Decisions on removing transgender soldiers from Army moving to federal level

posted at 9:31 am on February 17, 2015 by Jazz Shaw

USA Today has turned up an interesting memo making its way through the ranks of the Army this month which, if implemented, will impact how personnel procedures are handled. According to the memo, the decision to process and discharge transgender soldiers would be made by a high level civilian official, presumably making it far more unlikely that such dismissals would take place.

Instead of being made by lower-level Army officers, the memorandum says, the decision to discharge transgender soldiers would be made by the assistant secretary of the Army for personnel. In all services, transgender troops can be automatically dismissed from service on medical grounds once they are identified.

“Assigning responsibility for discharge decisions to a senior official would be a welcome step toward inclusive policy, but transgender troops will still have to serve in silence until more is done to dismantle the ban,” said Aaron Belkin, director of the Palm Center, which has published research on sexual orientation issues in the military.

The Army had no comment about the memo, known as an All Army Activities directive, or the level at which decisions on dismissing transgender soldiers had been made, said Wayne Hall, an Army spokesman. Senior Defense department officials confirmed that the Army is considering the change. The new directive would expire after 12 months, or sooner, if a broader reinterpretation of the Army’s rules about transgender soldiers is issued.

This comes close on the heels of the government’s decision to allow Chelsea Manning, currently residing in Leavenworth, to undergo hormone therapy for “gender reassignment” treatment. At the time that was announced I asked the following question.

This gets more complicated because as things currently stand, “transgender individuals” are still barred from serving in the Army, but Leavenworth is only for service members. How are they going to square that conflict?

It’s hard to ignore the possibility that this memo is the first step in answering that question. By authorizing the hormone treatment the military has issued a de facto nod of the head to the status of Manning as being transgender. But if that’s the case, then under standing protocol Manning would have to be discharged. What would happen to his status as a prisoner or where he would be housed at that point would be up for debate. But if they can simply ignore the problem and keep him in the service, one problem is solved.

But that solution doesn’t address the host of other cases currently pending or sure to come in the future in terms of how the military handles their personnel issues. In order to function, the Army has to have a standardized set of rules to follow. You either allow transgender soldiers or you don’t. And when one turns up, the local command needs to be able to handle the situation just as they would with any other violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. But if this new ruling goes into effect a different standard will suddenly be applied where commanders will need to ask the permission of some far removed, civilian bureaucrat before any action can be taken.

This smells of a policy which was cooked up by someone who doesn’t really understand how the military works. The Army operates on consistency and black and white rules which are enforced uniformly across the ranks. Doing otherwise cripples the institution. If the administration feels they must tackle this question, either the policy regarding service by transgender individuals needs to be changed or they need to keep enforcing the rules as they stand. A half measure such as this simply adds obfuscation and confusion to a system which requires rigidity to survive.


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General George Washington had many problems to handle. This wasn’t one of them.

rbj on February 17, 2015 at 9:42 AM

They are killing our military…. Sure let the guy/girl on some jacked up hormones serve in a war zone. Ugh// The Army/military is NOT an inclusive feel good organization. If it was fat people, blind people etc. could serve. The military was meant to blow up and kill $h7t, not fix some young soldiers self-esteem and mental problems.

melle1228 on February 17, 2015 at 9:42 AM

‘Transgender’?
No such effing thing
XX=female.
XY=male.
One doesn’t get to pick.
The military has been turned into some gosh darned social experiment!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 17, 2015 at 9:43 AM

This gets more complicated because as things currently stand, “transgender individuals” are still barred from serving in the Army, but Leavenworth is only for service members. How are they going to square that conflict?

Stop the “gender therapy”, taxpayers aren’t on the hook for this idiot to get breast implants and have his junk lopped-off. If Manning ever gets out of prison THEN he can do whatever the hell he wants on his own dime.

Or send him to another prison such as Chino, Folsom, or Rikers.

There. Problem solved.

