Should Jim Baker be drummed out of the GOP over his position on Israel?

posted at 5:21 pm on March 24, 2015 by Noah Rothman

In the modern age of opinion blogging, in which nothing is so highly valued as steadfast certainty and strength of conviction, to confess skepticism and hesitancy in drawing a firm conclusion about any given subject is nothing short of a cardinal sin. You’ll forgive me then for admitting that I’m unprepared to render a judgment on former Secretary of State James Baker. I am a flawed vessel.

The Obama administration has embraced the despicable project of delegitimizing the elected Israeli government over a deeply personal dispute between President Barack Obama and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and Republicans have largely and admirably objected to the administration’s treatment of America’s longstanding ally in the Middle East. But not every Republican is so unflinchingly supportive of the Israeli position.

On Monday, the former chief diplomat for the George H. W. Bush administration expressed his deep dissatisfaction with the Likud-led government of Israel and Netanyahu, in particular. “Frankly, I have been disappointed with the lack of progress regarding a lasting peace — and I have been for some time,” Baker said, denouncing the “diplomatic missteps and political gamesmanship” of Netanyahu’s government. “[I]n the aftermath of Netanyahu’s recent election victory, the chance of a two-state solution seems even slimmer, given his reversal on the issue.”

Baker said while Netanyahu has said he’s for peace, “his actions have not matched his rhetoric.”

“Although Netanyahu and his right-and-center coalition may oppose a two-state solution, a land-for-peace approach has long been supported by a substantial portion of the Israeli body politic, by every American [administration] since 1967 — Republican and Democratic alike — and a vast majority of nations around the world,” Baker said.

Baker is buying into a misconception about Netanyahu’s comments regarding the viability of a two-state solution given the conditions that prevail presently in Gaza and the West Bank, not to mention the Arab World more broadly. It is an intentional misapprehension, in fact, and one that has permitted the White House to threaten Israel with the full wrath of the United Nations; an institution that serves no greater purpose than cutting the Jewish State down to size.

Baker made those comments to wild applause at an event for what even Politico describes as the “left-leaning Israeli advocacy group J Street.” If Baker is trying to communicate a message of tough love for Israel, the love was nowhere to be found.

This was the policy of Bush 41’s administration, and it’s not necessarily out of character for Baker to make these comments given his prior statements about the Jewish state. Baker has long advocated the creation of two states, and he adheres to an interpretation of Middle Eastern politics that submits the region won’t know peace until the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is resolved. Slightly more inflammatory are comments Baker is alleged to have made in private decades ago that the GOP should be happy to “f*** the Jews; they didn’t vote for us anyway.”

More substantively, the George H. W. Bush administration’s pro-Arab tilt yielded few lasting achievements. As a result of GHWB’s approach to issues involving Middle East peace, the American Jewish community was deeply suspicious of how George W. Bush would approach the peace process. More specifically, they were afraid that Bush 43 would abandon the effort to secure a lasting solution to the vexing problems of the Palestinian territories that had so stung his father. They were proven incorrect on that assumption, but George W. Bush’s efforts to again light a fire under the peace process were as fruitless as his father’s.

So, yes, James Baker is seriously out of step with the rest of his party on the issue of Israel. Republicans have grown more protective of Israel over the years as Democrats have become more contemptuous of that Middle Eastern democracy. Jeb Bush has already dispatched his campaign spokespeople to put out the fires of controversy ignited by Baker’s J Street comments, and there is no question that the former secretary of state is a liability for the former Florida governor as he seeks to augment his appeal to conservatives. But does that mean that Baker should be drummed out of the party to which he has devoted his life? I’m so not sure.

While Baker’s achievements on the Middle East peace front are suspect, his accomplishments in securing peace in Eastern Europe are beyond laudable. It was Baker’s State Department that facilitated the collapse of communism in Eastern Europe. When the Iron Curtin was crumbling across the continent, it was the agency Baker led that advocated restraint and gradualism, which likely prevented a repeat of the Soviet invasions of Warsaw Pact member nations like those in 1956 and 1968. It was Baker who, along with his Soviet counterpart, Eduard Shevardnadze, helped to negotiate a soft landing for the Soviet Union at a particularly productive meeting in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, that helped precipitate country’s dissolution.

