Abandon ship: Southern Tier New York looks to defect to Pennsylvania over fracking ban

posted at 4:41 pm on February 19, 2015 by Noah Rothman

Despite the fact that it rests upon a wealth of resources, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo is sticking by his pledge to ban the practice of the hydraulic fracturing of shale to extract natural gas (fracking) in the Empire State. He flipped on his opposition to the practice while seeking reelection after facing significant resistance from his environmentalist left flank.

As a political maneuver, Cuomo’s decision makes sense. In any other context, though, the decision to ban fracking in New York is asinine. For the party of science, opposition to fracking technology is strictly the result of adherence to an article of faith.

“I’m a little confused – banning fracking for gas, and banning new pipeline construction to transport it, means more dirty energy from coal and oil during the winter months when gas supplies are insufficient to most of New York and New England,” wrote Forbes contributor James Conca in December. “And a 2011 study by the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation didn’t show any great issues not faced by most other industrial processes.”

Of course it doesn’t make sense if you’re viewing environmentalist opposition to fracking through a dispassionate and empirical lens. The left’s antipathy toward this technological innovation that promises to finally free America from reliance on hostile foreign oil producers (alongside horizontal drilling) is an expression of fealty to a faith-based conviction.

But not only is New York’s opposition to fracking not based in an objective assessment of its environmental impacts, it is also economically hazardous and a nightmare for the state’s badly neglected upstate residents. Well, between the fracking ban, high property taxes, and general meddling from Albany, New York’s Southern Tier has had enough. According to a report, those cities along the Pennsylvania border are investigating the prospects for seceding from New York and joining the Keystone State. (Hat tip to The Washington Post’s Ed O’Keefe)

“The Southern Tier is desolate,” said Conklin, New York supervisor to a reporter with WBNG. “We have no jobs and no income. The richest resource we have is in the ground.”

There are 15 towns interested in the secession, according to the Towns Association. These towns are in Broome, Delaware, Tioga and Sullivan counties. The association declined to name the towns without their permission and also declined to comment on specifics at this time. As of now, research is ongoing. The group will be updating Action News with all of their findings in the coming weeks.

The association said it’s comparing taxes and the cost of doing business in the two states. It says the facts show there is a huge difference between the two.

Also being considered are things like workers comp, surcharges, unemployment and health insurance. The association’s understanding is that the secession would have to be approved by the New York State Legislature, the Pennsylvania State Legislature and the U. S. government.

So, is this even possible? We’ve come a long way from the Michigan-Ohio war, and it’s doubtful that there will be an armed engagement between New York and Pennsylvania over Binghamton, but that does not necessarily mean that New York will be eager to cede part of its tax base to Pennsylvania.


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Do it…screw Cuomo…

PatriotRider on February 19, 2015 at 4:47 PM

Abandon ship: Southern Tier New York looks to defect to Pennsylvania over fracking ban

If Pennsylvania has any common sense, they’ll tell those New
York refugees to go to hell. No body needs New York refugees, anymore than they need California refugees.

oscarwilde on February 19, 2015 at 4:47 PM

Common. This is irrelevant. Price of crude is too low right now to make drilling new wells economically feasible. If you want to go after Cuomo, ethics is a better target. Chasing him on this just hurts YOUR credibility.

mjr212 on February 19, 2015 at 4:47 PM

“The Southern Tier is desolate,” said Conklin, New York supervisor to a reporter with WBNG. “We have no jobs and no income. The richest resource we have is in the ground.”

but that does not necessarily mean that New York will be eager to cede part of its tax base to Pennsylvania.

What tax base?

KCB on February 19, 2015 at 4:47 PM

Maybe if they discover that they all have Russian heritage, Putin will come to set them free.