Bishop on February 17, 2015 at 9:46 AM

Hey Jazz: That traitor’s first name is BRADLEY-not ‘Chelsea’.
Call him that!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 17, 2015 at 9:46 AM

This smells of a policy which was cooked up by someone who doesn’t really understand how the military works. The Army operates on consistency and black and white rules which are enforced uniformly across the ranks. Doing otherwise cripples the institution.

Now you understand the liberal motivations…

dominigan on February 17, 2015 at 9:46 AM

Bishop on February 17, 2015 at 9:46 AM

Tricare wouldn’t even pay for my tummy tuck which I got because I had eight abdominal surgeries, several of them hernia repairs. A tummy tuck would have allowed the doctor to stich the muscles, but yet we are going to be paying thousands of dollars on soldiers validating their mental illness..

melle1228 on February 17, 2015 at 9:48 AM

Cultural rot.

artist on February 17, 2015 at 9:49 AM

The American People should not be saddled with the expense of “chopadickoffomy” operations for queer TRAITORS.

An orange jumpsuit and 3 servings of bread and water a day is all he should get.

ConstantineXI on February 17, 2015 at 9:53 AM

Act before thinking things through….normal MO

cmsinaz on February 17, 2015 at 9:53 AM

Hey Jazz: That traitor’s first name is BRADLEY-not ‘Chelsea’.
Call him that!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 17, 2015 at 9:46 AM

That’s funny, I thought the traitor’s first name was Barry. Barry Sotero.

Happy Nomad on February 17, 2015 at 9:55 AM

This smells of a policy which was cooked up by someone who doesn’t really understand how the military works. The Army operates on consistency and black and white rules which are enforced uniformly across the ranks. Doing otherwise cripples the institution.

Now you understand the liberal motivations…

dominigan on February 17, 2015 at 9:46 AM

Which is why we need to return to State Militias, because the Standing Army in a generation of this won’t be able to cope even with THE FRENCH…

ConstantineXI on February 17, 2015 at 9:55 AM

That’s funny, I thought the traitor’s first name was Barry. Barry Sotero.

Happy Nomad on February 17, 2015 at 9:55 AM

Barry Soetoro AKA B. HUSSEIN O.

ConstantineXI on February 17, 2015 at 9:56 AM

What kind of social engineering is this BS? No way should we be paying for this freak show to get anything more than regular medical treatment. So now it’s up to some high ranking civilian to okay a discharge for a tranny? Nothing like keeping things at the lowest level.

major dad on February 17, 2015 at 9:57 AM

‘Transgender’?
No such effing thing
XX=female.
XY=male.
One doesn’t get to pick.
The military has been turned into some gosh darned social experiment!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 17, 2015 at 9:43 AM

Hey Jazz: That traitor’s first name is BRADLEY-not ‘Chelsea’.
Call him that!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 17, 2015 at 9:46 AM

I am of the mindset that a person can choose what name he would like to go by and that should be honored as a matter of respect. Names are made up and chosen all the time.

But I also believe that a person can’t choose what sex he or she is and therefore he or she also can’t pick the pronoun. That’s just a violation of empirical evidence and truth.

So we can call “Bradley”, “Chelsea” but he is still a he and will always be a he, even if he mutilates his body into something else.

jr.ewing.78 on February 17, 2015 at 9:59 AM

We’re supposed to shut up about Plastic Surgery, but
talk about this sh*t?

ToddPA on February 17, 2015 at 10:01 AM

Bradley needs some horizontal reassignment. It’s called a firing squad.

Krupnikas on February 17, 2015 at 10:03 AM

This is BS on SO many levels…

Newtie and the Beauty on February 17, 2015 at 10:08 AM

This smells of a policy which was cooked up by someone who doesn’t really understand how the military works.

Well that pretty much sums up the current administration.

Hey! Use it as a recruiting tool! “Yo! Can’t afford sexual reassignment? Well it’s only a heart beat away! Enlist today! Let the taxpayer fund the necessary procedures!”

