Poll: Democrats now view socialism as favorably as they view capitalism

posted at 7:21 pm on May 11, 2015 by Allahpundit

What’s the key factor here? Democrats drifting left over time as Clinton’s coalition was replaced by Obama’s? Or the word “socialism” being watered down since its Cold War heyday?

The One promised us a transformational presidency. Mission accomplished.

52% of Americans have a favorable view of capitalism, while only 26% have a favorable view of socialism. Among younger Americans, however, attitudes are a lot more divided. 36% of under-30s have a positive view of socialism, while 39% have a positive view of capitalism. Among over-65s, who came of age at the height of the Cold War, only 15% look upon socialism favorably while 59% have a like capitalism.

Democrats (43%) are also much more likely than either independents (22%) or Republicans (9%) to have a favorable view of socialism. Democrats, in fact, are as likely to have a favorable view of capitalism (43%) as socialism.

The age gap suggests a heapin’ helpin’ of post-Soviet ignorance among younger adults as to what socialism in its purer forms is capable of. If you’re a twentysomething, you may know “socialism” mainly as a GOP attack line whenever Obama starts babbling about raising the minimum wage or whatever. When asked whether they consider “socialist” a compliment, an insult, or a neutral term, the general public splits 8/35/36 — i.e. a plurality sees no stigma — while Democrats split 11/17/44 — a majority sees no stigma. Interestingly, though, the numbers change when you ask how they’d feel about a presidential candidate who calls himself a “socialist”:

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Blacks split 18/17/29 on whether “socialist” is a compliment, insult, or neutral term, but once you ask them about someone running for president under that banner, they — and pretty much everyone else — start getting nervous. Same goes for Democrats generally, although not quite to the same degree:

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What explains the discrepancy? It may be that people take the term “socialist” more or less seriously depending upon context. A garden-variety Democrat may fancy himself a socialist, or be attacked as one by the right, for supporting the welfare state and redistribution and criticizing income inequality. If you’re a politician with national ambitions, though, and you feel obliged to distinguish yourself from other Democratic pols by carrying the stigma of “socialist” into political battle, then chances are you’re less a traditional Great Society leftist and more a committed far-left ideologue. No one with something to lose as prestigious as higher office adopts the “socialist” mantle unless they really want to be known as a socialist, signaling that they’re more of a fringe-dweller than the average liberal Democrat is. Twenty-five years after the Cold War ended, there may yet be an awareness out there that socialism is fine in theory but not something you want crawling the halls of power in the form of a true believer.

One last tidbit in lieu of an exit question, for what it’s worth: When YouGov asked people how likely they think it is that they’ll become millionaires someday, the groups with the highest percentages saying “very likely or “somewhat likely” were blacks and Hispanics at 39 and 31 percent, respectively. Just 16 percent of whites said the same. That’s not a result you would expect given that minorities on average are poorer than whites and have a longer way to go to reach millionaire status. What explains it?


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Considering that teacher in schools have no idea what the difference is, I am not surprised.

Education begins at home, and Republicans and conservatives believe in that, liberals believe it’s the governments job, and minorities do what the liberals tell them to do…which is why they are where they are.

If you would have given me 20 bucks, I would have told you the same result…and most everyone who posts here knew this “fact”.

Liberals have no problem with socialism, because capitalism is still somewhat functioning.

right2bright on May 11, 2015 at 7:26 PM

Duh.

What’s easier or more fun than spending someone else’s money?

WhirledPeas on May 11, 2015 at 7:28 PM

Glad I’m north of 50, won’t have that long to put up with this garbage.

rbj on May 11, 2015 at 7:31 PM

Breaking News:

…water is wet, fire is hot…Film at 11…

Pelosi Schmelosi on May 11, 2015 at 7:32 PM

The age gap suggests a heapin’ helpin’ of post-Soviet ignorance among younger adults as to what socialism in its purer forms is capable of.