RBMN on February 19, 2015 at 4:48 PM

Do it…screw Cuomo…

PatriotRider on February 19, 2015 at 4:47 PM

NO… New York needs to suffer the consequences of the decision that they have made, just like my home state of California does. Its the only way they are going to learn.

oscarwilde on February 19, 2015 at 4:48 PM

If Pennsylvania has any common sense, they’ll tell those New
York refugees to go to hell. No body needs New York refugees, anymore than they need California refugees.

oscarwilde on February 19, 2015 at 4:47 PM

Eastern PA is already filling up with refugees from NY and NJ, bringing their disgusting leftist voting habits with them.

CurtZHP on February 19, 2015 at 4:49 PM

oscarwilde on February 19, 2015 at 4:47 PM

You mean those hard-working, pro-fracking and most likely conservative New Yorkers in the Southern Tier.

YOU sir, go to hell.

ThePrez on February 19, 2015 at 4:50 PM

Interesting, and I hope they find some kind of solution, but they might want to rethink that plan with Dem hack governor Tom Wolf in office now. He’s proposing a 5% tax on Marcellus shale drilling operations so he can funnel the money right into the black hole which is public education, to then be funneled right back into the Dem party coffers.

PatriotGal2257 on February 19, 2015 at 4:50 PM

Common. This is irrelevant. Price of crude is too low right now to make drilling new wells economically feasible. If you want to go after Cuomo, ethics is a better target. Chasing him on this just hurts YOUR credibility.

mjr212 on February 19, 2015 at 4:47 PM

Wrong answer, at $51.00 a barrel new wells are profitable.

oscarwilde on February 19, 2015 at 4:50 PM

The Company I work for is knee deep in this….well, some of our
other Offices are..we’ve been puttng pressure on the
Cornng, NY region for a while..
Now on to much more important things….
Does anyone realize this Song is 45 years old!!??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoI8meVAySE

ToddPA on February 19, 2015 at 4:52 PM

oscarwilde on February 19, 2015 at 4:47 PM

You mean those hard-working, pro-fracking and most likely conservative New Yorkers in the Southern Tier.

YOU sir, go to hell.

ThePrez on February 19, 2015 at 4:50 PM

What is obvious, is that you are an imbecile. Now sit the phuck down and shut the phuck up. Nothing teaches faster than pain. My home state of California became a Blue state only after millions of liberals fled the states that they had turned into economic disasters. I have no sympathy for economic locust. Pennsylvania does not deserve having what happened to California happen to them so that Marxist liberal democrats can avoid the consequences of their own actions.

oscarwilde on February 19, 2015 at 4:57 PM

There are other bogus reasons for opposing fracking, but even if there is no basis for opposing fracking because of global warming er “climate change,” the doomsayers tend to oppose ALL forms on energy, with few exceptions, regardless of CO2 output.

That’s why we got statements like this, showing their true inclinations:

“Isn’t the only hope for this planet the total collapse of industrial civilisation? Is it not our responsibility to ensure that this collapse happens?” -Maurice Strong, former UNEP Director

“We have wished, we ecofreaks, for a disaster… to bomb us into the stone age, where we might live like Indians.” -Stewart Brand, Whole Earth Catalogue

“If we don’t overthrow capitalism we don’t have a chance of saving the world ecologically.” -Judi Bari, Earth First

“Chief executives of large fossil fuel companies [should] be put on trial for high crimes against humanity and nature.” -James Hansen, NASA’s Chief Warmist Fear Monger

Yeah, it’s not about global warming, from WUWT:

4 of the 5 Great Lakes about to freeze over:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/02/19/4-of-the-5-great-lakes-about-to-freeze-over/

anotherJoe on February 19, 2015 at 4:59 PM

oscarwilde on February 19, 2015 at 4:47 PM

Eastern PA is already filling up with refugees from NY and NJ, bringing their disgusting leftist voting habits with them.

CurtZHP on February 19, 2015 at 4:49 PM

As a resident of California, I fully understand what you are suffering. It is not something you deserve. Liberal Marxist Democrats are nothing less than economic locust. They destroy everywhere they flee the consequences of their action to. Then they do the same thing to their new host state.

oscarwilde on February 19, 2015 at 5:00 PM

Imagine if that could happen, then state legislatures would have to make that consideration when evaluating legislation and policy.