Good times! Good times!

GarandFan on February 17, 2015 at 10:11 AM

But if that’s the case, then under standing protocol Manning would have to be discharged.

I think Manning got a Dishonorable Discharge. He’s not in the military any longer, his incarceration is totally different.

TulsAmerican on February 17, 2015 at 10:14 AM

Mornin’ all you Tea Gabbers…:-)

elvis lives on February 17, 2015 at 10:19 AM

Another site said the biggest problem for recruiters finding enlistees was obesity. haha. Maybe they’re looking in the wrong place.

Kissmygrits on February 17, 2015 at 10:19 AM

Newtie…BS+SO=BO :-(

elvis lives on February 17, 2015 at 10:20 AM

Keep them…move them to a battle front with ISIS and let them prove their worth. They would be perfect ground troops against ISIS.

Karmi on February 17, 2015 at 10:27 AM

Keep them…move them to a battle front with ISIS and let them prove their worth. They would be perfect ground troops against ISIS.

Karmi on February 17, 2015 at 10:27 AM

That would be their only use in the military.

ConstantineXI on February 17, 2015 at 10:36 AM

0bama’s America…

“We just make crap up as we go along.”

WhirledPeas on February 17, 2015 at 10:39 AM

I’m awaiting the day when all military members will be REQUIRED to be LGBTQ’s, transgenders, and every kind of deviant imaginable. Men who id as men and women who id as women need not apply.

vnvet on February 17, 2015 at 10:39 AM

“‘Transgender’?
No such effing thing
XX=female.
XY=male.
One doesn’t get to pick.”

Not true. 1:1000 male births are estimated to suffer from KlineFelter’s syndrome — xxy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome

It’s not the only possible condition. There’s also Turner Syndrome (XO), Mosaicism, Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia (CAH), Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (AIS), 5-ARD, and Genital malformation .

http://www.transchristians.org/intersex/intersex-conditions

So it’s a bit more complicated than just XX = female, XY = male.

Parents confronted with this don’t always have the luxury of waiting till the child grows up to assign a gender, so they make their best guess. Then the kid grows up and doesn’t agree with mom and dad’s choice.

Sometimes, the decision is made a lot earlier.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/san-diego-parents-reveal-story-transgender-daughter-boy-5-article-1.1811066

I’m not exactly sure how this applies to the military. I would expect a transsexual person to pick a gender and stick with it throughout their service. Manning is a poor spokesperson for the phenemonon and I see the continued outcry for medical operations to be a cry for attention.

The two factors I can see of concern are unit discipline and medical support. If the person sticks to the gender they chose and doesn’t have any exceptional medical needs, it shouldn’t be an issue.

pendell2 on February 17, 2015 at 10:46 AM

On this, the president would interrupt a golf game to intervene, fer sure.

jake49 on February 17, 2015 at 10:55 AM

Disgusting.

tanked59 on February 17, 2015 at 10:56 AM

The two factors I can see of concern are unit discipline and medical support. If the person sticks to the gender they chose and doesn’t have any exceptional medical needs, it shouldn’t be an issue.

They all need hormone replacement to maintain their delusions of being some other sex than that they were born, and said replacements are not what you would call standard items in a 68W’s or 8404’s aid bag, hence they all have exceptional medical needs. Don’t even try the argument that they can just stay in the rear with the gear.

F X Muldoon on February 17, 2015 at 11:09 AM

The modern left turns everything it touches into a freak show.

RBMN on February 17, 2015 at 11:21 AM

Obama should use them as yard markers on the golf course

elvis lives on February 17, 2015 at 11:42 AM

“Instead of being made by lower-level Army officers, the memorandum says, the decision to discharge transgender soldiers would be made by the assistant secretary of the Army for Personnel, Ms. Ali Blabbah, the former Mr. Ali Blabbah.”

dockywocky on February 17, 2015 at 11:56 AM

A relief for Lt. Bruce Jenner…

right2bright on February 17, 2015 at 12:00 PM

I think Manning got a Dishonorable Discharge. He’s not in the military any longer, his incarceration is totally different.