That’s because our schools and universities indoctrinate students with all of the Utopian promises that socialism offers, but never utters a peep about the historical reality of socialism.

Star Bird on May 11, 2015 at 7:33 PM

my neighbor has a cow and i don’t
after the transformation everybody will be equal
my neighbor has a cow and i don’t
after the transformation we will get you a cow
i don’t want a cow, i want you to kill my neighbor’s cow

clandestine on May 11, 2015 at 7:36 PM

They always did….Obama just made them feel more comfortable.

CW on May 11, 2015 at 7:36 PM

This affirmative action turd needs to be flushed.

hardrock230 on May 11, 2015 at 7:36 PM

“Dog bites man on Main Street.”

Akzed on May 11, 2015 at 7:37 PM

Joseph McCarthy was so right.

Rix on May 11, 2015 at 7:39 PM

So they’re finally coming around to capitalism???

BigWyo on May 11, 2015 at 7:40 PM

but for Sanders, and many of America’s self-declared socialists, their aim isn’t to bring revolution to America but to make America more like Sweden and Norway.

…that’s some first-class BEE ESS right there…their aim is to eviscerate our Constitution period…

Pelosi Schmelosi on May 11, 2015 at 7:40 PM

The beauty of capitalism is that it works to get people what they need whether the sellers are motivated by service to mankind or just motivated by greed. Either way, to survive in the market, you have to provide something that somebody else wants or needs. It makes use of human nature.

Socialism on the other hand, defies human nature. That’s why force always comes into play. Since pure unselfishness is rare in humans, to get anything done brute force must be used. And the more force is used, the the more force that needs to be used.

RBMN on May 11, 2015 at 7:43 PM

The age gap suggests a heapin’ helpin’ of post-Soviet ignorance among younger adults as to what socialism in its purer forms is capable of.

They’ll get an education on socialism as they get older and earn more money……then wonder why they’re getting less.

GarandFan on May 11, 2015 at 7:44 PM

Democrats now…

I suppose if by “now” one means, “since Woodrow Wilson”, the statement would be accurate enough.

F X Muldoon on May 11, 2015 at 7:44 PM

When YouGov asked people how likely they think it is that they’ll become millionaires someday, the groups with the highest percentages saying “very likely or “somewhat likely” were blacks and Hispanics at 39 and 31 percent, respectively. Just 16 percent of whites said the same. That’s not a result you would expect given that minorities on average are poorer than whites and have a longer way to go to reach millionaire status. What explains it?

…being part of Left-Tard plantation explains a lot about this poll…Left-Tards have soooo over-promised (and under-delivered) for minorities they’ve become completely brainwashed…

Pelosi Schmelosi on May 11, 2015 at 7:44 PM

My, what “progress” the “progressives” have made.
There was a time not that long ago that being identified as a socialist brought shame and ridicule.

B4B on May 11, 2015 at 7:45 PM

Alternate headline- “Morons don’t know what two words actually mean.”

Komsomoletz on May 11, 2015 at 7:46 PM

then chances are you’re less a traditional Great Society leftist and more a committed far-left ideologue.

What is…a distinction without a difference?

What did I win?

yaedon on May 11, 2015 at 7:48 PM

Shocker, not. Judging their actions, Democrats tip their hand on this all the time.

ghostwalker1 on May 11, 2015 at 7:49 PM

“Democrats now view socialism as favorably as they view capitalism”

Or – Democrats increasingly look to theft to support their lifestyles.

LilyBart on May 11, 2015 at 7:49 PM

What’s the key factor here? Democrats drifting left over time as Clinton’s coalition was replaced by Obama’s? Or the word “socialism” being watered down since its Cold War heyday?

Door number one.

Steve Eggleston on May 11, 2015 at 7:50 PM

This has been an OnGoing PerCeption/DeCeption Campaign since
Hopey/Copey/Changey has been in office,

NeverEnding Polls to create an Illusion of ShapeShifting the
Politics to skew the American Perception!!!