The Cold War did not have to end peacefully. German reunification was not an act of God nor a preordained inevitability. These were managed feats, engineered by the members of the Bush administration and including James Baker. In his memoirs from the period, former National Security Council Director for European Affairs Robert Hutchings describes the grueling and at times fraught diplomatic landscape that typified the end of the Cold War, and the reactionary forces on both sides of the East-West divide that opposed gradualism. Had the Baker wing failed to win the policy arguments of the day, a more rash approach to speeding the collapse of communism in Europe might have spiraled beyond policymakers’ control. Indeed, Baker sparked controversy when he appeared to support Soviet intervention on the side of the pro-democracy forces in Romania and against the violent and collapsing Ceausescu regime. Many saw this as a policy designed to legitimize America’s own interventions against communist regimes in Latin America. It was also, however, this kind of apparent deference to the Soviet position that allowed the pro-democracy forces inside the USSR the space they needed to redraft the Union treaty and usher in the decomposition of the Evil Empire.

Surely, Baker’s role as a statesman is not free of blemishes. He is, like any other man, a complex figure and one with a legacy that is perfectly up for debate. But Baker’s artless comments about Israel, however condemnable they may be, do not overshadow his achievements as a diplomat. James Baker’s role in ending America’s longest and most dangerous conflict peacefully is commendable. The former secretary of state helped consign one of the most grotesque regimes the world has ever known to the dustbin of history, and it would unjust for the GOP to condemn him to the same fate merely over a tasteless speech the elder statement delivered on the talking circuit.


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“Fu*k the Jews; they didn’t vote for us anyway” — Baker

Schadenfreude on March 24, 2015 at 5:22 PM

Should Jim Baker be drummed out of the GOP over his position on Israel?

Not at long as he damages Jeb Bush’s chances.

jake-the-goose on March 24, 2015 at 5:23 PM

“Frankly, I have been disappointed with the lack of progress regarding a lasting peace — and I have been for some time,”

I’m willing to write off anyone that is waiting around for “lasting peace” in the Middle East.

chris0christies0donut on March 24, 2015 at 5:24 PM

“Although Netanyahu and his right-and-center coalition may oppose a two-state solution, a land-for-peace approach has long been supported by a substantial portion of the Israeli body politic, by every American [administration] since 1967 — Republican and Democratic alike — and a vast majority of nations around the world,” Baker said.

And look at the results.

chris0christies0donut on March 24, 2015 at 5:25 PM

“Frankly, I have been disappointed with the lack of progress regarding a lasting peace — and I have been for some time,”

Yep – the past several thousand years have been exhausting

jake-the-goose on March 24, 2015 at 5:27 PM

Old legacy Jew hater in the Republican party. The natural home of Jew haters today is the Obama led Democrat party.

Franklin100 on March 24, 2015 at 5:28 PM

Sorry JB, you’re obsolete.

bernzright777 on March 24, 2015 at 5:28 PM

Yes, Baker and Jeb Bush should be drummed out of the party.

The fact that Jeb Bush sent James Baker (his foreign policy adviser) to the J Street gala to attack Netanyahu and Israel, should disqualify him from running for the GOP nomination.

Pork-Chop on March 24, 2015 at 5:29 PM

Baker is disappointed by the Netanyahu govt for lack of lasting peace??!!!

How many rockets are launched daily at Israel from Palistinian locations?

It is difficult to negotiate with wild-eyed butchers belonging to a anti-Semitic death cult.

Baker failed to lay blame with the real problem in the Middle East, blind fool!

kpguru on March 24, 2015 at 5:31 PM

Oh good heavens, is a Republican adopting the worldview of the progressives suddenly a disqualifier for being in the GOP? It would be the very first time…

(Noah, please write this on a Post-it and put it on your laptop screen:Republican ≠ conservative.)

Dolce Far Niente on March 24, 2015 at 5:32 PM

Will he support Ted Cruz?

jake-the-goose on March 24, 2015 at 5:27 PM

Heh.

davidk on March 24, 2015 at 5:33 PM

Another hasbeen RINO. Sit down and shut up.

hardrock230 on March 24, 2015 at 5:33 PM

Should Jim Baker be drummed out of the GOP over his position on Israel?

