Did Obama lie about the bin Laden raid?

posted at 8:41 am on May 11, 2015 by Ed Morrissey

The official story of the raid that killed Osama bin Laden reflects American derring-do. US forces snuck deep into Pakistan to conduct a commando raid on the world’s most-wanted terrorist less than two miles away from Pakistan’s premier military academy.  The Pakistani government vehemently protested the action afterward, but America finally got the top terrorist of the network that conducted the 9/11 attacks. Barack Obama took credit for making the call on the dangerous incursion, and reminded voters repeatedly during the 2012 election that he was the man who got bin Laden.

Four years after the raid, a new version of events has emerged — albeit from a source whose credibility isn’t exactly sterling. Seymour Hersh wrote that his single source says Obama lied about the raid, and that it was a joint US-Pakistani operation that was supposed to end in a drone strike:

The most blatant lie was that Pakistan’s two most senior military leaders – General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, chief of the army staff, and General Ahmed Shuja Pasha, director general of the ISI – were never informed of the US mission. This remains the White House position despite an array of reports that have raised questions, including one by Carlotta Gall in the New York Times Magazine of 19 March 2014. Gall, who spent 12 years as the Times correspondent in Afghanistan, wrote that she’d been told by a ‘Pakistani official’ that Pasha had known before the raid that bin Laden was in Abbottabad. The story was denied by US and Pakistani officials, and went no further. In his book Pakistan: Before and after Osama (2012), Imtiaz Gul, executive director of the Centre for Research and Security Studies, a think tank in Islamabad, wrote that he’d spoken to four undercover intelligence officers who – reflecting a widely held local view – asserted that the Pakistani military must have had knowledge of the operation. The issue was raised again in February, when a retired general, Asad Durrani, who was head of the ISI in the early 1990s, told an al-Jazeera interviewer that it was ‘quite possible’ that the senior officers of the ISI did not know where bin Laden had been hiding, ‘but it was more probable that they did [know]. And the idea was that, at the right time, his location would be revealed. And the right time would have been when you can get the necessary quid pro quo – if you have someone like Osama bin Laden, you are not going to simply hand him over to the United States.’

This spring I contacted Durrani and told him in detail what I had learned about the bin Laden assault from American sources: that bin Laden had been a prisoner of the ISI at the Abbottabad compound since 2006; that Kayani and Pasha knew of the raid in advance and had made sure that the two helicopters delivering the Seals to Abbottabad could cross Pakistani airspace without triggering any alarms; that the CIA did not learn of bin Laden’s whereabouts by tracking his couriers, as the White House has claimed since May 2011, but from a former senior Pakistani intelligence officer who betrayed the secret in return for much of the $25 million reward offered by the US, and that, while Obama did order the raid and the Seal team did carry it out, many other aspects of the administration’s account were false.

‘When your version comes out – if you do it – people in Pakistan will be tremendously grateful,’ Durrani told me. ‘For a long time people have stopped trusting what comes out about bin Laden from the official mouths. There will be some negative political comment and some anger, but people like to be told the truth, and what you’ve told me is essentially what I have heard from former colleagues who have been on a fact-finding mission since this episode.’ As a former ISI head, he said, he had been told shortly after the raid by ‘people in the “strategic community” who would know’ that there had been an informant who had alerted the US to bin Laden’s presence in Abbottabad, and that after his killing the US’s betrayed promises left Kayani and Pasha exposed.

The major US source for the account that follows is a retired senior intelligence official who was knowledgeable about the initial intelligence about bin Laden’s presence in Abbottabad. He also was privy to many aspects of the Seals’ training for the raid, and to the various after-action reports. Two other US sources, who had access to corroborating information, have been longtime consultants to the Special Operations Command. I also received information from inside Pakistan about widespread dismay among the senior ISI and military leadership – echoed later by Durrani – over Obama’s decision to go public immediately with news of bin Laden’s death. The White House did not respond to requests for comment.

