Obama administration stonewalls FOIA request on IRS targeting scandal

posted at 10:01 am on February 10, 2015 by Ed Morrissey

It has been almost two years since the exposure of the IRS efforts to target conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status, and their donors. In the meantime, the Obama administration has done exactly nothing to hold IRS personnel accountable for their actions. The Department of Justice and the Treasury’s Inspector General (TIGTA) claims to be conducting investigations into the matter, but have not talked with the victims of the targeting scheme, or much of anything else, either.

Well, that’s not entirely true. They have stonewalled the media and its attempts to look into the scandal, including The Hill:

The Hill asked for 2013 emails and other correspondence between the IRS and the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA). The request specifically sought emails from former IRS official Lois Lerner and Treasury officials, including Secretary Jack Lew, while the inspector general was working on its explosive May 2013 report that the IRS used “inappropriate criteria” to review the political activities of tax-exempt groups.

TIGTA opted not to release any of the 512 documents covered by the request, citing various exemptions in the law. The Hill recently appealed the FOIA decision, but TIGTA denied the appeal. TIGTA also declined to comment for this article.

In its written response to The Hill, TIGTA cited FOIA exemptions ranging from interagency communication to personal privacy. It also claimed it cannot release relevant documents “when interference with the law enforcement proceedings can be reasonably expected.”

Yet, congressional Republicans say there is no evidence of any prosecution in the works, and media outlets have indicated that the Department of Justice and the FBI have already determined that no charges will be filed.

There isn’t much to add to this, except to note that the stall continues. If there is an investigation going on, it’s so secret as to surprise even the victims for whom the probe would provide justice. It’s managed to avoid any notice on Capitol Hill, where Republicans have been looking for it almost ever since the exposure of the targeting in May 2013 — after years of denials from IRS officials that it was taking place at all. Give The Hill credit for filing the FOIA request, though, because most other media outlets have taken their cues from Barack Obama and gave up on what they consider a “phony scandal.”

The IRS wants to warn consumers this tax season about scammers targeting taxpayers:

Maybe Congress should warn Treasury and Justice about scammers pretending to be investigators rather than pawns in a stalling game for the White House. Now that the GOP has control of the Senate, they can haul a few officials up to Capitol Hill and demand those same documents that The Hill couldn’t pry loose, and see what this investigation has taken 20 months doing, exactly.


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Repeal and don’t replace the IRS.

ConstantineXI on February 10, 2015 at 10:03 AM

Surprise!

Star Bird on February 10, 2015 at 10:05 AM

Just so you know, we filed our tax return via TurboTax on 1/31 and got our refund through direct deposit the following Friday. 6 freaking days later. So that lying weasel, Koskinen, can go Fluke himself when he says that IRS budget cuts will affect the timeframe in which people get their refunds. A damn computer system is doing all the work, John. You don’t need anymore money wasted on salaries for crooked employees.

Doughboy on February 10, 2015 at 10:07 AM

Cut off all funding for IRS until they comer clean.

Cut off all funding for DoJ, and immediately stop confirmation hearings and vote of AG-designee Lynch until Holder comes clean, with documentation.

Cut off all funding for DHS and ODNI until both come clean.

Likewise, NSA.

THAT is the job and well within the purview of Congress.

IF we actually had a Congress that understood its Constitutional responsibilities, that is.

coldwarrior on February 10, 2015 at 10:07 AM

Repeal and don’t replace the IRS.

ConstantineXI on February 10, 2015 at 10:03 AM

America got along without an income tax from 1776 to 1913. It can get along without it again.

Star Bird on February 10, 2015 at 10:07 AM

IRS is so thoroughly corrupt now there’s only one way to fix it: Shut It Down.

