High horses and bull puckey: Professor Obama’s history lesson a dud

posted at 2:01 pm on February 6, 2015 by Ed Morrissey

If Barack Obama missed the incongruity of lecturing today’s Christians about their attachment to the Crusades and slavery while dismissing connections between Islam and ISIS, al-Qaeda, and other present threats from Islamist terror groups, he may have been the only one who did. Noah skewered it as “Voxplaining Islamist fundamentalism,” but it’s worse than that — and plenty of people noticed. The Washington Post reports on the blowback, with critics arguing that the President of the United States has more important tasks than finger-wagging about events from 600 or more years ago … like developing a national strategy to fight the threats in this century:

Obama’s remarks spoke to his unsparing, sometimes controversial, view of the United States — where triumphalism is often overshadowed by a harsh assessment of where Americans must try harder to live up to their own self-image. Only by admitting these shortcomings, he has argued, can we fix problems and move beyond them.

“There is a tendency in us, a sinful tendency, that can pervert and distort our faith,” he said at the breakfast.

But many critics believe that the president needs to focus more on enemies of the United States.

Russell Moore, president of the Southern Baptist Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, called Obama’s comments about Christianity “an unfortunate attempt at a wrongheaded moral comparison.”

What we need more is a “moral framework from the administration and a clear strategy for defeating ISIS,” he said, using an acronym for the Islamic State.

Also at the Post, Aaron Blake notices that Obama refuses to link Islam to present terrorism in the same way he linked Christianity to the Crusades and slavery, and that even Democrats are beginning to tire of it:

In the context of Obama’s long-standing remarks on Islam and terrorism, though, invoking the Crusades and the Inquisition are wholly unsurprising. What is more surprising is that he hasn’t done this sooner.

Obama, for the duration of his presidency, has forcefully tried to separate Islam from what terrorists who claim that faith do, in the name of it. The most striking example was in September, amid the growing threat of the Islamic State, when Obama declared not only that the terrorists were perverting their religion — as he has often said — but that they were actually “not Islamic” at all.

“No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of [the Islamic State’s] victims have been Muslim,” Obama said.

In recent weeks, Obama’s critics — and even some Democrats, such as Iraq war veteran Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii) — have cried foul that Obama will not refer to “radical Islam” or to terrorists as “Islamic radicals.”

Blake also points out that Obama’s losing the argument:

Americans used to sympathize more with Obama. But the rise of the Islamic State appears to be pushing things in the opposite direction. A Pew poll in September showed, for the first time, that 50 percent of Americans viewed Islam as more likely to encourage violence than other religions. Another 39 percent said it was not more likely to encourage violence.

It probably doesn’t help that the Crusades argument is nonsense anyway, Jonah Goldberg writes:

Obama’s right. Terrible things have been done in the name of Christianity. I have yet to meet a Christian who denies this.

But, as odd as it may sound for a guy named Goldberg to point it out, the Inquisition and the Crusades aren’t the indictments Obama thinks they are. For starters, the Crusades — despite their terrible organized cruelties — were a defensive war.

“The Crusades could more accurately be described as a limited, belated and, in the last analysis, ineffectual response to the jihad — a failed attempt to recover by a Christian holy war what had been lost to a Muslim holy war,” writes Bernard Lewis, the greatest living English-language historian of Islam. …

It is perverse that Obama feels compelled to lecture the West about not getting too judgmental on our “high horse” over radical Islam’s medieval barbarism in 2015 because of Christianity’s medieval barbarism in 1215.

It’s also insipidly hypocritical. President Obama can’t bring himself to call the Islamic State “Islamic,” but he’s happy to offer a sermon about Christianity’s alleged crimes at the beginning of the last millennium.

We are all descended from cavemen who broke the skulls of their enemies with rocks for fun or profit. But that hardly mitigates the crimes of a man who does the same thing today.

To further that point, author Brad Thor sent a link to this concise explanation of the context of the Crusades. If the President wanted to argue comparative religious development, says Jeff Dunetz, that might have been useful:

The President wasted what could have been a valuable lesson. If he had gone on to say, “Yes Christianity had done horrible things but it learned and evolved, and now Islam must do the same thing,” it would have been a brilliant and relevant lesson. Instead he seemed to excuse the violence by radical Muslims today because of the violence of Christians six to ten centuries ago. …

If the President had started with the Christian massacres and ended with saying, they moderated and now teach peace, and now Islam should do the same he would have made a magnificent point. Instead he made a political point that is being ridiculed on both sides of the aisle.

This came up during my show yesterday afternoon (skip ahead to ~25 minutes or so), and my take was similar to Russell Moore’s. The entire lecture was a non-sequitur, an academic dissertation in the middle of a war that President Obama wants to pretend isn’t happening. Even if Obama’s superficial and faddish take on the Crusades was accurate, how are the Crusades, the Inquisition, slavery, or Jim Crow (the latter two which ended largely because of Christian activism) relevant to the discussion of what’s happening now with ISIS?

