Ted Cruz: “There is no stronger advocate for legal immigration in the U.S. Senate than I am”

posted at 11:21 am on April 30, 2015 by Allahpundit

Via the Weekly Standard, he’s not saying anything here that he hasn’t said before. He supports immigration reform, but not comprehensive immigration reform — only a piecemeal security-first approach will work, the same view now taken by Marco Rubio. But Cruz fans who haven’t paid attention to him on this issue may assume, incorrectly but understandably, that he naturally takes the most conservative position that an electable Republican presidential candidate can take. Not so: It’s Scott Walker(!) who’s staked out the right side of the field by demanding that American wages be a variable when considering target numbers for legal immigrants, hinting that maybe legal immigration levels need to drop rather than rise. Walker’s defenders argue that he’s not saying anything controversial there; of course you’d want to know how a certain level of immigration will affect what American workers are paid. His break from the rest of the field is a matter of emphasis, not a matter of introducing something new into the debate.

Fair enough, but it’s interesting to watch Ted Cruz, Mr. True Conservative, talk about this subject at length and not provide the same emphasis. Watch below from around 44:00 to 50:00 and then again at 1:29:00 to 1:36:00. In 13 or so minutes, wages don’t come up. On the contrary, Cruz’s emphasis is on the fact that he wants more legal immigration, at least among better educated immigrants who might qualify for an H-1B visa. It’s interesting that a guy known for having his finger on the pulse of grassroots conservative/tea party sentiment isn’t following Walker’s lead but rather stressing his own relative moderation on the issue. There are obvious political reasons for that — he’s addressing the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce here, and as one of the few GOP candidates who opposes a path to citizenship, he needs a way to show general-election voters that he’s no Tancredo when it comes to immigration. But it’s telling that he’s not worried about Walker getting to his right on the hottest hot-button of the GOP primaries. Maybe he figures that, between his stellar tea-party track record on all manner of policy plus Walker’s conspicuous flip-flopping on immigration (which still includes support for a path to citizenship), he can afford to place his emphasis on being pro-immigration — so long as it’s legal. Or maybe Cruz suspects that Walker’s wink-wink at reducing legal immigration levels actually isn’t a position that an “electable” Republican can take. He wouldn’t be alone in that belief, if so.

Try to watch both immigration Q&As below as they’re both worth your time. Cruz spends most of his answers accusing Democrats of being the main obstacle to reform because of their fanatic, self-interested insistence on citizenship for illegals, a criticism that’s valid but also ironic given that Cruz himself continues to support some kind of legal status for illegals and surely knows that that will lead to demands for citizenship eventually. (He notes in passing at around 1:31:00 that his amendment to the Gang of Eight bill didn’t attempt to eliminate work permits for illegals, just citizenship.) Anyway, your exit question: Is this comment, from elsewhere in yesterday’s Q&A, really the best way to pander to a racial group?

“I don’t think I’ve ever seen an Hispanic panhandler. And the reason is: In our community it would be shameful to be begging on the street,” Cruz said, recalling a conversation he once had with a Latino businessman on the topic.

You get his point — Latinos are hard workers, they should prefer a political party that looks dimly on welfare — but the inevitable follow-up question will be “Which communities don’t regard it as shameful to be begging on the street?” Good luck with that one.


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What are “skills”, anyway?

Redstone on April 30, 2015 at 3:17 PM

How would I know? Or you?

It’s exactly in answering to questions as yours that the market is vastly superior to any alternative.

You decide what are skills to you and do whatever you want with your own money and property. This isn’t hard to understand.

joana on April 30, 2015 at 5:03 PM

The blacks, if they had functional brains
Schadenfreude on April 30, 2015 at 11:31 AM

This individual, not only has a habit of calling female users the W-word (& using other languages) and casually mentioning rape, often produces blatantly racist quotes.

And he’s getting worse by the day.

joana on April 30, 2015 at 5:06 PM

Bob Davis on April 30, 2015 at 4:40 PM

In my opinion immigration (legal, illegal and H-1B visas) is the most important issue we face. I am not sure if Scott Walker is sincere or not, but I applaud him for opening up discussion on this issue, which pro-immigration forces don’t want discussed.

bw222 on April 30, 2015 at 5:11 PM

And yet Ted Cruz is now villified? Give me a break….

Bob Davis on April 30, 2015 at 4:40 PM

Exactly…I have stated for months, no one will be elected that wants or runs on a campaign “ship them back”…

The best that can happen, and the wisest, is for the candidates to say little except, we have to secure the border, than work out the problems.

And that is what Cruz is saying…

right2bright on April 30, 2015 at 4:57 PM

That’s exactly what he’s saying! You’re very astute!

Bob Davis on April 30, 2015 at 5:12 PM

just rename the USA what it has become…

the Third World Flophouse …

run by quisling sellouts

Senator Philip Bluster on April 30, 2015 at 1:03 PM

Alas, Senator Philip Bluster is right.

