Pentagon lawyers discover we don’t have to defend our allies if threatened by Iran

posted at 9:21 am on April 29, 2015 by Noah Rothman

Since the conclusion of the final round of nuclear negotiations, Iran has been engaging in conspicuous displays of aggression.

The U.S. Navy revealed on Tuesday that four Iranian Revolutionary Guards ships intercepted a Maersk cargo vessel in the Strait of Hormuz that was flying a U.S. flag. The episode happened last week and ended without incident, but it was only revealed to the press after Iranian naval vessels performed a similar act of belligerence on Tuesday.

Yesterday, another Maersk container ship, the Tigris, was intercepted by Iranian vessels in international waters, according to the firm. Iranian ships fired over the bow of the Tigris, boarded it, and forced it to proceed to an Iranian port. Shortly after the ship was fired upon, it issued a distress signal that was picked up by a U.S. guided-missile destroyer, the USS Farragut. American warplanes were then tasked with tracking the Maersk vessel as it was forcibly guided into Iranian territorial waters.

The ship was originally reported by the Saudi-owned news agency al-Arabiya to be an American craft, and a few surely breathed a sigh of relief when they learned that the ship was actually flying a Marshal Islands flag. That relief was short lived.

“The Marshall Islands signed a Compact of Free Association with the United States in 1983 and gained independence in 1986 with the Compact’s entry into force,” read a State Department fact sheet on the status of America’s bilateral relations with the former Japanese territory. “The United States has full authority and responsibility for security and defense of the Marshall Islands, and the Government of the Marshall Islands is obligated to refrain from taking actions that would be incompatible with these security and defense responsibilities.”

By mid-afternoon on Tuesday, it appeared as though Iran had ignited an international incident. Moreover, it seemed that the Islamic Republic had possibly triggered America’s obligations by treaty to come to the tiny island nation’s defense. “When asked if his country would request that the U.S. rescue the cargo ship from Iran, Junior Aini, the charge d’affairs for the Marshall Islands Embassy in Washington, told us he was still awaiting guidance from his foreign ministry,” Bloomberg’s Eli Lake and Josh Rogin reported. “But he also suggested that his country had no other recourse than to hope the U.S. responds.”

But a Pentagon statement released shortly after the Tigris was intercepted contradicted observers who, using public technology, discovered that the ship was in international waters when it was boarded by Iranian forces. The Secretary of Defense’s office insisted that the Maersk vessel was diverted “while in Iranian territorial waters transiting inbound in the Strait of Hormuz.” Moreover, upon consultation with the Pentagon’s legal team, it seems as though the United States actually has no obligation to abide by its treaty obligations with the Marshall Islands. How convenient!

The Iranians have reportedly released this Maersk ship, but this was merely the latest episode in what is becoming a disturbing pattern of behavior. The Tigris is unlikely to be the last boat seized by Iranian forces. And the world surely took notice when the United States, while certainly working behind the scenes on the Marshall Islands’ behalf, found it counterproductive to vocally defend their ally and threaten the use of retaliatory force in order to defend their sovereign interests.

There is no better metric to measure the health of American hegemony than whether trade ships enjoy unfettered access to sea lanes. Global maritime law is among the more settled concepts in international law, and its violation has universally understood consequences. American naval power guarantees the right of safe passage, and hostile powers know that they will encounter resistance if they used military force to prevent commercial ships from proceeding along their routes. At least, they knew that until Tuesday. Today, the world awakes to a new reality in which the United States has blinked.

If you’re watching affairs from Moscow, or Beijing, or Tehran, or the capital of any other revisionist power, why wouldn’t you believe that America’s alliances are barely worth the paper on which they are written? Why wouldn’t the Kremlin think it could test NATO’s commitment to the defense of Eastern European states. Would London, Paris, Berlin, and Washington really risk war with a nuclear power over a sliver of territory in eastern Estonia? It no longer seems like much of a risk to find out. Similarly, why would the People’s Republic of China believe that a flotilla of “fisherman” colonialists who establish a base on the contested Senkaku Islands would be resisted with force? There is simply no evidence to suggest that would be the case. At least, not under this administration.