Replace with fair tax, flat tax, or user tax.

petefrt on February 10, 2015 at 10:08 AM

Flat tax. Shut down the IRS.

gwelf on February 10, 2015 at 10:09 AM

Flat tax, NO exemptions and EVERYONE pays something. Cut the IRS by 90% – all in administration. Oh, and unicorns don’t have to pay anything.

vnvet on February 10, 2015 at 10:11 AM

Flat tax, NO exemptions and EVERYONE pays something. Cut the IRS by 90% – all in administration. Oh, and unicorns don’t have to pay anything.

vnvet on February 10, 2015 at 10:11 AM

Yep. With an “alternative minimum tax” of $100 if you didn’t pay that much or more during the year. EVERYONE has to have skin in the game.

ConstantineXI on February 10, 2015 at 10:13 AM

IRS is so thoroughly corrupt now there’s only one way to fix it: Shut It Down.

petefrt on February 10, 2015 at 10:08 AM

If not legislatively, then with massive civil disobedience. I’m prepared to do it. Are you?

Bat Chain Puller on February 10, 2015 at 10:13 AM

In the immortal words of Gomer Pyle- Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!

I guess the duck is too busy plotting how to sneak in a few more million filthy illegal aliens, how to legitimize same sex marriage as normal, and how to further erode this nations laws.

Happy Nomad on February 10, 2015 at 10:17 AM

Flat tax, NO exemptions and EVERYONE pays something. Cut the IRS by 90% – all in administration. Oh, and unicorns don’t have to pay anything.

vnvet on February 10, 2015 at 10:11 AM

See there you go. You lay out a perfectly reasonable and fair plan that causes the filthy parasites that vote for Obama to have to contribute something to society. But then you immediately carve out an exemption for a protected class.

Happy Nomad on February 10, 2015 at 10:19 AM

Now that the GOP has control of the Senate, they can haul a few officials up to Capitol Hill and demand those same documents that The Hill couldn’t pry loose, and see what this investigation has taken 20 months doing, exactly.

Want to take another crack at that closing? More Rothman ghostwriting?

BuckeyeSam on February 10, 2015 at 10:21 AM

Most (redacted) administration in history.

antipc on February 10, 2015 at 10:22 AM

America got along without an income tax from 1776 to 1913. It can get along without it again.

Star Bird on February 10, 2015 at 10:07 AM

Never going to happen. The IRS has become a defacto welfare agency for illegals and the poor. I know quite a few people who pay ZERO income tax throughout the year but get a sizable refund due to Earned Income and Child Care Credits.

Johnnyreb on February 10, 2015 at 10:23 AM

It has been almost two years since the exposure accusations of the IRS efforts to target conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status, and their donors. In the meantime, the Obama administration The GOP, led by Darrell Issa, has done exactly nothing to hold IRS personnel accountable for their actions has failed to provide anything substantive that would lend credence to these accusations. Faced with an absence of evidence despite the troves of material they’ve been given, they provide only conspiracy theories in which such evidence must have been hidden.
They have managed to reveal the shocking truth that Lois Lerner once referred to someone as an ‘a$$hole’. And it is indeed true that the Obama administration has failed to wash her mouth out with soap.

(Meanwhile, for all the passion, concern and righteousness, nobody seems to mind the utter b.s. tax protections for disingenuous 501c3 orgs.
If you wanna see some stonewalling, try going down that path.)

verbaluce on February 10, 2015 at 10:24 AM

The first candidate to stand up for smaller government will win the GOP nomination and the presidency.

Tater Salad on February 10, 2015 at 10:25 AM

The Republican leadership should have had the obama administration in court long ago about all of the unproduced scandal documents.
Our tough guys like Issa failed across the board.

GaltBlvnAtty on February 10, 2015 at 10:26 AM

Never going to happen. The IRS has become a defacto welfare agency for illegals and the poor. I know quite a few people who pay ZERO income tax throughout the year but get a sizable refund due to Earned Income and Child Care Credits.

