Scott Walker on immigration: “My view has changed. I’m flat out saying it.”

posted at 11:31 am on March 2, 2015 by Allahpundit

A reversal so predictable that even a dummy like me saw it coming.

But is it a reversal? Per Jamie Weinstein, maybe the headline should be “Scott Walker still stands by path to citizenship for illegals.” Here’s the key bit, which comes at exactly a minute in.

WALLACE: The question [in 2013] was, ‘Can you envision a world where if these people paid a penalty that they would have a path to citizenship?’ and you said, ‘Sure, that makes sense.’

WALKER: I believe there’s a way you can do that. First and foremost, you have to secure that border, or none of these plans make any sense.

Essentially, says Weinstein, he’s playing semantic games with the definition of “amnesty,” which isn’t the first time Walker’s done that. In November 2013, after the Wisconsin interview on immigration excerpted here by Chris Wallace started raising eyebrows on righty blogs, Walker told Breitbart News that he most certainly was not for “amnesty.” If you watch that Wisconsin interview, though, you’ll see that his idea for solving illegal immigration had less to do with tightening the border than with loosening it. “You hear some people talk about border security and a wall and all that,” he said at the time, but “to me, I don’t know that you need any of that if you had a better, saner way to let people into the country in the first place.” Not even John McCain and Lindsey Graham go so far as to define “border security” as easier admittance.

Depending upon how narrowly you define “amnesty,” though, even a guy as pro-open-borders as Walker 2013 could kinda sorta argue that he’s against it. In the strictest sense, “amnesty” means legalization for illegals who are already here with no prerequisites. Theoretically, if you support giving full citizenship to all 11 million but insist on, say, basic English fluency first, you’re not in favor of “amnesty” because you’re imposing a condition on their eligibility for citizenship. I think Walker’s going further than that in his chat with Wallace: He’s talking up actual border security now (I think), something he didn’t do at all in that 2013 interview, which is more than just a semantic change and will go a long way in getting conservatives who otherwise love him to forgive him for this obviously calculated flip-flop. But you can understand why Weinstein thinks Walker’s opposition to “amnesty” is shallow, especially in light of the boldfaced line above. If you define “amnesty” as any policy measure designed to let illegals stay, regardless of the conditions and irrespective of how much new border security precedes it, then yeah, Walker’s most definitely still for amnesty. Just skip to 1:00 of the clip and see for yourself.

An irony of his slipperiness on this issue is that he’s getting a benefit of the doubt that another young, appealing, checks-most-of-the-boxes Republican 2016 candidate doesn’t get. Marco Rubio’s stuck in the mid-single digits because no matter how much crap he eats publicly for pushing the Gang of Eight bill, many conservatives can’t forgive him — even though his current position on immigration is more or less identical to Walker’s current position. Every time he speaks somewhere, the reviews are glowing; he’s able to address national policy, especially foreign policy, with a degree of specificity that’ll probably take Walker months to reach, if he reaches it at all. If not for the Gang of Eight bill, I think the primaries would start largely as a two-man race between Walker and Rubio. As it is, the latter’s nearly an asterisk, with Walker and Jeb Bush sucking up most of the oxygen on the right and center that Rubio needs to get going. I’ve said before that I think Rubio needs some big endorsements, starting with Mitt Romney’s, plus some polling showing him performing unusually well with Latinos to gain traction with establishmentarians. There may be nothing he can do to gain traction with righties — but after reading this Byron York piece, I wonder.

[I]n our conversation Saturday, I asked Walker what Republicans in Washington should do in the standoff over funding the Department of Homeland Security. “Not just Republicans, I think the Congress as a whole needs to find a way to fund homeland security going forward,” Walker answered. He explained that he recognized the concerns lawmakers have about giving up their ability “to push back on the president’s questionable, if not illegal, actions.” Walker noted that he was part of the states’ lawsuit against Obama’s action. “I think they’re right that the president is wrong,” Walker told me, “but I also think we’ve got to make sure that homeland security isn’t compromised.”