It’s a more dangerous world today, and much of that is a result of Barack Obama’s repeated displays of impotence and irresoluteness. Before this week, when it comes to America’s obligations to its allies, Obama’s “you’re on your own” doctrine was only perceived. Today, it’s precedent.


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The “Leading From Behind” Obama Doctrine…

PatriotRider on April 29, 2015 at 9:23 AM

Change.

rogerb on April 29, 2015 at 9:24 AM

Treaties, like Obamacare, can be enforced as the President decides.

Gatsu on April 29, 2015 at 9:25 AM

We should all hang our heads in shame.

There was a treaty with the Marshall islands that even Libertarians (big “L” Ron Paul types) should be able to recognize.

cozmo on April 29, 2015 at 9:25 AM

The consequences for this pattern of betrayal will be severe.

forest on April 29, 2015 at 9:26 AM

Responsibility to CYA.

GrumpyOldFart on April 29, 2015 at 9:26 AM

It’s a more dangerous world today, and much of that is a result of Barack Obama’s repeated displays of impotence and irresoluteness.

Don’t be so milquetoast Noah. Dear Liar’s intention is to weaken America abroad. Failing to live up to long understood agreements is part and parcel of his desire to handicap this nation. He’s giving aid and comfort to our enemies.

rbj on April 29, 2015 at 9:29 AM

WWFD?

rogerb on April 29, 2015 at 9:29 AM

Sigh

cmsinaz on April 29, 2015 at 9:31 AM

Anyone counting on the United States to honor our obligations under Obama are setting themselves up for failure. For all intents and purposes the Marshal Islands are an extension of the United States, so failing to meet that obligation means that Obama will honor no obligations if he finds them to be politically difficult. I suggest the Marshal Islands figure out how to keep themselves safe without support from the United States. And if they ally themselves with Russia or China who can blame them?

NotCoach on April 29, 2015 at 9:31 AM

Don’t be so milquetoast Noah. Dear Liar’s intention is to weaken America abroad. Failing to live up to long understood agreements is part and parcel of his desire to handicap this nation. He’s giving aid and comfort to our enemies.his friends.

rbj on April 29, 2015 at 9:29 AM

wifarmboy on April 29, 2015 at 9:34 AM

Not news,, ask the Vietnamese who were left behind to the re-education death camps of the NVA/VC.

Oh, wait, they all died in the camps, .

Lt. Kerry gone wind surfing and not available to lie on time.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 29, 2015 at 9:35 AM

Pentagon lawyers

Translation: Squatting Marxist malcontents

StubbornGreenBurros on April 29, 2015 at 9:36 AM

Out of curiosity, is there anything we would go to war over? I am a firm believer in not intervening in another countries internal politics. I am also a firm believer in “Start $(%^, Get hit”. The US should not go looking for trouble, but if trouble comes knocking; you beat the ever-loving heck out of it.

Short of an actual invasion of the 57 states or any of our territories, I think the other powers know they can do as they please.

txaggie on April 29, 2015 at 9:37 AM

Obama should be in a holding cell awaiting trial for Treason.

ConstantineXI on April 29, 2015 at 9:38 AM

All is proceeding according to plan

clippermiami on April 29, 2015 at 9:39 AM

Short of an actual invasion of the 57 states or any of our territories, I think the other powers know they can do as they please.

txaggie on April 29, 2015 at 9:37 AM

He wouldn’t even care about that except that he wouldn’t want to allow for the possibility of red states (and their tax revenue) going away.

ConstantineXI on April 29, 2015 at 9:39 AM

Short of an actual invasion of the 57 states or any of our territories, I think the other powers know they can do as they please.

txaggie on April 29, 2015 at 9:37 AM

Until today, I thought the Marshall Islands were the 57th state, but I guess not.

forest on April 29, 2015 at 9:39 AM

Short of an actual invasion of the 57 states or any of our territories, I think the other powers know they can do as they please.

txaggie on April 29, 2015 at 9:37 AM

I don’t know, Obama might let Alaska go if Russia invaded.