The ISI, according to Hersh’s one source, had pulled bin Laden out of the Hindu Kush in 2006 to bring him to Abbottabad, in part by bribing locals to rat him out. The US got confirmation about bin Laden’s location by basically doing the same thing, this time with military aid that went directly to the officers involved in this transaction in the form of protective gear. The problem, according to Hersh, is that the Saudis were spending a lot of money to keep bin Laden hidden because bin Laden was also a Saudi.

This is where the narrative starts to slip off the rails, though, and it brings up an important point. The first issue in any story written by Seymour Hersh is … Seymour Hersh. He has a habit of running with single-source stories that don’t pan out in the long run, and this tale has a number of red flags. This would be a big one. It’s certainly possible that some Saudi group would have coughed up cash to keep bin Laden out of harms’ way, but it wouldn’t have been the royal government. They were one of bin Laden’s targets, in part because of their alliance with the US, and especially the American military bases in Saudi Arabia.

How much is true, and how much is sheer fantasy? Hersh describes a coordination in the Pakistani military that seems too large in scope to have been a secret for four years, and only uncovered by Hersh’s single source:

Pasha and Kayani were responsible for ensuring that Pakistan’s army and air defence command would not track or engage with the US helicopters used on the mission. The American cell at Tarbela Ghazi was charged with co-ordinating communications between the ISI, the senior US officers at their command post in Afghanistan, and the two Black Hawk helicopters; the goal was to ensure that no stray Pakistani fighter plane on border patrol spotted the intruders and took action to stop them. The initial plan said that news of the raid shouldn’t be announced straightaway. All units in the Joint Special Operations Command operate under stringent secrecy and the JSOC leadership believed, as did Kayani and Pasha, that the killing of bin Laden would not be made public for as long as seven days, maybe longer. Then a carefully constructed cover story would be issued: Obama would announce that DNA analysis confirmed that bin Laden had been killed in a drone raid in the Hindu Kush, on Afghanistan’s side of the border. The Americans who planned the mission assured Kayani and Pasha that their co-operation would never be made public. It was understood by all that if the Pakistani role became known, there would be violent protests – bin Laden was considered a hero by many Pakistanis – and Pasha and Kayani and their families would be in danger, and the Pakistani army publicly disgraced.

That would explain why the Pakistanis remained largely silent, and in part why they retaliated by withdrawing support for some drone missions for a while. But this kind of story would have almost certainly emerged in 2012 if the Pakistanis had gotten betrayed in this manner. That’s especially true for the next part of Hersh’s tale, in which he accuses Obama of explicitly ordering an assassination rather than a capture attempt:

It was clear to all by this point, the retired official said, that bin Laden would not survive: ‘Pasha told us at a meeting in April that he could not risk leaving bin Laden in the compound now that we know he’s there. Too many people in the Pakistani chain of command know about the mission. He and Kayani had to tell the whole story to the directors of the air defence command and to a few local commanders.

‘Of course the guys knew the target was bin Laden and he was there under Pakistani control,’ the retired official said. ‘Otherwise, they would not have done the mission without air cover. It was clearly and absolutely a premeditated murder.’ A former Seal commander, who has led and participated in dozens of similar missions over the past decade, assured me that ‘we were not going to keep bin Laden alive – to allow the terrorist to live. By law, we know what we’re doing inside Pakistan is a homicide. We’ve come to grips with that. Each one of us, when we do these missions, say to ourselves, “Let’s face it. We’re going to commit a murder.”’ The White House’s initial account claimed that bin Laden had been brandishing a weapon; the story was aimed at deflecting those who questioned the legality of the US administration’s targeted assassination programme. The US has consistently maintained, despite widely reported remarks by people involved with the mission, that bin Laden would have been taken alive if he had immediately surrendered.

Could all this be true? It’s possible, but why would it come out now? If those who felt betrayed by Obama had wanted to do real damage to him would have allowed all this to come out in 2012, not 2015, and to the New York Times (which was looking into the details of the raid in 2014, too) rather than Seymour Hersh. The Daily Beast’s nat-sec team checked into the story, and …

I’d say operate with skeptic shields set to max on this one.


