Rasmussen: Plurality of Democrats think Obama should be able to ignore court rulings if it’s “important”

posted at 2:01 pm on February 20, 2015 by Allahpundit

A small reminder that Obama couldn’t get away with his authoritarian plays on immigration and health care if his party wasn’t backing him up. Turns out, in fact, that they’re willing to go even further than he is. Obama tends to limit himself to summarily rewriting federal statutes, like immigration laws and ObamaCare’s employer mandate. Democrats wonder: Why not rewrite some federal court rulings too?

Something to bear in mind as we wait for SCOTUS’s decision on ObamaCare subsidies in the Halbig case and the Fifth Circuit’s decision on that injunction blocking O’s executive amnesty. He’s already entered the YOPO phase of his presidency. Why not make his base happy by ignoring any adverse rulings and instigating a full-blown constitutional crisis?

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 26% of Likely U.S. Voters think the president should have the right to ignore federal court rulings if they are standing in the way of actions he feels are important for the country…

But perhaps more unsettling to supporters of constitutional checks and balances is the finding that 43% of Democrats believe the president should have the right to ignore the courts. Only 35% of voters in President Obama’s party disagree, compared to 81% of Republicans and 67% of voters not affiliated with either major party…

[W]hile 72% of GOP voters and 63% of unaffiliateds believe it is more important to preserve our constitutional system of checks and balances than for the federal government to operate efficiently, Democrats are evenly divided

Women and younger voters feel more strongly than men and those 40 and older that the president should have the right to ignore federal court rulings. Black voters believe that more than whites and other minority voters do.

I assume Rasmussen deliberately chose a phrase as open-ended as “important for the country” to nudge respondents about the potential for abuse. Once you tell the president it’s cool to ignore court rulings if it’s “important,” you might as well pass an enabling act and hand him supreme power. Forty-three percent of Democrats, an actual plurality, didn’t flinch, though. And the irony is, Obama’s own defenses of his power grabs aren’t much more sophisticated than that. His rationale for executive amnesty is that Congress is hopelessly gridlocked, the legal limbo that illegals find themselves in is intolerable, and we’ve now reached a point of crisis (a political crisis for the White House, not a policy crisis) that simply demands executive action. It’s crucially important that he act unilaterally and that he act now, even though he can’t quite explain — again, on policy terms — why that is. Just trust him. It’s important. And Democrats do, including and especially the core Democratic constituencies of women, young adults, and minorities.

If you’re looking for a silver lining here, you can find it in the fact that these numbers will move — probably within both parties — once a Republican’s back in the White House. Some GOPers will doubtless become more comfortable with executive action at that point, but I’d bet Republican opposition to the idea of the president defying court rulings doesn’t soften nearly as much as Democratic opposition will harden. That’s the state of the rule of law in the “progressive” party now. Separation of powers and check and balances are wonderful things, but only when they’re being used to restrain the right people.

Exit question via Gabe Malor: Is this the final proof that Mike Huckabee is secretly a Democrat?


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Proof the progressive mind is twisted.

old school on February 20, 2015 at 5:54 PM

Well then since the demorats and Obama do give a damn about law and order the states should do what ever the hell they want and ignore Obama’s Illegal decrees.

MCGIRV on February 20, 2015 at 5:59 PM

correction: don’t give a damn

MCGIRV on February 20, 2015 at 6:00 PM

Based on that logic, one should ask, why can’t any American ignore the laws that conflict with something they believe is important?

[I’ll sit back now and watch heads explode.]

I’m beginning to thing Democrats are becoming less socialist and more anarchist.

EdmundBurke247 on February 20, 2015 at 6:06 PM

Romney was right about the 47% after all. As long as the gravy train keeps rolling this group would allow a dictator. Wow! Can anyone imagine the founding of America with the crowd here today?

inspectorudy on February 20, 2015 at 6:06 PM

Could you imagine the hue and cry if someone had suggested Bush was above the constitution and the law on issues he deemed “important to the country”?

We’d all need to wear body armor to protect ourselves from all of the liberal heads imploding.

Oxymoron on February 20, 2015 at 6:12 PM

Here is an example of Obama and the loon crazy hate U.S. Democrats.