NotCoach on April 29, 2015 at 9:40 AM

Anyone counting on the United States to honor our obligations under Obama are setting themselves up for failure. For all intents and purposes the Marshal Islands are an extension of the United States, so failing to meet that obligation means that Obama will honor no obligations if he finds them to be politically difficult. I suggest the Marshal Islands figure out how to keep themselves safe without support from the United States. And if they ally themselves with Russia or China who can blame them?

NotCoach on April 29, 2015 at 9:31 AM

The Marshall Islands are just as much a part of the United States as DC. Probably more so.

ConstantineXI on April 29, 2015 at 9:41 AM

Obama the traitor will do anything under the sun to get his treasonous deal with Iran… I am sure that he is willing to share intelligence information with the terrorist mullhas if Israel decides to attack Iran nuclear facilities, he may even ask the US military to shoot down the Israeli planes…

mnjg on April 29, 2015 at 9:44 AM

Until today, I thought the Marshall Islands were the 57th state, but I guess not.

forest on April 29, 2015 at 9:39 AM

Which ones are the missing 7 states? (and don’t forget there are more than 57, he thought he had more to go to.

We do know of some.

DC for sure.
O-I-H-O is one (it’s that mysterious state on the Ohio River that Joe The Plumber DOESN’T live in).

What are the other 5+?

ConstantineXI on April 29, 2015 at 9:45 AM

The True History knows.

The Demon of the True History sits with red hot anger in his eyes.

He sits on a huge black horse, the iron hooves strike the rocks and sparks fly up.

The Demon of History wants a true History. The Demon of History will punish those who lie the true History away.

Closer now he comes, the anger grows, the lies he hates flash in his eyes.

Clop, Clop, Clop, CLOP, CLOP, CLOP, near now, the evil money cult know the time of the money printing is passing, the dept can not be paid, the wage slave cost is to high, the lies to large, the time to run is near.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 29, 2015 at 9:45 AM

WWFD?

rogerb on April 29, 2015 at 9:29 AM

Farragut?

I would ask WWJD? (That’s Jefferson, not Jesus.)

GWB on April 29, 2015 at 9:45 AM

he may even ask the US military to shoot down the Israeli planes…

mnjg on April 29, 2015 at 9:44 AM

That is the kind of order the military should disobey.

ConstantineXI on April 29, 2015 at 9:46 AM

I would ask WWJD? (That’s Jefferson, not Jesus.)

GWB on April 29, 2015 at 9:45 AM

Jefferson would have started a Revolution years ago.

ConstantineXI on April 29, 2015 at 9:47 AM

Short of an actual invasion of the 57 states or any of our territories, I think the other powers know they can do as they please.

txaggie on April 29, 2015 at 9:37 AM

I seriously doubt Obama would do anything to protect Guam or American Samoa or the Northern Marianas Islands if they were invaded. He probably doesn’t even remember the latter two exist.

There was a treaty with the Marshall islands that even Libertarians (big “L” Ron Paul types) should be able to recognize.

cozmo on April 29, 2015 at 9:25 AM

Reaction from Ron Paul types I’ve seen has almost been univerally pro-Iran and accusing the US of trying to foment a war with them.

Doomberg on April 29, 2015 at 9:47 AM

The diminution of the nation continues, refusing to assist an ally based on a legal technicality because Dog Eater’s precious legacy might get stained.

The Marshall Islands actually sent a few troops to assist with the Iraq invasion, not many but as many as they could which meant something, or should have.

Our preznit is a joke, a clown, a buffoon, an embarrassment.

Bishop on April 29, 2015 at 9:47 AM

Short of an actual invasion of the 57 states or any of our territories, I think the other powers know they can do as they please.

txaggie on April 29, 2015 at 9:37 AM

He11, he won’t even do anything about invasion. *points to the southern border*

GWB on April 29, 2015 at 9:47 AM

US Allies have found themselves treated like enemies.

US enemies and tyrants have been embraced as friends.