Not at long as he damages Jeb Bush’s chances.

jake-the-goose on March 24, 2015 at 5:23 PM

Exactly what I was thinking. :)

Aizen on March 24, 2015 at 5:37 PM

He should probably just retire. Jeb too.

RovesChins on March 24, 2015 at 5:37 PM

No… But he certainly shouldn’t be brought in as a foreign policy advisor on a serious presidential campaign

phreshone on March 24, 2015 at 5:38 PM

Baker made those comments to wild applause at an event for what even Politico describes as the “left-leaning Israeli advocacy group J Street.” If Baker is trying to communicate a message of tough love for Israel, the love was nowhere to be found.

I don’t know why it’s always assumed in politics that support for Israel must equate to winning ‘Jewish voters’, or vice-versa. Liberal Jews are liberals first, Democrats second, whatever else after that, and Americans last. It’s not hard to grasp.

Aizen on March 24, 2015 at 5:39 PM

Jeb too.

RovesChins on March 24, 2015 at 5:37 PM

Jeb is too busy losing a primary.

chris0christies0donut on March 24, 2015 at 5:42 PM

IIRC, General Petraeus also has a similar problem.

butch on March 24, 2015 at 5:43 PM

Better question: Should Conservatives abandon the GOP?

Al-Ozarka on March 24, 2015 at 5:43 PM

He should probably just retire. Jeb too.

RovesChins on March 24, 2015 at 5:37 PM

Jeb too? How does someone retire from royalty?

Aizen on March 24, 2015 at 5:44 PM

Should Jim Baker be drummed out of the GOP over his position on Israel?

No, just have him sit in the corner with Liz Mair.

TheMadHessian on March 24, 2015 at 5:46 PM

No. The Republican Party cannot turn itself into a solely “Israel-First” party. Baker can say whatever he wants. After his masterful work winning the Florida recount in 2000, he has earned that respect from all Republicans IMO.

The issue I have with Jim Baker is his closeness to the Saudi royal family. I always felt he was carrying water for them. He was so brilliant in other areas of the world where he had no personal dog in the fight, so his hardline stance on Israel seems out of place. The Saudi princes have always pretended to be the “champion of the Palestinians” to help maintain their popularity in their own country. Baker was all too willing to accommodate that.

rockmom on March 24, 2015 at 5:48 PM

Yes, Baker and Jeb Bush should be drummed out of the party.

The fact that Jeb Bush sent James Baker (his foreign policy adviser) to the J Street gala to attack Netanyahu and Israel, should disqualify him from running for the GOP nomination.

Pork-Chop on March 24, 2015 at 5:29 PM

Disagree with your first statement, but I’m with you on the second. Very bad move by Jeb and another huge strike against him in my book. Especially because it gives aid and comfort to Obama as he sells Israel down the river.

rockmom on March 24, 2015 at 5:50 PM

It is really disappointing that the only time the GOP is willing to stand up and fight the democrats, is for the sake of another country. On every other issue, they roll over. But for Israel, they suddenly decide to have steely resolve.

HugoDrax on March 24, 2015 at 5:50 PM

If you’re disappointed at the lack of peace in the middle east, look no farther than the Palestinian authority and Hamas.

gryphon202 on March 24, 2015 at 5:51 PM

a land-for-peace approach has long been supported by a substantial portion of the Israeli body politic, by every American [administration] since 1967

Precisely, dumbass.

If it was a “land-for-peace” problem, not only it would have been solved long ago, but you wouldn’t have any explanation for the conflict raging between 1948 and 1967 (no less than three wars)

Effing idiot.

BabyGrace on March 24, 2015 at 5:52 PM

I am a flawed vessel.

I suppose that’s one way of looking at it.

gryphon202 on March 24, 2015 at 5:53 PM

You’ll forgive me then for admitting that I’m unprepared to render a judgment on former Secretary of State James Baker. I am a flawed vessel.

You just happen to agree with him.

RickB on March 24, 2015 at 5:53 PM

I’m willing to give Baker credit for how the Cold War wound down peacefully, but Rothman gives him too much.