Memo by Border Patrol bosses.

http://www.kpho.com/story/28108702/border-patrol-agents-directed-to-release-drunk-drivers/

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 20, 2015 at 6:14 PM

Phoenix (CBS5) by Adam Longo updated Feb. 16, 2015

http://www.kpho.com/

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 20, 2015 at 6:17 PM

43% of Democrats believe the president should have the right to ignore the courts.

If progressives feel they can ignore the law when it suits their ends then we should be able to nullify the election of someone we don’t like.

Deadeye on February 20, 2015 at 5:18 PM

That’s exactly what the Democrats tried to do in Florida in 2000. And there is a healthy percentage of Democrats today who still refuse to accept the 3 SCOTUS rulings against Gore that thwarted their attempts. Those 3 rulings were 9-0, 7-2, and 5-4.

This poll result shows that Chimpy Bush is still living rent-free inside their heads 15 years after the fact. He really should charge them rent.

Del Dolemonte on February 20, 2015 at 6:17 PM

I’m beginning to thing Democrats are becoming less socialist and more anarchist.

EdmundBurke247 on February 20, 2015 at 6:06 PM

They’ve passed anarchist and are on their way to full-bore nihilist.

Anarchist Plan;

1. Blow Up Everything

2. Kill As Many People As Possible

3. THEN A MIRACLE OCCURS

4. UTOPIA! (Creates Itself Spontaneously)

5. If (4) Does Not Happen

6. Return To (1), Repeat Process As Many Times As Necessary Until (4) DOES Happen

Nihilist Plan;

1. Kill Everybody Who Isn’t Like Me

2. Repeat 1 Eternally

Since Plan A isn’t working out, they’re shifting to Plan B. Or rather, Plan N.

clear ether

eon

eon on February 20, 2015 at 6:24 PM

gack

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 20, 2015 at 6:26 PM

Ah, and we now learn that Obysmal will restart his illegals’ amnesty program under an “emergency court order.” What emergency? This clown intends to thumb his nose as a federal judge’s decision because “a ‘crisis’ is not too good to waste.”
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/233343-obama-to-seek-emergency-court-order-in-immigration-fight

onlineanalyst on February 20, 2015 at 6:33 PM

Democrats see nothing wrong with illegality, as long as they get their way. No big surprise. They, and the Administration they support, are corrupt. The government of this country is in danger because of the actions of Democrats.

grumpyank on February 20, 2015 at 6:38 PM

The Border Patrol Continues to Act as if a Federal Judge Hadn’t Just Blocked Obama’s Amnesty

And…the Obama administration IS ignoring court rulings…when they choose.

thatsafactjack on February 20, 2015 at 6:39 PM

[W]hile 72% of GOP voters and 63% of unaffiliateds believe it is more important to preserve our constitutional system of checks and balances than for the federal government to operate efficiently, Democrats are evenly divided…

WTH?

Axe on February 20, 2015 at 6:50 PM

It’s funny that it’s repeatedly the left that voices that “the country has become ungovernable” when they’re the ones saying that we shouldn’t really have a consistent view on the rules. A liberal president should enact EOs and ignore court rulings, but a central-right president shouldn’t even fire a good bunch people who serve and the President’s pleasure, if that makes him look too dictatorial.

If conservatives say something is “important”, it never fails that we get the left asking “Who gets to decide what’s ‘important’ or what’s not?” and “Not everybody would agree that that’s ‘important'”. But when they want the president to act unilaterally because it’s “important” that’s all they need. Not that everybody agrees that it’s important (..and WHY DON’T YOU? YOU WANT EVERYBODY TO DIE!!!!!) or a consensus of libs can’t determine that something is “important”.

It’s important that conservatives just shut up, because, according to our President, we’re just “helping ISIS”.

Who could govern the society this deeply influenced by the chaos of the lib mind??!!

Axeman on February 20, 2015 at 7:59 PM

WTH?

Axe on February 20, 2015 at 6:50 PM

Some Dems haven’t drunk their daily allotment of Kool-Aid and their conscience is coming through.

Mommys Little Darling on February 20, 2015 at 8:00 PM

Where do they find the people for these polls??

Herb on February 20, 2015 at 8:26 PM

We are in deep doo-doo.

Never imagined in my younger days that I would ever see my USA in doo-doo this deep.