Johnnyreb on February 10, 2015 at 10:23 AM

I’ve never understood how you can get a “refund” when you are a 100% moocher in the first place. Call it what it is- a bonus for breeding the next generation of parasites for the Democrat Party.

And let’s remember that the IRS is going to pay retroactive EIC bonuses to the illegals once they get their green cards.

Happy Nomad on February 10, 2015 at 10:26 AM

Just more of that transparency and draining the swamp we heard so much about years ago.

Bishop on February 10, 2015 at 10:27 AM

Repeal and don’t replace the IRS 16th Amendment.

ConstantineXI on February 10, 2015 at 10:03 AM

FIFY

GWB on February 10, 2015 at 10:29 AM

The Republicans will not do anything about it. They will just rollover like they always do. If it was a Conservative President they probably would impeach. Gutless traitors to our nation. Done with the Republicans.

jonnyc on February 10, 2015 at 10:30 AM

It has been almost two years since the exposure accusations of the IRS efforts to target conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status, and their donors. In the meantime, the Obama administration The GOP, led by Darrell Issa, has done exactly nothing to hold IRS personnel accountable for their actions has failed to provide anything substantive that would lend credence to these accusations. Faced with an absence of evidence despite the troves of material they’ve been given, they provide only conspiracy theories in which such evidence must have been hidden.
They have managed to reveal the shocking truth that Lois Lerner once referred to someone as an ‘a$$hole’. And it is indeed true that the Obama administration has failed to wash her mouth out with soap.

(Meanwhile, for all the passion, concern and righteousness, nobody seems to mind the utter b.s. tax protections for disingenuous 501c3 orgs.
If you wanna see some stonewalling, try going down that path.)

verbaluce on February 10, 2015 at 10:24 AM

You must have memory loss. Because you’ve been schooled on every one of these IRS corruption threads from the very beginning. You’ve been confronted with the FACTS. With the specifics of the actual crimes committed, testimony by IRS officials that crimes were committed (and not remembering who was responsible) and all the rest of it.
And yet, each and every new IRS corruption thread you jump in pretending that nothing has ever been said on the matter.
You have severe memory loss or a fascist shill.

gwelf on February 10, 2015 at 10:30 AM

The most ███████████ administration ever.

Jason58 on February 10, 2015 at 10:31 AM

Obama and his jackass administration actually believe they are above the law . . . this must stop.

rplat on February 10, 2015 at 10:33 AM

(Meanwhile, for all the passion, concern and righteousness, nobody seems to mind the utter b.s. tax protections for disingenuous 501c3 orgs.

verbaloon on February 10, 2015 at 10:24 AM

Does that include 501(c)19 and 501(c)29?

(Starts 30 acre field of snowdials)

Del Dolemonte on February 10, 2015 at 10:34 AM

verbaluce on February 10, 2015 at 10:24 AM

Hey, verbaluce, since the FBI and the DOJ haven’t even bothered to talk to the victims of the crimes maybe you can point us to the details of the investigation Obama conducted and relied on to go from “this is outrageous and will be fully investigated” to “not a smidge of corruption”.

gwelf on February 10, 2015 at 10:35 AM

You would still need an IRS to administer a flat tax. It could be a lot smaller, though, if we eliminated the corporate tax.

Count to 10 on February 10, 2015 at 10:36 AM

(Meanwhile, for all the passion, concern and righteousness, nobody seems to mind the utter b.s. tax protections for disingenuous 501c3 orgs.

verbaloon on February 10, 2015 at 10:24 AM

Does that include 501(c)19 and 501(c)29?

(Starts 30 acre field of snowdials)

Del Dolemonte on February 10, 2015 at 10:34 AM

It’s amazing how consistent verb has been on this. Every single thread he denies new information and all the facts.

Every single one.

Claims that lefty groups were targeted too? Yeah, when that was shown to be completely false he denied it. And you can go on down the line with every aspect of this issue.

gwelf on February 10, 2015 at 10:37 AM

If this was a “phony, made-up by RAAAACIST Republicans” scandal, as Odoooshbag claims it is…then why is the WHouse stonewalling..??

