Obama admin: How dare Israel share intel on Iran talks with Congress!

posted at 8:31 am on March 24, 2015 by Ed Morrissey

As it turns out, the speech by Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu wasn’t the communication to Congress that got the Obama administration most upset. Today’s Wall Street Journal reveals in a report from Adam Entous that Israel’s intelligence service had penetrated the talks with Iran, both through human intelligence and signals intelligence. That allowed Israel to make an international case against the emerging deal in an attempt to derail Barack Obama’s desperate desire to reach a rapprochement with Tehran.

And even that didn’t generate the most ire in the White House. No, that came when Israel had the temerity and the nerve to inform a group considered by the Obama administration as a dangerous gathering of subversives … right down Pennsylvania Avenue from the West Wing (via T. Becket Adams and Sonny Bunch):

The spying operation was part of a broader campaign by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government to penetrate the negotiations and then help build a case against the emerging terms of the deal, current and former U.S. officials said. In addition to eavesdropping, Israel acquired information from confidential U.S. briefings, informants and diplomatic contacts in Europe, the officials said.

The espionage didn’t upset the White House as much as Israel’s sharing of inside information with U.S. lawmakers and others to drain support from a high-stakes deal intended to limit Iran’s nuclear program, current and former officials said.

“It is one thing for the U.S. and Israel to spy on each other. It is another thing for Israel to steal U.S. secrets and play them back to U.S. legislators to undermine U.S. diplomacy,” said a senior U.S. official briefed on the matter.

It is? As Entous notes, it’s hardly a secret that countries spy on each other, even allies, despite all the pearl-clutching that took place regarding Angela Merkel’s cell phone a while back. Countries use intelligence services for their own national security, and sometimes that means checking up on allies — especially when those allies seem intent on cutting deals with one’s own mortal enemy. The White House only found out about the penetration through the US’ own intel-gathering efforts on Israel, as it turns out.

But, er, why is informing Congress the worst part of the issue? Congress exercises oversight over executive-branch activities, even in the area of foreign policy. It had been customary for presidents to keep Congress abreast of such diplomatic efforts, especially in areas that so deeply impact national security. Instead, Congress had to get the details of Obama’s deals through the intelligence services of another nation — and instead of being embarrassed, the Obama administration wants to act as though they’ve been wronged.

Mike Doran from the Hudson Institute puts the perversion of basic American civics succinctly:

Entous isn’t finished, either. It turns out that Israel had a lot more cooperation from Europe than it got from the US on the Iran deal. The intel collection wasn’t all done by the Mossad:

Israeli officials denied spying directly on U.S. negotiators and said they received their information through other means, including close surveillance of Iranian leaders receiving the latest U.S. and European offers. European officials, particularly the French, also have been more transparent with Israel about the closed-door discussions than the Americans, Israeli and U.S. officials said.

Small wonder, then, that Ambassador Ron Dermer and Netanyahu leaped at the chance to speak before Congress — and small wonder that John Boehner made the offer. Obama and his advisors were keeping Congress in the dark and planning to bypass them in any deal. Boehner acted to bring the balance of power within the federal government back to a more proper status. Instead of apologizing, Obama and his advisors instead went on a smear campaign to derail Netanyahu, all in a bid to keep a deal alive with Iran while its Supreme Leader endorsed the “death to America” chants in the streets.

Oh yeah, the Obama administration had something to say about that too:

Er … sure. As I replied at the time, that’s exactly what Western European leaders thought of Mein Kampf in the 1930s, too. This administration would be covered in shame if they were capable of feeling it in the slightest, and humiliated if they had any sense of history whatsoever.


Related Posts:

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

When I read last night that Israel stole US secrets and using them to undermine USA diplomacy, I told myself that my day will not be complete until I see an Ed post telling us all the reasons why this is either a good thing, an excellent thing, or the best thing ever, and comments saying how happy they are Israel is sticking it to America, I mean Obama.

Actually, I think it’s because readers here don’t buy into the narrative: No Matter How Badly Obama Behaves, He’s the Victim.

I know I read the article because I am not only outraged but also incredibly worried about the lack of checks and balances in our government, and see it as a travesty that Congress had to get information it was entitled to by law from a foreign source.

It’s not about “sticking it to Obama”, it’s concern about his actions for the sake of our country. There is a difference.

The #1 person who makes it personal is Obama.