New Headline to describe current situation:

USA Gives Up Super Power Status to Become 3rd World Refugee Camp.
Sub Head: Russia and China Laugh

For those who are not aware of the huge problems for U.S. cities and towns created by the United Nations Refugee Resettlement Programs (where the United Nations selects which refugees are sent to the USA) spend 10 minutes scrolling through Ann Corcoran’s excellent blog on Refugee Resettlement:

https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/

Wake up America!

wren on April 30, 2015 at 5:13 PM

My problem is with the number of green cards and visas issued and the simple fact that they are not going to the most qualified applicants. They are, instead, going to those who businesses find cheaper to employ.

Businesses don’t pick employers, foreign or national, because they’re cheaper. That’s socialist mumbo-jumbo. Believe me, the composition of the workforce would be vastly different.

I wonder how many of these people have run a business or actually hold a job with any degree of responsibility and accountability.

It isn’t just the wages that are at issue. It’s the fact that each employer saves about $3,000 per employee just in taxes right up front. Add lower wages and fewer benefits into the mix and foreign labor becomes much more attractive to an employer whose only loyalty is the profit margin.

An American worker doesn’t even get the opportunity to be competitive. We are obliged to pay taxes and our employers are obliged to pay certain taxes if they employ us.

thatsafactjack on April 30, 2015 at 1:00 PM

Who taught you that, cutie? Those fine gentlemen at Numbers USA?

As anyone who actually lives in the real world knows, that’s pure fiction.

joana on April 30, 2015 at 5:13 PM

Ted Cruz stopped the Gang of Eight Bill that would have automatically granted legal status to between 12 and 20 million illegals. Ted Cruz has led the fight against Obama’s illegal executive amnesty and is leading the fight to make Obama follow existing immigration law. NO ONE has done more than Cruz to stop illegals from getting amnesty or to hold Obama accountable to the law. These are the facts. If you really care about illegals invading our country, then your only choice is Cruz. I am done arguing with idiots and RINO trolls.

fight like a girl on April 30, 2015 at 5:17 PM

This. I work as a computer programmer and have lost two jobs and have many coworkers who also lost their jobs due to Indian H-1B’s and offshore Indian companies being hired on the cheap.

rjl1999 on April 30, 2015 at 1:26 PM

Weird.

In the past when I was involved in H-1B visa applications for people I wanted to hire onto my software development team I had to submit a lot of paperwork certifying that the candidate was to be compensated at or above the level of similarly educated and experienced people in the organization and detailing why people with similar skill sets were difficult to source domestically.

It got to be a headache so now I mostly just hire them abroad for positions abroad, though sometimes they do get relocated to the US after demonstrating superior performance.

DarkCurrent on April 30, 2015 at 5:19 PM

Businesses don’t pick employers, foreign or national, because they’re cheaper. That’s socialist mumbo-jumbo. Believe me, the composition of the workforce would be vastly different.

joana on April 30, 2015 at 5:13 PM

This

DarkCurrent on April 30, 2015 at 5:22 PM

So no copy/paste posts from bluegill today, blasting Walker and telling us how Ted Cruz is the only “anti-amnesty” candidate? LMAO.

cdog0613 on April 30, 2015 at 5:30 PM

I want one of you no immigration purists to tell me who you support. Waiting…

fight like a girl on April 30, 2015 at 12:33 PM

I believe you asked this question on anther thread, and that many of us answered. Perhaps you should try reading instead of waiting.

I’ll answer again: no one.

Certainly not Cruz, who I’ve been calling The Manchurian Conservative precisely over this issue, before even writers at Numbers USA and Vdare figured out he was a fraud. A year ago I predicted that, if elected, Cruz, not Rubio, would be the guy who sold out the base on immigration.
I had given up on Walker, because he choked on ethanol, and because of his immigration stance. He now has my attention, but I am not committed. I am willing to see where he goes with this. At the very least, as I and others have pointed out, Walker’s apostasy on GOP Inc.’s preferred immigration narrative has now shifted the debate. Cruz has been forced to detail his position beyond the fake “border control now, rest of the discussion later” boilerplate he’s been peddling.

Cruz actively opposed an amendment by Jeff Sessions to limit legal immigration to 3 million a year over 10 years. So Cruz wants at least three times current levels of legal immigration in a soft economy. He wants to double the current immigration population in roughly 10 years. He is going to have to explain how this is good for the American working/middle classes.

If Cruz is the nominee he might win Florida, but he will lose the Midwest/Rust belt and likely Virginia. If Walker keeps going with his strategy, he might lose Florida, but gain the others. That will put him in the White House. Cruz is finished before he’s even begun. He’s Jeb Bush without the “acts of love”.