Pelosi Schmelosi on February 10, 2015 at 10:38 AM

You would still need an IRS to administer a flat tax. It could be a lot smaller, though, if we eliminated the corporate tax.

Count to 10 on February 10, 2015 at 10:36 AM

It should still be eliminated.

And an entirely new agency with much more limited powers created instead. Start from the ground up.

gwelf on February 10, 2015 at 10:39 AM

verbaluce on February 10, 2015 at 10:24 AM

Sorry, I interrupted your lying. Please go on…
Tlaloc on October 16, 2014 at 9:27 PM

Pelosi Schmelosi on February 10, 2015 at 10:40 AM

verbaluce on February 10, 2015 at 10:24 AM

Koskinen? Is that you?

trigon on February 10, 2015 at 10:41 AM

(Meanwhile, for all the passion, concern and righteousness, nobody seems to mind the utter b.s. tax protections for disingenuous 501c3 orgs.
If you wanna see some stonewalling, try going down that path.)

verbaluce on February 10, 2015 at 10:24 AM

Shorter interpretation: So what, they deserved it.

Amazing that the IRS only went after the disingenuous 501c3 organizations that were “conservative” ones.

Your position is the reason the IRS is in this mess in the first place. People taking your position (most notably Dem Congressmen/Senators) cried to the IRS to “do something”, and the IRS did something outside of their legal authority.

How many Democratic bills were introduced to go after the tax protections and change the law? There was no serious push for this, because it wouldn’t have allowed them to only single out their political opponents.

Ends justify the means and all that.

airupthere on February 10, 2015 at 10:44 AM

Obama will go down in history as the worst President in so many different categories and for so many different reasons.

albill on February 10, 2015 at 10:44 AM

That old IRS bag took the 5th because…well because there is nothing to hide.

Nothing says “government transparency” quite like refusing to testify.

Bishop on February 10, 2015 at 10:46 AM

Not to worry! The same folks who “investigated” Benghazi and Fast and Furious have tackled the IRS scandal.

Don’t be surprised if the results of the “investigation” are the same.

GarandFan on February 10, 2015 at 10:54 AM

Now that the GOP has control of the Senate, they can haul a few officials up to Capitol Hill and demand those same documents that The Hill couldn’t pry loose, and see what this investigation has taken 20 months doing, exactly.

Ah, the smell of naiveté in the morning. Nothing quite like it.

Never going to happen. The IRS has become a defacto welfare agency for illegals and the poor. I know quite a few people who pay ZERO income tax throughout the year but get a sizable refund due to Earned Income and Child Care Credits.

Johnnyreb on February 10, 2015 at 10:23 AM

I’ve never understood how you can get a “refund” when you are a 100% moocher in the first place. Call it what it is- a bonus for breeding the next generation of parasites for the Democrat Party.

And let’s remember that the IRS is going to pay retroactive EIC bonuses to the illegals once they get their green cards.

Happy Nomad on February 10, 2015 at 10:26 AM

The answer is pretty straightforward – everyone else needs to stop paying their taxes. Adjust your W4 so that nothing is withheld, and file extension upon extension for your actual returns. Starve this motherf*cking corrupt beast, and stop letting them steal from us.

Midas on February 10, 2015 at 10:55 AM

You would still need an IRS to administer a flat tax. It could be a lot smaller, though, if we eliminated the corporate tax.

Count to 10 on February 10, 2015 at 10:36 AM

If it were flat, no exemptions, filed and paid electronically (or on a postcard for those unable) it could be done with a few hundred people in a central location.

Midas on February 10, 2015 at 10:58 AM

(Meanwhile, for all the passion, concern and righteousness, nobody seems to mind the utter b.s. tax protections for disingenuous 501c3 orgs.
If you wanna see some stonewalling, try going down that path.)

verbaluce on February 10, 2015 at 10:24 AM

What protections? The ones Lois Lerner gave them?