After a little more along those lines, I said I was still a little unclear on where Walker stood. Should Republicans stand firm on not funding Obama’s unilateral action on immigration, or should they go ahead and fund the Department of Homeland Security without regard to what Obama has done? Here is what Walker said:

“I think they have to figure out some way to have the bridge to continue to fund homeland security but in a way that doesn’t remove their ability to come back sometime in the not too distant future if the court rules or if the administration changes how they do this action in a way that could be upheld in court. They need to have the power of the purse string to offer a counter to that.”

What does that mean, exactly? It’s not entirely clear.

Yeah, Walker’s not entirely clear on immigration here either. And so far, on foreign policy, he’s had little to say beyond some hawkish throat-clearing and claiming that facing down Wisconsin’s labor fanatics has helped prepare him for tough challenges abroad like ISIS. It’s way too early in the race to care about any of that; Walker will still be golden in the polls by the time the Republican debates begin. But if he continues to come off as platitudinous onstage while Rubio comes off as detailed and thoughtful, it might lead some center-righties partial to Walker right now to give Rubio a second look. That’s Rubio’s strategy — he’s not going to sink a candidate as well-funded as Bush or a candidate as accomplished as Walker, but maybe he can cannibalize parts of each man’s base and pull even with them. And then, at some point in February or March 2016, conservatives will have a tough choice to make: Whom to rally around as the one true Bush-killer in the race? Walker or Rubio?


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Brian1972 on March 2, 2015 at 6:37 PM

Indeed, and have been encouraged to do so by the Mexican government.

Illegal aliens in the United States send in excess of $22 Billion dollars back to Mexico per year in the form of ‘remittances’, the funds going directly into bank accounts for their own retirement, to family, and into Mexico’s economy.

thatsafactjack on March 2, 2015 at 7:01 PM

What a typical sleazy,unprincipled,lying politician.Will never vote for him.I’m flat out saying it!!

redware on March 2, 2015 at 7:03 PM

Illegal aliens in the United States send in excess of $22 Billion dollars back to Mexico per year in the form of ‘remittances’, the funds going directly into bank accounts for their own retirement, to family, and into Mexico’s economy.

thatsafactjack on March 2, 2015 at 7:01 PM

Oh yes, I am aware of that. My local grocery has a Western Union up front, and there they are lining up to send part of our economy out of the country, every day.

I am wondering if some kind of surcharge shouldn’t be put on that flow of money, if it could be limited to non-citizens.

Maybe if you want to wire money to certain countries, prove you are a citizen of America or you have to pay extra %15 or something.

I don’t know, something has to be done to reverse this, somebody has to stand up for Americans for a damn change.

Brian1972 on March 2, 2015 at 7:18 PM

Here are the infographics on Mexico remittances from 1995-2015 as compiled by the Banco de Mexico

Sorry for the typo above. Here are the ‘official’ figures per Banco de Mexico.

This includes only those funds wired as remittances, not funds transferred directly to individual in person or by other ‘off market’ means.

Remittances in Mexico increased to 2196.41 USD Million in December of 2014 from 1775.39 USD Million in November of 2014. Remittances in Mexico averaged 1311.92 USD Million from 1995 until 2014, reaching an all time high of 2637.71 USD Million in October of 2008 and a record low of 248.06 USD Million in February of 1995. Remittances in Mexico is reported by the Banco de México.

graphic of Mexico’s unemployment rate average per month since April 2014 through January 2015

Unemployment Rate in Mexico increased to 4.51 percent in January of 2015 from 3.76 percent in December of 2014. Unemployment Rate in Mexico averaged 3.80 percent from 1994 until 2015, reaching an all time high of 5.93 percent in May of 2009 and a record low of 2.22 percent in March of 1997. Unemployment Rate in Mexico is reported by the Instituto Nacional de Estadística y Geografía (INEGI).

Mexican jobless rate increased to 4.51 percent in January, after reaching a six-year low 3.76 percent in the previous month.

The labour force participation rate decreased to 58.8 percent from 59.86 percent in the previous month. 95.5 percent were working but 8.5 percent said could work more hours.

Upon seasonal adjustment, the unemployment rate was unchanged at 4.43 percent.

thatsafactjack on March 2, 2015 at 7:24 PM

US GDP = 16.8 Trillion Dollars. Someone do the math and see what percentage of that 22 Billion is.

kcewa on March 2, 2015 at 7:25 PM

Immigrants Pay Lower Fees to Send Money Home, Helping to Ease Poverty

These were traceable wire transfers only.

