Marco Rubio: We’re at the water’s edge of mainstream Christian teachings being branded “hate speech”

posted at 8:41 pm on May 26, 2015 by Allahpundit

Via the Brody File, hard to believe a country that’s 70 percent Christian would acquiesce in a legal regime like that, but then I look at this poll and remember we’ve already reached the point where Christian-owned businesses can be effectively shuttered by the state for politely declining to participate in a gay wedding. It’d be more accurate to say that the effort to brand Christian teachings that undermine progressivism as “hate speech” has already begun in the public sphere, with the fate of the private sphere still undetermined. Based on early indications, though, merely entertaining an opponent of same-sex marriage in your home has already risen to the level of a felony thoughtcrime, provided that he’s famous enough.

Over at the Daily Beast, Tim Teeman responds to Rubio with a nice illustration of Rod Dreher’s Law of Merited Impossibility: It’s hysterical fearmongering to believe that gay marriage will threaten Christians, but to the extent that Christian teaching is prejudiced, well, then you deserve it.

“Because today we’ve reached the point in our society where if you do not support same-sex marriage you are labeled a homophobe and a hater,” Rubio said. Absurdly. You are only labeled a ‘homophobe’ and ‘hater’ if you come out and say something homophobic and hateful.

Mr. Rubio, despite great provocation by you and others like you, LGBTs and their supporters—many of whom are Christian, by the way—who back equality actually think you can say and think whatever you like, as long as it doesn’t incite violence and hatred. If it does, they will object, as any reasonable person might.

If you claim that LGBTs do not deserve marriage equality, and your argument has the ring of prejudice about it—and it necessarily would because you are arguing against the principles of equality—then expect to be called out for it.

But you are not being silenced. You are being disagreed with.

I don’t know. Does telling a gay couple “I can’t provide flowers for your wedding because my faith doesn’t recognize your union” have the “ring of prejudice” about it? If the attorney general of the state can level a six-figure fine for a statement like that, wrecking the business owner’s livelihood, is that being “disagreed with” or “being silenced”? If lefties are going to be ruthless with Christian holdouts from the new gay-marriage regime, they should have the decency to acknowledge the ruthlessness.

Interesting that Rubio’s using language like this now, though, after telling the media a few weeks ago that he’d probably attend a friend’s gay wedding if asked. That seems like a contradiction — why enable a legal regime that’s marginalizing Christians? — but it doesn’t need to be. What he’s objecting to in the clip isn’t so much the practice of gay marriage (although, for the record, he objects to that too) as the refusal of supporters to grant accommodations to businesses whose owners object on religious grounds. Those two should be separate issues, but increasingly they aren’t. How come?


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Well, that’s the whole point isn’t it?

Authoritarian leftist lunatics pine for hate speech legislation, because it then allows them to “regulate” any speech they arbitrarily decide to label as “hate.”

Take particular note, how they refer to anything and/or everything as hate speech that doesn’t overtly comply to the whims of the Collective.

Star Bird on May 26, 2015 at 8:46 PM

Marco Rubio: We’re at the water’s edge of mainstream Christian teachings being branded “hate speech”

Probably because that is what HotAir wants.

TheMadHessian on May 26, 2015 at 8:48 PM

I agree with Rubio on this!

bluegill on May 26, 2015 at 8:48 PM

…when do they start the crucifixions?

JugEarsButtHurt on May 26, 2015 at 8:49 PM

It’s not the first time.

Galtian on May 26, 2015 at 8:50 PM

Need more Christian riots.

Rix on May 26, 2015 at 8:53 PM

Intolerance for the Christian viewpoint is hate speech itself. Pretty soon no one will be able to say anything.

rbj on May 26, 2015 at 8:53 PM

But what is actually hate speech – Islam – Koran – Hadith – Sura – are totally protected even after 9/11 and ISIS, both of which are as Islam as it gets, to the bone.

VorDaj on May 26, 2015 at 9:00 PM

…when do they start the crucifixions?