Explain her before you continue.

itsspideyman on February 10, 2015 at 10:59 AM

Meanwhile, for all the passion, concern and righteousness, nobody seems to mind the utter b.s. tax protections for disingenuous 501c3 orgs.
If you wanna see some stonewalling, try going down that path.)

verbaluce on February 10, 2015 at 10:24 AM

Like media matters or organizing for america?

verbaluce providing his daily reminder of what dishonest, worthless pieces of shit he and his fellow travelers are.

Thanks for the reminder shit for brains.

HumpBot Salvation on February 10, 2015 at 10:59 AM

If it were flat, no exemptions, filed and paid electronically (or on a postcard for those unable) it could be done with a few hundred people in a central location.

Midas on February 10, 2015 at 10:58 AM

You’d need more computers than agents.

ConstantineXI on February 10, 2015 at 11:00 AM

Like media matters or organizing for america?

verbaluce providing his daily reminder of what dishonest, worthless pieces of shit he and his fellow travelers are.

Thanks for the reminder shit for brains.

HumpBot Salvation on February 10, 2015 at 10:59 AM

Come on dude, obviously Obama’s political machine is worthy of tax-exempt status while True The Vote needs to have extraordinary scrutiny by multiple federal agencies and a perpetual delay on status. It’s just common sense.

gwelf on February 10, 2015 at 11:05 AM

It’s fun watching trolls go to bat for the IRS.

CurtZHP on February 10, 2015 at 11:05 AM

gwelf on February 10, 2015 at 10:30 AM

No memory loss involved. Just typical liberal willful ignorance from Verb. Most of liberalism is based on the same. It isn’t real if you just ignore it because the truth is what you say it is.

ghostwalker1 on February 10, 2015 at 11:07 AM

Time for the 0–10–100 Tax
No deductions, 10 percent on income, every person and corporation pays.

airupthere on February 10, 2015 at 11:07 AM

Abort this CORRUPT POS called the IRS! Just another tool for the “Moose Limb” to funnel YOUR MONEY to his PARASITE supporters!

Deacon on February 10, 2015 at 11:11 AM

Now that the GOP has control of the Senate, they can haul a few officials up to Capitol Hill and demand those same documents that The Hill couldn’t pry loose, and see what this investigation has taken 20 months doing, exactly.

LOL! The corrupt gopE has zero intentions of doing just that. The corrupt gop ELITES side with 0bama on this issue among many others.

“Small Government Conservatives” are their enemy.

This ain’t the party of Gruber.

Jayrae on February 10, 2015 at 11:13 AM

Brilliant strategy. They stonewall and drag things out while calling the investigation a partisan witch hunt. The ADD attention spans of Americans drift to another topic (Did u hear Kanye West leaped onstage during the grammies???) And suddenly the scandal goes away.

Jack_Burton on February 10, 2015 at 11:15 AM

It’s amazing how consistent verb has been on this. Every single thread he denies new information and all the facts.

Every single one.

Claims that lefty groups were targeted too? Yeah, when that was shown to be completely false he denied it. And you can go on down the line with every aspect of this issue.

gwelf on February 10, 2015 at 10:37 AM

Well you’re pretty consistent yourself.

Fact:
BOLO list included ‘Tea Party’ and ‘Occupy’.
Now, many many more Tea Party files pulled aside than Occupy.
Because?
Because?
That’s right, Tea Party groups vastly outnumber Occupy groups – it’s a much much larger and much much more well financed movement.

But let’s leave all that aside for a minute…
what is it you think the WH has done here?
Not in response to the allegations…but their participation in what’s been alleged?

verbaluce on February 10, 2015 at 11:26 AM

Arrest Lois Lerner using the House’s inherent contempt power. It is overdue.