DFCtomm on February 19, 2015 at 5:00 PM

Yeah, the people in the Southern Tier are paying for NYC’s resident’s pieties. They’re constantly out voted by city residents who have no clue how the world works and who think “upstate” is Westchester, and anything beyond is Canada. It also doesn’t help that there is no effective conservative/republican party/movement in the city to counter balance the lunacy that originates from there.
Until the city has to pay the price for its choices, this stuff will continue.

Iblis on February 19, 2015 at 5:03 PM

Join Texas!

One time offer!

Deafdog on February 19, 2015 at 5:05 PM

oscarwilde on February 19, 2015 at 4:47 PM

You mean those hard-working, pro-fracking and most likely conservative New Yorkers in the Southern Tier.

YOU sir, go to hell.

ThePrez on February 19, 2015 at 4:50 PM

What is obvious, is that you are an imbecile. Now sit the phuck down and shut the phuck up. Nothing teaches faster than pain. My home state of California became a Blue state only after millions of liberals fled the states that they had turned into economic disasters. I have no sympathy for economic locust. Pennsylvania does not deserve having what happened to California happen to them so that Marxist liberal democrats can avoid the consequences of their own actions.

oscarwilde on February 19, 2015 at 4:57 PM

If I understand correctly, the counties in NY being discussed lean or are strong Republican counties. They voted overwhelmingly against the communist Cuomo in the last election. Meanwhile, Pennsylvania has a newly elected communist as their governor. So not quite so clear cut.

chris0christies0donut on February 19, 2015 at 5:07 PM

It also doesn’t help that there is no effective conservative/republican party/movement in the city to counter balance the lunacy that originates from there.

Iblis on February 19, 2015 at 5:03 PM

Pennsylvania’s GOP is nothing to write home about either. It’s about as ineffectual as New York’s. What to keep in mind about Pennsylvania’s GOP, especially the people in the upper echelons, is that the only reason they are there is because the equivalent positions in the Democrat party were already filled.

PatriotGal2257 on February 19, 2015 at 5:07 PM

As a resident of California, I fully understand what you are suffering. It is not something you deserve. Liberal Marxist Democrats are nothing less than economic locust. They destroy everywhere they flee the consequences of their action to. Then they do the same thing to their new host state.

oscarwilde on February 19, 2015 at 5:00 PM

I’m just curious. Being from California, are you one of those locusts?

chris0christies0donut on February 19, 2015 at 5:10 PM

Yeah, the people in the Southern Tier are paying for NYC’s resident’s pieties. They’re constantly out voted by city residents who have no clue how the world works and who think “upstate” is Westchester, and anything beyond is Canada. It also doesn’t help that there is no effective conservative/republican party/movement in the city to counter balance the lunacy that originates from there.
Until the city has to pay the price for its choices, this stuff will continue.

Iblis on February 19, 2015 at 5:03 PM

I hear ya. California faces the same problem. I love California, its my home, but until the imbeciles along the I-5 corridor feel the pain of their decision, nothing will change. Marxism/Socialism only works until you run out of other peoples money to spend. the only solution is to force them to run out of other peoples money. It isn’t fun and it does hurt, but so does having radiation therapy or chemo.

oscarwilde on February 19, 2015 at 5:10 PM

Until the city has to pay the price for its choices, this stuff will continue.

Iblis on February 19, 2015 at 5:03 PM

No reason the right-thinking voters should suffer along with them.
Let the counties go!
If the NY Southern Tier Blue Voters don’t move back to NY-redux, will there be enough of them to swing the PA elections out of the Red?

AesopFan on February 19, 2015 at 5:12 PM

Bah, I say go big or stay home. Lop off NYC from the rest of the state and send Cuomo and the Dem’s Albany Minions packing to Manhattan to live with De Blasio.