RockyMtnGirl on March 24, 2015 at 1:26 PM

It is really a sad day in America when we applaud a foreign nation for spying on us.

No other country will tolerate this on earth.

weedisgood on March 24, 2015 at 1:22 PM

It’s also a sad day when the US Congress is treated like an enemy power and “Death To America” is treated like a respected ally.

Heck, I’d say that’s more sad… but I guess your mileage may vary.

I’m guessing you think if you support “Death to America” they’ll kill you last? Or have you not even got that deal working for you?

gekkobear on March 24, 2015 at 1:29 PM

No, it is Obama and Jarrett being subversive by withholding the truth until after the deal is made. This way checks and balances assure a greater disclosure to the American people.

jake49 on March 24, 2015 at 1:32 PM

gekkobear on March 24, 2015 at 1:29 PM

The US congress(republicans to be exact) is acting on information STOLEN by a foreign government.
How is this not treason…

weedisgood on March 24, 2015 at 1:37 PM

It is really a sad day in America when we applaud a foreign nation for spying on us.

No other country will tolerate this on earth.

weedisgood on March 24, 2015 at 1:22 PM

Did you cheer when Merkel’s phone hack was revealed?

Every nation spies on every other nation. “Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer”, ring any bells in that super stoned head of yours?

nobar on March 24, 2015 at 1:37 PM

Anyone around the world with a lick of common sense has to be utterly dismayed at the embarrassment and lack of sobriety that is the Obama administration.

I regret that their perceptions are so spot on.

22044 on March 24, 2015 at 1:40 PM

Three little leftist anti-Semite trolls. Perhaps the three of you can inform the rest of us where you became Constitutional scholars? Have the three of you always been so naive? What made you anti-Semites?

Bmore on March 24, 2015 at 1:42 PM

weedisgood, if anyone is acting in a treasonous and illegal manner, it is the Executive branch of the government, which is supposed to be held in line by checks and balances from the other CO-EQUAL branches of gov’t, you nitwit.

Obama is not a dictator, no matter how much you’d like it.

Closet Optimist on March 24, 2015 at 1:43 PM

Obama admin: How dare Israel share intel on Iran talks with Congress!

Thought experiment:
The US under president Ted Cruz is negotiating a delicate treaty with Russia. China spies on those negotiations and not liking what it’s hearing goes to democrats in congress and presents them with selected excerpts of the intelligence they gained in an obvious attempt to undercut the president and get congress to unconstitutionally interfere with the president’s foreign policy purview.

That’s totally cool, right? Or did swapping russia-iran, obama-cruz, israel-china somehow alter your view of the matter?

Tlaloc on March 24, 2015 at 1:49 PM

Obama is not a dictator, no matter how much you’d like it.

Closet Optimist on March 24, 2015 at 1:43 PM

Co-equal does not mean having the same powers. Foreign policy is given to the president to oversee.

Tlaloc on March 24, 2015 at 1:50 PM

Every nation spies on every other nation. “Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer”, ring any bells in that super stoned head of yours?

nobar on March 24, 2015 at 1:37 PM

Our spies in Lichtenstein are awesome!

Okay, your statement is an exaggeration, but yes all the major powers spy on each other. However taking that intelligence and actively trying to undermine the presidency when it is acting in it’s constitutional duties takes things a lot farther.

Tlaloc on March 24, 2015 at 1:53 PM

Thought experiment:
The US under president Ted Cruz is negotiating a delicate treaty with Russia. China spies on those negotiations and not liking what it’s hearing goes to democrats in congress and presents them with selected excerpts of the intelligence they gained in an obvious attempt to undercut the president and get congress to unconstitutionally interfere with the president’s foreign policy purview.

That’s totally cool, right? Or did swapping russia-iran, obama-cruz, israel-china somehow alter your view of the matter?

Tlaloc on March 24, 2015 at 1:49 PM

Is Cruz negotiating for Russia getting nuclear weapons with nothing real to sting them with in case they back out?
You compared an apple to a banana and expect us to treat you seriously?

nobar on March 24, 2015 at 1:54 PM

No other country will tolerate this on earth.

weedisgood on March 24, 2015 at 1:22 PM

LOL Good one!

kenny on March 24, 2015 at 1:54 PM

I read today that the pollen season this year is going to be especially bad. That appears to be the case. I’m stuck inside and Tlaloc, Weedisgood, and Corona79 are obviously having to work outside and have taken some fairly heavy antihistamines.