George Bush himself was the indispensable man, not Jim Baker. And Brent Scowcroft had an awful lot to do with it. As did a host of foreign leaders like Helmut Kohl to name just one.

In short, there are a lot of names I associate with the Berlin Wall coming down and the largely peaceful transition of Europe as the Soviet Union unraveled. Baker is among them, but not in the top 5. And I’m not even counting Soviets.

hamiltmc on March 24, 2015 at 5:54 PM

It is really disappointing that the only time the GOP is willing to stand up and fight the democrats, is for the sake of another country. On every other issue, they roll over. But for Israel, they suddenly decide to have steely resolve.

HugoDrax on March 24, 2015 at 5:50 PM

When did this ever happen? Both Bush admins and Reagan’s admin very pretty punishing on Israel. Nowadays Bibi is used by GOP because he’s popular with the conservative crowds, but Republican administration is back in place it will be laden with Bakers and other Israel haters.

Masih ad-Dajjal on March 24, 2015 at 5:55 PM

Yes he should. Dessension will Not be tolerated.

As James Baker is leaving the party throw tar and feathers on him to send out the message that all that don’t toe the line on Israel will pay the ultimate price. Excommunication.

coolrepublica on March 24, 2015 at 5:56 PM

Jimmy Carter gets to play his Camp David card when he pimps Hamas. They just don’t know when to leave.

cbenoistd on March 24, 2015 at 5:57 PM

And to say that Netanyahu and Likud are against a two-state solution is grossly oversimplifying the problem and what’s at stake. Bibi has come out against anything that compromises Israel’s security. And that is one aspect in which he has been proven right, time and again.

As the late Golda Meir said,

Peace will come when the Arabs love their children more than they hate us.

gryphon202 on March 24, 2015 at 5:57 PM

and he adheres to an interpretation of Middle Eastern politics that submits the region won’t know peace until the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is resolved.

Which won’t happen until the Palestinians accept Israel’s right to permanently exist.

rbj on March 24, 2015 at 5:59 PM

Once again, the GOP shows that cares more about Israel than the US. Anything less than 100% servility to Israel is grounds for being drummed out of the Republican Party. Anyone here doubts me? Ask yourself the following questions

1. Would any member of the GOP be drummed out of the party for being for gay marriage?

2. Would any member of the GOP be drummed out of the party for being for abortion?

3. Would any member of the GOP be drummed out of the party for being for amnesty?

4. Would any member of the GOP be drummed out of the party for being for higher taxes?

5. Would any member of the GOP be drummed out of the party for being for government healthcare?

6. Would any member of the GOP be drummed out of the party for being for carbon taxes?

The answer to all of the above is ‘no.’ Things that affect the day to day lives of Americans don’t matter. The only thing that matters is Israel.

antifederalist on March 24, 2015 at 6:02 PM

Press conference I’d like to see-

“I deeply regret hiring Jim Baker, whose comments I could not disagree with more.

Not only am I letting him go from my team, after lots of thought and consideration I have decided to end my presidential campaign, as of today, March 24th.

I want to spare myself the humiliation that would accompany my inevitable defeat.

Clearly, the American people do not want me to run, and I apologize greatly to them for putting them through this ordeal.

I am particularly sorry to the conservatives of this great country, whom I have offended greatly with my many asinine and foolish comments that have brought immense shame and disgrace upon me.

To my many generous and clueless donors, your checks are in the mail”

— James Ellis Bush

Redstone on March 24, 2015 at 6:03 PM

Seems to me that Baker is your standard white senior citizen GOP politician. Certainly not much of a conservative but at this point the two terms aren’t often that close

katiejane on March 24, 2015 at 6:03 PM

God will fire Baker and use real fire.

Billy Graham used to tell every president that no matter what they did, Israel must be defended. The United States is leading the world in wiping Israel off the map.

A heavy price will be paid.

Valiant on March 24, 2015 at 6:04 PM

Gaza is the canary in the coal mine. I don’t see how anyone can ignore that.

butch on March 24, 2015 at 6:04 PM

and he adheres to an interpretation of Middle Eastern politics that submits the region won’t know peace until the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is resolved.

