Obama: We could penetrate Iran’s new Russian-made S-300 air-defense system if we wanted to

posted at 5:21 pm on April 22, 2015 by Allahpundit

Maybe that’s true and maybe it isn’t — well, no, actually it’s almost certainly true — but since both sides understand there’s zero chance O would ever attack Iran, what does it matter? Even as saber-rattling, this is ineffective because there’s no credible threat of force to support it.

That’s why Netanyahu is so concerned about Russia’s sale of the system to Iran. The question at this point isn’t whether the U.S. Air Force could beat the S-300. The question is whether the IAF could.

“Even if they’ve got some air defense systems, if we had to, we could penetrate them,” Obama told MSNBC late Tuesday.

The US president urged to keep things “in perspective,” noting that the US defense budget was “somewhere just a little under $600 billion. Theirs is a little over $17 billion.”

“This is a sale that’s been pending for six years,” Obama said. “It’s of concern, we object to it, particularly because right now we’re still negotiating [a nuclear agreement].”

Martin Dempsey shrugged off the S-300 as a potential deterrent to U.S. war plans but one USAF commander told the Daily Beast recently that the missile system would neutralize Israel’s ability to attack Iran without U.S. help, which means Netanyahu’s hands would be tied until January 2017 at the earliest. One defense expert at AEI says that Israel could still do some damage against the S-300, but unless and until it has F-35s to operate, it may be forced to attack mainly with ballistic missiles now, which will reduce the damage it can do to Iran’s nuclear sites. Israel first faced the prospect of the S-300 being installed in a neighboring enemy state two years ago, when Putin promised to give it to Assad as a defense to U.S./Israeli air raids. Israel’s defense ministry hinted at the time that it had “technological solutions” in the works. A report at the time elaborated on what that might mean:

The Israelis excel in electronic warfare. In 1982, they “blinded” Soviet-supplied Syrian anti-aircraft units in Lebanon, then destroyed 19 of them without Israeli losses. Similar technologies helped Israeli jets destroy a suspected nuclear reactor in Syria in 2007 and, this year, to hit Syrian targets on at least three occasions to prevent what intelligence sources called attempts to move advanced weaponry to Hezbollah.

A source close to Russia’s defense ministry agreed that the Israelis “likely have a million ways to combat the S-300 electronically”. But he questioned their feasibility because they had not been tested in war.

Robert Hewson, an IHS Jane’s air power analyst, predicted Israeli prowess would prevail in Syria while cautioning that the S-300 would be the most formidable air defense system it had ever faced. “Israel has had nasty surprises from these things before,” he said, noting its steep losses to the Soviet anti-aircraft missiles used by Syria and Egypt in the 1973 war.

So the good news is that the IAF has seen this threat coming for a long time and has been preparing for years. The bad news is that no one knows for sure if whatever they’ve got cooking will actually work. It’s always foolish to bet against the Israeli military, but the problem here is even bigger potentially than a nuclear Iran: If the S-300 proves effective against Israeli air assets, it could be smuggled by Iran to Syria and Lebanon, where Hezbollah could use it to threaten passenger jets flying into Tel Aviv.

To boost your spirits, here’s footage of the S-300 in action. I’m pretty sure it works better than this most of the time. Exit question: Would Obama share American technology to counter the S-300 with Israel to support an IAF attack? Assuming Israel doesn’t already have it, I mean.


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AP, the Big Zero says that the U.S. can penetrate the air defense system posed by the S-300. You seem to believe him. Why? He has lied about everything else, what’s the difference now?

In short, you and others can rest assured that he is lying, plain and simple. It’s just his way of supporting his Masters in Iran.

FeedTheHogs on April 22, 2015 at 5:27 PM

Israel has had access to the S 300 from Greece im sure they know how to shut them down.

Pegcity on April 22, 2015 at 5:28 PM

We don’t lack the technology, just the testicles…

redshirt on April 22, 2015 at 5:29 PM

….and my momma can whip your momma….