Tragic.

petefrt on February 20, 2015 at 8:35 PM

As long as the gravy train keeps rolling this group would allow a dictator. Wow! Can anyone imagine the founding of America with the crowd here today?

inspectorudy on February 20, 2015 at 6:06 PM

Sure, all you have to do is know your history.

American independence was fostered by a pissed-off minority who dragged a lemming majority to revolution.

Take away the Internet, the cell phones or the safety against domestic attack and see what happens to the Nazis in Washington. Dead meat.

Younggod on February 20, 2015 at 8:39 PM

Here is a better question to ask: Who would stop Obama if he to tell the court to shove it and then proceed as he sees fit? The winning answer: Absolutely no one.

Carnac on February 20, 2015 at 9:13 PM

Plurality of Democrats think Obama should be able to ignore court rulings if it’s “important”

Scratch a Democrat, you’ll find a Brown Shirt underneath.

GarandFan on February 20, 2015 at 9:38 PM

A plurality of my friends and sycophants think I should be able to ignore any laws if it is ‘important’, too.

LegendHasIt on February 20, 2015 at 9:45 PM

Playing politics 24/7, indoctrination centers, Pravda, and freebies for losers all pay dividends.

antipc on February 20, 2015 at 9:54 PM

Sure, Democrats don’t mind breaking the law if it means they win. Seriously, this party is becoming a threat to the U.S. and its form of government. They seem to believe corruption is okay if it works for them.

grumpyank on February 20, 2015 at 10:09 PM

I refer to them as the Macchiavellian Party anymore. Purely pathological.

subsonic on February 20, 2015 at 10:34 PM

They’re pro-murder, pro-theft and pro-corruption, just so long as “the right people” are in charge.

GrumpyOldFart on February 20, 2015 at 10:42 PM

Where do they find the people for these polls??

Herb on February 20, 2015 at 8:26 PM

John Zogby once admitted on national teevee that he polled on certain days of the week when he wanted to achieve results that his clients desired.

And many “polls” overweigh their polling samples. In the past 5 years, AP has been busted for sampling twice as many Democrats as Republicans in a “poll”, and when Chimpy Bush was in charge the C-BVS/NYT “poll” was busted numerous times for overampling Democrats by as much as 19%.

That’s why they always bury their poll sample demo at the very bottom of the last PDF page of their “methodology”.

That is, if you can find it!

CNN have never divulged how they do their “polls”, but a glance at their “results” over the years shows their goal. Forward!

Del Dolemonte on February 20, 2015 at 10:53 PM

In other words, 26% of Americans want a King – – – or a dictator.

BD57 on February 20, 2015 at 11:23 PM

“Important” is in the eye of the beholder.
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This “plurality” of Democrats are irrelevant.

listens2glenn on February 20, 2015 at 11:56 PM

That’s a loaded issue/poll.

I love to see posts here and elsewhere where even Conservatives will type stuff like, “Well, the Supreme Court said sooooo. It’s the Law of the Land. Just the way it is.” Same mentality where if you don’t hand over what you’ve earned (cheerfully I may add) to a virtual mafia you’re un-patriotic.

As for me, the Supreme Court lost any legitimacy it had when it said killing babies is Constitutional.

So, it comes down to which laws are ignored and which aren’t. We know there are bad laws, but who can be trusted to be the final arbiter of which are bad and which are good?

Doesn’t matter. The various laws ceased to be about making life better for the average Citizen ages ago. And we’re too divided to reach any consensus on these issues. But “divided” is only temporary. The Left is winning. And, as usual, our collective Conservative inertia will continue to let them win.

And we know how things go when Leftists take over. Never a happy ending.

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 21, 2015 at 12:47 AM

Romney was right about the 47% after all. As long as the gravy train keeps rolling this group would allow a dictator. Wow! Can anyone imagine the founding of America with the crowd here today?

inspectorudy on February 20, 2015 at 6:06 PM

You mean those elitist liberals the founding fathers? Right, hard to believe it.
I’m surprised that you have such a low opinion of retiring baby boomers and veterans. Just because they receive social security or support for wounds inflicted fighting for this country does not mean they’re incapable of doing what’s best for this country at the voting booth.