Which won’t happen until the Palestinians accept Israel’s right to permanently exist.

rbj on March 24, 2015 at 5:59 PM

What some call “an interpretation of Middle Eastern Politics,” I call the settled truth.

gryphon202 on March 24, 2015 at 6:05 PM

John, not James.

Redstone on March 24, 2015 at 6:05 PM

God will fire Baker and use real fire.

Valiant on March 24, 2015 at 6:04 PM

Got any scripture to back this up?

antifederalist on March 24, 2015 at 6:05 PM

How do you “drum” someone out of the GOP? Asking for a friend who has some others in mind.

d1carter on March 24, 2015 at 6:05 PM

Yes he should. Dessension will Not be tolerated.

coolrepublica on March 24, 2015 at 5:56 PM

Speak English.

Schadenfreude on March 24, 2015 at 6:06 PM

I have never been a fan of Baker and I am sorry to hear he is back discussing Middle East Politics. The Bush family has never been too supportive of Israel due in large part to their oil ties with Saudia Arabia. The recent Bush wasn’t too bad on Israel but I don’t trust the Bush family at all. The only difference now is that Saudi Arabia and Israel seem to have mutual interests that supersede oil issues. Other than Cruz, most of the current GOP candidates have a chance of beating Hillary and she is going to be between a rock and a hard place on Middle East issues. I suspect Obama has cost some Jewish support but it won’t be more than 10-15% which might be enough for a state like Florida. There won’t be a massive migration by Jewish voters to the GOP (as what happened in Canada years ago when almost all Jews switched to the Conservative Harper) until the Democratic Party completely abandons Israel by its loudest activists and party platform but there will be some movement as long as the GOP candidate isn’t a hard right social conservative. Economic conservatism doesn’t bother Jewish voters. It’s the social issues that have caused many to remain Democrats.

jake22 on March 24, 2015 at 6:07 PM

Nice post, Noah.

Perhaps the best you’ve done, from my perspective.

My opinion, along with $4.95, will get a Venti soy mocha latte Frappochino and a discussion on race, at Starbucks.

Enjoy.

Grinch on March 24, 2015 at 6:07 PM

The former secretary of state helped consign one of the most grotesque regimes the world has ever known to the dustbin of history, and it would unjust for the GOP to condemn him to the same fate merely over a tasteless speech the elder statement delivered on the talking circuit.

Russia is far from being free of its authoritarian past, as evidence, Vlad Putin, so it’s too early to say the Soviet Union won’t make a comeback. Baker is an authoritarian himself, a RINO and an ignoramus. Giving Palestinians a homeland will make Israel less than safe than it already is, compounding Islamic aggression.

rickv404 on March 24, 2015 at 6:09 PM

Israel is an ally but we de don’t need to follow them blindly. Disagreements with other governments over policy is not the end of an friendship.

EVSCBT on March 24, 2015 at 6:10 PM

I never liked Baker. He was forced on Reagan. He was also against German reunification. Always on wrong side of history in pursuit of the new world order

AH_C on March 24, 2015 at 6:11 PM

Israel is an ally but we de don’t need to follow them blindly. Disagreements with other governments over policy is not the end of an friendship.

EVSCBT on March 24, 2015 at 6:10 PM

I think that interfering with a foreign election goes well beyond the boundaries of following blindly.

gryphon202 on March 24, 2015 at 6:13 PM

I never liked Baker. He was forced on Reagan. He was also against German reunification. Always on wrong side of history in pursuit of the new world order

AH_C on March 24, 2015 at 6:11 PM

There’s something to be said for that kind of advice. Just do the opposite.

gryphon202 on March 24, 2015 at 6:14 PM

Not at long as he damages Jeb Bush’s chances.

jake-the-goose on March 24, 2015 at 5:23 PM

Yep, share it widely.

Jeb Bush hires anti-Israel loons.

mudskipper on March 24, 2015 at 6:14 PM

Should Jim Baker Jeb Bush be drummed out of the GOP over his position on Israel, among many, many other things?

The answer is yes

Redstone on March 24, 2015 at 6:14 PM

Ridiculous proposition. Also, most of our allies agree with Baker. So by proxy we should drum all supporters of the UK out of the GOP because of their stance on Israel.