There is no other way to account for their collective stupidity today on this thread. Which isn’t really unlike any other day, but still…

USNCVN on March 24, 2015 at 1:55 PM

That’s totally cool, right? Or did swapping russia-iran, obama-cruz, israel-china somehow alter your view of the matter?

Tlaloc on March 24, 2015 at 1:49 PM

If Cruz was deliberately keeping Congress in the dark, and by that I mean the select committees with oversight who have security clearance for such things, if Cruz deliberately intended to bypass the checks and balances we have…then nope, don’t have a problem with it.

Congress can always go back to the administrations and ask about what they heard. They’re an equal part of government, not a lesser branch.

RockyMtnGirl on March 24, 2015 at 1:56 PM

Anybody who thinks that Israel has to spy on the US to know what is happening in the ME on such a crucial matter is as brainless as Obama.

BabyGrace on March 24, 2015 at 9:56 AM

Reading around this morning, Israel denies spying (directly) on the US, but they have plenty of other sources.
Israel claims most of their information came from traffic on the Iranian comm lines.

AesopFan on March 24, 2015 at 1:58 PM

coolrepublica on March 24, 2015 at 1:16 PM

It is really a sad day in America when we applaud a foreign nation for spying on us.

weedisgood on March 24, 2015 at 1:22 PM

Sadder than the fact that Obama is angry because someone informed a co-equal branch of government with authority over the final deal of what he was trying to hide from them?

Really? Seriously?

GrumpyOldFart on March 24, 2015 at 2:00 PM

WH reax to Ayatollah’s Death to America was that it was “intended for a domestic political audience.”

This from the same White House that refused to give Netanyahu the same benefit of the doubt on his comments regarding a Palestinian state. Interesting world we live in today. God help us.

ncconservative on March 24, 2015 at 10:30 AM

I haven’t noticed that Bibi trims his sails according to audience (even if he does backtrack sometimes) so there wasn’t any “forked tongue” from him to waive away.
But, yeah, consistency for this administration lies in only one test: what we want is good; what anyone else wants is bad.

AesopFan on March 24, 2015 at 2:01 PM

I hope this feud escalates to the point where Israel releases Obamas’ college transcripts.

MichaelGabriel on March 24, 2015 at 10:59 AM

Yep.

AesopFan on March 24, 2015 at 2:02 PM

The US congress(republicans to be exact) is acting on information STOLEN by a foreign government.
How is this not treason…

weedisgood on March 24, 2015 at 1:37 PM

Well go ahead, arrest them all and declare Obama King for life as you’ve removed all opposition and an entire branch of government.,

You really should have confiscated all the guns first; but he’ll be King for life just as you demand.

You do know what happens to a country when you try this, right?
It goes Coup-Coup.

gekkobear on March 24, 2015 at 2:03 PM

It is really a sad day in America when we applaud a foreign nation for spying on us.

No other country will tolerate this on earth.

weedisgood on March 24, 2015 at 1:22 PM

Are we u kidding me, imbecile? Read the whole WSJ article by Entous, they weren’t spying on us, cretin, they were spying on the OpIrnaina diplos, but here’s the weird thing, by spying on them they found out unpleasant things about the US negotiators and how they were folding (re the no of centrifuges, for instance). Also, how do u think US found out that Israel was spying on the Iranian diplos?? Bingo, yes, because we were spying on Israel. So u assume we can spy on all our allies (see the NSA Merkel phone tapping scandal not long ago) but u think they won’t spy on us, yeah? Aren’t u a smart cookie? It’s a game and it’s a fair one, I spy on u, you spy on me, everybody spies on everybody else. If u think otherwise, u might as well get yourself a safe room somwhere, to recover from the trauma of finding out that reality was different than u imagined it, or just drop off the face of earth, surest way of not experiencing any.

jimver on March 24, 2015 at 2:06 PM

in fact, when U.S. intelligence agencies spying on Israel intercepted communications among Israeli officials that carried details the U.S. believed could have come only from access to the confidential talks

So the Israeli spying releases intel to the US Congress.

US intel releases intel to reporters.

Only one of these is treason to the left; because only one of those is an enemy of America who cannot be allowed government secrets.

That’s of course the GOP led Congress, reporters are toats cool.