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Does a one-legged duck swim in a circle?

pain train on May 11, 2015 at 8:46 AM

Does the Pope wear big hats?

kit dinker on May 11, 2015 at 8:47 AM

As long as Bin Laden is dead why does it matter?

weedisgood on May 11, 2015 at 8:53 AM

Who believes anything that administration says?

docflash on May 11, 2015 at 8:54 AM

I have serious doubts about Hersh’s ‘revelation’, but even if true to me this is a ‘meh’. So what if they did lie about exactly how the operation came about? This kind high level intelligence stuff is masked and papered over all the time by admins of both parties. It is, frankly, best that way and this not something that is at all on the level of a ‘regular’ Obama lie regarding domestic policy. I’d cut a Republican slack here and I cut Democrats slack here.

mdavt on May 11, 2015 at 8:56 AM

Damn, I find myself agreeing with the dope head.

The idiot commenter, not the writer of the story.

Too many people would have to know. It would have come out sooner.

cozmo on May 11, 2015 at 8:57 AM

Is Hersh still around?

vnvet on May 11, 2015 at 8:58 AM

There’s no way this admin goes with the courier story unless they had no other choice. Had it not been the truth, they would have made up some other story before allowing people to say that waterboarding worked.

lymond on May 11, 2015 at 9:02 AM

A Martian lands on Earth, is shown that picture used as a screen cap, and is asked who’s in charge?

Who does the Martian pick?

BuckeyeSam on May 11, 2015 at 9:04 AM

By law, we know what we’re doing inside Pakistan is a homicide.

Homicide is simply one person killing another person. It may be legal, such as in self-defense, or capital punishment, or in war. But homicide does not equal murder.

Bin Laden had gone to war with Western Civilization by unconventional means. The Law of War did not apply to him.

Part of what Seymour Hersh writes makes sense: the Pakistani military allowing the US to conduct a covert operation right in their West Point. On the other hand, why did the Pakistani government allow Bin Laden to live in their West Point.

Hersh does not get the benefit of the doubt.

rbj on May 11, 2015 at 9:04 AM

If Obama told me it was daytime I’d go to the window to verify it.

ConstantineXI on May 11, 2015 at 9:05 AM

Cant we avoid trivial stories that go nowhere and concentrate on the massive failures of the Democrats in the last 7 years. Its a huge gift basket for the Repubs. Let me guess..the Repub primary candidates will bash each other, bash Hillary, then Dems will use the bashings of each other to defend Hillary. Hillary wins..This country cannot survive this perpetual self destruction. Never again will the Repubs have a platter of Presidential failures to swoop on. With an ‘unlistening’ media, they all need to pound the messages out everywhere else.

malkinmania on May 11, 2015 at 9:05 AM

A Martian lands on Earth, is shown that picture used as a screen cap, and is asked who’s in charge?

Who does the Martian pick?

BuckeyeSam on May 11, 2015 at 9:04 AM

Anyone but the guy with the jacket thrown over a golf shirt.

ConstantineXI on May 11, 2015 at 9:06 AM

Hersh is so far left he thinks Obama is a tool of the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld evil neocons. He expect Obama to be even further to the left than Obama has been, and is angry he didn’t pull the U.S. out of Iraq and Afghanistan on 1/20/09 while ordering everyone involved with Gulf War II (and possibly Gulf War I) arrested and tried for international war crimes.

Taken from that angle, this is one of Obama’s smallest affronts, even if Mr. Nobel Peace Prize did spend the next two years spiking the football and doing touchdown dances over killing bin Laden, at least until he couldn’t ignore ISIS anymore.

jon1979 on May 11, 2015 at 9:06 AM

Did Obama lie about the bin Laden raid?

Of course, but then most every politician lies…

It’s just seems with this president, it’s consistently lying. It’s not this one time, it’s the series of lies. That is what is so telling.