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on February 10, 2015 at 11:28 AM

Expecting the Obama Administration to denounce government corruption is like expecting pimps to denounce prostitution.

RBMN on February 10, 2015 at 11:32 AM

That’s right, Tea Party groups vastly outnumber Occupy groups – it’s a much much larger and much much more well financed movement.

verbaluce on February 10, 2015 at 11:26 AM

Except a “movement” is not the same as an “organization”. You just acknowledged they took a look at conservative groups on a much larger scale than progressive groups.

GWB on February 10, 2015 at 11:33 AM

Well you’re pretty consistent yourself.

Fact:
BOLO list included ‘Tea Party’ and ‘Occupy’.
Now, many many more Tea Party files pulled aside than Occupy.
Because?
Because?
That’s right, Tea Party groups vastly outnumber Occupy groups – it’s a much much larger and much much more well financed movement.

But let’s leave all that aside for a minute…
what is it you think the WH has done here?
Not in response to the allegations…but their participation in what’s been alleged?

verbaluce on February 10, 2015 at 11:26 AM

Typical dishonest verbaluce response.
I have been consistent in pushing the facts.
And your BOLO list comments is full of half-truths. A lot of lefty groups got status and got it quickly. Even if you want to argue proportionality you’re still in trouble because tea party groups were disproportionately targeted.
And you’re dodging.
I don’t know or have a theory as to what the WH specifically did. Though a top IRS official went to the WH an astonishing number of times but can only recall he went for the Easter egg hunt. But this is a complete dodge.
Lerner and others at the IRS are corrupt and they committed crimes.
Where’s Obama investigation that convinced him nothing was going on? He started out blaming a branch office in Cincinnati and when that fell apart…?

gwelf on February 10, 2015 at 11:34 AM

Don’t worry, though.

They will be COMPUHLEETLY neutral and even handed when FCC treats the internet as if it were a public utility.

I’m sure access to conservative websites will be unencumbered.

/Obvious sarcasm

kurtzz3 on February 10, 2015 at 11:35 AM

That’s right, Tea Party groups vastly outnumber Occupy groups – it’s a much much larger and much much more well financed movement.

But let’s leave all that aside for a minute…

verbaluce on February 10, 2015 at 11:26 AM

Let’s not leave that aside for a minute.

Tea Party groups vastly outnumber Occupy groups?

Can you explain to us how that reconciles with Occupy’s uneducated 99% vs. 1% rhetoric?

Star Bird on February 10, 2015 at 11:37 AM

Fact:
BOLO list included ‘Tea Party’ and ‘Occupy’.
Now, many many more Tea Party files pulled aside than Occupy.
Because?
Because?
That’s right, Tea Party groups vastly outnumber Occupy groups – it’s a much much larger and much much more well financed movement.

But let’s leave all that aside for a minute…
what is it you think the WH has done here?
Not in response to the allegations…but their participation in what’s been alleged?

verbaluce on February 10, 2015 at 11:26 AM

Fact:

The ows types were quickly reviewed and approved while Tea Party groups were delayed on average 2 years or more.

Because?

Because?

And when ows was in it’s heyday..zero scrutiny.

But let’s leave that aside for a moment.

So why do you think the WH is withholding information? It would seem that obama who promised the most transparent administration in history would DEMAND the release of these documents. If it was a R administration you would be screaming for the release of the documents and screaming about a cover-up. So GFY, you dishonest hack.

HumpBot Salvation on February 10, 2015 at 11:39 AM

By the way..

Is anyone else having problems with this website crashing IExplorer?

The autostarting advertising have rendered this page unusable beyond about 30 seconds.

(Windows 7, 16gb memory)

kurtzz3 on February 10, 2015 at 11:42 AM

The wrong guys are being pursued by Congress.

Don’t call the IRS executives. Call the nerds from IT services. Show them what perjury means, then ask them the hard questions.

“Where are Lerners’ emails?”