The total remittance transfers sent across the globe from the United States in recent years are almost $50 billion annually, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, or roughly the equivalent of the government’s foreign aid budget. (Estimates by the World Bank suggest that the figure is significantly higher, close to $100 billion per year, according to Dilip Ratha, an economist who leads the World Bank’s remittances program.)

thatsafactjack on March 2, 2015 at 7:32 PM

US National Debt Clock – Real Time

US national debt is in excess of $18 trillion.

How broke is too broke?

thatsafactjack on March 2, 2015 at 7:34 PM

Illegal aliens in the United States send in excess of $22 Billion dollars back to Mexico per year in the form of ‘remittances’, the funds going directly into bank accounts for their own retirement, to family, and into Mexico’s economy.

thatsafactjack on March 2, 2015 at 7:01 PM

Total remittances to Mexico and other Latin American countries exceeds $54 billion per year.

That is just under the total state tax/fee revenue of Colorado, Connecticut and Maine – combined…

DrDeano on March 2, 2015 at 7:49 PM

Dear illegal Mexicans,

Thanks for destroying our education system with your willful illiteracy and ignorance of the Western standards of achievement.

Ps: the reason you speak gutter in the first place is because the Spanish conquered you and you we too stupid to even mimic a proper language.

SpongePuppy on March 2, 2015 at 7:55 PM

Were too stoopid.

SpongePuppy on March 2, 2015 at 7:55 PM

When you hear “path to citizenship,” automatically add “without having to first leave the United States, go to the back of the line, start over, and do it right this time.”

When you hear “pay a penalty,” automatically add “which is equal to the price of United States citizenship for line jumpers.”

Christien on March 2, 2015 at 8:00 PM

US National Debt Clock – Real Time

US national debt is in excess of $18 trillion.

How broke is too broke?

thatsafactjack on March 2, 2015 at 7:34 PM

That’s up to the Chinese but I’m guessing they would say “Until you have no choice but to be our vassal state.” Which is probably not far off.

I just don’t think that specific economic or job arguments will convince people to oppose amnesty. Those arguments apply to all immigrants which can be seen as bigoted – and they’re easy to counter.

If amnesty is what we want to stop then the best argument is the one that says we can’t control immigration if we keep rewarding illegal immigrants or “over stayers”. Everyone understands that uncontrolled immigration will eventually overwhelm us and is a security threat with terrorists and drug gangs.

kcewa on March 2, 2015 at 8:05 PM

As a current Governor, Scott Walker (and other Governors like Jindal and Pence) has an opportunity to earn my vote by maximizing the ACTIONS he can take at the state level to reduce the number of ILLEGAL aliens in Wisconsin.

What is Scott Walker doing to make Wisconsin the least hospitable place for ILLEGAL aliens?

– Do ILLEGALS get in-state tuition at Wisconsin state universities?
– Are drug laws enforced?
– Is E-Verify used for all state employees?
– Are sanctuary cities allowed to exist in Wisconsin?
– How many ILLEGAL aliens are turned over to ICE each year in Wisconsin?

I will look forward to answers to questions like these in the Presidential Debates.

ACTIONS impress me more than words!

Ending ILLEGAL immigration is my top issue in 2016, since it has a big impact on almost all of the other issues!

wren on March 2, 2015 at 8:06 PM

Ending ILLEGAL immigration is my top issue in 2016, since it has a big impact on almost all of the other issues!

wren on March 2, 2015 at 8:06 PM

How is it impacting the other issues?

kcewa on March 2, 2015 at 8:10 PM

No cutting in line.

No camiseta, No zapatos. No como se dice “dice” en Spanglish.

Christien on March 2, 2015 at 8:14 PM

kcewa on March 2, 2015 at 8:05 PM

I’m not sure what your argument is, kcewa, but suggesting those who are opposed to illegal immigration and the drain it places on US resources are bigoted is a non-starter.

You brought up the GDP. I posted a link to the debt clock, which puts our GDP and our debt in perspective.