Joseph K on April 30, 2015 at 5:37 PM

Joseph K on April 30, 2015 at 5:37 PM

So staying home, bro?

cdog0613 on April 30, 2015 at 5:42 PM

joana on April 30, 2015 at 5:06 PM

Delta, you liar, who has no self-control, you are a scumhag of the first rate.

I can say puta in any language I want. The USA is still a free country, and you are a dummy, pretending to know math, which you don’t.

Schadenfreude on April 30, 2015 at 5:43 PM

Puta, provide a link where I promoted “rape”, you scumhag of the first rate.

You, who keep the blacks in check, are the racists. I have helped more of them than did obama. I don’t care what the color of anyone is.

Character, look it up, you hussie, sans honor. You lost your math bet and you’re still here, you weakling.

Schadenfreude on April 30, 2015 at 5:45 PM

cdog0613 on April 30, 2015 at 5:42 PM

As of now, yeah.

Joseph K on April 30, 2015 at 5:48 PM

joana on April 30, 2015 at 5:13 PM

You should really wait a little longer to be certain a commenter isn’t going to return to return to the thread, Joana.

ObamaCare Offers Firms $3,000 Incentive to Hire Illegals Over Native-Born Workers

Obamacare is a tax, as decided by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Further, H1B visa employees, and a number of other ‘nonresident alein’ visa holders, are not taxed similarly to American citizens and employers are not obliged to pay the same taxes to employ them.

Alien Liability for Social Security and Medicare Taxes of Foreign Teachers, Foreign Researchers, and Other Foreign Professionals

Totalization Agreements

The United States has entered into agreements with several nations called Totalization Agreements for the purpose of avoiding double taxation of income with respect to social security taxes. These agreements must be taken into account when determining whether any alien is subject to the United States Social Security/Medicare tax.

Let me spell that out for you: If the nonresident alien visa holder employed in the United States claims to pay the taxes in their own nation… they are exempt from Social Security and Medicare taxes in the United States… and the employer doesn’t have to make the standard contributions for that employee.

These are a portion of the exceptions and exemptions made for visa holders and illegal aliens, and their employers, in the United States.

thatsafactjack on April 30, 2015 at 5:49 PM

We all heard the rants of the politicians last election and put a new batch of meat in the House last election and waited for the cascade of changes that were promised in blood?????????? Guess what? Same old BS that got people elected in the past, NOTTA!!!!!!!

mixplix on April 30, 2015 at 5:51 PM

As of now, yeah.

Joseph K on April 30, 2015 at 5:48 PM

Got ya. I plan on monitoring how many immigration litmus test voters stay home or vote “3rd party” or something. I’m intrigued by this. The reality that every single possible GOP candidate supports some form of “amnesty” is slowly starting to settle in.

cdog0613 on April 30, 2015 at 5:52 PM

Jeff Sessions ain’t walking through that door! (As Rick Pitino would say)

cdog0613 on April 30, 2015 at 5:54 PM

Fury rises at Disney over use of foreign workers

A restructuring and H-1B use affect the Magic Kingdom’s IT operations

Disney CEO Bob Iger is one of eight co-chairs of the Partnership for a New American Economy, a leading group advocating for an increase in the H-1B visa cap. Last Friday, this partnership was a sponsor of an H-1B briefing at the U.S. Capitol for congressional staffers. The briefing was closed to the press

The use of H-1B workers to displace U.S. workers is getting more attention in Congress. In response to Southern California Edison’s use of foreign labor, 10 U.S. senators recently asked three federal agencies to investigate H-1B use. But one agency, the U.S. Department of Labor, wrote back last week and told the lawmakers that large H-1B using firms “are not prohibited from displacing U.S. workers” as long as they meet certain conditions, such as paying each H-1B worker at least $60,000 a year.

thatsafactjack on April 30, 2015 at 6:02 PM

Still, Ajoran, for the win. He is right when he says (paraphrased)

“Is it good for America and Americans?”

All other is R/D bullchit, for stuffed pockets in business and DC, at the cost of America and Americans.

Schadenfreude on April 30, 2015 at 6:03 PM

Indeed, J…Disney flies the white slave labor into the US.

They s/b boycotted.

Schadenfreude on April 30, 2015 at 6:04 PM

Sen. Jeff Sessions: Visa Programs Harm US Workers

Sen. Jeff Sessions said Tuesday that “large corporations are using foreign-worker programs explicitly for the purpose of replacing American workers at lower wages.

Sessions and Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley, the panel’s GOP chairman, said that the plan to expand the H1-B1 visas for foreign workers, from 65,000 to 115,000, would jeopardize Americans. Many of the visas are given to technology companies.