Raid, who did it when, it really is irrelevant, what is relevant it the pattern.

right2bright on May 11, 2015 at 9:08 AM

I read a piece that asserted Hillary and Panetta went around Obama/Jarrett on the raid, that Zero learned about it while on the golf course and rushed back to look serious for the group photo.

Dunno why, but that version of events seems the most plausible.

dogsoldier on May 11, 2015 at 9:12 AM

Did Obama lie about the bin Laden raid?

Did he open his mouth?

Mark Boabaca on May 11, 2015 at 9:12 AM

Who does the Martian pick?

BuckeyeSam on May 11, 2015 at 9:04 AM

Anyone but the guy with the jacket thrown over a golf shirt.

ConstantineXI on May 11, 2015 at 9:06 AM

And the woman.

TimBuk3 on May 11, 2015 at 9:18 AM

Given the number of times Hersh has had sources predicting the imminent invasion of Iran, I would say no.

JamesB on May 11, 2015 at 9:22 AM

The official version is a lie.

Obama wants us to think that waterboarding worked.

And he achieved his primary objective of handing over skunk works stealth technology to the Jihadis.

This post will self-destruct in five seconds. . . .

Younggod on May 11, 2015 at 9:24 AM

Did Obama lie about the bin Laden raid?

Duh.

Could all this be true?

Uh, no.

GWB on May 11, 2015 at 9:27 AM

Did Obama lie about the bin Laden raid?

Did Ted Kennedy name his dog Splash?

itsspideyman on May 11, 2015 at 9:36 AM

Volvo chooses site in South Carolina for its 1st US plant – @Reuters

davidk on May 11, 2015 at 9:37 AM

It’s just seems with this president, it’s consistently lying. It’s not this one time, it’s the series of lies. That is what is so telling.

right2bright on May 11, 2015 at 9:08 AM

Like all the times when lying was actually a worse choice than telling the truth… but they/he lied anyway. It’s congenital.

GWB on May 11, 2015 at 9:39 AM

“Øbama bin Biden”, the lying fool….

DimsdalePiranha on May 11, 2015 at 9:39 AM

Damn, I find myself agreeing with the dope head.

The idiot commenter, not the writer of the story.

Too many people would have to know. It would have come out sooner.

cozmo on May 11, 2015 at 8:57 AM

Likewise. I have my doubts that the other dopehead gave the order. He looks like he was sulking over being pulled off the golf course for the picture.

wifarmboy on May 11, 2015 at 9:42 AM

This would be a big one. It’s certainly possible that some Saudi group would have coughed up cash to keep bin Laden out of harms’ way, but it wouldn’t have been the royal government. They were one of bin Laden’s targets, in part because of their alliance with the US, and especially the American military bases in Saudi Arabia.

Well, if you were wearing your conspiracy hat correctly.

You would know that the royal government only put bin Laden out there in order to create the belief that they are our allies. And what better way to disrupt oil supply outside your country than have a huge military force wipe out oil supply in two other countries? And what better way to increase oil demand than to have a huge oil sucking military force rev up their engines and go to war? A win, win, if it wasn’t for that frackin’ stuff, but the President Puppet is working hard on that.

The question is, why do you shoot a guy who wasn’t able to move around much on his own, fly his body over the ocean and then dump it? Wouldn’t it be better to show off an alive, but extremely worn down and crippled former leader, than to have rumors surrounding his death?

You kill him later at the end of the rope, covered in pig’s blood.

…unless you didn’t want him talking.

LoganSix on May 11, 2015 at 9:44 AM

Is Hersh still around?

vnvet on May 11, 2015 at 8:58 AM

..didn’t he work as the butler for Mrs Carlson, the owner of WKRP in Cinicinnati?

The War Planner on May 11, 2015 at 9:45 AM

Riots at Starbucks and Panera?:

Tacoma police say officers responding to a loud music complaint shot and killed an armed man on Sunday night in Tacoma.

Officers saw the man grab a gun before coming to the door when officers arrived. He was shot outside the home.