JugEarsButtHurt on May 26, 2015 at 8:49 PM

Do you mean like the Muslim Turks did 100 years ago and the Muslim ISIS does now?

VorDaj on May 26, 2015 at 9:01 PM

In a totalitarian state everything that is not under complete state control is an enemy to be obliterated.

VorDaj on May 26, 2015 at 9:03 PM

you can say and think whatever you like, as long as it doesn’t incite violence and hatred.

But you see, this is actually a tautology for those opposed to gay marriage because if you do say what you think it will incite violence and hatred in those who disagree with you. Just ask those pizza shop folks in Indiana and any number of others.

mdavt on May 26, 2015 at 9:03 PM

Long live Otho de Lagery!

VorDaj on May 26, 2015 at 9:04 PM

Long live Charles Martel!

VorDaj on May 26, 2015 at 9:07 PM

The attempt by the progressive left to take moral authority away from religion and assign it to the state. That worked out well in Germany didn’t it.

pc253 on May 26, 2015 at 9:08 PM

Having Allahpundit, Hot Air’s self-professed atheist, be the author of this piece is really just a giant middle finger to the Christian conservative readership of this site, but I guess that’s entirely the point.

Right Mover on May 26, 2015 at 9:12 PM

But what is actually hate speech – Islam – Koran – Hadith – Sura – are totally protected even after 9/11 and ISIS, both of which are as Islam as it gets, to the bone.

VorDaj on May 26, 2015 at 9:00 PM

We get an effin severe hit and num nutz Bush says shortly after “it’s a religion of peace.” Then we keep allowing more muzzies in after that event, and Barry opens the flood gates. I’m a bit worried that this shit ain’t going to have a happy ending. But hey, maybe I’m just a curmudgeon.

arnold ziffel on May 26, 2015 at 9:13 PM

Having Allahpundit, Hot Air’s self-professed atheist, be the author of this piece is really just a giant middle finger to the Christian conservative readership of this site, but I guess that’s entirely the point.

Right Mover on May 26, 2015 at 9:12 PM

AllahP is not the problem. He doesn’t make fun of Christians, thinks very clearly, sees the big picture. His atheism is his choice.

arnold ziffel on May 26, 2015 at 9:16 PM

Satanists will be suing over the hate speech of “Get thee behind me, Satan!” shortly.

profitsbeard on May 26, 2015 at 9:17 PM

Authoritarian leftist lunatics pine for hate speech legislation, because it then allows them to “regulate” any speech they arbitrarily decide to label as “hate.”

Star Bird on May 26, 2015 at 8:46 PM

Very true. Protected minorities (Muslims, blacks, athiests, LaRaza, LGBT, etc.) can say whatever they want with no reprocussions. Hate speech regulations are aimed at straight Christians.

Political correctness is the #1 enemy of freedom.

bw222 on May 26, 2015 at 9:22 PM

Give it a rest, will ya?

Meredith on May 26, 2015 at 8:50 PM

TheMadHessian on May 26, 2015 at 9:28 PM

Interesting to see AP, one of the original pro-gay marriage flame throwers against any dissent acting like he cares about what happens to Christians.

besser tot als rot on May 26, 2015 at 9:32 PM

Rubio is not alone; these are things conservative church groups should be, and are, concerned about. It’s a different America, and a very different take on “freedom of Religion,” than what we have had for the past two hundred years or so….

notropis on May 26, 2015 at 9:32 PM

And remember to thank all the Hot Air articles in favor of SSM. You reap what you so. It’s beyond naive to think that you can appease this movement. Now, the consequences are coming. Those who revel in their sin cannot tolerate anyone questioning their morality. They must attack the First Amendment so they can punish anyone who dares object to their moral choices.

Blue Collar Todd on May 26, 2015 at 9:39 PM

Pretty soon, Hot Air is going to get Gabriel Malor to write a post about how horrible gay advocates are to Christians. That’ll be a hoot too.

besser tot als rot on May 26, 2015 at 9:40 PM

And remember to thank all the Hot Air articles in favor of SSM.