Pardonme on April 22, 2015 at 5:30 PM

REDLINE REDLINE REDLINE REDRUM REDRUM REDRUM

Andy__B on April 22, 2015 at 5:32 PM

Considering the state of today’s Air Force, i’d be willing to give them no better than even money.

But i’d be willing to bet they have a tom of useful EEO and Sexual Harassement power point presentations…

catmman on April 22, 2015 at 5:32 PM

There are more S300 launch failures out there on YouTube, some quite amusing. Big problem when the missile fails to ignore after being blown out of it’s launch canister and it comes back down on it.

It usually doesn’t go boom, but it will put some nice dents in the launcher preventing the other missiles from being used.

WK on April 22, 2015 at 5:33 PM

We need to sell Israel some Wild Weasels.

RickB on April 22, 2015 at 5:33 PM

This is encouraging.

Walter L. Newton on April 22, 2015 at 5:33 PM

My daddy could beat up your daddy!

AsianGirlInTights on April 22, 2015 at 5:36 PM

So why in the world don’t we want to???

Longhorn Six on April 22, 2015 at 5:38 PM

Nice way to pressure Russia to give Iran their S-400 missile system.

Obama should not be talking about this.

hepcat on April 22, 2015 at 5:38 PM

Just like we could send astronauts up to the international space station?

Except we can’t.

Obama sounds like a jackass behind a convenience store bragging to his bros about how far he can piss.

An embarrassment of world-historical proportions.

profitsbeard on April 22, 2015 at 5:43 PM

Obama: S-300? Pffft. That’s JV stuff.

PackerBronco on April 22, 2015 at 5:44 PM

The weakest link in any air defense network is the radars. An air defense radar doubles as a gigantic homing beacon for anti-radiation missiles. You can avoid being targeted by turning off the radar, but that kind of defeats the purpose of having the radar. The S-300 isn’t exactly a new thing–the initial version was introduced in the 1970s–and you can bet the U.S. and Israel have put some time and effort into developing SEAD tactics against it.

Hayabusa on April 22, 2015 at 5:44 PM

To boost your spirits, here’s footage of the S-300 in action.

So the Israeli’s just need to be sure to not fly below the S300’s and the good news is that they’d never try to fly that low?

Dusty on April 22, 2015 at 5:47 PM

Would Obama share American technology to counter the S-300 with Israel to support an IAF attack? Assuming Israel doesn’t already have it, I mean.

Obama, the guy who spent the last six years trying to undermine Israel in every conceivable way, assist Israel in its struggle with Iran, whom he clearly favors and has empowered to the best of his ability?

I don’t think so. He wants Iran to have the S-300s because it strengthens their hand against Israel. Why would he help Israel defeat them?

novaculus on April 22, 2015 at 5:49 PM

If memory serves, the S-300 (or SA-10/SA-N-6 Grumble for us Neanderthals who prefer to use the NATO designation) is roughly equivalent to the Patriot missile system, both in operation and age. Somehow, I doubt it’s a more-formidable system than the previously-unknown SA-6 threat turned out to be in the Yom Kippur War.

As for the effectiveness of SEAD against the Grumble, given nobody has actually used it in combat yet, that’s an open question.

Steve Eggleston on April 22, 2015 at 5:51 PM

The US president urged to keep things “in perspective,” noting that the US defense budget was “somewhere just a little under $600 billion. Theirs is a little over $17 billion.”

As if that comparison has anything to do with the price of tea in China.

JusDreamin on April 22, 2015 at 5:53 PM

I think I’d bet on the Israelis more than USAF: my experience as a sometime USAF electronic warfare officer was that ECM had low priority and in fact roused considerable hostility in the pilot-centric Air Force. Lead times of more than a decade were not unknown for new equipment, and often the new equipment did not work very well.

PersonFromPorlock on April 22, 2015 at 5:58 PM

High energy micro-wave scrambles Russian guidance radar circuits some say.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 22, 2015 at 5:59 PM

Another JV moment from President JV Team.

Even if we can, and even if the Russians know we can, and even if we know the Russians know we can, it isn’t something the President should be blabbing about to the media.

deepelemblues on April 22, 2015 at 6:00 PM

The only thing obama is interested in penetrating is little boys.

