government to be in charge of their uterus.

See what kind of numbers you get on that.

Moesart on May 29, 2015 at 8:04 PM

See what kind of numbers you get on that.

Moesart on May 29, 2015 at 8:04 PM

Most Americans support regulation of abortion.

BTW – is that how you determine right and wrong?

CW on May 29, 2015 at 8:30 PM

Interesting, not so much as a serious gauge of public views of abortion as a gauge of public views on who’s driving the agenda in Washington. After all, regardless of how they identify, most Americans aren’t pro-choice or pro-life across the board.

Posted at 1:21 PM on May 29, 2015 by Allahpundit

. . . . . when asked whether “pro-choice” or “pro-life” best summarizes their views, how Americans respond probably has more to do with broader political currents than with any sea change on abortion itself.

Posted at 1:21 PM on May 29, 2015 by Allahpundit

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Due to “peer pressure”, we’ll never get the truth from any of these polls.

listens2glenn on May 30, 2015 at 7:11 AM

None of the polls have the courage to ask Americans the real question on this topic.

DO YOU WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO BE IN CHARGE OF PREGNANCY?

You can be pro-whatever. That’s called having an opinion. Ask people, and women in particular, if they want the government to be in charge of their uterus.

See what kind of numbers you get on that.

Moesart on May 29, 2015 at 8:04 PM

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If we (pro-lifers) were lobbying for having the government mandate inseminating, and impregnating women against their will, then that question has relevance.

That is not what pro-lifers are advocating for, so the question “DO YOU WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO BE IN CHARGE OF PREGNANCY?” is a false pretense.

listens2glenn on May 30, 2015 at 7:22 AM

Moesart on May 29, 2015 at 8:04 PM

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Try asking people:

“At what point do you believe a human embryo can be called a ‘real person’?”

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listens2glenn on May 30, 2015 at 7:27 AM

The death penalty, bad for proven murderers, good for innocent unborn. Frking Murdercrats disgust me.

S. D. on May 30, 2015 at 10:01 AM