Blue Collar Todd on May 26, 2015 at 9:39 PM

Hot Air’s disingenuous non-stop strawman based advocacy of all things gay is one of the primary reasons that I went from a daily Hot Air reader to an infrequent reader.

besser tot als rot on May 26, 2015 at 9:43 PM

…when do they start the crucifixions?

JugEarsButtHurt on May 26, 2015 at 8:49 PM

They leave that to their military arm – ISIS.

Decaf on May 26, 2015 at 9:53 PM

First of all, the country is NOT 70% Christian.

Cleombrotus on May 26, 2015 at 9:54 PM

Having Allahpundit, Hot Air’s self-professed atheist, be the author of this piece is really just a giant middle finger to the Christian conservative readership of this site, but I guess that’s entirely the point.

Right Mover on May 26, 2015 at 9:12 PM

I’m pretty sure all the writers at Hot Air are pro-gay marriage except Ed Morrissey.

terryannonline on May 26, 2015 at 9:56 PM

“…water’s edge”? We’re at least up to our ankles.

“Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.” -Jesus of Nazareth, Matthew 5

Akzed on May 26, 2015 at 9:57 PM

“Because today we’ve reached the point in our society where if you do not support same-sex marriage you are labeled a homophobe and a hater,” Rubio said. Absurdly. You are only labeled a ‘homophobe’ and ‘hater’ if you come out and say something homophobic and hateful.

*loud sigh* i cannot bang my head into the wall enough times. i cannot.

yeah, you know what?? you lefties automatically assume, often falsely, that anyone who says anything against gay marriage is a hateful homophobe!!!! it makes me SO mad, so mad. they never blame themselves. they never think ‘hmm maybe assuming things about other people is not cool!’

i won’t even read the rest of that article because i already know what it says. i’ll sum it up: “Christians never receive hate, that never happens. no no no. just because people call them out on their terrible beliefs doesn’t mean that they are treating Christians unfairly, nope not at all! everyone is tolerant of Christians as long as they don’t have terrible beliefs like being against homosexuality. then it’s okay to not be tolerant. but that tooootally isn’t hate.”

Sachiko on May 26, 2015 at 9:57 PM

If you claim that LGBTs do not deserve marriage equality, and your argument has the ring of prejudice about it—and it necessarily would because you are arguing against the principles of equality—then expect to be called out for it.

But you are not being silenced. You are being disagreed with.

Poison the well much, Mr. Teeman?

Cleombrotus on May 26, 2015 at 9:58 PM

What he’s objecting to in the clip isn’t so much the practice of gay marriage (although, for the record, he objects to that too) as the refusal of supporters to grant accommodations to businesses whose owners object on religious grounds. Those two should be separate issues, but increasingly they aren’t. How come?

How come? Because the gay marriage proponents see it as the same thing.

Decaf on May 26, 2015 at 9:58 PM

First of all, the country is NOT 70% Christian.

Cleombrotus on May 26, 2015 at 9:54 PM

SO TRUE. the 70% would count people who call themselves “Christian” but rarely read the Bible, rarely go to church, think there are other ways to heaven besides Jesus, and ignore certain parts of the Bible because of peer pressure.

people who call themselves Christian and actually take Christianity seriously? i don’t know that percentage but it’s definitely not 70%, that’s for sure.

Sachiko on May 26, 2015 at 10:01 PM

Obama desecrates Memorial Day. The U.S Military will now be committed to advance an Islamic Grand Caliphate. Hard to imagine? Its easy if you try, by simply reading our report.

Any journalist worth his salt can ask the White House press secretary Josh Earnest: Sir, how is it that we claim to fight a war on terror in Syria, while Saudi Arabia, The Gulf States, Turkey and now even the U.S. Military are now sent to support terrorists: al-Qaeda’s affiliate Jabhat al-Nusra (a recognized terrorist organization) and Jaish al-Fatah (Army of Conquest) which was previously Ahrar ash-Sham, renaming itself on March 24 2015?