Andy__B on April 22, 2015 at 6:01 PM

S300 is an old crappy Russian technology. For certainty our F15, F16, F18 can easily overcome these SAM let alone our stealth fighters and bombers. The Israelis F16 can also evade them. However for us the issue is not at all about our mightiest military but about this traitor commander in chief who has given the Islamic terrorist mullahs everything they wanted and much more.

mnjg on April 22, 2015 at 6:05 PM

To say you can militarily do something is just plain stupid…more “leaks” come from this administration, trying to sound tough, than any I can recall.

All he had to say is “We are not concerned”…or something even more vague…

He is such a novice at negotiations, so naive…

right2bright on April 22, 2015 at 6:08 PM

Another JV moment from President JV Team.

Even if we can, and even if the Russians know we can, and even if we know the Russians know we can, it isn’t something the President should be blabbing about to the media.

deepelemblues on April 22, 2015 at 6:00 PM

Exactly, I didn’t see your post, exactly what I mean…

Speak softly, carry a big stick, those are valuable words…

right2bright on April 22, 2015 at 6:10 PM

President Dimwit blurts out again. The master negotiator. It still is the most baffling thing in the world how he was elected not once, but twice.

Neitherleftorright on April 22, 2015 at 6:16 PM

“This is a sale that’s been pending for six years,” Obama said

 
That’s interesting.

rogerb on April 22, 2015 at 6:17 PM

Exit question: Would Obama share American technology to counter the S-300 with Israel to support an IAF attack? Assuming Israel doesn’t already have it, I mean.

Well, the Israelis probably shared it with us in the first place…and no, Dear Leader would not share with the Israelis…they are his enemy.

AUINSC on April 22, 2015 at 6:19 PM

The US president urged to keep things “in perspective,” noting that the US defense budget was “somewhere just a little under $600 billion. Theirs is a little over $17 billion.”

But with Obama as Commander in Chief, are we getting enough bang for our bucks?

To boost your spirits, here’s footage of the S-300 in action.

What’s the Russian word for “$#!+”?

Steve Z on April 22, 2015 at 6:27 PM

President Dimwit blurts out again. The master negotiator. It still is the most baffling thing in the world how he was elected not once, but twice.

Neitherleftorright on April 22, 2015 at 6:16 PM

Putin and the Chinese probably hacked the vote and installed the weakest dupe on the ballot.

profitsbeard on April 22, 2015 at 6:29 PM

How does he know so much about penetration?

Neitherleftorright on April 22, 2015 at 6:31 PM

Putin and the Chinese probably hacked the vote and installed the weakest dupe on the ballot.
profitsbeard on April 22, 2015 at 6:29 PM

Or they paid for the buses to the precincts

Neitherleftorright on April 22, 2015 at 6:33 PM

Q: How can you tell when Obama is lying to you?
A: His lips are moving.

Mike from NC on April 22, 2015 at 6:56 PM

Obama: We could penetrate Iran’s new Russian-made S-300 air-defense system if we wanted to

“But we don’t want to, and we don’t want Israel or anyone else to. So we’re quietly going to give the mullahs the data they need to counter-ECM anyone trying to jam the SNAR radar system. That’ll fix the IAF!”

I fully expect that the Iranians already have all the relevant data necessary to make their AAA radars nearly impervious to our (and Israel’s) ECM. My guess is that the technology transfer was probably in Lurch’s Welcome Wagon basket when the negotiations opened.

Hillary! will be shocked- shocked!– that… the Iranians didn’t have to pay for it.

The difference between The One and the Clintons is that he gives away for free what they charge top dollar for. But he thinks that wonderful warm feeling of having struck a blow against colonialism and creeping Westernism in the enlightened East is priceless.

clear ether

eon

eon on April 22, 2015 at 6:56 PM

High energy micro-wave scrambles Russian guidance radar circuits some say.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 22, 2015 at 5:59 PM


Let’s think about the basics …

Any SAM system has radar that is detectable at far greater distance than the range of the SAM missile it fires.

