Watch: CNN’ers having a hard time coming to terms with implosion of Rolling Stone’s rape story

posted at 6:41 pm on March 23, 2015 by Noah Rothman

Months after a platoon of journalists went to work dismantling the now discredited tale involving a gang rape initiation at a University of Virginia fraternity spun by Rolling Stone reporter Sabrina Erdely, the Charlottesville Police Department has buried that story for good.

In a press conference on Monday, an officer with the Charlottesville PD was careful to note that his department could not prove that the person identified only as “Jackie” was not abused. He added that there is no statute of limitations preventing the future prosecution of anyone who was involved in her alleged attack. He could not, however, corroborate any of the claims in that inflammatory report. Moreover, the notion that there was a “rape culture” on that university’s campus was equally groundless.

For virtually everyone who observed how this story unfolded – from earth-shattering revelation, to wild overreaction leading to the media’s indictment of virtually all fraternity life, to the story’s retraction and the humiliation of those who advanced this false narrative – today’s press conference was the conclusion of a tragic episode that reflected poorly on all involved. That was not the case for CNN, however, where it appears that some believe that accusations of rape are both unfalsifiable and irrefutable.

The majority of this segment was spent issuing important caveats regarding how alleged rape victims both remember and report their stories to police. That is, of course, when they don’t determine that it would be less painful to just keep that traumatic experience to themselves.

That’s not an invalid or perfunctory point to make, but it was also made and made again ad infinitum when Rolling Stone’s story was being audited by reporters. The issue here is not that “Jackie” misremembered or embellished some of the minor details of her ordeal. The point of contention is that she apparently fabricated her story from whole cloth. What’s worse, Erdely did none of the diligence required of her as a reporter and simply reprinted “Jackie’s” fabulist allegations, many of which were so absurd (sexual assault on a pile of broken glass, to think of just one) that it was nothing short of malpractice to publish them without first securing independent confirmation.

For CNN contributor Sunny Hostin, what is really important in this case is the Greater Cosmic Truth that exists independent of objective truth. She found it next to impossible to abandon the preconception to which she declared unflinching fealty all those months ago.

Hostin began her apologia for Erdely’s sources by observing accurately that sexual assault victims can refuse to cooperate with police investigators for a number of reasons. “They can’t deal with the probing that occurs,” she said. “They don’t want to submit to a rape kit. They’re embarrassed. They know that they will be scrutinized, quite frankly.”

“That in and of itself doesn’t make this young woman a liar,” Hostin added. Again, she’s not wrong from a 30,000 foot perspective, but we’re not talking about an abstract figure that represents all rape victims. This was a real person whose claims were subject to intense scrutiny by national news organizations, countless journalists, and a forensic police investigation. All of them came up with precisely nothing to corroborate “Jackie’s” claims. Hostin is hiding behind a theoretical rape victim to avoid confronting the fact that this real person abused the trust of the nation. Too many have become terrified of litigating the facts of any rape allegation precisely for fear of being accused of shaming the alleged victim by reactionaries like Hostin.

Apparently free from guilt, the CNN contributor went on to clarify that she is emotionally invested in the narrative involving “Jackie’s” sexual assault. “If you look at the FBI statistics, only about 2 percent of rapes that are reported are false,” Hostin said of the admittedly “squishy” police statistics on rape. “So, the suggestion that she just sort of made this entire thing up flies in the face of the statistics. Women generally do not falsely report rape.”

CNN reporter Sara Ganim agreed with one of Hostin’s conclusions centered on her fear that “Jackie’s” experience might lead other victims of sexual assault to stay quiet about their experiences. When too many women who are victims of sexual assault already refuse to come forward, her concerns are valid and should be shared by everyone. But if “Jackie’s” story makes some alleged assault victims refuse to come forward, who is to blame? The university that stripped fraternities of the right to operate on campus in the wake of this story, only to backtrack when the tale was proven inaccurate? The police, who diligently investigated this assault and found no evidence to back up Rolling Stone’s claims? The reporters and editors who shed their journalistic instincts and reported on this erroneous tale? Or the subject of this supposed assault that caused a lot of undue pain and hardship for some unknown gain?

The only victims in this story were the men who were falsely accused of assault and had their lives turned upside down over nothing. To refuse to acknowledge that “Jackie” caused a lot of people undue trauma is the only thing that remotely constitutes “victim blaming” here.

For most people, the response to today’s press conference by Charlottesville police is to react with sadness over the plight of those young men who had their names besmirched. They endured quite a bit of unnecessary suffering for the sake of a dubious victimization narrative favored by some grossly irresponsible voices in the media. The UVA rape fable reflects poorly on many in the press, and it would be wise of these and other commentators to bury their pride, acknowledge the mistakes, and stop the bleeding.