Two professors, Ronil Hira of Howard University and Hal Salzman of Rutgers University, argued that the large number of foreign workers in the STEM professions displaces American workers and depresses wages. Those jobs cover science, technology, engineering, and mathematics.

thatsafactjack on April 30, 2015 at 6:10 PM

Adjoran, not Ajoran

Schadenfreude on April 30, 2015 at 6:12 PM

Schadenfreude on April 30, 2015 at 6:04 PM

I’m hopeful that those ten senators who are applying pressure and demanding answers from these employers will be effective, if not in changing the law immediately, at least in reshaping the candidates positions on this issue.

thatsafactjack on April 30, 2015 at 6:12 PM

Reminds me of how we needed to elect a Republican Senate majority and then worry about influencing them to do the right thing.

magicbeans on April 30, 2015 at 5:00 PM

Well the alternative is electing the other side and never have a chance…

The problems with most of the posters, they only see two options…black or white.

They don’t, or can’t, comprehend their are many ways to resolve this issue.

And so far they, the senate, has made mistakes, and on the other side, inviting Bibi was a winner…you only see the negative?

But this is different, at least I perceive it as different than electing an politician…we keep the eye on the ball, the most important issue is securing the border, for two reasons, maybe more.

First, it is simple, easy to define, it’s constitutional, and I think the great majority support…it’s a “bumper sticker” idea.

Second, it’s the right thing to do, countries are defined by the borders.

And I think third, once secured, I do think we will have it much easier to come to a solution of the illegals, and the “legals”…

But most of all, it doesn’t get watered down with “how many angels fit on a head of a pin”, it’s simple….$x to secure the border and bring it to an acceptable security that is measurable.

right2bright on April 30, 2015 at 6:15 PM

Ted Cruz stopped the Gang of Eight Bill that would have automatically granted legal status to between 12 and 20 million illegals.

fight like a girl on April 30, 2015 at 5:17 PM

How in the world did Ted Cruz stop the Gang of Eight bill? It passed in the Senate, but no agreement could be reached with the House. You have to be bluegill.

bw222 on April 30, 2015 at 6:16 PM

Its not okay to bring in foreigners to kill what’s left of the middle class. It just isn’t. The CoC and the powerful have plenty of money. Maybe they will give some to Cruz but he won’t get any of mine or my vote.

magicbeans on April 30, 2015 at 4:59 PM

Pal if you think that “foreigners” is killing the middle class, you have got to go back and take another course in economics…

right2bright on April 30, 2015 at 6:18 PM

Miss Jackie you did some fine work on this thread.

CodaUPB on April 30, 2015 at 6:18 PM

Sessions and Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley, the panel’s GOP chairman, said that the plan to expand the H1-B1 visas for foreign workers, from 65,000 to 115,000, would jeopardize Americans. Many of the visas are given to technology companies.

Two professors, Ronil Hira of Howard University and Hal Salzman of Rutgers University, argued that the large number of foreign workers in the STEM professions displaces American workers and depresses wages. Those jobs cover science, technology, engineering, and mathematics.

And Cruz wants to increase H-1B visas to 325,000 plus their spouses can legally work in the US.

bw222 on April 30, 2015 at 6:20 PM

We keep hope alive, J. Thank you for all the contributions.

OT tidbit

Schadenfreude on April 30, 2015 at 6:20 PM

CodaUPB on April 30, 2015 at 6:18 PM

Thank you. That’s very kind of you. I hope you have a wonderful evening.

thatsafactjack on April 30, 2015 at 6:20 PM

We keep hope alive, J. Thank you for all the contributions.

OT tidbit

Heh, had to tinyURL it

Schadenfreude on April 30, 2015 at 6:21 PM

Pal if you think that “foreigners” is are killing the middle class, you have got to go back and take another course in economics…

notright2bright on April 30, 2015 at 6:18 PM

bw222 on April 30, 2015 at 6:23 PM

Miss Jackie you did some fine work on this thread.

CodaUPB on April 30, 2015 at 6:18 PM

+100%

bw222 on April 30, 2015 at 6:25 PM

How would I know? Or you?

It’s exactly in answering to questions as yours that the market is vastly superior to any alternative.
You decide what are skills to you and do whatever you want with your own money and property. This isn’t hard to understand.

joana on April 30, 2015 at 5:03 PM

There’s a free market and there is open borders anarchy where wages are manipulated downward. Shouldn’t be hard to understand! We need laws, and first world countries are first world because they regulate who comes in and out.

Redstone on April 30, 2015 at 6:28 PM

Schadenfreude on April 30, 2015 at 6:21 PM

Thank you very much for the link, my friend.

Unfortunately, we live in ‘interesting times’.

thatsafactjack on April 30, 2015 at 6:29 PM

This individual, not only has a habit of calling female users the W-word (& using other languages) and casually mentioning rape, often produces blatantly racist quotes.

And he’s getting worse by the day.

joana on April 30, 2015 at 5:06 PM

At that rate, maybe in a million years or so he will be as bad as you!