I can’t stand when Israel gets super special treatment. They are a foreign country not a state.

Representation without taxation.

swamp_yankee on March 24, 2015 at 6:15 PM

Jim Baker must be Baptist.

portlandon on March 24, 2015 at 6:22 PM

Ridiculous proposition. Also, most of our allies agree with Baker.

swamp_yankee on March 24, 2015 at 6:15 PM

Why is that exactly?

1) Because they’re dependent on filthy blood-soaked oil.

2) Individual politicians are getting backhanders from those same Arab countries.

3) They’re concerned about certain “youths” rioting.

4) They’re playing an immoral numbers game, figuring it’s safer to side with 1.6 billion Muslims than 15 million Jews.

Israel’s land mass is less than 1% of the Middle East, carving a new Islamist state out of that 1% will not result in peace. So there are no legitimate reasons to support the establishment of “Palestine.”

mudskipper on March 24, 2015 at 6:30 PM

Ridiculous proposition. Also, most of our allies agree with Baker. So by proxy we should drum all supporters of the UK out of the GOP because of their stance on Israel.

I can’t stand when Israel gets super special treatment. They are a foreign country not a state.

Representation without taxation.

swamp_yankee on March 24, 2015 at 6:15 PM

According to most people here and evangelicals, Israel is not a state or foreign country. It is a divine entity that is subject to religious veneration. Many of these people see themselves as godly when they are not. They are pagans. They don’t want to worship God, whom we cannot see or hear, which requires real faith. They want something earthly to worship. Hence the modern secular state of Israel and to a lesser degree the Jewish people, which they can see and hear, are treated as a golden calf. Evangelicals have corrupted their own religion in order accommodate their pagan worship. John Hagee reinterpreted the entire Christian Bible by himself in order to make Christianity to fit with his cult pagan worship of Israel.

You will not have a logical discussion with these people.

antifederalist on March 24, 2015 at 6:36 PM

It is really disappointing that the only time the GOP is willing to stand up and fight the democrats, is for the sake of another country. On every other issue, they roll over. But for Israel, they suddenly decide to have steely resolve.

HugoDrax on March 24, 2015 at 5:50 PM

The GOP establishment speaks for its biggest donors typified by Sheldon Adelson who is pro amnesty, open borders, gay marriage, abortion and big government. Of course when it comes to Israel he advocates for a militarized border and strict controls on immigration.

Wigglesworth on March 24, 2015 at 6:42 PM

Yes he should. Dessension will Not be tolerated.

coolrepublica on March 24, 2015 at 5:56 PM

Speak English.

Schadenfreude on March 24, 2015 at 6:06 PM

Let me guess, you think I spelled it wrong and you are here to tell me the right way to spell it. No I don’t speak English, please help me. :-)

coolrepublica on March 24, 2015 at 6:43 PM

How do you “drum” someone out of the GOP? Asking for a friend who has some others in mind.

d1carter on March 24, 2015 at 6:05 PM

Light them on fire.

Bishop on March 24, 2015 at 6:43 PM

I support Israel because they’re scrappy little devils and I have a soft spot for scrappy little devils. Also I like Uzi’s.

Bishop on March 24, 2015 at 6:44 PM

Several things to note:

1 – It was not Bush who won the Cold War, but it was Reagan and Nixon who did all the hard stuff. Bush just happened to be in charge when the last gasp happened.

2 – Everyone, it seems, from the two Bush administrations are in the pockets of the Sunni Arabs, or should I say the Saudis and the other oil rich Arabs in the area.

William Eaton on March 24, 2015 at 6:47 PM

Baker’s diplomacy during the George H.W. Bush administration had two major successes: the breakup of the Soviet Union and freedom for eastern Europe; and the coalition to kick Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait. The first was ably prepared by President Reagan’s actions vis-a-vis Gorbachev, with the cooperation of Britain’s Margaret Thatcher, and the second by one of the few times the United Nations ever worked as it was intended.

Baker and Bush thought they could build on those successes by negotiating peace between Israel and the Palestinians, and they wasted much time and effort on that while the U.S. economy spun into recession, leading to the election of Bill Clinton.