Both are terrorists Islamic Caliphate minded and both operate just like ISIS, with all the blood and gore. The largest group in the Army of Conquest, which includes a coalition of Muslim Brotherhood of Syria linked battalions. Vice News tries to document for western consumption what any seasoned analyst can see, the anti-Bashar forces are Jihadi terrorists

By this our U.S. troops are committed, not to fight a war for freedom, but to aid and abet pure evil.

So much for Memorial Day.

VorDaj on May 26, 2015 at 10:02 PM

Sachiko on May 26, 2015 at 9:57 PM

Never be amazed, surprised, or discouraged by hostility to Christianity. It is the Divine stamp of approval upon your faith that you are reviled for it. A twisted, envious blind man may call you names because you can see, but you needn’t hate the blind man in return. As soon as you do, he wins. Your surrender to his irrational rage is the only way he can win. You have won already – so long as you don’t give in.

Akzed on May 26, 2015 at 10:04 PM

SO TRUE. the 70% would count people who call themselves “Christian” but rarely read the Bible, rarely go to church, think there are other ways to heaven besides Jesus, and ignore certain parts of the Bible because of peer pressure.

Sachiko on May 26, 2015 at 10:01 PM

Heck I know people who go to church and read the Bible and STILL believe stuff like Jesus isn’t the only path to Heaven.

terryannonline on May 26, 2015 at 10:05 PM

Rubio is not alone; these are things conservative church groups should be, and are, concerned about. It’s a different America, and a very different take on “freedom of Religion,” than what we have had for the past two hundred years or so….

But the Pope is more concerned about climate change.

Decaf on May 26, 2015 at 10:05 PM

His sudden leap of father..with a presidential campaign underway – meanwhile the borders are flooded and he’s giving campaign speeches in Spanish.

Anyone falling for this is a sucker.

celt on May 26, 2015 at 10:13 PM

When you get down to it, these people are unhappy, mostly worthless people who try to find meaning in their otherwise mundane lives by trying to build their gripes and inconveniences into what early 60’s blacks had to endure – utterly absurd, but believing that is what gives their otherwise boring lives meaning.

When you understand that, it makes sense that they think that they can use the jackboot of government to the same extent that it was used to forcibly remove the vestiges of slavery.

crrr6 on May 26, 2015 at 10:20 PM

Sachiko on May 26, 2015 at 10:01 PM

terryannonline on May 26, 2015 at 10:05 PM

Heck, the country isn’t even 70% moralistic churchgoers, let alone Christian.

Cleombrotus on May 26, 2015 at 10:21 PM

If you claim that LGBTs do not deserve marriage equality, and your argument has the ring of prejudice about it—and it necessarily would because you are arguing against the principles of equality—then expect to be called out for it.

You know, statements like this should just be mocked and laughed at.

Cleombrotus on May 26, 2015 at 10:22 PM

The most hateful speech a Christian can direct at a gay is this:

“Jesus went up on the cross so that you could be spared the punishment you righfully deserve for your total failure to measure up to God’s standard of holiness.

“By going up on the cross and taking your punishment in your place, Jesus owns the right to patch things up between you and God.

“Why not accept Jesus’s gracious offer to help you get right with God and start walking in the light, instead of the dark?”

I look forward to the day when our government outlaws such hateful speech (‘cuz if history is any indicator, the attempt to ban the Gospel and its message of hate will only cause it to go viral throughout the land).

FlameWarrior on May 26, 2015 at 10:42 PM

In a response to this the Liberal website Think Progress pretty makes affirms their goal. Don’t bother reading it. But here’s the last line.

Rubio should not be concerned that his religious beliefs might soon be considered bigotry, but that they already are.

What do you think will happens if the Supreme Court legalizes SSM? They will then have the force of law to undermine the First Amendment and label anyone who dares say homosexuality is a sin, basic Christian belief, a “bigot” and thus punish the heretics accordingly. Anyone who supports SSM is no friend of freedom.