The facts regarding the toll that illegal aliens are taking on US jobs and the economy, along with the rule of law and the value of citizenship, and the validity of US elections, are the most cogent and persuasive argument.

thatsafactjack on March 2, 2015 at 8:32 PM

I will add that cheap foreign labor, in the form of H1B visa holders, is also a major drain on US jobs, and contributes substantially to the number of illegal aliens at large in the nation as a large part of the 40% of illegal aliens present because they willfully chose to refuse to leave when their visa expired.

If we punish employers who willfully and knowingly provide employment to those who choose to become an illegal alien when their visa expires we can go a long way toward ending that practice and cutting down on that 40%.

thatsafactjack on March 2, 2015 at 8:39 PM

Look at what has happened to California, the state that elected Reagan as Governor twice, and which he carried for President, twice.

Today, any Republican Presidential campaign begins with writing off California as hopeless, except for some fundraising stops.

Why is that? A big reason is illegal immigration altering the electorate over a couple of generations.

Brian1972 on March 2, 2015 at 12:28 PM

It’s alot more of a problem than just altering the electorate.
I have an acquaintance that is politically to the left of the leftists. A fully committed Bernie Sanders type socialist revolutionary. But he happens to live in the LA area of California and experiences first hand on a daily basis all the effects of unfettered illegal immigration.
Astonishingly, it’s the one and only issue he agrees with the right about.

lynncgb on March 2, 2015 at 8:47 PM

What a typical sleazy,unprincipled,lying politician.Will never vote for him.I’m flat out saying it!!

redware on March 2, 2015 at 7:03 PM

Precisely.

Jayrae on March 2, 2015 at 9:03 PM

Ending ILLEGAL immigration is my top issue in 2016, since it has a big impact on almost all of the other issues!

wren on March 2, 2015 at 8:06 PM

How is it impacting the other issues?

kcewa on March 2, 2015 at 8:10 PM

Do you really have to ask this question?

OK, here is a short list of obvious impacts off the top of my head:

1)ILLEGAL aliens take jobs that should be given to American citizens and legal residents in a time of high unemployment

2) National Security – If we allow people to enter our country ILLEGALLY, we won’t know how many potential terrorists or other criminals are entering our country with them.

3) ILLEGAL aliens don’t have to pass health checks, so we shouldn’t be surprised to see an increase in contagious diseases like Measles, Tuberclosis and Enterovirus that are otherwise rare in the US.

4)ILLEGALs who use emergency rooms to get free health care, increase the cost of health care for the rest of us.

5)When schools are swamped with ILLEGALS who don’t speak English, it is harder to give American children and legal residents a good education.

6) Identity theft by ILLEGALS is a huge problem for the people who have their identities stolen.

7) ILLEGALS represent an expensive portion of the US prison population

8) Drug trafficking by ILLEGALs has destroyed countless American lives.

9) ILLEGALS who drive without licenses and insurance make our roads more dangerous for everybody.

10) Allowing ILLEGALs to break US laws undermines the rule of law in our society.

I’m sure others can add anything I may have left off this list.

American Citizens deserve to have our laws against ILLEGAL immigration ENFORCED!

wren on March 2, 2015 at 9:05 PM

How about Congress (which we don’t need now that Obama has become Emperor) just disband and its last bill that passes be that all $$$$ spent on Congress in the last fiscal year be GIVEN to every illegal in the US, with 15% increase in spending every year in perpetuity?

Show you REALLY CARE Congress.

Do it for Barack the Great and the little brown childrens.

PappyD61 on March 2, 2015 at 9:09 PM

I’m not sure what your argument is, kcewa, but suggesting those who are opposed to illegal immigration and the drain it places on US resources are bigoted is a non-starter.

thatsafactjack on March 2, 2015 at 8:32 PM

I’m not saying you’re bigoted. I’m saying that the argument you’re using against amnesty is the same as the argument against immigration and guest workers.

If we want to stop amnesty and illegal immigration we need to focus on that.

kcewa on March 2, 2015 at 9:26 PM


Obama “Very Interested” In Raising Taxes Through Executive Action
Conn Carroll | Mar 02, 2015

Obama’s preferred option would be for Congress to pass a corporate tax hike that would fund liberal infrastructure projects like mass transit. But if Congress fails to do as Obama wishes, just as Congress has failed to pass the immigration reforms that Obama prefers, Obama could take actions unilaterally instead. This past November, for example, Obama gave work permits, Social Security Numbers, and drivers licenses to approximately 4 million illegal immigrants.