As for the question polled, it was loaded beyond belief. Ask people if sacrificing grandma at the alter is ok if good for the country, and they’ll say yes. It introduces a clear and unmistakable bias.
The results are skewed and flawed.

bayam on February 21, 2015 at 1:24 AM

Yeah…right but only if the President is a Democrat.

casaler on February 21, 2015 at 8:19 AM

Yeah…right but only if the President is a Democrat.

casaler on February 21, 2015 at 8:19 AM

That is because they are the party of ‘diversity’ and they only tolerate the ‘diversity’ they define, and any other type of ‘diversity’ is just racist.

And they will tell you that with a straight face, too.

ajacksonian on February 21, 2015 at 8:41 AM

A president who continues to break our laws doesn’t love this country. Somebody wants this amnesty thing awful bad. This whole situation has gotten a lot bigger than just a narcissist wanting his way because he won. This is exactly how Castro took over Cuba and look how long that has lasted.

Kissmygrits on February 21, 2015 at 8:47 AM

Only 81% of Republicans are against this?

How the hell was that not a Philidelphia style, black thugs with billy clubs at the door to the polling station, 110 %?

papertiger on February 21, 2015 at 9:05 AM

A republic, IF you can keep it.

Sheerq on February 21, 2015 at 9:31 AM

Any mention of whether the rest of us can ignore court rulings too?

JellyToast on February 21, 2015 at 9:55 AM

Six-hundred and Ninty-nine DAYS.
For the semi-literate Gimmedat’s … that is: 699 days.

The end of the first and God help us, the LAST Affirmative Action Presnit, reign of terrible.

Stupid Americans. Will they EVER LEARN?

Missilengr on February 21, 2015 at 10:00 AM

43% of dhimocrapts who are about 35% of registered voters means about 15% of dhimocrapts think they are enough in the majority to ignore the constitution and can do whatever they want that fits their political agenda. Yet, in another thread, DHS says that conservative republicans are the only terrorists we should worry about.

Pretty soon, their rope is going to come to its end and we will have a big correction. The fact that this is even out there or even carried on Hot Air is part of the problem. Since the dhims control almost all the press, it does no harm to let them have access and control of the remainder.

Old Country Boy on February 21, 2015 at 10:45 AM

Women and younger voters feel more strongly than men and those 40 and older that the president should have the right to ignore federal court rulings. Black voters believe that more than whites and other minority voters do.

OK, all you black voters, let’s just ignore Brown vs Board of education and the 13th and 14th amendments.

Old Country Boy on February 21, 2015 at 10:49 AM

This is demonstrably failed Oh-bummer logic.

During the 2008 campaign, Oh-bummer presented an empty cup of words disguised as promises into which individuals could pour their own dreams of “change.” Most of America fell for this. Change was, in fact, provided, but not the kind most people envisioned. (The world is a much different and dangerous place then it was 2008, but not better.)

Fast-forward to today. The responses to this question show that some segments of society failed to learn. When answering the question, they again poured their own “dreams” about which laws should be ignored without looking at the consequences if someone else was able to pick different laws to ignore.

As old Country Boy points out, what if a president were to determine that certain minorities were to be disenfranchised. You might also consider what would happen if a president were to suspend all civil liberties under the guise of protecting “peace,” if all people unable to work were to be eliminated, if certain religions were classified as treasonous and made to publicly wear symbols, or if certain ethnic groups were to be “contained.”

Impossible you say?

We are only one Reichstag fire away from entering a dark period from which we may never recover.

EdmundBurke247 on February 21, 2015 at 11:19 AM

The results are skewed and flawed.

brayam on February 21, 2015 at 1:24 AM

Back from Christmas in Tirana, I see! Welcome home!

But thanks for admitting the true purpose of polling, i.e., to help Democrats achieve their desired results.

F+

Del Dolemonte on February 21, 2015 at 12:09 PM

Romney was right about the 47% after all. As long as the gravy train keeps rolling this group would allow a dictator. Wow! Can anyone imagine the founding of America with the crowd here today?

inspectorudy on February 20, 2015 at 6:06 PM

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You mean those elitist liberals the founding fathers? Right, hard to believe it.

bayam on February 21, 2015 at 1:24 AM

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Nope … that’s your own erroneous claim.
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I’m surprised that you have such a low opinion of retiring baby boomers and veterans. Just because they receive social security or support for wounds inflicted fighting for this country does not mean they’re incapable of doing what’s best for this country at the voting booth.

bayam on February 21, 2015 at 1:24 AM

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I have a “low opinion” of people who reject private capitalism, in favor of ‘socialist government.’ … That is NOT most military veterans … but it is a lot of the “baby boomers.”