Police say a SWAT team then surrounded the home and cleared everyone out of the residence.

The officer involved in the shooting has been placed on paid administrative leave, which the shooting is investigated. He is 34 years old and has been with the Tacoma police department for six years.

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/crime/article/Tacoma-Police-shoot-armed-man-after-loud-music-6255376.php

davidk on May 11, 2015 at 9:47 AM

Who knows, but given Hersh’s reputation as a proven liar who writes stories based on alleged anonymous sources I really wouldn’t give this story any thought.

Ellis on May 11, 2015 at 9:52 AM

Y2KPM:

A group of hackers affiliated with ISIS are threatening to carry out a cyber attack—dubbed “Message to America”—against a number of targets 2 p.m. EST today. The targets were not identified on ISIS forums and social channels but the hackers are promising something “surprising” that “will frighten America”.

ISIS supporters calling themselves the Cyber Caliphate hacked into the Twitter account of the United States Central Command in January.

http://www.vocativ.com/news/191640/isis-hackers-plan-message-to-america-attack-today/

davidk on May 11, 2015 at 9:53 AM

“At this point what difference does it make?”

Cindy Munford on May 11, 2015 at 9:56 AM

As long as Bin Laden is dead Obama won his re-election campaign why does it matter?

weedisgood on May 11, 2015 at 8:53 AM

Fixed it for you.

The Schaef on May 11, 2015 at 9:56 AM

Did Obama lie about the ______(fill in the blank) ? ……does a bear ______(fill in the blank) in the woods?

clandestine on May 11, 2015 at 10:02 AM

Who’s a bigger liar? Obama or Hersh?

That’s not as close as you might think: Hersh hands down.

I find it interesting that Remnick/the New Yorker didn’t run this. Hersh obviously had to shop it around.

If you read Hersh’s stuff closely, he always uses unnamed sources and the identity of these sources is often ex-this or ex-that. With no direct connection to what they are claiming.

Shorter: Hersh starts with a thesis then goes and finds someone who will endorse it. Sabrina Erdely anyone?

SteveMG on May 11, 2015 at 10:03 AM

I read a piece that asserted Hillary and Panetta went around Obama/Jarrett on the raid, that Zero learned about it while on the golf course and rushed back to look serious for the group photo.

Dunno why, but that version of events seems the most plausible.

dogsoldier on May 11, 2015 at 9:12 AM

This has been my assumption all along. It’s obvious the dog-eater was a late arrival in that photo.

SouthernGent on May 11, 2015 at 10:07 AM

While most of the world celebrates the death of Al Qaeda chief Osama Bin Laden by U.S. special forces, in an October 2007 interview that Pakistan’s former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto gave British media figure David Frost she claimed that Osama was “murdered years ago.”

In the interview, Bhutto identified Omar Sheikh as the man who allegedly killed Osama.

Akzed on May 11, 2015 at 10:07 AM

does a bear chase the tourons in the woods?

clandestine on May 11, 2015 at 10:02 AM

Mother Black Bear Chases Yellowstone Tourists Who Get Too Close To Her Cubs

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/10/yellowstone-bear-chase_n_7253568.html

davidk on May 11, 2015 at 10:08 AM

After being locked in a compound with three wives for five years, he probably called the Seals himself.

NoPain on May 11, 2015 at 10:08 AM

And now you know why Snowden had to break the law and physically get the evidence or no one would have believed him.

HopeHeFails on May 11, 2015 at 10:17 AM

Three wife’s and 10 or 12 kids.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 11, 2015 at 10:26 AM

It would be easier to believe the Obama account if the evidence had not been buried at sea.

virgo on May 11, 2015 at 10:28 AM

The alleged duplicity of the Saudi Royals is quite credible. Even if the King was supporting US efforts, there are some pretty powerful and wealthy Saudi princes, who did bankroll Bin-Laden and quite likely supported (financially) those who conducted the 9/11 operation.