Redstone on April 30, 2015 at 6:30 PM

bw222 on April 30, 2015 at 6:25 PM

Thank you. I’ve been reading your posts with interest, too.

thatsafactjack on April 30, 2015 at 6:31 PM

It’s pretty disappointing a Cruz thread and no Bluegill/Joana cage match.

RickB on April 30, 2015 at 6:34 PM

Thank you. That’s very kind of you. I hope you have a wonderful evening.

thatsafactjack on April 30, 2015 at 6:20 PM

Same here.

CodaUPB on April 30, 2015 at 6:34 PM

Cheers, my friend. Hang tough.

Schadenfreude on April 30, 2015 at 2:22 PM

You too Schadenfreude!!

V7_Sport on April 30, 2015 at 6:46 PM

cdog0613 on April 30, 2015 at 5:52 PM

I’m an easy-going guy. I voted for McCain in ’08 and Romney in ’12. But I’m tired of what Ace calls “Failure Theater”. I’m proud that my vote helped sink Eric Cantor in the ’14 mid-terms, but the GOP has been a disgrace since that epic victory. Why bother?

Romney didn’t lose because his “self-deportation” stance killed him with Latinos. He lost because 4-5 million working-class/middle-class/Independent/Rust Belt/Reagan Democrat voters stayed home. They had soured on Obama but couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Mr. Forty-seven Percent. A candidate with a tough immigration stance like the one Walker is beginning to articulate can bring those voters back to the GOP without Walker having to move left. He doesn’t have to support gay marriage and insist that Loretta Lynch is wonderful. Bush, Rubio, and Cruz are going to go down in flames with these people. They’ve lost before they’ve even begun.

Can’t wait until Cruz starts defending TPP. That’s a real winner for him, LOL. Walker needs to oppose it, now.

Joseph K on April 30, 2015 at 6:46 PM

Can’t wait until Cruz starts defending TPP. That’s a real winner for him, LOL. Walker needs to oppose it, now.

Joseph K on April 30, 2015 at 6:46 PM

Yes, this issue will get bigger, another one of the reasons that I have basically written off Cruz.

The GOP is in its last throes, it alienates it’s voters but there is no one to replace them with.

GOP voting base stays home, GOP loses, in presidential years.

2014 was a very favorable landscape, in deep red states, and they took the wrong lessons from that.

Liberal immigration views destroyed Rubio, and now Cruz is following his lead.

Cruz is too divisive and cannot afford to lose any portion of his base, or dampen their enthusiasm.

Redstone on April 30, 2015 at 6:58 PM

Pal if you think that “foreigners” is killing the middle class, you have got to go back and take another course in economics…

right2bright on April 30, 2015 at 6:18 PM

I don’t know, maybe so. But I don’t see how flooding the labor market with cheap foreign labor is going to help the American middle class some of which do these STEM jobs for a living.

magicbeans on April 30, 2015 at 7:13 PM

right2bright on April 30, 2015 at 4:55 PM

Reagan said the mistake was trusting the dems, not the bill itself…that’s a pretty straightforward and commonsense view of what happened.

No, it’s a partisan view crafted to appeal to Republican partisans, not a commonsense view of what happened.

And there’s no important distinction for what you claim Reagan said. If the 1986 immigration bill relied on trusting Democrats to follow through with their promises, then who’s the idiot who signed a bill which required trusting Democrats? And who’s the idiot president and his VP who still had six years in the White House to enforce the bill they both endorsed?

Are you really that naive? “Oh, that poor Reagan. He was so trusting.”

I forgive Reagan for his lapses in this area, because at the time immigration wasn’t as important as it later became. It was an understandable mistake for Reagan to say in the seventies and eighties that Hispanics were natural conservatives, because specific polling of Hispanics at the time was thin, and the category itself had only recently been utilized by the U.S. government for census purposes.

When Reagan first made a serious run for president in 1976, Hispanics were one percent of the national electorate and less than five percent of California’s electorate. In 1980, they were two percent of the national electorate. In 1984, three percent. In 1988, when Reagan’s VP ran for office, they were still three.

In 2012, they were ten percent of the electorate.

It’s clear in retrospect that amnesty was a mistake, and if Reagan didn’t admit it, his Attorney General wasn’t so blind to the obvious.

Reagan thought and always believed that the pathway to citizenship, his bill was the right thing to do, he never wavered from that.

Stop bluffing. Immigration was not so important to Reagan that he frequently made reference to it after he retired. I doubt you can find two example of him talking about the bill after 1989. Reagan wasn’t a big talker about policy after he left the White House, and in 1994 he announced he had Alzheimers. And that was pretty much it for him and his ideas about public policy.

It was the lies from the dems that he lamented…not only because it destroyed the good concepts of the bill, because he knew from then on he could, the Republican party, could never trust them again. He wrote that he felt that was the moment that the democrat party had lost it’s way, it’s soul. And I think he was more correct in his assessment than even he knew.