Obama is an out-and-out traitor. There, I said it.

deadite on April 29, 2015 at 9:48 AM

The pucker factor in Taiwan just moved up to Level 2: Frog’s Ass.

Megyn Kellys Lipstick on April 29, 2015 at 9:50 AM

That is the kind of order the military should disobey.

ConstantineXI on April 29, 2015 at 9:46 AM

Would they?

mnjg on April 29, 2015 at 9:50 AM

WWFD?
 
rogerb on April 29, 2015 at 9:29 AM

 
Farragut?
 
I would ask WWJD? (That’s Jefferson, not Jesus.)
 
GWB on April 29, 2015 at 9:45 AM

 
Ha. Yeah, I’ve Jeffersoned before. “What Would Joana Do?” is often fun on certain threads, too.
 
I’m going to wait a minute on this one, though. I’m betting someone gets it.

rogerb on April 29, 2015 at 9:52 AM

Iran is our ally. They have a reset button.

Obama doctrine: Any dictatorship that threatens and invades it’s neighbors automatically becomes an ally.

kcewa on April 29, 2015 at 9:53 AM

The Marshall Islands actually sent a few troops to assist with the Iraq invasion, not many but as many as they could which meant something, or should have.

Bishop on April 29, 2015 at 9:47 AM

A great many of them serve in our military.

GWB on April 29, 2015 at 9:53 AM

Reaction from Ron Paul types I’ve seen has almost been univerally pro-Iran and accusing the US of trying to foment a war with them.

Doomberg on April 29, 2015 at 9:47 AM

I am a Libertarian and I don’t beleive we should go to war over Iran on this incident. If the ship was in their waters, it needs to be handled by diplomats. If Iran is actively harassing shipping, the US & her allies should run a convoy in that area. If Iran gets frisky, you introduce them to our Harpoon cruise missile system.

txaggie on April 29, 2015 at 9:54 AM

That is the kind of order the military should disobey.

ConstantineXI on April 29, 2015 at 9:46 AM

Would they?

mnjg on April 29, 2015 at 9:50 AM

I suspect some will. But they can probably get enough in the air to do the job.

The consequences though would be severe. Anyone disobeying his orders would send Obama into orbit by his flapping ears alone.

But I do believe there are members of our military that would not attack an American ally of long standing on the orders of an enemy sympathizing President.

ConstantineXI on April 29, 2015 at 9:55 AM

Obama’s searches out for the school yard bully and offers up his lunch money before recess even starts.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 29, 2015 at 9:56 AM

The diminution of the nation continues, refusing to assist an ally based on a legal technicality because Dog Eater’s precious legacy might get stained.

The Marshall Islands actually sent a few troops to assist with the Iraq invasion, not many but as many as they could which meant something, or should have.

Our preznit is a joke, a clown, a buffoon, an embarrassment.

Bishop on April 29, 2015 at 9:47 AM

His legacy is not just stained but it is the darkest legacy in US history… It is a legacy of the ultimate treason…

mnjg on April 29, 2015 at 9:56 AM

Obama’s searches out for the school yard bully and offers up his lunch money before recess even starts.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 29, 2015 at 9:56 AM

No. Never HIS money. Always someone else’s.

ConstantineXI on April 29, 2015 at 9:56 AM

I suspect some will. But they can probably get enough in the air to do the job.

The consequences though would be severe. Anyone disobeying his orders would send Obama into orbit by his flapping ears alone.

But I do believe there are members of our military that would not attack an American ally of long standing on the orders of an enemy sympathizing President.

ConstantineXI on April 29, 2015 at 9:55 AM

If he does it, he will eventually be impeached and removed from office, there will be enough democrats in the Senate to remove from office… But he will not care…

mnjg on April 29, 2015 at 9:58 AM

His legacy is not just stained but it is the darkest legacy in US history… It is a legacy of the ultimate treason…

mnjg on April 29, 2015 at 9:56 AM

Punctuated by the inevitable nuclear bombing of an American City (probably NYC) as a direct result of his capitulation to Iran.