A variety of airborne missiles are designed to home on the SAM system radar once they are detected.

Problem: Does the airplane missile range exceed the SAM missile range?

Solution: Take a 500 pound tactical nuclear bomb and have the pilot ballistically lob the bomb onto the SAM site from a greater distance than either of the missiles. With the addition of a very cheap GPS intelligent guidance system with wings you can lob the bomb and be headed back home long before it goes off.

The Israelis as a general rule practice the old maxim:

Understate your capabilities and outperform expectations.

PolAgnostic on April 22, 2015 at 7:03 PM

Bozo always sides with his bros, just not his real brothers.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2015 at 7:12 PM

Any defensive system can be beaten, just as any assault can be broken.

The question is the cost involved to do so. The S-300 system escalates the costs involved for Israel and/or America attacking Iran.

sharrukin on April 22, 2015 at 7:16 PM

Buffoon-Boy is peeved because he wanted the chance to approve the deal, thereby surrendering to both Putin and the Ayatollah in one action. It would have been his shining moment.

Adjoran on April 22, 2015 at 7:19 PM

The US president urged to keep things “in perspective,” noting that the US defense budget was “somewhere just a little under $600 billion. Theirs is a little over $17 billion.”

As if that comparison has anything to do with the price of tea in China.

JusDreamin on April 22, 2015 at 5:53 PM

Exactly this.

The comparison is so unfair as to be a lie. Do Russian soldiers make more than a tiny fraction of what our soldiers get paid? Do the Russians have, what is it, seven carrier battle groups?

Also, is that the S300 film where it comes down and explodes… but the other one goes up successfully immediately following?

I bet Gary powers was pretty surprised at how their supposedly crappy equipment performed too…

WitchDoctor on April 22, 2015 at 7:22 PM

Colmes said today that “the world is so much more peaceful since obama”.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2015 at 7:38 PM

Whatever. President Valjar will never OK it’s use.

ghostwalker1 on April 22, 2015 at 7:46 PM

Curious that there is no fire ball after the missile comes down. Did they forget to fuel it?

Ditto regarding the CIC bragging that we can beat their missile system, a) it is stupid tactics, b) it sounds exactly like “my dad can be up your dad”.
Dumb, dumb, dumb.

parke on April 22, 2015 at 8:38 PM

Forgot to mention c) and it will cost Obama his Nobel Peace Prize, something that he probably actually cares about.

parke on April 22, 2015 at 8:39 PM

Obama: We could penetrate Iran’s new Russian-made S-300 air-defense system if we wanted to

WE? So King Barack would be willing to LEAD the charge?

GarandFan on April 22, 2015 at 8:58 PM

Why would that stupid ass obama give out that information anyway????? Does he tell the Russians, and the rest of our enemies everything we are capable of? I abhor this man.

garydt on April 22, 2015 at 9:08 PM

MeanWhile,……in North Korea:
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North Korea nuclear program
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Editor’s note:

The Wall Street Journal report on North Korean nuclear capabilities notes that an analysis by Chinese experts were relayed in a meeting with US specialists. The paper reports that the Chinese believe that North Korea may already have 20 warheads. – Tom
End of note
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North Korea nuclear program
55m
China’s top nuclear experts warn North Korea’s nuclear threat is rising, could threaten regional security – @WSJBreakingNews
Read more on http://www.wsj.com

http://www.wsj.com/articles/china-warns-north-korean-nuclear-threat-is-rising-1429745706
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China Warns North Korean Nuclear Threat Is Rising
Pyongyang could double nuclear-weapons arsenal by next year, according to latest Beijing estimates
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By
Jeremy Page in Beijing and
Jay Solomon in Washington
April 22, 2015 7:35 p.m. ET
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China’s top nuclear experts have increased their estimates of North Korea’s nuclear weapons production well beyond most previous U.S. figures, suggesting Pyongyang can make enough warheads to threaten regional security for the U.S. and its allies.