The democrat party of the 50’s and even early 60’s, is not the party that exists now, not even close.

This is just a lot of partisan crap. Neither of the political parties aren’t the same. They change all the time.

Pincher Martin on April 30, 2015 at 7:19 PM

Wow, he’s proclaiming himself the king of HB1 foreign visas..since I work in IT there’s no way he’ll get my support.

Just another COC crony sadly..

celt on April 30, 2015 at 7:27 PM

CORRECTION ON MY LAST:

Neither of the political parties are the same.

*****

Pal if you think that “foreigners” is killing the middle class, you have got to go back and take another course in economics…

right2bright on April 30, 2015 at 6:18 PM

Of course most of the people I hear who talk like this (such as Joana) know nothing about economics. They probably took mandatory micro and macro in college, got B’s in them, and then took nothing else.

But they were so stunned to hear the professors in their Econ courses not question the power of the market (they are often nearly the only professors students hear who didn’t question it) that they started fetishizing the market.

Would it would hurt their love affair with the discipline of economics to know that most economists do not question government intervention and government spending and government redistribution to nearly the same degree that Republicans do?

Probably not. They crush on economics like teen girls crush on One Direction

Pincher Martin on April 30, 2015 at 7:31 PM

CORRECTION:

Would it hurt their love affair…

Pincher Martin on April 30, 2015 at 7:32 PM

Don’t anyone tell Marcus, but Levin was calling out Rubio tonight for his amnesty support, lol.

xblade on April 30, 2015 at 7:34 PM

Ted Cruz stopped the Gang of Eight Bill that would have automatically granted legal status to between 12 and 20 million illegals.

fight like a girl

Um, it passed in the senate. Further, Cruz admitted he had no problem with the legalization aspect of the Gang of Morons bill.

So, yeah.

xblade on April 30, 2015 at 7:39 PM

Exactly…I have stated for months, no one will be elected that wants or runs on a campaign “ship them back”…

right2bright

You do know we already “ship them back”, right? About 400,000 a year, at least until Obama all but ended it.

And as a matter of fact, the candidate who promises to “ship them back” will likely cruise to a victory, barring any stupidity that undermines that promise, like for example “I don’t care about half the country.”

xblade on April 30, 2015 at 7:44 PM

wsucoug on April 30, 2015 at 7:46 PM

Who taught you that, cutie? Those fine gentlemen at Numbers USA?

As anyone who actually lives in the real world knows, that’s pure fiction.

joana on April 30, 2015 at 5:13 PM

So smarty pants, you have any experience in H1B’s? I’m guessing not. I have seen the destruction of careers first hand.

wsucoug on April 30, 2015 at 7:47 PM

If you really care about illegals invading our country, then your only choice is Cruz. I am done arguing with idiots and RINO trolls.

fight like a girl on April 30, 2015 at 5:17 PM

Listen up girl, the liberals advocate illegals jumping the immigration line, and so does Cruz, with his H1B advocacy. There is no difference. Both Cruz and the illegal supporters are serving the same master.

cimbri on April 30, 2015 at 7:54 PM

Ted Cruz stopped the Gang of Eight Bill that would have automatically granted legal status to between 12 and 20 million illegals. Ted Cruz has led the fight against Obama’s illegal executive amnesty and is leading the fight to make Obama follow existing immigration law. NO ONE has done more than Cruz to stop illegals from getting amnesty or to hold Obama accountable to the law. These are the facts. If you really care about illegals invading our country, then your only choice is Cruz. I am done arguing with idiots and RINO trolls.

fight like a girl on April 30, 2015 at 5:17 PM

Hahaha ! You know, there’s nothing wrong with falling in love with bad boys, but you really shouldn’t vote for them just because they’re bad.

Pincher Martin on April 30, 2015 at 7:58 PM

thatsafactjack on April 30, 2015 at 5:49 PM

joana on April 30, 2015 at 5:13 PM” is a retard and always has been.

It doesn’t mind showing up with false “facts” like a liberal. Maybe it is a liberal. I haven’t decided yet if it’s a liberal troll or just a lout.

jaime on April 30, 2015 at 8:26 PM

Wow! Long vid or what?!?! Thanks for posting it Allah. Many good points in there. As far as the controversial parts you time stamped. Like I have already stated on another thread. It’s fine to argue the numbers. The methods for determining the numbers etc. Philosophically with the concept presented on legal immigration I am still fine with it. A robust economy would certainly be necessary for the numbers to go as high as Cruz suggests. So yes he is off on that. I look forward to him answering the critics on those points. He is a politician and very good at conveying his ideas. Should be interesting. Not enough of a negative for me to drop support for him.

Bmore on April 30, 2015 at 9:55 PM

I don’t think there is a conservative out there anywhere that opposes LEGAL immigration. What conservatives hate is the invasion we have been facing for the last 40 years, and what’s happened since o’scumbag stole the whitehouse.