Dusty on February 19, 2015 at 5:14 PM

oscarwilde on February 19, 2015 at 5:00 PM

I’m just curious. Being from California, are you one of those locusts?

chris0christies0donut on February 19, 2015 at 5:10 PM

No, and I fully advocate allowing California to suffer until those responsible feel the pain of what they have done. I’m about as conservative as you can be. I love California, its a wonderful place to live, but until we understand that what is happening to us is the consequence of our own actions, nothing will change.

oscarwilde on February 19, 2015 at 5:14 PM

I say go for it, but sadly, in my own state of CO this was sort of tried and voted down by too many municipalities so it never happened. *Sigh*

RblDiver on February 19, 2015 at 5:14 PM

This is where I live. I have no idea if this is even possible under the law, but if they can make this Pennsylvania, count me in.

Jazz Shaw on February 19, 2015 at 5:14 PM

oscarwilde on February 19, 2015 at 4:47 PM

Eastern PA is already filling up with refugees from NY and NJ, bringing their disgusting leftist voting habits with them.

CurtZHP on February 19, 2015 at 4:49 PM

One great thing about Texas is that liberals hate Texas so much they wouldn’t think of moving here. They think the entire state is a like Mississippi Burning/Groundhog Day.

NoDonkey on February 19, 2015 at 5:14 PM

Join Texas!

One time offer!

Deafdog on February 19, 2015 at 5:05 PM

Good idea! Michigan isn’t contiguous, why does Texas have to be?

Actually, since secession is not ever going to happen, I think they should just start fracking and dare Albany to come down there and stop them.

Occams Stubble on February 19, 2015 at 5:14 PM

This is where I live. I have no idea if this is even possible under the law, but if they can make this Pennsylvania, count me in.

Jazz Shaw on February 19, 2015 at 5:14 PM

We Pennsylvanians will be happy to have you! :)

PatriotGal2257 on February 19, 2015 at 5:16 PM

Iblis on February 19, 2015 at 5:03 PM

No reason the right-thinking voters should suffer along with them.
Let the counties go!
If the NY Southern Tier Blue Voters don’t move back to NY-redux, will there be enough of them to swing the PA elections out of the Red?

AesopFan on February 19, 2015 at 5:12 PM

When you treat cancer, healthy cells are killed in the treatment. The treatment either works or it doesn’t, but cancer will kill the host if not treated. So you either chose suicide, or treatment. The treatment is not fun, and is painful. But the option is certain death. Strong conservatives chose treatment, regardless of the pain and suffering over certain death. Its that simple.

oscarwilde on February 19, 2015 at 5:19 PM

That’s why we got statements like this, showing their true inclinations:

“Isn’t the only hope for this planet the total collapse of industrial civilisation? Is it not our responsibility to ensure that this collapse happens?” –Maurice Strong, former UNEP Director

And btw this is a description of Maurice Strong:

A self-proclaimed life long socialist, he is often refered to as the father of international environmentalism and the father of the global warming scare and the father of the UN’s Agenda 21 and its goal of “sustainable living”. https://conservativesonfire.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/world-enemy-no-1-_-maurice-strong/

The leftists always give supposed scientific reasons for their fear mongering, but how convenient is it that their “solutions” to the alleged problem are exactly the same as they have preached for decades before they masterminded global warming hysteria.

“In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that .. global warming.. would fit the bill… It does not matter if this common enemy is a real one or….one invented for the purpose.” -Club of Rome

“Every time someone dies as a result of floods in Bangladesh, an airline executive should be dragged out of his office and drowned.” -George Monbiot, UK Ecojournalist

And look here, there is ZERO actual that CO2 affects temperatures, and Al Gore blatantly lied about that in his movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK_WyvfcJyg&info=GGWarmingSwindle_CO2Lag

anotherJoe on February 19, 2015 at 5:19 PM

This is where I live. I have no idea if this is even possible under the law, but if they can make this Pennsylvania, count me in.