His daughters will end up changing their last name it will be so reviled and hated after that.

ConstantineXI on April 29, 2015 at 9:59 AM

If he does it, he will eventually be impeached and removed from office, there will be enough democrats in the Senate to remove from office… But he will not care…

mnjg on April 29, 2015 at 9:58 AM

I don’t think there is ANYTHING Obama could do that would get Democrats (or even a majority of these piece of shit “Republicans”) in the Senate to vote to remove him.

Nothing. Even if HE tried to use the Football to nuke an American city himself.

ConstantineXI on April 29, 2015 at 10:01 AM

I won’t go to Baltimore but I will go to Iran.-OBAMA

artist on April 29, 2015 at 10:03 AM

I am a Libertarian and I don’t beleive we should go to war over Iran on this incident…

If Iran is actively harassing shipping, the US & her allies should run a convoy in that area. If Iran gets frisky, you introduce them to our Harpoon cruise missile system.

txaggie on April 29, 2015 at 9:54 AM

We already have Navy vessels in that area protecting shipping. And Iran is harassing shipping.

kcewa on April 29, 2015 at 10:03 AM

The Marshall Islands are one of the least LGBT-friendly nations in the world. Gay marriage is illegal and gay sex was even illegal until just 2005. In other words, they have waived their right to US protection. We’d basically be condoning their behavior if we protected them.

President Obama acted correctly on this one. The Marshall Island’s LGBT population may finally be liberated.

Frank Lib on April 29, 2015 at 10:03 AM

WWFD

What would FOAD do?

Bishop on April 29, 2015 at 10:03 AM

The Iranians have reportedly released this Maersk ship,

Nope. As of 15 minutes ago that ship was still anchored in Irainian waters. I’m sure state and pentagon would just as soon let that report fly, but it is not at all true. This is not over.

JusDreamin on April 29, 2015 at 10:06 AM

WWFD

What would FOAD do?

Bishop on April 29, 2015 at 10:03 AM

Acronyms all the way down.

NotCoach on April 29, 2015 at 10:07 AM

President Obama acted correctly on this one. The Marshall Island’s LGBT population may finally be liberated.

Frank Lib on April 29, 2015 at 10:03 AM

ROFL

Still, as I continue to say, this is the best sock on HotGas.

Bishop on April 29, 2015 at 10:07 AM

ROFL

Still, as I continue to say, this is the best sock on HotGas.

Bishop on April 29, 2015 at 10:07 AM

He is enjoyable.

NotCoach on April 29, 2015 at 10:08 AM

We already have Navy vessels in that area protecting shipping. And Iran is harassing shipping.

kcewa on April 29, 2015 at 10:03 AM

I should have added a CIC who has the intestinal fortitude to use them.

txaggie on April 29, 2015 at 10:10 AM

President Obama acted correctly on this one. The Marshall Island’s LGBT population may finally be liberated.

Frank Lib on April 29, 2015 at 10:03 AM

They’re here, they’re queer, and they’re GONNA SPREAD AIDS!

ConstantineXI on April 29, 2015 at 10:10 AM

JusDreamin on April 29, 2015 at 10:06 AM

Thank you for the update – it clarifies things somewhat. I posed a question yesterday as to why such a short seizure, but your latest info seems to be more in line with a court order over monies owing.

OldEnglish on April 29, 2015 at 10:12 AM

Before this week, when it comes to America’s obligations to its allies, Obama’s “you’re on your own” doctrine was only perceived. Today, it’s precedent.

No – this has already happened; remember Ukraine and the US agreement to defend them if attacked, if Ukraine gave up nuclear weapons/ambitions, affirmed by Obama himself as early as 2009?

This is no precedent – this is just continuation of what was demonstrated and what we’ve known for years already.

Midas on April 29, 2015 at 10:12 AM

Actually, if you count the six U.S. Territories, the Martial Islands kind of are the 57th state. Sort of. Unless I have the number of territories wrong.

Count to 10 on April 29, 2015 at 10:14 AM

amended and corrected: “Leading with his behind”.!