Reform the immigration law by MAKING IT TOUGHER to get in. No criminals, no previous border jumpers, and jail every damned employer giving a thin dime to an illegal.

Then start shooting the pieces of shit as they cross the border illegally. I guarantee they’ll stop coming if they know there is a bullet waiting to tap them in the forehead.

This is America. We have a constitution that applies to AMERICANS. Everyone else is a criminal invader, I want them treated as such.

Andy__B on April 30, 2015 at 10:01 PM

I’m a big fan of bluegill, but I want to know what she thinks about Cruz’s desire to flood us with legal immigrants instead of illegal ones.

Thresher on April 30, 2015 at 11:18 PM

Roger, V7

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As anyone who actually lives in the real world..

joana on April 30, 2015 at 5:13 PM

Thank you for the grin.

this shows that hillary can be just as ‘regular’ as any of us
nonpartisan on April 13, 2015 at 11:10 PM

Schadenfreude on May 1, 2015 at 12:02 AM

Don’t anyone tell Marcus, but Levin was calling out Rubio tonight for his amnesty support, lol.

xblade on April 30, 2015 at 7:34 PM

In an interview with him or just in general? I’d love to hear Rubio on his show. And Mark Levin knows there’s not one candidate who is 100% Levin approved and he is intelligent enough to know who’s electable nationwide and who’s not. Levin has already praised Walker and Rubio, he’s just giving them tough love, slapping them around some. You think in a 2 hour private meeting with Rush Limbaugh that Scott Walker didn’t hear “Listen, buddy…..”? That Rush just sat there on the floor with his legs crossed and both hands supporting is head and looked adoringly? Hardly.

Marcus on May 1, 2015 at 12:11 AM

Marcus on May 1, 2015 at 12:11 AM

This stance by Cruz helps Rubio, since now there is very little daylight between the two on the issue.

They are both bought and paid for, but Rubio is probably a better salesman to the general public.

Redstone on May 1, 2015 at 12:43 AM

I’ve always said Cruz was no different and as Allah says in the first sentence nothing here isn’t something that wasn’t known before. bluegill/anotherJoe (“both” conspicuously absent here) just never wanted to admit it. I’ll say one thing for Cruz, he got rid of blueJoe.

Marcus on May 1, 2015 at 1:39 AM

You do know we already “ship them back”, right? About 400,000 a year, at least until Obama all but ended it.

And as a matter of fact, the candidate who promises to “ship them back” will likely cruise to a victory, barring any stupidity that undermines that promise, like for example “I don’t care about half the country.”

xblade on April 30, 2015 at 7:44 PM

You do know that number is a “made up” number, right?

They included people turned back at the border…try to at least throw out a legitimate figure if you are trying to make a serious case.

And sit down and do a little math on “shipping them back”, if you are a true conservative the last thing you want is a huge, larger than the TSA government organization to process illegals…the court cases alone would consume our courts for decades.

Even “illegals” people who break laws have rights in this country, and rights to due process…good luck pal.

It’s not a matter of what is “right” or what “should” be done, it’s what logically can be done, without building a huge government bureaucracy, one that never ends, because they never do.

You have no idea of the legal entanglement shipping 20 million people out of the country involves…it has never been done.

The closest to getting rid of several million is Germany and the Jews…and that didn’t work out so well.

We interned over 100 thousand Japanese, how did that turn out?

right2bright on May 1, 2015 at 9:14 AM

E-Verify would be cost-effective, and should help reduce current and future illegal immigration to the U.S.

However, I guess it is against so-called business interest to do so, according to those greedy business owners. These business owners believe it is the right thing to do for paying illegal immigrants below minimum wages, while placing illegal immigrants on welfare programs with taxpayers’ tax dollars.

sohumm on May 1, 2015 at 10:43 AM

They are both bought and paid for, but Rubio is probably a better salesman to the general public.

Redstone on May 1, 2015 at 12:43 AM

Rubio can lie better in Spanish.

Schadenfreude on May 1, 2015 at 11:21 AM

Rubio can lie better in English too, even without a prompter…heck, especially without one. He’s better at it than obama.

Schadenfreude on May 1, 2015 at 11:22 AM

However, I guess it is against so-called business interest to do so, according to those greedy business owners. These business owners believe it is the right thing to do for paying illegal immigrants below minimum wages, while placing illegal immigrants on welfare programs with taxpayers’ tax dollars.

sohumm on May 1, 2015 at 10:43 AM

And you work for one of those “greedy” business owners, unless you are on the government dole.

Do you buy the most expensive shirts? No, I guess you are greedy because you don’t spend money foolishly.

You can step in and take any of those jobs if you want, we have millions of American’s out of job that could step in.