Party above everything, right guys?

gekkobear on March 24, 2015 at 2:06 PM

‘They were spying on the Iranian diplos’, that is…

jimver on March 24, 2015 at 2:07 PM

That’s totally cool, right? Or did swapping russia-iran, obama-cruz, israel-china somehow alter your view of the matter?

Tlaloc on March 24, 2015 at 1:49 PM

If Cruz was deliberately keeping Congress in the dark, and by that I mean the select committees with oversight who have security clearance for such things, if Cruz deliberately intended to bypass the checks and balances we have…then nope, don’t have a problem with it.

Congress can always go back to the administrations and ask about what they heard. They’re an equal part of government, not a lesser branch.

RockyMtnGirl on March 24, 2015 at 1:56 PM

It’s not the who, it’s the how and the what that are the problem.
And speaking of Congressmen with clearances:

Remember during the 2008 campaign when people were pointing out that under normal circumstances Obama wouldn’t be able to get security clearance?

Good times, good times.

talkingpoints on March 24, 2015 at 10:31 AM

AesopFan on March 24, 2015 at 2:08 PM

I hope this feud escalates to the point where Israel releases Obamas’ college transcripts.

MichaelGabriel on March 24, 2015 at 10:59 AM

Yep.

AesopFan on March 24, 2015 at 2:02 PM

jimver on March 24, 2015 at 2:10 PM

Is Cruz negotiating for Russia getting nuclear weapons with nothing real to sting them with in case they back out?
You compared an apple to a banana and expect us to treat you seriously?

nobar on March 24, 2015 at 1:54 PM

What he’s negotiating for is irrelevant.

But thank you for tacitly admitting you’re a complete hypocrite who scream bloody murder if the same thing was done to Cruz.

Tlaloc on March 24, 2015 at 2:12 PM

If Cruz was deliberately keeping Congress in the dark, and by that I mean the select committees with oversight who have security clearance for such things, if Cruz deliberately intended to bypass the checks and balances we have…then nope, don’t have a problem with it.

RockyMtnGirl on March 24, 2015 at 1:56 PM

The president has no requirement to keep any part of congress in the loop about any ongoing negotiations. That’s entirely in his sphere of control.

Tlaloc on March 24, 2015 at 2:13 PM

When I read last night that Israel stole US secrets and using them to undermine USA diplomacy, I told myself that my day will not be complete until I see an Ed post telling us all the reasons why this is either a good thing, an excellent thing, or the best thing ever, and comments saying how happy they are Israel is sticking it to America, I mean Obama.

What a lovely day we are having.

coolrepublica on March 24, 2015 at 1:16 PM

I thought we’d at least get a little qualification from Ed, admitting that this is an unseemly but, given the circumstances, understandable act.

Nope, he’s practically drooling into his keyboard with excitement. Perhaps we’ll get a release Jonathan Pollard post later this afternoon.

All you clowns arguing that “countries spy on each other all the time” should reference this quote from the administration:

“It is one thing for the U.S. and Israel to spy on each other. It is another thing for Israel to steal U.S. secrets and play them back to U.S. legislators to undermine U.S. diplomacy,” said a senior U.S. official briefed on the matter.

Joseph K on March 24, 2015 at 2:20 PM

What he’s negotiating for is irrelevant.

But thank you for tacitly admitting you’re a complete hypocrite who scream bloody murder if the same thing was done to Cruz.

Tlaloc on March 24, 2015 at 2:12 PM

No it isn’t. The details do matter here.

If Cruz was negotiating for what I said or even what Teh One was, I’d be screaming bloody murder.

But good try on being a psychic. You should sell the act.

nobar on March 24, 2015 at 2:21 PM

When I read last night that Israel stole US secrets and using them to undermine USA diplomacy, I told myself that my day will not be complete until I see an Ed post telling us all the reasons why this is either a good thing, an excellent thing, or the best thing ever, and comments saying how happy they are Israel is sticking it to America, I mean Obama.

What a lovely day we are having.

coolrepublica on March 24, 2015 at 1:16 PM

Nice :)

Tlaloc on March 24, 2015 at 2:23 PM

continued:

I think the administration gets that part.

Israel was not sharing information with Congress. They were sharing information with the administration’s opposition in Congress. Or did Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid get a brief?

This is a monumental blunder, a real mistake, and will not help Israel’s case.