Military veterans don’t think of VA care and Social Security as a “gravy-train.” They think of it as their “due”, and they’re right.

A bunch (not all) of the “baby boomers” do think of Social Security as their “gravy train.”

Ultimately, it’s the parents and grandparents of the “baby boomers, who allowed this unsustainable government social-program spending to run amok.
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As for the question polled, it was loaded beyond belief. Ask people if sacrificing grandma at the alter is ok if good for the country, and they’ll say yes. It introduces a clear and unmistakable bias.
The results are skewed and flawed.

bayam on February 21, 2015 at 1:24 AM

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Well, let’s have a “look-see”…
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National Survey of 800 Likely Voters
Conducted February 18-19, 2015
By Rasmussen Reports

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1* Is it more important for government to operate efficiently or more important to preserve our constitutional system of checks and balances?
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2* Which of the three branches of the federal government is most important – the executive, the legislative or the judiciary? Or are they all of equal importance?
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3* Generally speaking, do court challenges of actions approved by the president and Congress help protect the rights of U.S. citizens, or are they mostly nuisances that stand in the way of good policy?
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4* Should the president have the right to ignore federal court rulings if they are standing in the way of actions he feels are important for the country?
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5* Do the actions of the U.S. government today represent the desires of most Americans, or is the government more responsive to special interest groups?
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NOTE: Margin of Sampling Error, +/- 3.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence

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I have never been in favor of polls, that are released for ‘public consumption.’ I always tend to believe they’re “skewed.”
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But when you (of all people) start complaining about a poll being “skewed”, that gets my attention.

Now then … would you please explain to everybody exactly what it is that is “skewed”, about the wording of the above poll questions…

listens2glenn on February 21, 2015 at 1:14 PM

A republic, IF you can keep it.

Sheerq on February 21, 2015 at 9:31 AM

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I haven’t gone back and read all of the comments, but this one’s a winner, to me.

listens2glenn on February 21, 2015 at 1:20 PM

bayam on February 21, 2015 at 1:24 AM

So are we to assume that you believe President Obama should follow both the constitution, law and court decisions even though it may not get his desired result right away?

Should he follow the process that was instituted?

Neitherleftorright on February 21, 2015 at 1:39 PM

Back from Christmas in Tirana, I see! Welcome home!

Del Dolemonte on February 21, 2015 at 12:09 PM

Ha! Too funny.

Long live the People’s Republic of Albania!
-bayam

Neitherleftorright on February 21, 2015 at 1:42 PM

And that’s why they’re Democrats and not Republicans.

Socratease on February 21, 2015 at 2:23 PM

Current headlines—–

Feds rushing amnesty contracts at ‘full-throttle pace’…

Border Patrol Continues to Act as if Judge Hasn’t Blocked…

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Gutless GOP just cowers in silence while Emperor Hussein runs roughshod over the Constitution, the rule of law, and the sovereignty of the country.

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oh, and btw, Rubio will skip the DHS vote, and Walker is meeting with amnesty shill Grover Norquist.

Grover Norquist Lobbying GOP Congress for Amnesty Bill

Grover Norquist’s Alleged Islamist Ties Threaten Reelection to NRA Board of Directors

Senator Philip Bluster on February 21, 2015 at 4:54 PM

So, only one HA troll lamely attempting to defend the large number of Democrats in favor of a totalitarian regime? And he does so by trying to discredit the poll saying it’s methodology or sample is flawed?

Does that mean he thinks the number of Democrats wanting a totalitarian regime, or this President having the powers to ignore the Constitution and laws of the land, is larger than the poll reflected, or smaller?

Athos on February 21, 2015 at 4:56 PM

I’m surprised that you have such a low opinion of retiring baby boomers and veterans. Just because they receive social security or support for wounds inflicted fighting for this country does not mean they’re incapable of doing what’s best for this country at the voting booth.

bayam on February 21, 2015 at 1:24 AM

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I have a “low opinion” of people who reject private capitalism, in favor of ‘socialist government.’ … That is NOT most military veterans … but it is a lot of the “baby boomers.”