Piff,….bottom line, is that the Liberal Democrat Party has
been hi-jacked by the Pinko Commys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on May 11, 2015 at 7:50 PM

Great! If the Democrats are ready to support me, I’m ready to quit my job!

LilyBart on May 11, 2015 at 7:50 PM

Twenty-five years after the Cold War ended, there may yet be an awareness out there that socialism is fine in theory but not something you want crawling the halls of power in the form of a true believer.

Too late. See: the current occupant of the WH.

yaedon on May 11, 2015 at 7:50 PM

Liberals have no problem with socialism, because capitalism is still somewhat functioning.

right2bright on May 11, 2015 at 7:26 PM

Great line.

davidk on May 11, 2015 at 7:51 PM

My oh my how we fail to learn from history. I think it is high time that we remind ignoramuses how foolish they are. I bet you could get a good number of them to say that the national socialist workers party sounds good to them. They would be the same dummies that would ban dihydrogen monoxide as it destroys lives due to floods.

National SOCIALIST

islandman78 on May 11, 2015 at 7:51 PM

Socialism is for the masses, never the Socialist.

The moronic Democrat rank and file fail to realize that as America becomes less and less prosperous because people DO NOT WORK HARD when they don’t get to reap the fruits of their own labors, things will only get WORSE for the masses, as has happened in every soclialist nation in history. But the Politburo will still have their limousines, private planes and $100 steaks…

ConstantineXI on May 11, 2015 at 7:51 PM

What explains it?

Failure to understand how to wealth is actually created.

They all think they’ll be famous for something, or win a lawsuit.

LilyBart on May 11, 2015 at 7:52 PM

With Warren getting B*stardized and BeSmirched by Hopey as of late,
the WAR of Progressives, against the TRUE-Believers Socialist Pro
gressives is shaping up to be a Sunni/Shia type stand off!!

The DNC Convention is gonna be interest’n!

canopfor on May 11, 2015 at 7:53 PM

Poll: Democrats now view socialism as favorably as they view capitalism

I call this poll bravo sierra. It has been decades since any dimocrat viewed capitalism even marginally favorably to socialism.

Thomas More on May 11, 2015 at 7:54 PM

Liberals have no problem with socialism, because capitalism is still somewhat functioning.

right2bright on May 11, 2015 at 7:26 PM

Ah, too true. They need to go down to Venezuela for a few months and check out how ‘socialism’ in this part of the world actually works. They all think we’ll be Denmark. Heh, not very likely.

LilyBart on May 11, 2015 at 7:54 PM

What explains it?

A. YouGov is a ridiculous, leftist “polling” outfit that should not be trusted in any way, shape, or fashion.

B. Adherents to non-minority culture(s) in the US are more likely to understand fiscal realities?

C. All of the above.

Yep.

yaedon on May 11, 2015 at 7:55 PM

Regarding the result showing blacks and Hispanics see their potential of achieving millions…I taught 25 years in a Queens NY JHS. We had 53 languages And Hispanics were a plurality while blacks were < 10%. Some black kids, especially the girls, spoke of becoming doctors and lawyers even though their academic achievements rarely pointed in those successful directions. It was as if they expected someone to come along and make it happen for them.

xkaydet65 on May 11, 2015 at 7:56 PM

What’s the key factor here? Democrats drifting left
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Le Ding ding!!

canopfor on May 11, 2015 at 7:57 PM

Glad I’m north of 50, won’t have that long to put up with this garbage.

rbj on May 11, 2015 at 7:31 PM

Some part of me is kinda jealous of that.

*sigh*

yaedon on May 11, 2015 at 7:58 PM

Glad I’m north of 50, won’t have that long to put up with this garbage.

rbj on May 11, 2015 at 7:31 PM

Do you have children and/or grandchildren?

Screw ’em, you’re outta here, is that it?