Oh, for those of you who wish to accuse me, or anyone else who is appalled by this of anti-Semitism, you can kiss my Semitic @ss.

Joseph K on March 24, 2015 at 2:24 PM

What he’s negotiating for is irrelevant.

Tlaloc on March 24, 2015 at 2:12 PM

You know only a progressive could make a statement like this. It is so reality-free.

Dolce Far Niente on March 24, 2015 at 2:25 PM

No it isn’t. The details do matter here.

If Cruz was negotiating for what I said or even what Teh One was, I’d be screaming bloody murder.

But good try on being a psychic. You should sell the act.

nobar on March 24, 2015 at 2:21 PM

No they don’t. You know how I know that- because you don’t know the details and you’re b*tchig anyway. You know rumors of the details, and the selected bits the Israelis released (and most likely distorted) to make the deal sound bad. What you don’t know are the actual facts.

it’s “DEATH PANELS” all over again. But of course you didn’t learn anything from that so you’r making all the same mistakes.

Tlaloc on March 24, 2015 at 2:26 PM

“It is one thing for the U.S. and Israel to spy on each other. It is another thing for Israel to steal U.S. secrets and play them back to U.S. legislators to undermine U.S. diplomacy,” said a senior U.S. official briefed on the matter.

Joseph K on March 24, 2015 at 2:20 PM

Lolollolol :) so they ‘stole our secrets’ and they gave them back to…us (Congress) :) lol, you’re comic relief dude…Besides, if you had any clue and actually bothered to read the whole scoop by Enthous, Israel was spying on the Iranian diplos and that’s how they got the info, and while doing this unpleasant stuff about our negotiators surfaced, like how they were folding on the no of centrifuges that Iran cld keep etc…and they shared that info with…imagine that, the U.S. Congress :) what betrayal :) Also, because we were spying on Israel, we were able to tell that they were spying on the Iranians :) and WH leaking it all to the press is ok, but Israel informing the Congress about the WH’s shenanigans re: Iran deal – isn’t…you people are as much a bunch of imbeciles as you are downright insane…have at it.

jimver on March 24, 2015 at 2:33 PM

jimver on March 24, 2015 at 2:33 PM

I did read the whole thing, jizzer, I get it. So tell, me, did Israel share the intel with Congress, or with the Republicans in Congress? The article is unclear. Did Feinstein get a briefing? Manchin? They seem a little upset.

They knew the intervention would damage relations with the White House, Israeli officials said, but decided that was an acceptable cost.

The campaign may not have worked as well as hoped, Israeli officials now say, because it ended up alienating many congressional Democrats whose support Israel was counting on to block a deal.

Congressional aides and Israeli officials now say Israel’s coalition in Congress is short the votes needed to pass legislation that could overcome a presidential veto, although that could change.

I support Israel. I believe they should just bomb Iran if need be. I supported Cotton’s letter. I supported Netanyahu’s magnificent address to Congress.

This is just stupid.

you people are as much a bunch of imbeciles as you are downright insane…have at it.

Like I said, kiss my Semitic @ss.

Joseph K on March 24, 2015 at 2:45 PM

gekkobear on March 24, 2015 at 1:29 PM

The US congress(republicans to be exact) is acting on information STOLEN by a foreign government.
How is this not treason…

weedisgood on March 24, 2015 at 1:37 PM

The information came from Isr spying on Iranian diplos, imbecile, so, no it’s not ‘stollen’, it’s called fair game in the spying world…

jimver on March 24, 2015 at 2:46 PM

it’s “DEATH PANELS” all over again. But of course you didn’t learn anything from that so you’r making all the same mistakes.

Tlaloc on March 24, 2015 at 2:26 PM

Why do love death panels and hate babies?

Neitherleftorright on March 24, 2015 at 2:46 PM

weedisgood on March 24, 2015 at 1:37 PM

The information came from Isr spying on Iranian diplos, imbecile, so, no it’s not ‘stollen’, it’s called fair game in the spying world…

jimver on March 24, 2015 at 2:46 PM

He is too stoned to understand simple logic. Other than that weedisgood, is simply doing his best to stir up the HA nest and get some more choom for his trouble.