Blue Collar Todd on May 26, 2015 at 10:45 PM

His sudden leap of father..with a presidential campaign underway – meanwhile the borders are flooded and he’s giving campaign speeches in Spanish.

Anyone falling for this is a sucker.

celt on May 26, 2015 at 10:13 PM

This, he’s trying to win votes in Iowa/SC.

He’s bought and paid for, but the donors realize he needs to throw a little red meat to the “rubes”.

All of the donors for Rubio, Cruz, pretty much everyone, are socially liberal

Open borders, social liberal, invade countries in the mid east, those are the main issues for GOP donors.

Redstone on May 26, 2015 at 11:03 PM

I look forward to the day when our government outlaws such hateful speech (‘cuz if history is any indicator, the attempt to ban the Gospel and its message of hate will only cause it to go viral throughout the land).

FlameWarrior on May 26, 2015 at 10:42 PM

Hey idiot, that is the Christian belief concerning the redemption of man. It is the fundamental belief of the Christian faith. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with sexual orientation, but you already knew that. Nice of you to co opt it and use it for your own personal vendetta against people who do not share your views. Not a surprise at all and typical of the distortions of the slimy, slithering, lying progressive ideology that you represent.

pc253 on May 26, 2015 at 11:10 PM

It’s getting really hard to keep up.

In Canada, if you serve gays for their wedding by making them custom rings, they ask for a refund.

If the USA, if you don’t serve them, they sue you into serving them.

Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

Baggi on May 26, 2015 at 11:22 PM

I guess Tim Teeman doesn’t think that a $135,000 fine for politely declining to bake the wedding cake doesn’t silence people. I guess a ruinous fine is just ‘disagreement’ in his view.

LilyBart on May 26, 2015 at 11:24 PM

Those two should be separate issues, but increasingly they aren’t. How come?

That is a clear correct answer to that question, but I’m sure we are all going to dance around it. It is a horrible Supreme Court decision in 1983: Bob Jones University v. United States

Stopping racism wasn’t worth eliminating freedom of association in that way.

thuja on May 26, 2015 at 11:59 PM

Haven’t y’all wondered how 3% of the population could command the power to shut up all who disagree with them? Gays may some day be dismayed when they realize that they are only a tool for the far left to shut up Christians. Gays think they are the end but they are just the means to the end. All tyrants have to shut down people of faith before they can establish their totalitarian system. Hitler, Stalin, Mao — it’s all the same. The question is will we in the USA stand for the first amendment or not? Jury’s still out.

Christian Conservative on May 27, 2015 at 12:12 AM

If lefties are going to be ruthless with Christian holdouts from the new gay-marriage regime, they should have the decency to acknowledge the ruthlessness.

That’s … funny.

Haven’t y’all wondered how 3% of the population could command the power to shut up all who disagree with them? Gays may some day be dismayed when they realize that they are only a tool for the far left to shut up Christians. Gays think they are the end but they are just the means to the end.
Christian Conservative on May 27, 2015 at 12:12 AM

Same way Communists used “fellow travelers” back in the day.
And still does, come to think of it.

AesopFan on May 27, 2015 at 12:35 AM

That is a clear correct answer to that question, but I’m sure we are all going to dance around it. It is a horrible Supreme Court decision in 1983: Bob Jones University v. United States

Stopping racism wasn’t worth eliminating freedom of association in that way.

thuja on May 26, 2015 at 11:59 PM

SCOTUS was flat out wrong. No one was forcing anyone to go to BJU. They can practice as they believe and should have been left alone as an outlier Christian institution. Even the Westboro group is entitled to their tax exempt status. Either all get it or none at all. The govt should not be in the business of determining legit doctrine. That said, the Constitution is not a suicide part and Islam should be banned from the land.

AH_C on May 27, 2015 at 1:37 AM

six figures versus Cruel and Unusual punishments (see 8th amendment:excessive fines)but GOP has no time to protect base

joeindc44 on May 27, 2015 at 2:04 AM

many of whom are Christian, by the way

According to scripture, any sexual relations outside of a covenant relationship between one man and one woman, is sin. Anyone committing habitual sin is not a Christian. Those who are supporters of those committing habitual sin are not Christian either. Teeman is simply an ignoramus trying to redefine Christianity into something it can not be.