The latest Chinese estimates, relayed in a closed-door meeting with U.S. nuclear specialists, showed that North Korea may already have 20 warheads, as well as the capability of producing enough weapons-grade uranium to double its arsenal by next year, according to people briefed on the matter.
(More……….)
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http://www.wsj.com/articles/china-warns-north-korean-nuclear-threat-is-rising-1429745706

canopfor on April 22, 2015 at 9:56 PM

It will be interesting to see what impact airborne laser systems have on s300 type missile systems. In time, airborne lasers may render them obsolete. Star Wars, baby! Thank you President Reagan.

devan95 on April 22, 2015 at 10:24 PM

Obama really thinks the US is a T-rex, but for some reason he ignore that huge jaw full of sharp teeth and insists on attacking our enemies with those tiny arms. Go figure.

warmairfan on April 22, 2015 at 11:21 PM

my experience as a sometime USAF electronic warfare officer was that ECM had low priority and in fact roused considerable hostility in the pilot-centric Air Force. Lead times of more than a decade were not unknown for new equipment, and often the new equipment did not work very well.

PersonFromPorlock on April 22, 2015 at 5:58 PM

Nobody on a combat flight crew ever considered electronic countermeasures beneath their dignity or were hostile to their specialists.

Equipment delays and glitches have never yet kept the USAF from air superiority.

Your “sometime” experience as an EWO was apparently on your off days as a Denny’s fry cook.

Which might explain your obvious resentment at those who were good enough to be pilots.

Younggod on April 23, 2015 at 7:20 AM

Exit question: Would Obama share American technology to counter the S-300 with Israel to support an IAF attack?

Better question: Would Obama share American technology and intelligence with Iran to thwart an IAF attack?

Nomas on April 23, 2015 at 7:55 AM

It isn’t a matter of “if” they can be penetrated, but a matter of how large a strike force, how many munitions needed to suppress it, and at what risk to pilots. Israel isn’t exactly in a good position to make CSAR runs in Iran for downed pilots.

Count to 10 on April 23, 2015 at 8:15 AM

Just can’t keep his mouth shut about the military’s capabilities, can he.

Kissmygrits on April 23, 2015 at 9:02 AM

Obie will draw a red line around Israel that will shield it from enemy threats. (Now featured in Choom Comics).

Krupnikas on April 23, 2015 at 9:46 AM

Even if it’s true, why would Obama say it? That just means the enemy will be working full time to harden their systems against our ability. Barack Obama is the worst blabber-mouth in American history.

RebeccaH on April 23, 2015 at 11:37 AM

Obama — the biggest government leak of all.

sadatoni on April 23, 2015 at 11:46 AM

We have very good folks in our YGBSM squadrons. Fresh airframes, great ground crews, best techs in the game. The Israeli’s are also up on the ECCM challenges and in some areas they excel.
King Putt on the other hand hasn’t a clue what he is supposed to be the leader of, and little understanding about our personnel, performance capabilities, limitations, etc. He is the prime example of a clueless NPD and for the most part a Complete and Utter Fraud. An Ignoranus if you will.
Israel has leaders who know their stuff; they came up thru the ranks and know what everyone’s jobs are. They actually attend security briefings and READ the intelligence reports as they are gathered. King Putt? Not so much. But he is good at cussing and killing Christians.

Missilengr on April 23, 2015 at 3:21 PM

Remember that in 2009 Obama shut down production of the F-22 fighter. Why? Because it can defeat the S-300 system. Obama wanted production limited to only 187 planes for the U.S. military, so that no additional planes could be sold to Israel.

Colony14 on April 23, 2015 at 9:52 PM

Exit question: Would Obama share American technology to counter the S-300 with Israel to support an IAF attack? Assuming Israel doesn’t already have it, I mean.

If we’ve got it, and our USAF guys have their “full equipment”, including brains, heart, and gonads, not to mention a sense of smell; then the Israelis have gotten it from one (or more) “righteous gentiles”…

Defending us from all enemies, foreign and domestic. And both.

ReggieA on April 23, 2015 at 11:08 PM