Neitherleftorright on March 24, 2015 at 2:49 PM

It is really a sad day in America when we applaud a foreign nation for spying on us.

weedisgood on March 24, 2015 at 1:22 PM

It is really a sad day in America when we learn

1) that we’ve been withholding vital infos towards an ally on a matter of life and death,

2) that they then had to spy on others (Iran) to discover what we were hiding to them and Congress,

3) and that we came across the fact that they knew more than we decided they should by spying on them.

Really a sad day.

BabyGrace on March 24, 2015 at 2:51 PM

Like I said, kiss my Semitic @ss.

Joseph K on March 24, 2015 at 2:45 PM

Yeah, mine is Semitic too, so kiss ur own, assuming u reached that level of contorsionism. And btw, genius, the Congress is controlled and led by Rs, it makes sense for the Israelis to relay that info to the heads of the 2 bodies, how the info circulated after it got into the hands of the GOP leader/s not clear, but no reason (based on that article) to infer that the Dems didn’t get briefings on it. Wait a day or two and u can bet ur Semitic azz that they got it, just as the other Reps did. But this is still part of the WH manufactured scandal hour, to deflect from the disastrous deal in the making.

jimver on March 24, 2015 at 2:56 PM

And btw, genius, the Congress is controlled and led by Rs,

jimver on March 24, 2015 at 2:56 PM

Since January. Was Harry Reid and the heads of the various committees getting briefings when the Dems controlled the Senate?

This is from the article you assumed I didn’t read:

Mr. Dermer started lobbying U.S. lawmakers just before the U.S. and other powers signed an interim agreement with Iran in November 2013. Mr. Netanyahu and Mr. Dermer went to Congress after seeing they had little influence on the White House.

This is especially important given that the House has no foreign policy role according to the Constitution.

Joseph K on March 24, 2015 at 3:06 PM

This administration would be covered in shame if they were capable of feeling it in the slightest, and humiliated if they had any sense of history whatsoever.

And… the clowns driving their clown car actually think they’re driving it somewhere. The keys cannot be taken away from this group of fools and their faux emperor soon enough.

IndieDogg on March 24, 2015 at 3:08 PM

The espionage didn’t upset the White House as much as Israel’s sharing of inside information with U.S. lawmakers….

Well, who can blame the WH for being upset? Now the U.S. Congress knows almost as much about the proposal as Russia and China do.

Barnestormer on March 24, 2015 at 3:20 PM

Make that four.

Bmore on March 24, 2015 at 3:45 PM

It’s also a sad day when the US Congress is treated like an enemy power and “Death To America” is treated like a respected ally

No, it is a good day since it clarifies so well that Obama is indeed an enemy.
.
Occam’s Razor

huntingmoose on March 24, 2015 at 3:54 PM

This is especially important given that the House has no foreign policy role according to the Constitution.

Joseph K on March 24, 2015 at 3:06 PM

Senate ratify nuclear deals in this cntry, genius, check the precedents. under any normal administration this deal would have fallen under the nuclear treaty category, that requires Senate ratification. just because the clowns in the WH twisted themselves in a variety of pretzel shapes to try make it sound as if it isn’t, just so to be able to wave the executive prerogative in our faces, doesn’t make it so. If ur shtick is to sing paeans for this loser WH, go ahead, be my guest, they’ll be gone in less than 2 years anyways, but don’t insult our intelligence pretending U give a shite about the Constitution. Oh, yeah, is it the executive prerogative to give blanket amnesty to illegals too, according to the Cosntitution?

jimver on March 24, 2015 at 4:17 PM

jimver on March 24, 2015 at 4:17 PM

Did you even read my post, jizzer?

My post was about how the House has no foreign policy role per the U.S. Constitution, and that the Senate, which does, was run by the Democrats until Jan. 2015.

Senate ratify nuclear deals in this cntry, genius,

Uh, got that part, genius.

So, again, given that a Dem-controlled Senate was responsible for “nuclear deals” as you put it, in 2013 and 2014 when the Israelis were briefing “Congress” on the talks, were they giving the Dems the same inside information that they were supposedly giving the R’s? Moreover, if they were, why didn’t Reid and company tip off the White House then?

Any clue there, Talleyrand?

Joseph K on March 24, 2015 at 4:35 PM

There is a big difference between the Israelis sharing information with “Congress”, a co-equal branch of government, and sharing it only with the opposition party within that branch. Moreover, as one of the wings of that branch, the House of Representatives, has no Constitutionally-delegated foreign policy role, there would be no justification for the Israelis to be speaking with any member of the House. That is why it is hysterical, and telling, that it is Boner who is running around today denying everything. Meanwhile, the tortoise is silent.