Those immigration actions, according to the Congressional Budget Office, will raise federal deficits by $8.8 billion over the next ten years.

thatsafactjack on March 2, 2015 at 9:27 PM

Ending ILLEGAL immigration is my top issue in 2016, since it has a big impact on almost all of the other issues!

wren on March 2, 2015 at 8:06 PM

How is it impacting the other issues?

kcewa on March 2, 2015 at 8:10 PM

It’s an existential issue; if it isn’t fixed, ‘game over’. *Everything* is changed for the worse, and well, forever. There is no going back, period. All the other issues can *potentially* be reversed or fixed – not this one.

The Democrats have been very open about this – they see this as the final guarantee of permanent majorities, turning most red states to blue, and never losing national elections again.

Midas on March 2, 2015 at 9:38 PM

kcewa on March 2, 2015 at 9:26 PM

This nation has the most generous immigration system on the planet. Every year we accept about 1.1 million people through the legitimate immigration system into this nation from all over the world.

As a matter of fact, this nation accepts four times as many immigrants through its legitimate immigration system than any other nation on Earth, and we have accepted that many year after year for decades.

The people of the United States of America are literally the most generous people in these terms of any people in the world.

Today 92 million Americans are out of the workforce. The United States has the lowest workforce participation rate it has experienced since WWII.

About 30 million Americans are either unemployed or chronically and acutely underemployed.

1 in 5 Americans between the age of 24 and 54 is unemployed.

11 million American STEM workers cannot find employment in their field.

100 million Americans are on at least one of the 84 means tested federal welfare programs.

46 million Americans are receiving food stamps and have been for the 39th month running.

65% of all American children live in a household that is receiving at least one of those 84 separate means tested federal welfare programs.

Since 2007 all net job gains in the United States went to immigrants.

The average Amerian’s income in 2000 was about $28,300. Today, in 2015, the average American’s income is about $28,600. That’s wage stagnation.

However, in 2000 the price of the average American house was about $170,000. Today, in 2015, the price of the average American house is over $280,000.

I suggest to you, kcewa, that this nation doesn’t need to increase legal immigration, H1B visas, ‘guest worker passes, or grant amnesties, and this nation certainly doesn’t need more unskilled or low skilled labor.

It’s time that our elected representatives, our federal government, put the interests of American citizens ahead of the interests of foreign nationals, as they are mandated to do under the constitution.

thatsafactjack on March 2, 2015 at 9:41 PM

Again, I should add that this nation also hands out some 700,000 work visas, and Obama has granted ‘guest worker’ passes to some 500,000 illegal aliens per year who weren’t qualified to receive them since he’s been in office.

So, yes, our federal immigration system not only works, it’s working beyond its legal capacity thanks to the actions of Obama.

thatsafactjack on March 2, 2015 at 9:43 PM

And… just for the sake of clarity… I’ll reiterate once again that about 40% of all illegal aliens became illegal aliens by choosing to remain in this nation in violation of federal law when their legitimate visa expired.

So legitimate immigration does, in fact, contribute directly to a large percentage of the illegal aliens currently at large in this nation today.

We need real time visa tracking, we need vigorous and consistent internal enforcement, and we need to limit the number of H1B visas granted as well as more rigid criteria for granting them. We need to limit ‘guest worker’ passes to specific industries, and track those workers in real time and see that they leave this nation when that visa expires.

We need to end automatic citizenship for the children of foreign nationals to prevent these ‘guest workers’ from simply having a child born in this nation in a bid to bypass the legitimate immigration system remain in this nation and garner benefits.
This measure would also end ‘birth tourism’.

We need to end the ability of any sitting president to unilaterally prevent enforcement of federal immigration law.

thatsafactjack on March 2, 2015 at 9:55 PM

FLIP – FLOP. FLIP – FLOP, FLIP – FLOP.

stenwin77 on March 2, 2015 at 10:23 PM

Harboring criminals is illegal and is punishable.
Start with $50k per incident of employment or housing of illegals and see how quickly those 12-20 million start fleeing back to Mexico without jobs or housing here.
But, frankly, 12-20 million people crossing the border should be treated as an act of war. Forget a fence, let’s get the boarder lined with machine gun nests. Hang up a few human traffickers every 1/4 mile as a warning.
LoganSix on March 2, 2015 at 1:15 PM

You didn’t answer the question of constitutionality of putting the burden on employers at the federal level.