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I’ve heard it said a couple of times on the radio today that even though this didn’t happen, “something” happened that night.

Pretty sure there’s *zero* evidence of that, though.

#reporting

Lance Corvette on March 23, 2015 at 6:45 PM

Have all those Duke professors that indicted, judged, and executed those three lacrosse players ever apologize? Did they lose their jobs?

RovesChins on March 23, 2015 at 6:47 PM

Hands up blah blah blah….some stories are just too useful…true or not.

CW on March 23, 2015 at 6:48 PM

Watch: CNN’ers having a hard time coming to terms with implosion of Rolling Stone’s rape story Truth, justice, reality.

S. D. on March 23, 2015 at 6:48 PM

Harry Cadaver is a pedophile, simply because no children have yet come forward can’t obscure the larger truth that liberals support a culture of pedophilia and the demorat politicians who engage in it.

Bishop on March 23, 2015 at 6:53 PM

Useful Idiots tend to believe useful lies…

Bruno Strozek on March 23, 2015 at 6:55 PM

But some of the the guys probably wanted to gang rape somebody, being randy college boys, so the truth is not as clear cut as the facts might suggest.”

profitsbeard on March 23, 2015 at 6:57 PM

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/uva-campus-sexual-assault-allegations/

Charlottesville, VA, US
2h
University of Virginia’s Phi Kappa Psi says it is ‘exploring its legal options to address the extensive damage caused by Rolling Stone’ – @ABC
Read more on abcnews.go.com
==========================

UVA campus sexual assault allegations
12m
Police not closing investigation into University of Virginia sexual assault case on chance new evidence arises; lack of evidence ‘doesn’t mean something terrible didn’t happen’
End of alert

UVA campus sexual assault allegations
17m
Police suspend investigation into University of Virginia sexual assault allegations detailed in Rolling Stone, citing lack of evidence
End of alert

UVA campus sexual assault allegations
25m
Police: Investigation found no evidence of a fraternity party on night of alleged sexual assault at University of Virginia detailed in Rolling Stone article
End of alert

UVA campus sexual assault allegations
26m
More: Police say woman identified as ‘Jackie’ refused to give statement to investigator after Rolling Stone article on University of Virginia sexual assault – @WDBJ7
End of alert

UVA campus sexual assault allegations
29m
Police: Roommate denied picking glass from face of woman identified as ‘Jackie’ after alleged sexual assault at University of Virginia – @WDBJ7
End of alert

canopfor on March 23, 2015 at 2:40 PM

canopfor on March 23, 2015 at 6:58 PM

False!

41% of all reported rapes are complete fabrications, according to the only study that the FBI has done on the subject. That 2% number was simply a statement made by a political activist.

Flyovercountry on March 23, 2015 at 6:59 PM

“If you look at the FBI statistics, only about 2 percent of rapes that are reported are false,” Hostin said of the admittedly “squishy” police statistics on rape. “So, the suggestion that she just sort of made this entire thing up flies in the face of the statistics.

Well, somebody has to be in the 2%, right brainwave? When an airliner crashes it flies in the face of statistics. Does that mean it didn’t crash?

RadClown on March 23, 2015 at 7:04 PM

CNN just now was more positive on Ted Cruz than the Fox News crew on Bret Brier show.

Kruthmer went all Cruz has no experience just like Obama.

Sad act.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on March 23, 2015 at 7:04 PM

Once the left makes up the lie, it becomes their fantasy world. You ever realize how hard it is to try to tell someone — much less convince them! — that they’re living in a complete fantasy universe? In the fantasies of these lib women, men are evil scumbags who are raping young women every single day.

Aizen on March 23, 2015 at 7:05 PM

and it would be wise of these and other commentators to bury their pride, acknowledge the mistakes, and stop the bleeding.

Once again: fat chance.

Mike from NC on March 23, 2015 at 7:05 PM

Nice balanced panel.

As usual.

Hucklebuck on March 23, 2015 at 7:08 PM

“CNN: Where we offer the full spectrum of opinion, from Left to Far Left.”

Hucklebuck on March 23, 2015 at 7:09 PM

They aren’t going to let facts get in the way of the Narrative.

rbj on March 23, 2015 at 7:10 PM

At 1:21, the host says that there’s a rape/sexual assault problem on college campuses. Hasn’t that been debunked? If so, the host needs to go to any campus where it actually is a problem.