Joseph K on March 24, 2015 at 4:44 PM

Uh, got that part, genius.

So, again, given that a Dem-controlled Senate was responsible for “nuclear deals” as you put it, in 2013 and 2014 when the Israelis were briefing “Congress” on the talks, were they giving the Dems the same inside information that they were supposedly giving the R’s? Moreover, if they were, why didn’t Reid and company tip off the White House then?

Any clue there, Talleyrand?

Joseph K on March 24, 2015 at 4:35 PM

Right, Maimonides, so u have exactly 0 proof that Isr has relayed said info to Rs and not to the Ds, only ur conjectures, but insist on passing them around as ‘facts’, I get it. Also, re: ur q why didn’t Reid & comp didn’t tip off the WH then, how do u know he didn’t and that the WH knew about it all along, and only now they decided to leak/expose a confidential counter-intel operation (oh, so typical of this WH), to embarrass Bibi for daring winning the re-elex (despite all efforts material and otherwise by the this WH to unseat him). And since I mentioned it, tell us, wise one, leaking US confidential counter-intel op to the public out of spite, is also in the Constitution, or at least something that a U.S. administration does on a regular basis.

jimver on March 24, 2015 at 4:59 PM

There is a big difference between the Israelis sharing information with “Congress”, a co-equal branch of government, and sharing it only with the opposition party within that branch. Moreover, as one of the wings of that branch, the House of Representatives, has no Constitutionally-delegated foreign policy role, there would be no justification for the Israelis to be speaking with any member of the House. That is why it is hysterical, and telling, that it is Boner who is running around today denying everything. Meanwhile, the tortoise is silent.

Joseph K on March 24, 2015 at 4:44 PM

So what if Israel gave the information to the Republicans and not the democrats? I still believe that the Israelis gave the information about Obama treasonous deal to both parties to build a bi-partisan support against this deal… All this aside, what do this change from the most horrible fact about this most dangerous deal that traitor Obama is making with the islamic terrorist regime…

mnjg on March 24, 2015 at 5:05 PM

Co-equal does not mean having the same powers. Foreign policy is given to the president to oversee.

Tlaloc on March 24, 2015 at 1:50 PM

And congress has oversight power. The senate is responsible for ratifying treaties and the house is responsible for funding anyone getting paid for their diplomatic efforts on behalf of the US govt. Sure, the powers are different, but the executive is the only one trying to cut everyone else out of the process. Just because he’s successful doesn’t mean he should be.

Also, Israel did nothing wrong by obtaining intel from Iranians and passing it along to anyone they wanted to. The Iranians may have thought the stuff was classified, but that doesn’t apply to Israel or republicans in congress, or anyone else.

Your problem is that you’re butthurt over dems being cut out of the loop (and you don’t even know that they were, just more stupid speculation). I say good, how does it feel lefty?

runawayyyy on March 24, 2015 at 5:34 PM

runawayyyy on March 24, 2015 at 5:34 PM

U’re absolutely correct, needless to say I agree with every word you wrote there, but here’s what I think it is surreal, that the U.S. and Iran have become so close (the push was from this administration evidently) so that spying on one (Isr on Iran) reveals the ‘secrets’ of the other (U.S). To me this is beyond surreal, almost parallel universe kind of scenario.

jimver on March 24, 2015 at 6:42 PM

Are any of you folks who are so outraged about this even slightly unhappy about the President’s usurpation of Congress’ powers? Even a little bit?

GrumpyOldFart on March 24, 2015 at 8:50 PM

Are any of you folks who are so outraged about this even slightly unhappy about the President’s usurpation of Congress’ powers? Even a little bit?

GrumpyOldFart on March 24, 2015 at 8:50 P

That was exactly my q. Don’t remember, for instance these concerned trolls and staunch guardians of the Constitution too worried when the fraud in the WH decided to use his pen and declare amnesty by executive decree, for instance.

jimver on March 24, 2015 at 9:02 PM

And congress has oversight power. The senate is responsible for ratifying treaties and the house is responsible for funding anyone getting paid for their diplomatic efforts on behalf of the US govt. Sure, the powers are different, but the executive is the only one trying to cut everyone else out of the process. Just because he’s successful doesn’t mean he should be.

runawayyyy on March 24, 2015 at 5:34 PM

Except that’s BS. Congress has no role in the matter until presented with a treaty. Up until that point it is entirely the president’s show. So since we haven’t reached that point you cannot say he was cutting anyone out. There was nothing to cut since they had no legitimate stake in the matter.