But this is not a problem of Republican vs. Democrat. Neither Bill Clinton (D) nor George W. Bush (R) nor Obama (D) could negotiate peace with the Palestinians, for one major reason: the Palestinians don’t want peace, they want to push Israel into the sea.

Sure, Baker would like to see peace with the Palestinians–that was “his baby” in the early 1990’s. But he is wrong to blame Netanyahu, who has been trying to negotiate with the Palestinians for decades, and has now given up and resigned himself to defending his own country.

Baker may never succeed in negotiating peace between Israel and the Palestinians. But he should console himself by realizing that nobody else could either.

Steve Z on March 24, 2015 at 6:50 PM

he adheres to an interpretation of Middle Eastern politics that submits the region won’t know peace until the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is resolved.

That’s kind of close. The ME won’t know peace until it is ruled by an Islamic Caliphate.

DFCtomm on March 24, 2015 at 7:01 PM

ignore baker as most of us always have

dmacleo on March 24, 2015 at 7:04 PM

Should Jim Baker be drummed out of the GOP over his position on Israel?

Not at long as he damages Jeb Bush’s chances.

jake-the-goose on March 24, 2015 at 5:23 PM

Exactly what I was thinking. :)

Aizen on March 24, 2015 at 5:37 PM

Exactly what everybody is thinking :)

jimver on March 24, 2015 at 7:14 PM

“Should Jim Baker be drummed out of the GOP over his position on Israel?”

YES.

Next question, please.

Mike from NC on March 24, 2015 at 7:26 PM

4) They’re playing an immoral numbers game, figuring it’s safer to side with 1.6 billion Muslims than 15 million Jews

mudskipper on March 24, 2015 at 6:30 PM

But they aren’t even doing that, or if they do, their math is way off. This idiot in the WH is alligning himself w/ Iran at the expense of all the other Sunni Arab cntries in ther region (needles to tell you that Sunni Arabs by far outnumber the Shias) reason why all the other Arab Sunni countries in the region are pissed off at the WH and we are in the surreal situation now in which KSA, Egypt, Jordan are forming tacitly an alliance w/ Israel to fend off Iran’s influence in the region, so if anything this cretin managed the impossible, get a bunch of Arab cntries on the same page w/ Israel, (and apparently a bunch of the richest small Gulf countries are A willing to bankroll the efront!

jimver on March 24, 2015 at 7:27 PM

Bankroll the effort that is…

jimver on March 24, 2015 at 7:28 PM

God will fire Baker and use real fire.
Billy Graham used to tell every president that no matter what they did, Israel must be defended. The United States is leading the world in wiping Israel off the map.
A heavy price will be paid.
Valiant on March 24, 2015 at 6:04 PM

Allow me to recommend some books: Romans, Galatians, and Hebrews.

Akzed on March 24, 2015 at 7:39 PM

Bibi”s gotta be thinking….”I got your Scud, right here a$$clown – you lyin weasel Marxist-raised community organizer”

FlaMurph on March 24, 2015 at 7:39 PM

I support Israel because they’re scrappy little devils and I have a soft spot for scrappy little devils. Also I like Uzi’s. Bishop on March 24, 2015 at 6:44 PM

Hear, hear.

Akzed on March 24, 2015 at 7:40 PM

antifederalist on March 24, 2015 at 6:36 PM

Hear, hear.

Akzed on March 24, 2015 at 7:42 PM

Jim Baker must be Baptist. portlandon on March 24, 2015 at 6:22 PM

Huh? He’s not a fire-breathing Zionist.

Akzed on March 24, 2015 at 7:43 PM

So, yes, James Baker is seriously out of step with the rest of his party on the issue of Israel.

Can’t say that I really care.

Boehner and McConnell and how many others in the GOP are “out of step” with… and betray their own constituents? Which is worse?

Nobody voted for Baker…he’s Jeb’s problem.

lynncgb on March 24, 2015 at 7:45 PM

Ultimately Israel will be the one who gets rid of Iran’s nuclear capability after Iran flips off Obama and his stupid negotiations.

Cindy Munford on March 24, 2015 at 7:47 PM

I heard audio of Baker’s remarks. He’s an azz.