BuckeyeSam on March 23, 2015 at 7:12 PM

It’s true, just not true true.

“Women generally do not falsely report rape, unless of course the perp was Bill Clinton.” -Sunny Hostin

Akzed on March 23, 2015 at 7:13 PM

As punishment for her false accusations, “Jackie” should be sentenced to play goalie for the UVA lacrosse team against Duke.

Steve Z on March 23, 2015 at 7:13 PM

Didn’t Matt Taibi (sp) from Rolling Stone say his mag got that story wrong on Larry Wilmore’s show?

guido911 on March 23, 2015 at 7:14 PM

They aren’t going to let facts get in the way of the Narrative.

rbj on March 23, 2015 at 7:10 PM

C’mon, as the first guest said, like real rape victims, this false accuser is changing her story. Right? Right?

I like the emphasis on the point that the cops “aren’t closing the case.” As long as they can come up with some cockamamie accusation in 20 years, there’s a rape crisis on college campuses.

BuckeyeSam on March 23, 2015 at 7:16 PM

“Fake but accurate”…There should be some sort of Dan Rather award.

bluesdoc70 on March 23, 2015 at 7:17 PM

Now, on this X percent of women who don’t report a rape; just exactly where do they go to not report it?

whatcat on March 23, 2015 at 7:18 PM

Can anyone ever substantiate ANY stories, any beliefs, any worldview that the progressives have?

When examined in any sort of detail, all their narratives, all their PROOF about rape, about race, about poverty and affluence, war and terrorism- all them end up being constructed out of cotton candy and unicorn farts.

Its why I despise progressives. Their entire belief system is a lie, and they practice lying constantly because they know that simply spreading the facts out will result in their premises being rejected.

Progs; doesn’t that bother you? Don’t you ever wish you didn’t have to hide or massage or obfuscate the data to get to your conclusions?

Dolce Far Niente on March 23, 2015 at 7:19 PM

Check out the facial expression of the guest on the right at about :13. She just hates that they have no facts.

BuckeyeSam on March 23, 2015 at 7:19 PM

CNN just now was more positive on Ted Cruz than the Fox News crew on Bret Brier show.

Kruthmer went all Cruz has no experience just like Obama.

Sad act.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on March 23, 2015 at 7:04 PM

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The Presidential Contenders: Sen. Ted Cruz

A deeper look at Texas senator
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canopfor on March 23, 2015 at 7:19 PM

Benghazi videographer – CNN Wrong
Travon – CNN Wrong
IRS targeting – CNN Wrong
Ferguson – CNN Wrong
ISIS JV – CNN Wrong
Hillary email – CNN Wrong
Ferguson – CNN Wrong
Netanyahu – CNN Wrong
UVA rape – CNN Wrong

SOON
Russian war on Ukraine – Guess
Stability of EU – Guess
2016 Election -Guess

Coincidences? Accidents? Pleeese! CNN isn’t news. Its purpose is the care and feeding of the left’s illusions.

KyserS on March 23, 2015 at 7:20 PM

It’s the Duke Lacrosse Case all over again. It didn’t happen, but the larger narrative, for the Left is, it could have, it does, and even if this case was a lie, so what?

topperj on March 23, 2015 at 7:26 PM

feminists in general disgust me

weedisgood on March 23, 2015 at 7:27 PM

How many false accusers are convicted?

KyserS on March 23, 2015 at 7:30 PM

You’d think people that claim to worry about global warming, racist cops, and gang-raped women, would be relieved and happy to find out that a black man was Not shot while surrendering. You think they’d be happy to find out that a woman was Not gang raped. You’d think they’d be happy to hear that the earth is not warming. If they worried about those things.

But no. They are upset at hearing such information. They WANT all the things they say they are avoidable tragedies, to be true.

If I think my mom may have died in an accident, and then find out that no, maybe she didn’t, I would like to believe the good news.

But not lefties. They want the bad news to be true, and the good news to be false. In fact, they insist on it.

What does that tell you? I know what it tells me.

HugoDrax on March 23, 2015 at 7:30 PM

BTW: What points were the two nit-wit contributors trying to make about how to handle rapes at colleges? The hot one on the right seemed to be making a case for getting the cops involved early on because UVA just dragged things out. Then, the other one seemed to be making the case that UVA just needed to do a better job of pursuing the matter.

This is a crock. For years, to the extent rapes occurred on campus, schools put a lid on it because they didn’t want Muffy’s and Claire’s parents knowing that their girls may not be safe. But then Obama’s administration has threatened schools to railroad all men accused of sexual assault. Now, these nitwits seem to be saying that UVA just didn’t do a good enough job of railroading the frat boys.