Look I’m for getting rid of these filthy illiterate disease ridden aliens. I’m even for ending and if possible, rescinding the citizenship of anchor babies. Bottomline these aliens came here by hook or crook to steal from our birthrights. Yeas it sucks to be born in Mexico or some other cesspool. But either change your country for better or come here thru the front door. I’m also for temporary work visas as in come in do a job and leave without any benefits etc. At the same time we don’t want to encourage the unskilled and uneducated to think they can get citizenship because we already have millions of our own illiterates and unskilled thanks to the federal education bureaucracy.

As far as I’m concerned, the individual states can do whatever they want to drive out the illegals from within their borders. But where does the the federal government get the authorization to set up everify let alone force the private sector to vet anyone’s status? The feds used to raid businesses to round up illegals and Im fine with that… Yet to see anyone answer this question.

Another thot along this line is that if and when this becomes federally mandated, you can be sure that this will arrive in front of SCOTUS and depending on the climate, thrown out as unconstitutional and given enough pro amnesty judges, thrown out with prejudice to include overturning even local and state laws. So this is but one reason I discount mindless talk of everify as the cure when there are no clear constitutional grounds for it.

The way I see it, these illegals can be persuaded to self deport thru several disincentives without forcing businesses to be responsible for vetting one’s citizenship or right to work here.

AH_C on March 2, 2015 at 10:28 PM

I watched Fox News Sunday and I missed this filthy liar’s equivocation: “I believe there’s a way you can do that. First and foremost, you have to secure that border, or none of these plans make any sense.” You can’t trust him, he is there to pass Amnesty, that is his number one goal. Everything else is windowdressing.

Igor R. on March 2, 2015 at 11:12 PM

Actually, that’s another idea. We theoretically _could_ pay for illegal aliens to be here… and then take up a census of them, and deduct the costs they are incurring to our country from the foreign aid we give the appropriate country. In Mexico’s case, they might build the wall for us. :p
Scott H on March 2, 2015 at 2:14 PM

I would be fine with shipping any illegals to the border first to work a month on a chain gang building our fence. Ship the entire family there to the work camps. After the parents and adults finish their 30 days, send them home with an invitation to rejoin the chain gang for 60 days the next time they sneak in. They’ll deport themselves in no time flat.

Another tactic would be to eet up a hotline with $50 a head to report illegals living in our midst.

Walker could gain a lot of crossover appeal from low income and blue collar voters by outlining a 3 point plan to eliminate illegals hiding in the shadows.
1) if elected, illegals have until 5 January 2017 to pack up and leave voluntarily with all their possesions. If they wish to come back as legal aliens, they must outprocess at a border checkpoint and pick up an exit visa. They can then go home and get in line.

2) the first order of congress will be to pass a veto-proof law instructing border patrol and customs to not let them exit with anything more than a suitcase each and get a biometric scan. After 5 years they can apply to get in line for a special visa costing $25k per head.

3) on his 100th day in office, any illegals caught will be deported with only the clothes on their backs. Assets will be seized and auctioned of. Biometric scans and 10 year banishment.

Campaign on that and if he wins overwhelmingly, no one, not even the COC can deny that mandate.

AH_C on March 2, 2015 at 11:12 PM

It’s alot more of a problem than just altering the electorate.
I have an acquaintance that is politically to the left of the leftists. A fully committed Bernie Sanders type socialist revolutionary. But he happens to live in the LA area of California and experiences first hand on a daily basis all the effects of unfettered illegal immigration.
Astonishingly, it’s the one and only issue he agrees with the right about.

lynncgb on March 2, 2015 at 8:47 PM

“A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged by reality.”

AesopFan on March 3, 2015 at 2:15 AM

US GDP = 16.8 Trillion Dollars. Someone do the math and see what percentage of that 22 Billion is.

kcewa on March 2, 2015 at 7:25 PM

and the Obamas flying their dog courtesy of the taxpayer is also a drop in the bucket. Thing is, all this stuff adds up…a few hundred thousand here, several million there, billions over there…

Also household debt compared to GDP is extremely high (nearly 90%) so these GDP numbers themselves don’t tell the whole story anyway when compared to a possibly huge private debt bubble.