BobMbx on February 10, 2015 at 11:43 AM

verbaluce on February 10, 2015 at 11:26 AM

Reading assignment:

WASHINGTON — The Internal Revenue Service did flag tax-exempt applications from liberal groups for extra attention, but they did not receive the same scrutiny as did those from Tea Party groups, according to the inspector general who investigated the IRS targeting.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/27/ways-and-means-irs-werfel-tea-party/2461573/

tanked59 on February 10, 2015 at 11:49 AM

GFY

HumpBot Salvation on February 10, 2015 at 11:39 AM

Good for you, too!

verbaluce on February 10, 2015 at 11:57 AM

Good for you, too!

verbaluce on February 10, 2015 at 11:57 AM

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is how verticaldouche cuts and runs.

NapaConservative on February 10, 2015 at 11:59 AM

verbaluce on February 10, 2015 at 11:26 AM

IRS targeting began in March of 2010 after the Citizens United SC decision.

Occupy did not exist prior to September of 2011.

The targeting of conservative groups had already begun prior to the existence of the occupy groups you claim were targeted as well.

airupthere on February 10, 2015 at 11:59 AM

Flat tax. Shut down the IRS.

gwelf on February 10, 2015 at 10:09 AM

Ok.
And no deductions.
Of course, you’d be raising taxes on many billionaires with that –
but if you’re closing loopholes as well…I’m in.
(The latter part makes it a non-starter for GOP/cons, you know…right?)

verbaluce on February 10, 2015 at 12:07 PM

It has been almost two years since the exposure accusations of the IRS efforts to target conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status, and their donors. In the meantime, the Obama administration The GOP, led by Darrell Issa, has done exactly nothing to hold IRS personnel accountable for their actions has failed to provide anything substantive that would lend credence to these accusations.

verbaluce on February 10, 2015 at 10:24 AM

Uh….hey moron, this whole thing was started when the IRS officials in question held a press conference and ADMITTED THIER WRONGDOING!

And then your messiah contradicted them by saying there wasn’t a smidgeon of corruption.

One of them was lying, obviously.

Now, if obama’s not the liar, then why withhold any evidence at all, since it was all above board and perfectly ethical?

Oh, right….because they broke the law yet again and you’re too stupid to see what’s right in front of your face. That can be the only explanation.

runawayyyy on February 10, 2015 at 12:09 PM

Oh, right….because they broke the law yet again and you’re too stupid to see what’s right in front of your face. That can be the only explanation.

runawayyyy on February 10, 2015 at 12:09 PM

He’s not stupid. It’s just blind allegiance to the rat-eared SCOAMF in the WH because of his skin color.

That’s how racists roll. Simple.

He’ll never come around. Ever.

NapaConservative on February 10, 2015 at 12:15 PM

verbaluce on February 10, 2015 at 11:26 AM

Here is a brief and not all inclusive timeline since you are being so generous with your “facts” about occupy being targeted.

March 2010, targeting of conservative groups begins.

June 2010, Lois Lerner discovers targeting, orders criteria changed immediately to not target specific partisan groups and should be more generic.

May 2010, new BOLO list developed in Cincinatti Office. Sent out in August to other IRS officials. Originally only targeted conservatives, expanded over time to include “progressive” and “occupy”. However; list as of May and August 2010 absolutely did not contain “occupy” as it did not exist yet. List evolved over time to appear non-partisan.

June 2011, TIGTA notifies Lerner of the issues identified that woudl be coming in their report about targeting.

September 2011, occupy Begins.

January 2012, criteria for targeting changed again to focus on conservative groups interested in limiting expanding government and also groups focusing on the Constitution or Bill of Rights.

May 2012, BOLO lists and specific targeting officially ended.

May 2013, In hopes of getting ahead of TIGTA Audit report on political targeting of conservative groups, Lois Lerner plants question about targeting. TIGTA report becomes pulbic. Scandal breaks loose.