Jazz Shaw on February 19, 2015 at 5:14 PM

<— Sends Jazz a 54 degree Arrogant Bastard… Love ya man… Drink the AB, don't take the blue pill…

oscarwilde on February 19, 2015 at 5:24 PM

These counties would have an easier path if creating their own state. Then they would just need to get approval from NY state and the feds. One less step.

I think NY state would be better off making NY into 2 states… 1 that contains NY city and the other with the rest of the state. One island city is dominating the rest of the state.

dforston on February 19, 2015 at 5:26 PM

Texas reveals their true agenda, and that is to take the country by via good management. They will slowly annex all other states around them voluntarily.

DFCtomm on February 19, 2015 at 5:29 PM

anotherJoe on February 19, 2015 at 5:19 PM

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You are the first person (other than myself) I have seen post a comment, mentioning “Maurice Strong.”
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The NSA will pay extra close attention to you, on account of this.

Also … you owe me a “royalty” fee.

listens2glenn on February 19, 2015 at 5:31 PM

oscarwilde on February 19, 2015 at 5:19 PM

My understanding of Jazz’s post is that it is not a refugee issue but a territorial issue. You seem to be assuming that the people will leave NY and move to PA but what is proposed is that several NY counties become PA counties.

To me, this is a good thing because NY will lose territory as punishment for their political stupidity. Also, this might flip PA red as upstate NY is much less blue than NYC.

gh on February 19, 2015 at 5:31 PM

listens2glenn on February 19, 2015 at 5:31 PM

I am Canadian and grew up in “Canada’s atomic town”. So I have long known of “he who must not be named”. We do not mention him in polite society.

gh on February 19, 2015 at 5:35 PM

oscarwilde on February 19, 2015 at 4:47 PM
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You mean those hard-working, pro-fracking and most likely conservative New Yorkers in the Southern Tier.

YOU sir, go to hell.

ThePrez on February 19, 2015 at 4:50 PM

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What is obvious, is that you are an imbecile. Now sit the phuck down and shut the phuck up. Nothing teaches faster than pain. My home state of California became a Blue state only after millions of liberals fled the states that they had turned into economic disasters. I have no sympathy for economic locust. Pennsylvania does not deserve having what happened to California happen to them so that Marxist liberal democrats can avoid the consequences of their own actions.

oscarwilde on February 19, 2015 at 4:57 PM

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Oscar’, I didn’t need to read dforston‘s comment to know that this is the reality of NY State, but you just might.
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dforston on February 19, 2015 at 5:26 PM

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NY City will suffer NO PAIN from this.

listens2glenn on February 19, 2015 at 5:39 PM

listens2glenn on February 19, 2015 at 5:31 PM

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I am Canadian and grew up in “Canada’s atomic town”. So I have long known of “he who must not be named”. We do not mention him in polite society.

gh on February 19, 2015 at 5:35 PM

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But it’s okay to mention him in these discussions, right?

listens2glenn on February 19, 2015 at 5:41 PM

dforston on February 19, 2015 at 5:26 PM

Is there a mechanism for creating a new state this way in NY? I doubt “getting approval” from NY state will be easy. Or from the feds.

I recall there is a proposal to break up California into as many as six parts but California has a mechanism for it. I thought California is a special case and that not all states work this way.

gh on February 19, 2015 at 5:42 PM

listens2glenn on February 19, 2015 at 5:41 PM

I did not use the name. How dare you, sir!!

gh on February 19, 2015 at 5:44 PM

Western NY has far more in common w/ western PA/Ohio than with NYC; the same way parts of northern NY might have more in common w/ NH/Vermont, etc.

Really, NYC, Long Island, north Jersey and southern CT should be one big state.

There are a lot of states that might have similar things going on.

Redstone on February 19, 2015 at 5:46 PM

Here on the Eastern Shore of Maryland we’ve been talking secession for YEARS. We’ve developed a tiny bit of optimism in the last few weeks, and if Larry Hogan gets a second term, that talk may die down considerably.