The Saudis would be happy to keep Osama under wraps, if that would maintain the secret of wealthy (and royal) Saudis supporting terrorist operations.

As to Hersch’s overall credibility, I think it’s probably a coin-flip. He’s been rolled a few times by individual sources, but he’s also nailed a few big stories that way as well. We’ll see how this plays out.

No matter the truth of the story, I love the sweet irony of a stalwart leftist attack-dog suddenly going after the Obama Administration.

DaveK on May 11, 2015 at 10:41 AM

Did Obama lie about the bin Laden raid?

Yes but only out of modesty and to save face for the cowardly Seals who would have chickened out without BHO’s bravery and military skills. You see, the truth is OBAMA PERSONALLY LED THE RAID and individually killed Bin Laden.

Seal leader: “We’ve never seen blood spilled before, sir.BHO “Relax, son. When you’ve had as much military experience as I, you think of blood as ketchup on a juicy hamburger and Bin Laden is the hamburger.”

MaiDee on May 11, 2015 at 10:42 AM

Stopped reading as soon as I saw it was Seymour Hersh. Dude has zero credibility.

flipflop on May 11, 2015 at 11:00 AM

The trouble is most Americans don’t mind having a liar for president. This liar was elected and reelected. They also seem to favor another crook and liar which is named Hillar. Ethics morality doesn’t seem to matter. When the demos favor putting wieners in asses and supporting late term abortion all orality goes out the window. Those who favor morals now are considered zealots and extremists. Yes we were lied to and Americans don’t mind.

garydt on May 11, 2015 at 11:00 AM

Did Obama lie about the bin Laden raid?

PS Obama not only led the raid but another skilled military veteran, with combat experience in Kosovo, Hillary Clinton, was second in second.

When asked to corroborate that BHO actually led the raid and personally killed Bin Laden, Hillary truthfully states:

“At this point, who care? I can’t remember small, unimportant details like this. Why bring up this up anyway? It’s old news.”

MaiDee on May 11, 2015 at 11:01 AM

Seymour Hersh needs to retire. That Obama said what he did was irritating because the killing of bin Laden was achieved because of our terrific Special Ops guys. We just needed intelligence as to where bin Laden was located. The more interesting question is whether we got that intelligence because of the enhanced interrogations.

Phil Byler on May 11, 2015 at 11:03 AM

…albeit from a source whose credibility isn’t exactly sterling.

Yeah, but neither is Barack Obama’s.

You see, the truth is OBAMA PERSONALLY LED THE RAID and individually killed Bin Laden.

MaiDee on May 11, 2015 at 10:42 AM

Wait, what? I thought it was Brian Williams!

GrumpyOldFart on May 11, 2015 at 11:08 AM

Doesn’t matter i Semour Hersch lied ,,,,, Americans will continue to elect liars like obama and Hillary because of the free stuff and their ignorance.

garydt on May 11, 2015 at 11:09 AM

HopeHeFails on May 11, 2015 at 10:17 AM

Either way, no one in this admin is going to the prison cell they richly deserve.

dogsoldier on May 11, 2015 at 11:24 AM

SouthernGent on May 11, 2015 at 10:07 AM

They had to drag his sorry ass off the golf course….

dogsoldier on May 11, 2015 at 11:25 AM

“At this point what difference does it make?”

Cindy Munford on May 11, 2015 at 9:56 AM

+1 (on so many levels)

Khun Joe on May 11, 2015 at 11:34 AM

The biggest lie was that Obama approved the raid.
In one early interview Panetta said that he did it, later on Obama took the credit

halfbaked on May 11, 2015 at 11:46 AM

I pretty much assume that Obama will lie at every available opportunity, both to claim undeserved credit and to avoid deserved criticism and blame. My expectations of other politicians are similarly low.

myiq2xu on May 11, 2015 at 11:52 AM

I find it interesting that Remnick/the New Yorker didn’t run this. Hersh obviously had to shop it around.