Cindy Munford on March 24, 2015 at 7:51 PM

Cindy Munford on March 24, 2015 at 7:47 PM

Don’t bet on it. The plan seems to be that 0b00ba keeps conceding, and Iran keeps trashing the US. If they came off as too appreciative, Iran would lose face and the US would look magnanimous. According to plan however, 0b00ba keeps caving, and Iran remains obstreperous and belligerent, looking strong to its target audience.

Akzed on March 24, 2015 at 7:54 PM

Anything less than 100% servility to Israel is grounds for being drummed out of the Republican Party.
antifederalist on March 24, 2015 at 6:02 PM

What are you basing that on?

Mimzey on March 24, 2015 at 7:54 PM

I believe the Fascist Democrat Party is now the official home of all anti-Semites.

VorDaj on March 24, 2015 at 8:08 PM

Anything less than 100% servility to Israel is grounds for being drummed out of the Republican Party.

antifederalist on March 24, 2015 at 6:02 PM

Thank you Valery Jarret for your input.

VorDaj on March 24, 2015 at 8:09 PM

Ultimately Israel will be the one who gets rid of Iran’s nuclear capability after Iran flips off Obama and his stupid negotiations.

Cindy Munford on March 24, 2015 at 7:47 PM

Nonsense. Iraq did not have a serious drive for a nuclear weapon until after Israel bombed Iraq’s reactor. US air during Gulf I were not even close to being as effective as UN inspections following the conflict.

lexhamfox on March 24, 2015 at 8:10 PM

What are you basing that on?

Mimzey on March 24, 2015 at 7:54 PM

Several passages in the Koran and a few in the Hamas charter.

VorDaj on March 24, 2015 at 8:11 PM

Bibi”s gotta be thinking….”I got your Scud, right here a$$clown – you lyin weasel Marxist-raised community organizer”

FlaMurph on March 24, 2015 at 7:39 PM

Esteban Obama: A little clumsy, are you not, my friend?

Zorro Netanyahu: To be your friend I would have to be more than clumsy. I would have to be stupid.

VorDaj on March 24, 2015 at 8:13 PM

Akzed on March 24, 2015 at 7:54 PM

In the end you don’t think that Israel will protect herself? This stays prominent in my mind.

Cindy Munford on March 24, 2015 at 8:28 PM

Baker was very good during the 2000 election recount, but other than that, “F*** him.”

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on March 24, 2015 at 9:01 PM

If you kick out Baker, you are going to have to kick out pretty much most of the GOP’s Secs of Defense and Secs of State from the beginning of time who all say pretty much the same thing.

lexhamfox on March 24, 2015 at 9:02 PM

Apparently, not prostrating oneself before Israel is reason to be drummed out. Now bring on the asinine “anti-Semite” allegations…

iwasbornwithit on March 24, 2015 at 9:08 PM

Gaza is the canary in the coal mine. I don’t see how anyone can ignore that.

butch on March 24, 2015 at 6:04 PM

They can’t. Anyone still arguing for a “Middle East peace process” is either too dumb to comment on politics or actively hoping for Israel’s extermination.

Apparently, not prostrating oneself before Israel is reason to be drummed out. Now bring on the asinine “anti-Semite” allegations…

iwasbornwithit on March 24, 2015 at 9:08 PM

Who here is demanding Baker “prostrate himself before Israel?” No one is remotely making this argument. Is it too much to ask that Bush and his witless minions take even one position in tune with his base?

Doomberg on March 24, 2015 at 9:55 PM

I think Baker’s F the Jews comment was about American Jews, not Israelis.

MaxMBJ on March 25, 2015 at 12:38 AM

Clearly Baker is in the late stages of dementia. He actually thinks Muslims want peace with Israel. Baker… proof that some elders missed receiving the wisdom part of old age.

dominigan on March 25, 2015 at 9:00 AM

lexhamfox on March 24, 2015 at 9:02 PM

OH NO!!!!! Time have changed. Crazy shouldn’t have nuclear weapons.

Cindy Munford on March 25, 2015 at 10:06 AM

He is old news,and quite frankly,irrelevant. Yawn.

redware on March 25, 2015 at 12:29 PM