Turn MD Red on February 19, 2015 at 5:53 PM

It’s not just the drilling ban that hurts Upstate New York — it’s the bureaucratic red tape out of Albany as well. The Houston Chronicle interviewed Texas oilman Clayton Williams about the problems in putting in natural gas pipelines:

The Williams Companies, which are made up of several corporate entities — including a tax-advantaged master limited partnership — own a range of midstream assets: storage, pipelines and natural gas processing plants across the U.S. The company recently narrowed its focus to transporting and processing natural gas, and embarked on several expansions of its largest line, the 10,500-mile Transco system running from the Gulf Coast to New England.

Those expansions have run into some delays and lengthy permitting applications, especially in the Northeast. Williams said that building the Constitution Pipeline — running 122 miles from Northeast Pennsylvania to Upstate New York — cost $4.8 million per mile, compared to a $1.7 million-per-mile price to lay a pipeline at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico.

jon1979 on February 19, 2015 at 5:53 PM

The Southern Tier is welcome to join Pa. … unless the deal sticks us with Ithaca. As the Professor at Legal Insurrection reminds us, Ithaca is 5 square miles of liberalism surrounded by reality.

either orr on February 19, 2015 at 6:00 PM

There are intelligent people with common sense in New York? Who would have known it?

RoyalFlush on February 19, 2015 at 6:06 PM

listens2glenn on February 19, 2015 at 5:41 PM

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I did not use the name. How dare you, sir!!

gh on February 19, 2015 at 5:44 PM

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Name? …. What name? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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Ohhh … you mean . M A U R I C E . S T R O N G ?
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Why shouldn’t we say M A U R I C E . S T R O N G ?
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Even . M A U R I C E . S T R O N G . will have to face the living God, some day.

listens2glenn on February 19, 2015 at 6:10 PM

There are intelligent people with common sense in New York? Who would have known it?

RoyalFlush on February 19, 2015 at 6:06 PM

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Most NY State residents, who don’t live in a city.

listens2glenn on February 19, 2015 at 6:13 PM

listens2glenn on February 19, 2015 at 5:31 PM

Well, we should talk about Maurice Strong more because that insidious character is trying to achieve through the vehicle of global warming um climate change the dismantling of our productive society. And he’s had a minor success at it so far in Europe.

And they want to take it way further. Remember, the 2009 Cap & Trade bill that passed the US House mandated 83% cuts in CO2 by 2050 (translation: approximately 83% cuts in energy use, INSANE), and that’s with a growing population and growing energy demands. It would have taken a wrecking ball to our economy and its infrastructure. By now already we would be suffering with ~ 10% cuts, and by 2025, a decade away, there would be ~ 30% cuts. No way could the bird killing windmills provide more than a fraction of a percent of that. And no fracking!

Strong’s statements are out in the open, and for years the self-described socialist directed the United Nations Environmental Program. The origin of the global warming scare is pure leftism, and that’s what still drives it today.

anotherJoe on February 19, 2015 at 6:13 PM

anotherJoe on February 19, 2015 at 6:13 PM

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I’ve been saying for years, that Maurice Strong conjured “man-made global warming climate-change” for the expressed purpose of disabling and dissolving the United States.
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Our Federal EPA is his weapon.

listens2glenn on February 19, 2015 at 6:19 PM

gh on February 19, 2015 at 5:35 PM

listens2glenn on February 19, 2015 at 6:10 PM

anotherJoe on February 19, 2015 at 6:13 PM

Here’s another good write-up on ol’ Maurice.

BTW, the website is a creation of former red-diaper baby David Horowitz, and is an excellent source of info on the worldwide Left.

PatriotGal2257 on February 19, 2015 at 6:25 PM

I’m kinda enjoying New Yorks’ freezing in the dark right now. Nobody take them in!

Old Country Boy on February 19, 2015 at 6:33 PM

Get out of NY State before it’s too late! I did.

Bet on February 19, 2015 at 6:44 PM

So, is this even possible?

My question as well. When was the last time something like this happened?

Are the states so sclerotic in the 21st Century that nothing could possibly change the equations as well as the maps?