Bat Chain Puller on May 11, 2015 at 7:59 PM

Breaking News:

…water is wet, fire is hot…Film at 11…

Pelosi Schmelosi on May 11, 2015 at 7:32 PM

This is real news. Democrats, on average, consider capitalism as on par with socialism?!?!? Really? There may be hope, yet!*

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*Not really. Yougov is a sham of a polling outfit.

yaedon on May 11, 2015 at 8:00 PM

our schools and universities indoctrinate students with all of the Utopian promises that socialism offers, but never utters a peep about the historical reality of socialism.

Star Bird on May 11, 2015 at 7:33 PM

I hate that you’re right.

/sigh, again

yaedon on May 11, 2015 at 8:02 PM

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.

Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon.

Sir Winston Churchill

Pelosi Schmelosi on May 11, 2015 at 8:02 PM

…this is OLD news…

Socialism Viewed Positively by 36% of Americans

Democrats, Republicans Diverge on Capitalism, Federal Gov’t

Additionally, Democrats have roughly similar reactions to capitalism (55% positive) and socialism (53%), while Republicans are much more positive about the former than the latter, by 72% to 23%, respectively.

Pelosi Schmelosi on May 11, 2015 at 8:06 PM

…that’s some first-class BEE ESS right there…their aim is to eviscerate our Constitution period…

Pelosi Schmelosi on May 11, 2015 at 7:40 PM

Amen. Our Constitution cannot be reasonably interpreted to support federal socialism. To the contrary, it asserts private property rights.

yaedon on May 11, 2015 at 8:06 PM

Re: the final point. Maybe lottery and litigation TV commercials are aimed primarily at minorities? Or are blacks and Hispanics the recipients/victims of really bad micro-economic education in school? Or maybe they are just terrible at math.

Yes, many conspicuous consumers–ie, “rich people”–in the media and sports are black, but that doesn’t explain the Hispanic numbers.

segesta on May 11, 2015 at 8:12 PM

The beauty of capitalism is that it works to get people what they need whether the sellers are motivated by service to mankind or just motivated by greed.

RBMN on May 11, 2015 at 7:43 PM

I have long said that Capitalism is the only mechanism known to man that can harness man’s greed to power the greater good.

That doesn’t mean that Capitalism shouldn’t be regulated at all. It does, however, mean that Capitalism should only be regulated in ways that intentionally harness man’s greed in order to power the greater good.

Rather, what we’ve got right now and for decades back are excessive regulations that intentionally harness Capitalism in order to power man’s greed.

yaedon on May 11, 2015 at 8:13 PM

In less than a generation, thank the media, the school systems and the past 7 years with an administration and “our elected officials” on steroids against what made our country.

New Zealand is looking better for retirement every day.

celt on May 11, 2015 at 8:14 PM

When YouGov asked people how likely they think it is that they’ll become millionaires someday, the groups with the highest percentages saying “very likely or “somewhat likely” were blacks and Hispanics at 39 and 31 percent, respectively. Just 16 percent of whites said the same. That’s not a result you would expect given that minorities on average are poorer than whites and have a longer way to go to reach millionaire status. What explains it?

The same certainty that they’re going to win the lottery.

Lower socioeconomic status has been linked to pathological gambling among adults (Welte et al., 2001); and in the current analysis of a combined sample of youth and adults, the lowest socioeconomic group had the highest percent of gambling on the lottery in the past year and the highest mean level of days gambled on the lottery.

Some have speculated that the link between gambling pathology and lower socioeconomic status is due in part to lower income individuals viewing gambling as a type of investment providing a possible escape from poverty (Welte et al., 2004). In an experiment, Haisley et al. (2008) tested the hypothesis that people who feel poor in a relative sense due to implicit comparisons with others are more likely to purchase lottery tickets; i.e., low-income individuals are motivated to play the lottery to correct for low-income status. The authors found support for the hypothesis in that low-income participants were more likely to purchase lottery tickets when they were primed to perceive that their own income was low relative to a reference point. The authors concluded that for low-income participants, lotteries may be considered a “social equalizer” whereby everyone has an equal chance to win.