Thank you, Steve MG.

cbenoistd on May 11, 2015 at 11:52 AM

Obama today is not facing re-election as he was in the spring of 2011. His principled stand on behalf of the proposed nuclear agreement with Iran says much, as does his decision to operate without the support of the conservative Republicans in Congress.

“Says much.” What a mealy mouth Seymour Hersh is.

cbenoistd on May 11, 2015 at 11:54 AM

Does anyone else find that now-famous photo of the “group” in the situation room as odd as I do? It’s very apparent to me that Obama looks like a kid who was let into his parents’ cocktail party… off to the side; hardly striking any leadership posture. It’s like someone thought to grab him from his card game with his boyfriend and sit him in a chair so there could be a photo of him onsite for the record.

dpduq on May 11, 2015 at 12:10 PM

As long as Bin Laden is dead why does it matter?

weedisgood on May 11, 2015 at 8:53 AM

Pics or it didn’t happen.

John Deaux on May 11, 2015 at 12:23 PM

I’d buy that Obama has lied a number of times about the raid. I’m not really buying this particular narrative, though, and, even if I did, I don’t really see much relevance to it.

Count to 10 on May 11, 2015 at 12:24 PM

Riots at Starbucks and Panera?:

Tacoma police say officers responding to a loud music complaint shot and killed an armed man on Sunday night in Tacoma.

Officers saw the man grab a gun before coming to the door when officers arrived. He was shot outside the home.

Police say a SWAT team then surrounded the home and cleared everyone out of the residence.

The officer involved in the shooting has been placed on paid administrative leave, which the shooting is investigated. He is 34 years old and has been with the Tacoma police department for six years.

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/crime/article/Tacoma-Police-shoot-armed-man-after-loud-music-6255376.php

davidk on May 11, 2015 at 9:47 AM

It’s Tacoma. Seattle’s version of inner city Baltimore.
Folk’s there will be buying the cops lattes after this.

Bubba Redneck on May 11, 2015 at 12:36 PM

Hersh is on the hashish again.
Paks knew nothing about the raid.
They did know where Bin Laden was.
For that reason alone Pakistan needs nuking.
Heck, every muzzie country needs nuking and China too.

Slow news day Hot Gas?

Bubba Redneck on May 11, 2015 at 12:40 PM

The timing of the birth certificate release is fishy also.

newportmike on May 11, 2015 at 12:52 PM

Sorry, I just don’t believe anything Seymour Hersch says, and I’ve read a few of his books.

Captain Kirock on May 11, 2015 at 1:17 PM

This is more plausible than the Hersh story.

Schadenfreude on May 11, 2015 at 1:24 PM

dpduq on May 11, 2015 at 12:10 PM

He looks too small. Plus, he’d be at the head of the table, not some nobody general.

Akzed on May 11, 2015 at 2:04 PM

Pakistan had no idea our special forces were coming “OK”
Not showing us the body of the man who murdered over 3,000 American’s because it would upset Muslims put them before us
That is how much of a Coward Obama is.

IXXINY on May 11, 2015 at 2:37 PM

The first thing I consider when reading a Sy Hersh story is: How does the CIA benefit, or how are they made to look good (or get off the hook) as a byproduct of the story. He has been a reliable water-carrier for the CIA for decades….no reason to think that has changed.

wiz1001 on May 11, 2015 at 2:59 PM

“I did NOT have Pakistani relations with that action”

President Obama

Neitherleftorright on May 11, 2015 at 3:01 PM

If Obama ever told the truth every lie detector on earth would short-circuit.

profitsbeard on May 11, 2015 at 3:13 PM

Seymour Hersh isn’t credible. He’s not only an admitted liar, he’s proud of it.

cheeflo on May 11, 2015 at 3:15 PM

Why would that statement be different than all the others.
Liars do what they do. And o does. LIE

Lee Jan on May 11, 2015 at 4:40 PM

Did Obama lie about the bin Laden raid?

Well, yes. That’s a given.

Do I trust a single word of what Hersch says? No. But it’s a given that we civilians don’t get all the factual details of a top secret op, even after it’s over. Fifty years from now, maybe.