And what’s with this second instance in which the cops can’t uncover evidence of an attack on the same student only this past fall? Has anyone suggested therapy for this student?

BuckeyeSam on March 23, 2015 at 7:32 PM

Check out the facial expression of the guest on the right at about :13. She just hates that they have no facts.

BuckeyeSam on March 23, 2015 at 7:19 PM

Absence of facts does not make the story untrue. Unless you’re George Bush and you’re talking about yellow cake.

BobMbx on March 23, 2015 at 7:33 PM

‘m hearing a LOT of White, cisgendered, heteronormative Privilege Deny Or Intolerable Campus Rape Culture……..I hope you all are happy…

JFKY on March 23, 2015 at 7:41 PM

For years, to the extent rapes occurred on campus, schools put a lid on it because they didn’t want Muffy’s and Claire’s parents knowing that their girls may not be safe.
BuckeyeSam on March 23, 2015 at 7:32 PM

If there had been a rape epidemic, I suspect people would have known and heard about it. You couldn’t keep a lid on that.

whatcat on March 23, 2015 at 7:42 PM

CNN just now was more positive on Ted Cruz than the Fox News crew on Bret Brier show.

Kruthmer went all Cruz has no experience just like Obama.

Sad act.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on March 23, 2015 at 7:04 PM

The people at FNC hate conservatives even more that the people at CNN.

Unfortunately, there are still millions who believe FNC is conservative. It is purely big business and establishment Republican.

bw222 on March 23, 2015 at 7:58 PM

How many false accusers are convicted?

KyserS on March 23, 2015 at 7:30 PM

How many of them are even named? It’s so easy to make false accusations when you can do it behind the screen of anonymity. In this case, the slandered fraternity brothers have not been afforded identity protection whereas their accuser sails through life under a pseudonym, and with the specious cover of having been “possibly abused” in other (unknown) circumstances.

ricoliv on March 23, 2015 at 8:11 PM

Just because facts don’t bear out the narrative does not cause liberals to abandon said narrative. I mean, we’ve got to have truthier truth.

ghostwalker1 on March 23, 2015 at 8:19 PM

Put her name out there…we deserve to know who she is so that potential victims can stay away from her

weedisgood on March 23, 2015 at 8:44 PM

At 1:21, the host says that there’s a rape/sexual assault problem on college campuses. Hasn’t that been debunked? If so, the host needs to go to any campus where it actually is a problem.

BuckeyeSam on March 23, 2015 at 7:12 PM

It doesn’t get articulated any better than this:

Once the left makes up the lie, it becomes their fantasy world. You ever realize how hard it is to try to tell someone — much less convince them! — that they’re living in a complete fantasy universe? In the fantasies of these lib women, men are evil scumbags who are raping young women every single day.

Aizen on March 23, 2015 at 7:05 PM

:)

Anti-ControI on March 23, 2015 at 8:59 PM

If you start with the premise – as nearly everyone seems to do – that CNN-IS-UNWATCHABLE; you have no problem with the network, it’s narrative, foibles and/or (rare) triumphs.

aquaviva on March 23, 2015 at 9:06 PM

Hey! The suspects were MEN! They HAVE to be GUILTY of something!

As for CNN and it’s “reporters”, they’re credibility was in the toilet years ago.

GarandFan on March 23, 2015 at 9:24 PM

“If you look at the FBI statistics, only about 2 percent of rapes that are reported are false,” Hostin said of the admittedly “squishy” police statistics on rape. “So, the suggestion that she just sort of made this entire thing up flies in the face of the statistics. Women generally do not falsely report rape.”

Obviously Hostin flunked out of High School math. “Women generally do not falsely report rape” means that some minority actually do make false reports — and this could be one of them. And the statistical average of falsity says absolutely nothing about this specific case, just as a flipped coin coming up heads 10 times in a row tells you nothing about what the next flip will do.

Socratease on March 23, 2015 at 9:24 PM

weedisgood on March 23, 2015 at 8:44 PM

I agree whole-heartedly, Sir or Ma’am.

a5minmajor on March 23, 2015 at 9:48 PM

It doesn’t matter if she told the truth or made it up. The Greater Truth is that Men are Bad. So she told the truth in a wider context, which as all Lefties understand instinctively, is all that matters.

Ozwitch on March 23, 2015 at 10:49 PM

“If you look at the FBI statistics, only about 2 percent of rapes that are reported are false,” Hostin said of the admittedly “squishy” police statistics on rape.

Wait, what? Damn, time to find an article on this.