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 29, 2015 at 10:14 AM

Where’s John F’in Kerry on all of this?

Immolate on April 29, 2015 at 10:16 AM

Dear Leader, and his trusty minions.
Leading From (out of our) Behind, once again.

Recall that Rome was not really ‘overrun’ by the barbarians (who, weren’t exactly ‘barbarians’, either).
They allowed them to enter the Empire unfettered, and when pressing at the margins as central power and direction evaporated, initially resisted, then gave in.

By the last 50 years before its ‘formal’ end in 476, it had already been reduced to a shell, with its previous opponents choosing cardboard cutout emperors, like Romulus Augustulus. Often, cities were overrun and sacked by ‘out of towners’ looking for free swag.

Watch as history rhymes, once again.

orangemtl on April 29, 2015 at 10:18 AM

The USDOD blows the whistle. The Obama administration recognizes the strait of Hormuz as Iranian.

davod on April 29, 2015 at 10:19 AM

I suggest the Marshal Islands figure out how to keep themselves safe without support from the United States. And if they ally themselves with Russia or China who can blame them?

NotCoach on April 29, 2015 at 9:31 AM

The Marshall Islands house our first line of defense radar sites that guard against ICBM’s from southeast Asia. Reportedly several of the islands also contain anti-ICBM missile silos to defend against said missile strikes. Failure to act in defense of the Marshall Islands not only violates our long-standing treaty, it compromises our national security. If the Marshallese ally with Russia or China, we are SOL.

I have to wonder when (if ever) our retired and active duty officer corps will honor their oath and remove this treasonous rat-eared bastard from office.

cornbred on April 29, 2015 at 10:20 AM

If Iran gets frisky, you introduce them to our Harpoon cruise missile system.

txaggie on April 29, 2015 at 9:54 AM

Most of their navy is a little small to be hit by a Harpoon.

GWB on April 29, 2015 at 10:24 AM

cornbred:

Lt. Gen. Lewis M. Walt met with us under the wing of a C-130 with all engines running. We were told what to do, when to do it, how he would support us. He put us on Oral Orders Only and asked us to stay more than the one year deal, we all agreed to end of enlistment if needed.
Did the next 2 1/2 years on OOO’s. LBJ had no idea, Nixon started to ask questions due to the CIA ratting us out.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 29, 2015 at 10:26 AM

Most of their navy is a little small to be hit by a Harpoon.

GWB on April 29, 2015 at 10:24 AM

There’s no kill like overkill. :)

txaggie on April 29, 2015 at 10:30 AM

Count to 10 on April 29, 2015 at 10:14 AM

Nope. 16 territories – 5 permanently inhabited, 10 not inhabited, 1 that Colombia runs, though us and a few others claim it. Then there are the “protectorates”, of which Marshall Islands is one. Really hard to get to 57 with those numbers.

GWB on April 29, 2015 at 10:30 AM

The consequences for this pattern of betrayal will be severe.

forest on April 29, 2015 at 9:26 AM

April 29, 1975

kcewa on April 29, 2015 at 10:32 AM

Worst thing foreign leaders can hear from King Barack is “Don’t worry, I have your back!”

GarandFan on April 29, 2015 at 10:35 AM

Israel, take notice. You too are on your own. Better firm up those attack plans.

ratherbskiing on April 29, 2015 at 10:36 AM

Short of an actual invasion of the 57 states or any of our territories, I think the other powers know they can do as they please.

txaggie on April 29, 2015 at 9:37 AM

I am not sure you are right. I think a hostile power could set up shop on some Aleutian islands and not suffer consequences.

If questioned about such a circumstance zerobama would declare that it’s just JV stuff and head for the links.

FOWG1 on April 29, 2015 at 10:39 AM

I don’t like this, but it puts the nations in the Middle East in a bind. They have the arms and military to defend themselves against Iran and others. They certainly have the money to buy even more military hardware. It is high time they stepped up to the plate, instead of calling for American help. Every time we do help all we get is a quick kick in the shins.