Would the Federal government get involved?

Am I asking too many questions??

Given the intrusive actions by the Obama Administration, I have to believe that they would oppose this simply…because.

I would like to think that states’ rights would play a significant role. I guess the last similar situation that could be pointed to from both a instructional as well as a precedent was when West Virginia broke away from Virginia.

I hope this doesn’t go away.

E9RET on February 19, 2015 at 6:53 PM

PatriotGal2257 on February 19, 2015 at 6:25 PM

Did not even need to check the link … (but i did hover) …

gh on February 19, 2015 at 6:54 PM

E9RET on February 19, 2015 at 6:53 PM

I did not know that about Virginia/W Virginia. So it was possible at one time.

The eventual outcome of the California proposal will tell the tale, I suppose.

gh on February 19, 2015 at 6:56 PM

gh on February 19, 2015 at 6:54 PM

Heh … I understand. You don’t have to read about Maurice, necessarily.

The rest of the site is very good, too. I read David Horowitz’s bio “Radical Son” many years ago. Fascinating read. I found it interesting that a person brought up in what is essentially a Communist household did a 180° to become a staunch conservative. I love the fact that his whole purpose now is to shout to the heavens through his site about the dangers of all these people and movements.

PatriotGal2257 on February 19, 2015 at 7:11 PM

US Constitution, A4S3:

New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress.

PersonFromPorlock on February 19, 2015 at 7:29 PM

One great thing about Texas is that liberals hate Texas so much they wouldn’t think of moving here. They think the entire state is a like Mississippi Burning/Groundhog Day.

NoDonkey on February 19, 2015 at 5:14 PM

Except for Austin and Dallas.

Who is John Galt on February 19, 2015 at 8:05 PM

Get out of NY State before it’s too late! I did.

Bet on February 19, 2015 at 6:44 PM

^This. “Y’all can go to he77, I’m going to Texas” – Congressman Davy Crockett.

Who is John Galt on February 19, 2015 at 8:07 PM

The desire of rural areas to break away from the City-States that dominate them is true all over this country.

No longer are metro areas a positive benefit to rural counties; instead, they are political tyrants and economic bullies. In Washington State, for example, the portion of the state east of the Cascades has long played with the notion of forming a new state with eastern Oregon and northern Idaho, areas that are not only contiguous geographically but politically and philosophically.

I would bet the same is true for many, if not all states with a dense metropolitan nexus and a lightly populated rural outback.

It should be a valid reason to divorce NYC or the I5 corridor when one is “unequally yoked”.

Dolce Far Niente on February 19, 2015 at 8:13 PM

Not gonna happen. If CA could not split apart (north-south water battles), there’s no way it will ever happen in NY. I grew up in NY (eastern Long Island) and we were a “conservative” county for many years. Then all the liberal idiots moved further out east and it all went to hell. My parents, 70+ year residents of NY finally left last year and they are banging their heads against the wall for not leaving sooner. The only option for the southern tier residents is to move out. You vote with your feet and your tax dollars. Anyone can pick up and leave. I’ve heard all the excuses before (my job, my kids, my house, etc, etc). Fact of the matter is, all those “excuses” are bunk; if you truly hate it so much, stop whining and move. End. Of. Story.

powerpickle on February 19, 2015 at 8:50 PM

powerpickle on February 19, 2015 at 8:50 PM

^this. run Fast, and run Far.

Who is John Galt on February 19, 2015 at 11:28 PM

For the party of science, opposition to fracking technology is strictly the result of adherence to an article of faith.

Oh come on, Noah. You don’t actually believe that nonsense about being “the party of science.”

If they were the party of science, they would admit that abortion takes a human life. Anyone who won’t admit that can’t plausibly claim to be “the party of science.”

Speaking of which, are you pro-life? Or are you just as much anti-science as the left?

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 19, 2015 at 11:33 PM

Many have tried, none have seceded.

GAbred on February 20, 2015 at 2:35 PM