Dr. ZhivBlago on March 3, 2015 at 5:55 AM

Walker has “severely ” changed his view…

ChuckTX on March 3, 2015 at 6:08 AM

How is it impacting the other issues?

kcewa on March 2, 2015 at 8:10 PM

Illegals who end up voting, legally or not, vote for the socialists.

farsighted on March 3, 2015 at 6:30 AM

How is it impacting the other issues?

kcewa on March 2, 2015 at 8:10 PM

It’s an existential issue; if it isn’t fixed, ‘game over’. *Everything* is changed for the worse, and well, forever. There is no going back, period. All the other issues can *potentially* be reversed or fixed – not this one.

The Democrats have been very open about this – they see this as the final guarantee of permanent majorities, turning most red states to blue, and never losing national elections again.

Midas on March 2, 2015 at 9:38 PM

Illegals who end up voting, legally or not, vote for the socialists.

farsighted on March 3, 2015 at 6:30 AM

OK. But I have to say “maybe”. I just don’t buy the idea that immigrants will always vote socialist or democrat. They may do so now, but we haven’t exactly reached out to them.

Historically they’ve voted for jobs – the city machines offered that and they were Democrat (mostly) but when that was cleaned up they voted the same as earlier waves of immigrants.

If they (Hispanic immigrants) could turn Red to Blue then Texas and the SW would already be Blue. I know about California but the reddest parts of California are the parts with the most immigrants – the Valley and the Southland. It’s the same here in the NW – the reddest parts are Eastern OR and WA where the largest population of Hispanic Immigrants are.

It just doesn’t add up and I have faith in people to vote for good ideas if they’re presented well. Especially if they have actual experience living in failed socialist states.

The reason that the Dems support Amnesty is that it appeals to white urban libs It just doesn’t add up and I have faith in people to vote for good ideas if they’re presented well – it’s the hipster/suburban voters they think will give then a permanent majority not the Immigrant vote. We can counter that by emphasizing that we don’t oppose immigration – just Amnesty.

Of course I could be totally wrong.

kcewa on March 3, 2015 at 7:15 AM

Bottom line: The reality is that there is going to have to be some sort of “pathway to citizenship” for the 12-20 million illegals here in the US. If you believe in or propose anything else, you live in a fantasy world. The only reality is what form will it take. We can certainly discuss and debate that, but what’s not debatable is that it won’t or can’t happen.

JetBoy on March 2, 2015 at 11:47 AM

Bullshit.

Younggod on March 3, 2015 at 9:06 AM

Watching the interview, it was clear that Walker chose his words very carefully. It makes him sound tough on amnesty, but conceivably gives him enough room to do anything, from granting total amnesty to being the biggest illegal immigration hawk ever.

Stoic Patriot on March 2, 2015 at 11:46 AM

Agree

Union overreach caused financial problems in his State.

Illegal alien hiring overreach has caused huge financial problems for the working class American citizens, breaking the pathway to self sufficiency.

This became a political solution for both parties, because it was the blue collar independents who do not obey the political masters

Walker did not solve his State problems by increasing the power of Unions to block fiscal reform. Walker obviously holds a position that the foreigners who ignore immigration law to displace our working class should be rewarded with a permanent position, and those who profited by importing aliens should be vindicated in their grand theft.

Looks to me like he will cave day one. The guy didnt parse his union rhetoric.

entagor on March 3, 2015 at 11:46 AM

Younggod on March 3, 2015 at 9:06 AM

Ditto

entagor on March 3, 2015 at 11:47 AM

Establishment darling and Reince Priebus bestie Scott Walker is a pro-illegal alien amnesty fraud.

Republicans should be raising absolute hell about the threat to the country posed by the mass illegal alien invasion, not playing cutesy word games.

Shame on any of you who make excuses for this boring politician Walker.

Many of you also attacked those of us who pointed out that Corey Gardner was running to the left of Udall on the amnesty issue, and sure enough he also sold us out.

This is not an issue to compromise on.

bluegill on March 4, 2015 at 12:58 AM

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