And really, the business “places” illegal immigrants on welfare programs? The government created those programs…

right2bright on May 1, 2015 at 11:32 AM

And really, the business “places” illegal immigrants on welfare programs? The government created those programs

Crony capitalism at its finest, businesses refuse to pay market wages and get propped up by the gov’t, w/ the taxpayer footing the bill.

In ND during the oil boom McDonalds Wal Mart etc. paid ridiculous sums because any idiot could get a high paying job on the oil patch.

The last thing we need is more low skill people in this country taking benefits from the already overburdened taxpayer.

Redstone on May 1, 2015 at 11:36 AM

The last thing we need is more low skill people in this country taking benefits from the already overburdened taxpayer.

Redstone on May 1, 2015 at 11:36 AM

Pal, it’s not anyone’s God given right to be paid what they think is fair…

It’s the voters who chose to have these “entitlements”…you are more than welcome to take one of those jobs…

right2bright on May 1, 2015 at 12:09 PM

Pal, it’s not anyone’s God given right to be paid what they think is fair…

It’s the voters who chose to have these “entitlements”…you are more than welcome to take one of those jobs…

Who said that?

Did you even read what I said?

So dumb, it’s not about “fairness”, it’s about not manipulating wages by refusing to enforce immigration laws, and having the taxpayer foot the bill.

Why should the public pay for ER visits, schooling and welfare benefits for people who shouldn’t be here anyway?

Redstone on May 1, 2015 at 12:17 PM

So dumb, it’s not about “fairness”, it’s about not manipulating wages by refusing to enforce immigration laws, and having the taxpayer foot the bill.

Yep, privatize the gain, socialize the losses. That’s why some businesses are for unlimited immigration.

Pincher Martin on May 1, 2015 at 12:29 PM

It’s important to remember that spouses of H-1B visa workers can now legally work in the US. So, the 325,000 number Cruz wants is actually 400,000 – 500,000 people competing against/replacing US citizens.

bw222 on April 30, 2015 at 11:37 AM
The well-educated, and even just the hardest-working of the immigrants not only take American jobs. They create American jobs. They’re not used to government pampering back where they came from. They learn about it when they get here, but they’re not used to it. Silly them, they expect to work.

RBMN on April 30, 2015 at 11:45 AM

The H1B engineers create no jobs. They apply for jobs listed by companies.

I don’t know why you guys don’t give a crap about your fellow American.

cimbri on May 2, 2015 at 5:07 AM

Yeah right

gwhh on May 2, 2015 at 10:36 AM

I am strongly against illegal immigration. I support a modest reduction of legal immigration. And I agree that it hurts American middle-class when high-tech companies import cheap foreign labors simply to replace American workers.

However, I hope Americans would welcome those H1-b visa holders who are able to earn PHD degrees in the U.S. Those science geeks are the best and brightest. They are the reasons that the U.S. is leading in science and engineering. Instead of having these foreign PHD STEM students going back to their home countries and competing with the U.S., it would be wise to make it easier for them to stay and contribute.

In addition, it could soon become a challenge to maintain our Social Security and Medicare system, while baby boomers start their retirement. Boomers may have to decide whether they are more willing to accept a deduction of their retirement benefits, or allow foreign STEM PHD students to stay, contribute, and share the burden.

sohumm on May 2, 2015 at 4:03 PM

I hope Republicans would not appear to be anti-immigrant, because it could alienate those immigrants who are also potentially conservatives.

The GOP has NOT made any effort to reach out to immigrants prior to the 2012 election. However, things started to change, as Asians swing back to the GOP in 2014 elections.

sohumm on May 2, 2015 at 4:10 PM

Ted Cruz has probably lost my vote.

ConstantineXI on April 30, 2015 at 11:25 AM

Conservatism has degraded to pure tribal mentality. Those sufficiently pure to be considered to be part of the tribe can do no wrong…except to be less than pure. That of course requires immediate expulsion from the tribe and then you are immediately a flaming liberal.

And so the movement atrophies to a million tribes of one as nobody is ever as pure as you are…

splitters!

Tlaloc on May 2, 2015 at 5:53 PM

As I have asserted forever, anyone who says they are for comprehensive immigration reform should be for shoring up the border first.

It enables everything they say they want to accomplish. You could probably even get a sizeable portion of Republicans (including me) to go along with some accommodation for the millions already here illegally, if the spigot was really, “verified by the border governors” shut off.

That Democrats never even consider such a move shows their unseriousness on the subject. It’s a manipulation of Hispanics, and despite their bitching and moaning, they keep pulling the D lever.

FishingwFredo on May 2, 2015 at 9:09 PM

I have a gardener, no idea if he is legal or illegal, but he is 1/2 the cost of the “American” gardener…you can pay the $140 a month, I will pay the $75 a month for the same service, actually probably a bit better.

right2bright on April 30, 2015 at 12:11 PM

katy the mean old lady on September 20, 2015 at 11:52 AM

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