Quartermaster on May 27, 2015 at 6:34 AM

LGBTs and their supporters—many of whom are Christian, by the way

Not according to scripture.

tommyboy on May 27, 2015 at 7:51 AM

Interesting to see AP, one of the original pro-gay marriage flame throwers against any dissent acting like he cares about what happens to Christians.

besser tot als rot on May 26, 2015 at 9:32 PM

Seriously, man, chill. I’m a Christian who’s anti-“gay marriage” and yet AP is my favorite blogger. Plus, it drives libs that I know crazy when I can post an AP article saying “This guy’s an atheist and pro-gay marriage and yet he even states that refusing to provide service for a gay wedding is not bigoted and not discrimination”.

DethMetalCookieMonst on May 27, 2015 at 8:40 AM

Christianity will revert to what it was in the beginning……an underground subversive Godfearing partizan organization dedicated to the overthrow of violence, hate, sexual perversion, orgies, slavery and torture, while the world at large hunts them down in order to make lion food of them

clandestine on May 27, 2015 at 9:21 AM

But you are not being silenced. You are being disagreed with.

When someone calls your wedding chapel to schedule a service, and then calls the police on you when they decline to serve you, is not merely disagreeing with you but actively working to harm your business in retribution.

Particularly chilling because the caller in question lives 2500 miles away.

And is already married.

To another woman.

The Schaef on May 27, 2015 at 9:53 AM

I’m awaiting the day when the msm highlights Muslim businesses refusing service to homosexuals. Hahahahahahahaha….

vnvet on May 27, 2015 at 10:14 AM

Allah stop calling it gay marriage. It is same sex marriage, and NO the two terms are not the same. I do not have to be gay to marry another man. The government will not require me to have sex with my partner before I am given my marriage license.

I need to start a same sex marriage pre-nup/marriage/divorce company that will help heterosexual persons navigate the marriage laws in each state. This way I will help them get married for short periods of time to their best friend, then once they find someone else they want to marrying I will help facilitate the quick divorce and remarriage to another person, man or women doesn’t matter. All that matter is maximizing the marriage benefits for each person. No sense letting my government or company benefits go to waste when I can let my best friend get me health care and tax breaks simply by getting a piece of paper from a county office.

Jutt518 on May 27, 2015 at 10:17 AM

Allah’s actually, I think, the most pro-straight marriage of any of the bloggers here. For you youngun’s, back during the Prop 8 riots, we had gay posters claiming that if you held a cross up, you deserved what you got; which was assaulted by gay mobs.

Allahpundit was the one staffer who jumped in, criticizing the gay posters. He may be pro-SSM, but it’s pretty weak if so. And I wouldn’t be surprised if he renounces it fairly soon, as he’s realizing that SSM is really anti-religious freedom and pro-tyranny, first and foremost.

Vanceone on May 27, 2015 at 11:56 AM

I look forward to the day when our government outlaws such hateful speech (‘cuz if history is any indicator, the attempt to ban the Gospel and its message of hate will only cause it to go viral throughout the land).

FlameWarrior on May 26, 2015 at 10:42 PM

Hey idiot, that is the Christian belief concerning the redemption of man. It is the fundamental belief of the Christian faith. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with sexual orientation, but you already knew that. Nice of you to co opt it and use it for your own personal vendetta against people who do not share your views. Not a surprise at all and typical of the distortions of the slimy, slithering, lying progressive ideology that you represent.

pc253 on May 26, 2015 at 11:10 PM

First of all, it’s Mister Idiot to you, chump.

Second of all, there is no one on this site — absolutely no one — who is a more slimy, slithering, lying progressive ideologist than ME (with the exception of you).

So why don’t you join pathetic and evil me in coopting Jesus’s message of redemption by meeting me at the foot of His cross, where you and I together can kneel before Him, thank him for taking upon Himself the inconceivable punishment that was meant for you and me, accept His freely given pardon, and start enjoying the promise of eternal life with Him in heaven?