Did Obama throw in extra BS for political advantage? That’s extremely likely, but that’s a different question than whether or not he was 100% truthful and forthcoming about a top secret op. No, he wasn’t, and we’d all be highly unhappy with him if he was.

GrumpyOldFart on May 11, 2015 at 4:46 PM

On January 28, 2002 CBS reported that Osama bin Laden was likely on dialysis for failing kidneys. If that story was correct, it is highly unlikely that he would have lived another 9 years. On November 2, 2007 former Prime Minister of Pakistan Benazir Bhutto told journalist David Frost that bin Laden was already dead; she was assassinated a short time later. Hersh’s report notwithstanding, the true story of Osama bin Laden’s demise may never be known.

I don’t know if Obama is lying the way Hersh says he is lying, but I know Obama is lying.

Colony14 on May 11, 2015 at 5:52 PM

Sorry – story is 100% bogus. I worked on the raid. Why do you think they used stealth helicopters? The 90 minute flight between Jalalabad and Abbatobad where the longest of my lie here in DC that Sunday afternoon. After the Helo crashed on site, and UBL killed it was get the hell out of Dodge ASAP. The Pakis had no clue until then went to the compound and found a bunch of family members tied up. Seymour Hersh is full of crap.

mouell on May 11, 2015 at 7:21 PM

Of course.

tenore on May 11, 2015 at 7:48 PM

mouell on May 11, 2015 at 7:21 PM

So, you believe he was killed in that raid? What really happened to the body? Wasn’t it clear that dumping the evidence would trash the story itself?

virgo on May 11, 2015 at 9:39 PM

I’ve believed from day one that he wasn’t killed. I believe that he was captured and held for information while the world was told that he died. You don’t kill enemies that are potentially a source of classified information. You capture and interrogate them.

bandutski on May 11, 2015 at 9:50 PM

DOESN’T THAT IMAGE LOOK STAGED?

AprilApple on May 11, 2015 at 9:55 PM

The Daily Beast has US Special OPS sources? Bull. That’s the biggest lie in that whole article.

fitzsweetpea on May 11, 2015 at 11:03 PM

The Daily Beast has US Special OPS sources? Bull. That’s the biggest lie in that whole article.

fitzsweetpea on May 11, 2015 at 11:03 PM

Next they’ll be telling us about the Green Berets who contribute to The Daily Kos…

fitzsweetpea on May 11, 2015 at 11:04 PM

What’s next? Questioning the validity of the stories about Paul Bunyan and Pecos Bill? Sheesh. What happened to my country!?

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 12, 2015 at 3:35 AM

I worked on the raid. Why do you think they used stealth helicopters? The 90 minute flight between Jalalabad and Abbatobad where the longest of my lie. . . .

mouell on May 11, 2015 at 7:21 PM

I stream ord my found fullashit.

Younggod on May 12, 2015 at 8:25 AM

This blame-shifting cover story serves the same purpose as the alleged blame-shifting cover story the US allegedly reneged on.

Knott Buyinit on May 12, 2015 at 11:11 AM

Did Obama lie about the bin Laden raid?

no.

everdiso on May 12, 2015 at 12:05 PM

no.

everdiso on May 12, 2015 at 12:05 PM

And your reasoning behind this opinion is… ?

And just to establish a baseline for comparison, did Obama lie about ObamaCare?

GrumpyOldFart on May 12, 2015 at 12:35 PM

I contend the public knew the truth, however, as always the media & WH covered for POTUS. Nothing new here.

mixplix on May 12, 2015 at 2:09 PM

As long as Bin Laden is dead why does it matter?

weedisgood on May 11, 2015 at 8:53 AM

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Translation:

The end result makes the lie(s) irrelevant … what difference at this point, does it make?

listens2glenn on May 12, 2015 at 3:37 PM

Did his lips move?

Then I’d say it’s more likely than not that he did.

Archangel Nation on May 13, 2015 at 6:34 AM