SC.Charlie on April 29, 2015 at 10:49 AM

The “Lightworker” concept extends to the military.

J_Crater on April 29, 2015 at 10:54 AM

Converting several Iranian navy vessels to submarines, and some kinetic remodeling of their main naval base seems to be in order.
However, Iran and other major and minor threats to US security seem to have immunity from any consequences for their misbehavior, at least until the dog-eating surrender monkey leaves the WH.

bobthm3 on April 29, 2015 at 11:02 AM

The Marshall Islands are one of the least LGBT-friendly nations in the world. Gay marriage is illegal and gay sex was even illegal until just 2005. In other words, they have waived their right to US protection. We’d basically be condoning their behavior if we protected them.

President Obama acted correctly on this one. The Marshall Island’s LGBT population may finally be liberated.

Frank Lib on April 29, 2015 at 10:03 AM

Dang! I love your posts. You do sarcasm so eloquently. A true master.

Oldnuke on April 29, 2015 at 11:03 AM

Actually, if you count the six U.S. Territories, the Martial Islands kind of are the 57th state. Sort of. Unless I have the number of territories wrong.

Count to 10 on April 29, 2015 at 10:14 AM

Don’t forget that Guam counts as two. One state for each side because it’s in imminent danger of capsizing.

Oldnuke on April 29, 2015 at 11:05 AM

So Obama publicly abandons more of our allies…and lies about it! Why is this corrupt, mentally-ill, Anti-American still sitting in OUR HOUSE??? His actions have gone from merely anti-American liberal-ludicrous to criminally-insane and world-endangering! He is abandoning our allies…he is supporting terrorism through Iran…He is trying everything he can to give Iran time enough to manufacture nuclear weapons so they cannot be stopped…he is ignoring our allies (Israel, the Marshall Islands, Ukraine, and pretty much all the rest)…He is abandoning Americans who are in peril for their lives in Yemen and other places…He is killing Americans who are hostage to Islamic terrorists rather than rescuing them (because it’s easier and cheaper, I suspect)(he certainly doesn’t care if he kills Americans without due process)…He assassinates Americans without due process by attacking them with drones…

Obama is mentally ill and technically INSANE, not to mention technically a traitor (having committed treason by violating his oath of office, committing serial perjury by lying repeatedly to the American people and by providing aid and comfort to the avowed enemies of America)!!!

WHY IS HE STILL LIVING IN OUR HOUSE and WORKING AGAINST AMERICA OUT OF OUR OVAL OFFICE???

TomCoats on April 29, 2015 at 11:10 AM

The Marshall Islands are one of the least LGBT-friendly nations in the world. Gay marriage is illegal and gay sex was even illegal until just 2005. In other words, they have waived their right to US protection. We’d basically be condoning their behavior if we protected them.

President Obama acted correctly on this one. The Marshall Island’s LGBT population may finally be liberated.

Frank Lib on April 29, 2015 at 10:03 AM

This is not a gay thread, knucklehead! By the way, Lawrence v. Texas was not decided until 2003. LOL

SC.Charlie on April 29, 2015 at 11:11 AM

In the ObamiNation, Iran is a more-important ally than the Marshall Islands.

Steve Eggleston on April 29, 2015 at 11:41 AM

To paraphrase our Wonderful First Lady, for the first time in my life I am ASHAMED of my country. Why should ANY country trust us after this. If a president can disavow a treaty on whim, no treaty or agreement is valid.

Tinker on April 29, 2015 at 11:48 AM

Looks like the Saudis found a little backbone in their ‘war chest’.

From the Islamic Republic News Agency.

JetBlast on April 29, 2015 at 11:58 AM

Friendship is just another word for nothing left to lose, apparently.

steveracer on April 29, 2015 at 11:58 AM

Sorry, Noah, but the world knew very well before Tuesday that his royal highness Barack Hussein Obama II does not stand behind anything, least of all defense treaties with petty little island countries we liberated from the Japanese in WWII.