FlameWarrior on May 27, 2015 at 12:37 PM

Several years ago, Canada flirted briefly with prosecuting several pastor’s biblical preaching against homosexuality. Those cases meandered up to Canada’s supreme court only to rule in favor of the pastor’s religious free speech rights.

Mark Steyn had his own run-in with Canada’s hate speech meat grinder in his criticism of violent islamists (but that’s a separate issue).

The problem with the compulsive accommodation of homosexual behavior to affect a change in public policy is that it’s bad public policy to base public policy on private behavior. And sodomy is private behavior. So is religion goes the retort. Yes. But last I looked freedom of religion is a Constitutional right; sodomy is not.

Plus, it’s the essence of tyranny to require people to curtail their religious convictions in order to force them to participate in affirming a perverse and immoral behavior.

Again, public policy based on private behavior is bad public policy.

locomotivebreath1901 on May 27, 2015 at 1:25 PM

If lefties are going to be ruthless with Christian holdouts from the new gay-marriage regime, they should have the decency to acknowledge the ruthlessness.

AP, I’ve been waiting for you to have the decency to write about those who support marriage, summarize their cogent arguments, and seriously think through and discuss the consequences of what redefining marriage will mean for families, children, and the country.

Vanceone on May 27, 2015 at 11:56 AM

I couldn’t disagree more. While AP has certainly decried persecution and violence after the fact, he’s the top editor here. While he probably gives other a free range, the incredible lack of facts and fairness in the posts on marriage and the constant barrage of gay propaganda posts is telling. He has written posts that haven’t fairly discussed the arguments for marriage, and he let Noah push factually wrong statements. Bloggers on the right are supposed to be known for fact-checking and fairness. HA has been gay propaganda for years.

I can’t remember the last time that Ed wrote a pro-marriage post. Maybe I missed it, but the last one I remember from him must have been well over a year ago, and it presented the fallacious argument of getting gov out of marriage.

The best front page marriage post I can recall was one written by Doc Zero, John Hayward, several years ago for the Green Room that was promoted to the front page. That’s reprehensible for a site that claims to offer “Breaking news from a conservative viewpoint.”

INC on May 27, 2015 at 2:49 PM

locomotivebreath1901 on May 27, 2015 at 1:25 PM

Dawn Stefanowicz has written on the far reaching consequences in Canada since same-sex “marriage” became the law.
A Warning from Canada: Same-Sex Marriage Erodes Fundamental Rights

A summary of her column:

…If your beliefs, values, and political opinions are different from the state’s, you risk losing your professional license, job, or business, and even your children….

INC on May 27, 2015 at 2:57 PM

we’ve already reached the point where Christian-owned businesses can be effectively shuttered by the state for politely declining to participate in a gay wedding refusing service to people based on sexual orientation.

See how when you more accurately describe the issue it all of a sudden makes perfect sense?

Tlaloc on May 27, 2015 at 3:21 PM

Marco Rubio: We’re at the water’s edge of mainstream Christian teachings being branded “hate speech”

Mainstream christian churches used to teach that blacks were subhuman animals to which man (meaning of course the white man) was given dominion by God itself.

If the Church had insisted on sticking to that position yes it would have been deemed hate speech by now, but the church adapted and survived. It’ll be the same here. Sooner or later (actually it’s already happened to a number of churches) christians will realize how badly this facet of the culture war has been lost and will accept that homosexual marriage is a thing they need to live with. They will then quietly adapt their “deeply held moral positions” to work in the modern world, as they’ve done millions of times before.

Tl;dr- the church isn’t as dumb as Rubio thinks.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2015 at 3:27 PM

Tl;dr- the church isn’t as dumb as Rubio thinks.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2015 at 3:27 PM

Indeed not. we’re already planning to go underground as a matter of fact and will shelve those plans only if we get a miracle.

LawfulGood on May 30, 2015 at 4:02 PM