Dem responses at the time:
MAx Baucus: IRS targeting of conservatives was an

“Outrageous abuse of power”

Joe Manchin: IRS targeting of conservatives was

“Un-American”

President Obama: “

So we’ll wait and see what exactly all the details and the facts are, but I’ve got no patience with it. I will not tolerate it. And we’ll make sure that we find out exactly what happened on this.”

airupthere on February 10, 2015 at 12:21 PM

Ok.
And no deductions.
Of course, you’d be raising taxes on many billionaires with that –
but if you’re closing loopholes as well…I’m in.
(The latter part makes it a non-starter for GOP/cons, you know…right?)

verbaluce on February 10, 2015 at 12:07 PM

Actually it makes it a non-starter for your masters in the democrat party as well. But of course you’re so dishonest you’d never admit it.

HumpBot Salvation on February 10, 2015 at 12:32 PM

Ok.
And no deductions.
Of course, you’d be raising taxes on many billionaires with that –
but if you’re closing loopholes as well…I’m in.
(The latter part makes it a non-starter for GOP/cons, you know…right?)

verbaluce on February 10, 2015 at 12:07 PM

Ted Cruz is a member of the GOP and has immense support from cons:

“We ought to abolish the IRS and instead move to a simple flat tax,” Cruz said on Fox News over the weekend.

“Put down how much you earn, put down a deduction for charitable contributions, for home mortgage, and how much you owe,” he continued. “It ought to be just a simple, one-page postcard.”

airupthere on February 10, 2015 at 12:33 PM

verbaluce on February 10, 2015 at 12:07 PM

62 Percent of Americans Say They Favor a Flat Tax
They also say it is not the responsibility of the government to reduce the differences in income between people

airupthere on February 10, 2015 at 12:35 PM

Fact:
BOLO list included ‘Tea Party’ and ‘Occupy’.
Now, many many more Tea Party files pulled aside than Occupy.

verbaluce on February 10, 2015 at 11:26 AM

Well, if there was a legitimate reason to give “special treatment” to those groups, wouldn’t you think that they would prove their innocence by full disclosure – rather than by stonewalling, like they are now?

Why would the IRS violate the law (in this case, by ignoring the Freedom of Information act) unless there was a greater violation of the law, that they were trying to hide?

SubmarineDoc on February 10, 2015 at 12:45 PM

If the White House were not implicated, we could see these documents yesterday. This must be worse than Nixon muttering out loud about the IRS …(Nixon:)

“endeavored to obtain from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposes not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigation to be initiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner.”

Fleuries on February 10, 2015 at 12:53 PM

If it were flat, no exemptions, filed and paid electronically (or on a postcard for those unable) it could be done with a few hundred people in a central location.

Midas on February 10, 2015 at 10:58 AM

You’d need more computers than agents.

ConstantineXI on February 10, 2015 at 11:00 AM

No payroll deductions either. Everyone file monthly or quarterly Everyone needs to know personal what the government takes.

wifarmboy on February 10, 2015 at 1:18 PM

I agree that we the Republicans should reduce the IRS another 10%, and ask them if that will help them supply the information Congress has required of them. When they say “No”, ask them if a 20% cut would do. Keep uping the ante, until the only people left are those who are busy complying…

ReggieA on February 10, 2015 at 2:21 PM

Repeal and don’t replace the IRS.

ConstantineXI on February 10, 2015 at 10:03 AM

Like Thomas Sowell’s answer to the “What would you replace it with?” question concerning ObamaCare:

When you put out a fire, what do you replace it with?”

GrumpyOldFart on February 10, 2015 at 2:52 PM

The BIG LIE:

“President Obama has committed to making his administration the most open and transparent in history…”

The TRUTH:

President Obama has made his administration the most SECRETIVE and ███████████ in history.

ITguy on February 10, 2015 at 10:40 PM