From Megan McArdle, who is usually really good with the numbers & statistics.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-09-19/how-many-rape-reports-are-false

The number of false accusations is what statisticians call a “dark number” — that is, there is a true number, but it is unknown, and perhaps unknowable.

Here’s what we do know: The 2 percent number is very bad and should never be cited. It apparently traces its lineage back to Susan Brownmiller’s legendary “Against Our Will,” and her citation for this figure is a single speech by an appellate judge before a small group of lawyers. His source for this statistic was a single area of New York that started having policewomen conduct all rape interviews. This is not data. It is an anecdote about an anecdote.

SO, 2%? Bullsh*t.

Real number… nobody has any clue, and nobody can ever really know without reading minds.

I’d wager on somewhere between 10 and 50 percent, if you could find a god to read the minds of all those who made rape accusations, and then give you the correct number.

I wouldn’t wager on where in that range it might fall however.

gekkobear on March 23, 2015 at 11:08 PM

LOL! This story is so simple:

A girl gets drunk at a male-frat party and bangs a drunk guy on the stairwell.

Suddenly, she notices one of her own-female-frat pals eying her in the
act.

OMG!

I WAS RAAAAAAPED!

This whole story is stupid.

shorebird on March 24, 2015 at 12:42 AM

“Jackie” must be prosecuted

SDRightWinger on March 24, 2015 at 2:42 AM

My freshman year of college a girl spread a nasty rumor around campus that I raped her friend in the dorms. She went as far as to claim that an ambulance was called to take the girl to the hospital. I had guys one night try and knock down my door. Luckily a guy in my dorm who knew the lying girl was able to defuse the situation.

SDRightWinger on March 24, 2015 at 2:51 AM

“If you look at the FBI statistics, only about 2 percent of rapes that are reported are false,” Hostin said of the admittedly “squishy” police statistics on rape. “So, the suggestion that she just sort of made this entire thing up flies in the face of the statistics. Women generally do not falsely report rape.”

Let’s see what the stats looks like when you take “statutory rape” (for example, when an 18-year-old has consentual sex with a 15-year-ld) out of those stats. Something tells me that “2%” would be a much higher number.

DethMetalCookieMonst on March 24, 2015 at 7:41 AM

I’m a cynic but given how casual college kids are about sex it’s hard to believe anything short of gang rape on the campus quad would be unwelcome. Sorry if I have a low opinion of a generation who accepts, hooking up and friends with benefits but whines because they had sex while drunk.

Guys should always prosecute false, unproven claims that they raped someone. Maybe women would stop if they knew they’d have claim their false accusation.

katiejane on March 24, 2015 at 7:47 AM

CNN yelling, “This isn’t over!” like a cartoon villain….
If I were in the mood to be bothered by things today, this one should worry me a lot. They’re intent on hanging somebody for this report. Doesn’t matter if it can’t be supported by evidence of any kind, doesn’t matter that there are actual cases of sexual assault that need police resources, possibly a few where the legitimate victims want or deserve the media attention.

Jackie/Julia has spoken and made a fellow lefty outfit look stupid after the facts were re-introduced to all involved. Somebody has to be the target of this lynch mob they put together, those torches don’t just go out. What’s that? Oh, when they run out of fuel, the torches will go out? Well, that’s not important… what’s important is somebody somewhere was probably raped, and it might as well have been Jackie, on the UVA Campus, with the Frat Peen.

I’m suddenly in the mood for a game of Clue…

PXCharon on March 24, 2015 at 8:23 AM

The story was fake, but accurate. – Dan Rather.

Tom Servo on March 24, 2015 at 9:52 AM

If one goes to several locations looking for the most outlandish unbelievable amazing story, what are the chances that the story is true?

The most incredible fishing story told after asking at several different barber shops?

The most amazing seduction story told after asking at several different bars?

What are the chances?

Mordaukar on March 24, 2015 at 10:16 AM

Rolling Stone, the author of the piece, and “Jackie” should all be sued into poverty. Rolling Stone should be taken to the cleaners so hard that they go out of business. For that matter, so should CNN.

And just for the record, that’s me being charitable. “Uncharitable” would be that every one of them should hang by the neck until dead.

Slander is NOT okay. And when you’re falsely accusing people of gang rape,

I had guys one night try and knock down my door. Luckily a guy in my dorm who knew the lying girl was able to defuse the situation.

SDRightWinger on March 24, 2015 at 2:51 AM

…that’s no longer mere “slander” from where I sit. That’s conspiracy to commit murder.

GrumpyOldFart on March 24, 2015 at 11:41 AM