Boats48 on April 29, 2015 at 12:06 PM

“Pentagon lawyers have determined..US has no obligation to come to the defense of a Marshall Islands-flagged vessel at sea”

Well, Ed, one might think that the summary of the provision you quote from the fact sheet,

“The United States has full authority and responsibility for security and defense of the Marshall Islands, and the Government of the Marshall Islands is obligated to refrain from taking actions that would be incompatible with these security and defense responsibilities.”

might be seen as unquestionable in it’s authority and responsibility, the devil is i the details. The actual Compact details the limits to this in 311 (b), which in part states:

(b) This authority and responsibility includes:
(1) the obligation to defend the Republic of the Marshall Islands and it’s people from attacks or threats thereof as the United States and its citizens are defended;

Obviously the Pentagon lawyers are just explaining that, while under the command of President Obama, the US military is no more likely to defend Marshall Islands than they will be to defend the US.

But we already knew that from Benghazi, Yemen, ….

Our Constitution doesn’t get in the way of what Obama wants to do, why the heck would anyone think some stupid little treaty with the Marshall Islands would?

Dusty on April 29, 2015 at 12:15 PM

Well, Ed,

Dusty on April 29, 2015 at 12:15 PM

This is a Noah post, dude.

GWB on April 29, 2015 at 12:22 PM

This is a Noah post, dude.

[GWB on April 29, 2015 at 12:22 PM]

Whoops. I must have been on another tab when I checked for it.

Sorry, Ed.

Dusty on April 29, 2015 at 12:33 PM

“No finer friend, No worse enemy!”

Oh, that’s yesterday’s USMC.

Chesty Puller weeps.

Another Drew on April 29, 2015 at 12:39 PM

The phrase “Pentagon lawyers” is intentionally misleading. To the casual reader, the implication is that career military lawyers that are (presumably) insulated from political pressures are who came to this conclusion. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth as these are surely political appointees that change from administration to administration. In short, they’re Obama’s lawyers that just happen to be located in the Pentagon.

Atlantian on April 29, 2015 at 12:46 PM

Floyd, btw.

rogerb on April 29, 2015 at 12:51 PM

“No finer friend, No worse enemy!”

Another Drew on April 29, 2015 at 12:39 PM

On the foreign policy front it’s more like “no worse friend, no finer enemy”.

GWB on April 29, 2015 at 1:03 PM

Our dearest leader, we shall forever sing his praise.

Oxymoron on April 29, 2015 at 1:29 PM

This is the BS line coming out of Iran. IMHO, total fabrication as cover for sending a message (read that: being belligerent)
As I said in the other thread, I think the precedent set by snatching a ship in a recognized shipping lane is very dangerous left unchallenged, and I personally don’t think it matters much what flag it happens to be flying. This was a good time to show some back-bone, and I believe (most) any country that uses the straight would have agreed. Too late now.

JusDreamin on April 29, 2015 at 2:00 PM

With friends like Obama …who needs enemies?

CW on April 29, 2015 at 2:19 PM

If America can’t even defend a tiny island friend against the throwback Iranian “navy” Obama has turned a once great nation into a global chickensh^t eunuch-stan.

profitsbeard on April 29, 2015 at 2:28 PM

The Pentagon lawyers and their opinions belong to King Putt.
They simply reflect his leadership (from behind).

As a famous play wright once wrote, “The first thing we do is kill all of the lawyers.”

Missilengr on April 29, 2015 at 3:02 PM

“IF YOU LIKE YOUR TREATY, YOU CAN KEEP YOUR TREATY…PERIOD”.

ARIZONAVETERAN on April 29, 2015 at 6:54 PM

You guys probably forgot it’s sexual prevention awareness month. They are probably still doing hours of training to learn that sexual assault is bad. Who has time for keeping sea lines of communication open, especially the lane wherw a good chunk of the worlds oil transits, when we all know our service member are raping each other constantly…

mgron on April 29, 2015 at 10:10 PM

You can bet that our enemies will be upping these incidents to get as much as they can before Obummer leaves office!!

jtpcamp on April 30, 2015 at 12:06 AM