TulsAmerican on February 17, 2015 at 10:14 AM

he is actually in until time served at which time the dishonorable comes into play.
people imprisoned under ucmj are basically in stasis until prison time served.

dmacleo on February 17, 2015 at 12:18 PM

the government’s decision to allow Chelsea Manning, currently residing in Leavenworth, to undergo hormone therapy for “gender reassignment” treatment.

Who pays for this? sounds like coddling a criminal to me — punish, don’t coddle

loveyouall on February 17, 2015 at 12:30 PM

Are they going to be able to supply hormones to all these soldiers in a war zone? If not then the soldiers cannot be deployed. Soldiers who cannot be deployed are of no use to the military.

sherrimae on February 17, 2015 at 12:36 PM

Good lord . . . this poor sick-ass country is rotting away.

rplat on February 17, 2015 at 1:08 PM

And the medical grounds is for insanity.

sadatoni on February 17, 2015 at 2:35 PM

Leftists hate the military. Plain and simple. And no them having served does not change that reality.

1redshirtxlg on February 17, 2015 at 2:47 PM

Almost all of the transgender furor has its roots in psychiatrists and psychologists enabling the “transgendered” instead of treating their underlying psychological problems.

DSM has been taken over by the left.

slp on February 17, 2015 at 3:45 PM

Decisions on removing transgender soldiers from Army moving to federal level
POSTED AT 9:31 AM ON FEBRUARY 17, 2015 BY JAZZ SHAW

It’s the United States Army, for gods sake! What other level should it be at? Oh, I know the city court of ferguson Missouri? Or maybe the traffic court of Sand Springs, Oklahoma. I can not fathom the abject stupidity of Jazz Shaw or the HA readers. Even the Army courts are “Federal Courts.”

Old Country Boy on February 17, 2015 at 4:56 PM

Even the Army courts are “Federal Courts.”

Yes, in that they belong to the federal government, no in that the appellate court for military courts is The United States Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces which is in turn part Fedeal Court system that comprises the Judicial Branch which is that to which Herr Shaw would be referring.

F X Muldoon on February 17, 2015 at 5:15 PM

Stop the “gender therapy”, taxpayers aren’t on the hook for this idiot to get breast implants and have his junk lopped-off. If Manning ever gets out of prison THEN he can do whatever the hell he wants on his own dime.

Or send him to another prison such as Chino, Folsom, or Rikers.

There. Problem solved.

Bishop on February 17, 2015 at 9:46 AM

The prisons at Guantanamo, Benghazi, and Tilanqiao also work.

When you go to prison, you don’t get to pursue your own life choices.

landlines on February 17, 2015 at 6:43 PM

Almost all of the transgender furor has its roots in psychiatrists and psychologists enabling the “transgendered” instead of treating their underlying psychological problems.

DSM has been taken over by the left.

slp on February 17, 2015 at 3:45 PM

Wiki:

There is academic concern over the low quality of the evidence supporting the efficacy of sex reassignment therapy as treatment for gender identity disorder, but more robust studies are impractical to carry out;[3]:22 as well, there exists a broad clinical consensus, supplementing the academic research, that supports the effectiveness in terms of subjective improvement of sex reassignment therapy in appropriately selected patients.[3]:2–3 Treatment of gender identity disorder does not involve attempting to correct the patient’s gender identity, but to help the patient adapt.[1]:1568

And this:

This equally marginalized, and often invisible, group comprises somewhere between 3% – 10% of the United States population. (Ettner, 1999). They are the transgendered – persons whose gender identity and/or biological sex in some way transgresses the societal norm.

The percentage volunteering to enlist has got to be even lower.
Why are we even considering “accommodating” this minuscule number of people to the detriment of the services?

AesopFan on February 17, 2015 at 9:53 PM