Losers who insist on socio-economic equalization (i.e., socialism) always think they’ll come out the winners.

de rigueur on May 11, 2015 at 8:17 PM

…from the “comments” of the YouGov poll…

Bernie Sanders does not describe himself as a “socialist,” rather as a
“democratic socialist.” There is a difference, and from your own
citation of the New York Times article: “Sanders calls himself as a ”democratic Socialist.'”

The sentence should read, “…the only member of Congress to describe himself as a democratic socialist.”

Thanks for addressing this correction.

…oxymoron…

Pelosi Schmelosi on May 11, 2015 at 8:24 PM

Sir Winston Churchill

Pelosi Schmelosi on May 11, 2015 at 8:02 PM

He and the Iron Lady are probably the two best public figures Britain has produced in the last 300 years. Churchill was probably more conservative than Thatcher.

The current rage in the UK is to absolutely abhor Margaret Thatcher. I wonder if they would do the same to Churchill?

If not, they are either sexist, ignorant of history and economics, or extremely preferential to a war-time politician who saved their bacon.

I wonder which…

yaedon on May 11, 2015 at 8:25 PM

They always want to point to countries like Norway, Finland, and Sweden. They say that those countries are socialist and look how well they are doing. Of course that’s like comparing apples to moon rocks. New York city has a larger population than any of the countries named. Of course a country that has a small population is going to rank better than a large country like the US. It’s not very hard to be ranked first when your entire country can be serviced by 20 hospitals and 10 large corporations. It’s just like they point out that according to the WHO America is ranked 31st in health care. They never add that also according to the WHO, America is number one when you take in to account the countries size and population.

bandutski on May 11, 2015 at 8:26 PM

Both coercive Socialism and coercive Communism need a host.

What system of free market non-coercive commerce would that be?
hmmmm oh yeah – Capitalism

AprilApple on May 11, 2015 at 8:36 PM

Of course they don’t teach the evils of Socialism, They’ll tell you that true Socialism has never been put into practice.

The reason is because the Marxist takes great pleasure in differentiating between the theories of Socialism, Fascism or Communism, but doesn’t care what form it takes in practice. You might be able to stop a Marxist at an Elizabeth Warren level…but every Marxist will turn into Pol Pot if he / she can find a way.

halfbaked on May 11, 2015 at 8:37 PM

It’s not just “ignorance” on the part of young people, it is mainly indoctrination by a hard-left academy, including those who write and select text books for high schools and below.

But it is not just the young. So many Democrats are parasites, they see socialism as their wonderful road to a life of leisure on everyone else’ dime.

Adjoran on May 11, 2015 at 8:43 PM

…dumb shits.

JugEarsButtHurt on May 11, 2015 at 9:43 PM

Most people, including many useful idiots in the Dem party, do not really understand what modern socialism is and how it operates. They do not realize we are already socialist nation, that our government is heavily socialist, and that almost every argument for bigger government and higher taxes is socialist at its core.

The very notion that we need to ‘pay’ for tax cuts is socialist at its core. The notion that the GDP is essentially collectively owned and it is the job of the government to assure it is ‘fairly’ distributed is socialist to its core. ‘Social justice’ is little more than a code phrase for socialism.

Being a little socialist is like being a little pregnant, with Frankenstein’s monster the father. We’re well into the second trimester.

The stupid frog doesn’t realize the water is already pretty hot and getting a lot hotter.

farsighted on May 11, 2015 at 9:48 PM

This Tweet gets at the essential difference between Free Market Capitalism vs. Socialism.

Grover Norquist @GroverNorquist · May 7

Suggestion: at 21 everyone chooses to, one: live free. Or, two: live as a child where the gov tells you what to do and spends your $ for you

https://twitter.com/grovernorquist

Choose carefully American voters!

wren on May 11, 2015 at 10:10 PM

This article brings to mind the question: How the HECK did the GOP end up as the Red Party?
The Dems are way more RED than the true blue GOP.