Tlaloc on March 24, 2015 at 9:20 PM

Are any of you folks who are so outraged about this even slightly unhappy about the President’s usurpation of Congress’ powers? Even a little bit?

GrumpyOldFart on March 24, 2015 at 8:50 PM

And what usurpation would that be exactly?

See, just because you believe such a thing has happened doesn’t mean it has, in fact your belief in an event is inversely proportional to the likelihood said event actually occurred.

Tlaloc on March 24, 2015 at 9:23 PM

See, just because you believe such a thing has happened doesn’t mean it has, in fact your belief in an event is inversely proportional to the likelihood said event actually occurred.

Tlaloc on March 24, 2015 at 9:23 PM

Tell us again, Cultist, how Israel “sank” the USS Liberty in 1967, and we’ll take you half-vastly seriously. I’ve been trying to find proof of that happening on the Democrat Search engine Google for 48 hours now, and can’t find a single cite.

Oh, I know. The words “sank” and/or “sink” also have more than one definition? Should I “depose” you now, or should I “depose” you later?

SHOOO-

Del Dolemonte on March 24, 2015 at 10:44 PM

Except that’s BS. Congress has no role in the matter until presented with a treaty. Up until that point it is entirely the president’s show. So since we haven’t reached that point you cannot say he was cutting anyone out. There was nothing to cut since they had no legitimate stake in the matter.

Tlaloc on March 24, 2015 at 9:20 PM

Really? Read the actual Constitution:

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur;

So yes, the president makes treaties, but with the advice and consent of the Senate, which then has to agree by a two-thirds vote.

This president ignores the advice and consent of the Senate, and is trying to avoid getting approval from the Senate by refusing to call it a treaty. So he’s violating the Constitution on both points.

Reading Is Fundamental.

There Goes the Neighborhood on March 25, 2015 at 1:28 AM

And what usurpation would that be exactly?

Tlaloc on March 24, 2015 at 9:23 PM

Are you aware that a Congress exists, or if you are what its purpose may be?

Star Bird on March 25, 2015 at 8:03 AM

And what usurpation would that be exactly?

Tlaloc on March 24, 2015 at 9:23 PM

Are you aware that a Congress exists, or if you are what its purpose may be?

Star Bird on March 25, 2015 at 8:03 AM

Obama usurped power when he uses the EPA to regulate businesses and goes around congress. He also usurped power when he dismantled part of Clintons/Gop welfare reform bill when he dropped the workfare out of it. Congress didn’t lift a finger in outcry when this happened. Yes Obama does go around and would like to eliminate congress. Only a fool believes he cooperates with congress. Obama has had his way all of his life and if its not done his way than he ignores you. This is how how he deals with congress and the courts.

garydt on March 25, 2015 at 10:19 AM

And what usurpation would that be exactly?

Tlaloc on March 24, 2015 at 9:23 PM

Lolz!

Bmore on March 25, 2015 at 10:39 AM

Congress has to rely on a foreign intelligence service to find out what the Administration is up to?

morganfrost on March 25, 2015 at 11:59 AM

Most Transparent Administration Ever is pissed off that Israel told Congress the secrets Obama was keeping from it.

Socratease on March 25, 2015 at 12:38 PM

Thought experiment:
The US under president Ted Cruz is negotiating a delicate treaty with Russia. China spies on those negotiations and not liking what it’s hearing goes to democrats in congress and presents them with selected excerpts of the intelligence they gained in an obvious attempt to undercut the president and get congress to unconstitutionally interfere with the president’s foreign policy purview.

That’s totally cool, right? Or did swapping russia-iran, obama-cruz, israel-china somehow alter your view of the matter?

Tlaloc on March 24, 2015 at 1:49 PM

You’re missing the most obvious thing here, Tlaloc. Israel has shared interests and is an important ally of the United States. China is not.

GEAH on March 25, 2015 at 1:31 PM

weedisgood on March 24, 2015 at 1:22 PM

You should view it as spying on Iran.

Cindy Munford on March 26, 2015 at 11:40 AM