Military veterans don’t think of VA care and Social Security as a “gravy-train.” They think of it as their “due”, and they’re right.

A bunch (not all) of the “baby boomers” do think of Social Security as their “gravy train.”

YOU are dead wrong. I live in a military city. THEY ARE ENTITLED. IMO, they feel more entitled than any other ‘group’. This isn’t your Dad’s military. They are taught early how to get ‘disability’ and live off the government. Yes, some are horrific injuries and they should get whatever they want, but the large majority are entitled since they served a few years. DOD is worse than any social welfare program

Ultimately, it’s the parents and grandparents of the “baby boomers, who allowed this unsustainable government social-program spending to run amok.

Redford on February 21, 2015 at 5:11 PM

To the liberals who answered YES to this poll – keep in mind your answer when the Republicans take back the Presidency. We won’t want to hear any complaints from you if the conservative does the same thing.

Anyone wanting to live under a dictatorship should just leave here and go to Cuba. The courts would never even dare to disagree with Castro.

evie1949 on February 21, 2015 at 6:27 PM

Rasmussen: Plurality of Democrats think Obama should be able to ignore court rulings if it’s “important”

Now thats some scarey sheet right there.

Hey let’s throw out checks and balances. Who needs other branches of government when you gots Obama.

SpongePuppy on February 21, 2015 at 7:01 PM

Once you tell the president it’s cool to ignore court rulings if it’s “important,” you might as well pass an enabling act and hand him supreme power.

When you satisfy Godwin’s law in the body of the post…

AesopFan on February 21, 2015 at 7:29 PM

That’s exactly what Obama is doing.

Wigglesworth on February 21, 2015 at 8:19 PM

‘Liberal fascism.’ EXACTLY!

locomotivebreath1901 on February 21, 2015 at 8:39 PM

That is exactly why liberal need to be kicked the eff out of this country. Not a one of them respects our Constitution. We need a civil war to rid the nation of these ruiners.

F_This on February 21, 2015 at 8:53 PM

Plurality of Democrats think Obama should be able to ignore court rulings if it’s “important”
Translation: A plurality of Democrats are done with the Constitution

Willys on February 21, 2015 at 9:28 PM

Maybe the next President should be aloud to VOID – The Right to an Abortion, Ban Gay Marriage and wipeout Obamacare by the stroke of their pen alone.

Nat George on February 21, 2015 at 9:32 PM

If it came to Jeb Bush vs. Jim Webb, I expect I’d vote for Webb. It’d be a vote to restore the Dem party (and retake it from the pernicious progs) and a vote against RINOs.

The alliance of the future is not between Dem and GOP,but between those who favor liberty and Constitutional government versus those who favor collectivist statism.

petefrt on February 21, 2015 at 10:28 PM

“It’s OK ‘if it’s important'” summarizes the entire progressive philosophy in one tiny little capsule.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 22, 2015 at 3:28 AM

Since the vast majority of court decisions that directly involve the executive branch of government involve a Constitutional issue, perhaps the poll should have asked Democrats if it’s A-OK for The One to do whatever he wants to, if it’s really, really, important (to them, of course) even if it violates the Constitution of the United States. Unfortunately, I do not believe the numbers would change much.

If Obama told them to join him in Jamestown, I believe a conga line would soon form.

IndieDogg on February 22, 2015 at 4:01 AM

Constitution, what constitution: When you ask morons questions, you get moronic answers.

leader4hru on February 22, 2015 at 11:24 PM

Okay, I’m starting to get what “sort of God” means.

He’s not expected to be all powerful or all knowing, that’s not part of the “sort of” the left is referring to. That would imply that he be held responsible when things don’t go the way he said they would, and we can’t have that. So what if you liked your health plan? So what if we’re not leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq?

“Sort of” apparently only refers to ultimate authority that cannot be gainsaid, with no accountability to anyone else. That kind of “sort of.”

Now I get it. I think the word you’re looking for is “pharaoh.”

GrumpyOldFart on February 24, 2015 at 12:38 PM

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