PonyBoy on May 11, 2015 at 10:17 PM

Poll: Democrats now view socialism as favorably as they view capitalism

I challenge anyone to point out any significant differences between the Democrat Party Platform and the Program of the Communist Party USA.

Why will no Democrat accept that challenge?

Because THERE ARE NO SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES between the Democrat Party and Communist Party Platforms!

ITguy on May 11, 2015 at 11:53 PM

Joseph McCarthy was so right.

Rix on May 11, 2015 at 7:39 PM

Exactly.

Drawing on primary sources—including never-before-published government records and FBI files, as well as recent research gleaned from Soviet archives and intercepted transmissions between Moscow spymasters and their agents in the United States—Evans presents irrefutable evidence of a relentless Communist drive to penetrate our government, influence its policies, and steal its secrets. Most shocking of all, he shows that U.S. officials supposedly guarding against this danger not only let it happen but actively covered up the penetration. All of this was precisely as Joe McCarthy contended.

ITguy on May 12, 2015 at 12:00 AM

That’s not a result you would expect given that minorities on average are poorer than whites and have a longer way to go to reach millionaire status. What explains it?

Belief in the Jackpot.

The right lawsuit.

The right scam.

The right lottery ticket.

The right government. (communist)

jaime on May 12, 2015 at 12:02 AM

The socialist looters love to keep the moochers in their modern day plantations, while they live like emperors.

Socialists are on both sides of the political ‘divide’.

Schadenfreude on May 12, 2015 at 12:27 AM

The same logic that says conservatives have to follow the moving numbers on homosexuality says that conservatives have to move to socialism.

Of course liberals will then be emboldened to move on to gulags. And the same logic will say it’s politically smart for conservatives to get ahead of the trend there too.

David Blue on May 12, 2015 at 2:33 AM

Nothing at all new. Dems have always leaned socialist, liberals certainly steeped in it, progressives are far beyond socialism and deep into communist fascism, totalitarianism, elitism, and authoritarianism.

They are scum. But so are progressive republicans, right jebbyclown?

Andy__B on May 12, 2015 at 3:28 AM

Considering that teacher in schools have no idea what the difference is, I am not surprised.

Education begins at home, and Republicans and conservatives believe in that, liberals believe it’s the governments job, and minorities do what the liberals tell them to do…which is why they are where they are.

If you would have given me 20 bucks, I would have told you the same result…and most everyone who posts here knew this “fact”.

Liberals have no problem with socialism, because capitalism is still somewhat functioning.

right2bright on May 11, 2015 at 7:26 PM

“Education begins at home.” Well, I’d say many of the kiddies are learning that the State will take care of them since their parents are un- or underemployed. I’d say that there’s more than a handful are being taught that all this economic stuff doesn’t matter because the Rapture will happen soon.

Face the facts, the major capitalist enterprises are robbing us with the help of their socialist friends. The only reason capitalism is surviving is because the PTB are printing more fiat, manipulating their stock values, engaging in a multitude of derivative schemes, Ponzi schemes, kicking cans down the road in the bond markets, and playing around with interest rates. Fraud of all kinds is (and probably has been for decades) rampant. They’re getting virtually free money from the FED, ECB, whatever to buy out out other companies, buy PMs, property, mineral rights, etc.

Many of these wealthy “Capitalists” have been screwing us for over a hundred years. But, we didn’t care, because we had shiny cars and transistor radios and color TeeVee and stuff.

Socialism just plain sucks. But, I bet that the average ‘merican will be fine with it because they’re too stupid to know what the hell is going on-and really don’t care. Give them enough time and the PTB will convince even most “Conservatives” that Socialism is in fact the American Way.

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 12, 2015 at 4:08 AM