I’ll make a deal with Obama. If he finds the people responsible for the Crusades, the Inquisition, or American slavery still alive and malicious, we’ll bomb them too. In the meantime, how about we start telling the truth about the Islamist terrorists who are right now literally enslaving young girls as sex objects, slaughtering anyone who doesn’t think like them, acquiring territory in the Middle East, and threatening attacks on the US and Europe? History professors can blather on ad nauseam about events 1,000 years ago, but Presidents are supposed to focus on the here and now. Skip the ignorant and hypocritical lectures, and do your job.

Michael Ramirez was unimpressed with the “high horse” history lecture, too:

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Also, be sure to check out Ramirez’ terrific collection of his works: Everyone Has the Right to My Opinion, which covers the entire breadth of Ramirez’ career, and it gives fascinating look at political history.  Read my review here, and watch my interviews with Ramirez here and here.  And don’t forget to check out the entire Investors.com site, which has now incorporated all of the former IBD Editorials, while individual investors still exist.


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When Muslims commit violence, in accordance with Islamic scripture, then they don’t represent the religion, but when Christians commit violence in disregard of Christian teachings they do represent the religion?

DFCtomm on February 6, 2015 at 6:55 PM

When Muslims commit violence, in accordance with Islamic scripture, then they don’t represent the religion, but when Christians commit violence 1,000 years ago in disregard of Christian teachings they do represent the religion?

DFCtomm on February 6, 2015 at 6:55 PM

:)

Brian1972 on February 6, 2015 at 6:58 PM

Astonishing to me that the trolls who like to bestow moral equivalency also love to excuse bad behavior by pointing out other bad behavior. That’s some genius logic for you all the way around.

ghostwalker1 on February 6, 2015 at 7:04 PM

Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent.

The opening lines of the call to prayer (the adhan) are
the Islamic confession of faith (the shahada).

When a person recites those words in Arabic,
the Muslim world sees that person as a Muslim.

ITguy on February 6, 2015 at 7:14 PM

But my journey is part of a larger journey- one shared by all who’ve ever sought to apply the values of their faith to our society. It’s a journey that takes us back to our nation’s founding, when none other than a UCC church inspired the Boston Tea Party and helped bring an Empire to its knees.

Barack Hussein Obama
June 23, 2007
http://web.archive.org/web/20080215012551/http://www.barackobama.com/2007/06/23/a_politics_of_conscience_1.php

By the words from Barack Hussein Obama’s own mouth, he bears witness that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.

By the words from Barack Hussein Obama’s own mouth, his journey is part of a larger journey, shared by all who’ve ever sought to apply the values of their faith to…bring an Empire to its knees.

ITguy on February 6, 2015 at 7:19 PM

So if Lyin Brian is eventually fired by NBC, will Obama hire him as his press secretary? Or maybe as the chief programmer for his teleprompter? If he does stay at NBC maybe he can do a series on how Christ and Mohammad were just like two peas in a pod just like Obama has said. So many possibilities.

VorDaj on February 6, 2015 at 7:27 PM

Obama’s own book, when sold in the world’s most populous Muslim nation, was given a title which was not a mere translation of the English title… instead, it was a title with a very different meaning:

“Assault Hope: From Jakarta to the White House”

Is the problem really that Obama refuses to understand the enemy?

Or, is the problem really that Obama fully understands them and SHARES THEIR GOALS?

ITguy on February 6, 2015 at 7:41 PM

If only our Dear Leader would put as much effort into defending our country today as so many Hot Arians put into defending our noble Crusader ancestors 1300 years ago.

Racistanyway on February 6, 2015 at 7:52 PM

I don’t need Imam Obysmal to define “sinful tendencies.” This fool is insufferable in his arrogance.

Meanwhile Susan Rice says, “All is well!”
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/232023-susan-rice-us-not-facing-existential-threats

onlineanalyst on February 6, 2015 at 7:58 PM

The entire lecture was a non-sequitur, an academic dissertation in the middle of a war that President Obama wants to pretend isn’t happening.

As my buddy in the Joint Strike Operations Command said..

He wants to pretend it isn’t happening because thanks to the massive deficit spending that he’s overseen, we cannot *afford* to go to war again.

Defenestratus on February 6, 2015 at 8:06 PM

As my buddy in the Joint Strike Operations Command said..

He wants to pretend it isn’t happening because thanks to the massive deficit spending that he’s overseen, we cannot *afford* to go to war again.

Defenestratus on February 6, 2015 at 8:06 PM

Indeed.

We are borrowing from China non-stop. So, you know, you, you, you probably, uh, everybody’s got a cousin, you know, who’s always like borrowing money. Right? You’ve got one of those, don’t you?

Aaand, you know, like, eh, eh, whenever they borrow money they always seem to have like a good reason for why they’re borrowing it. But, at some point you want to say to them, you know, “Why aren you not taking care of your business? Why are you always getting yourself in a jam?”

So you lose respect, right, for people who are like that. Well, that’s, to some degree, what we’ve been doing.

We, we are an indebted nation and that not only, uh, makes us more vulnerable, it weakens the dollar..

and remember this: there has never been a country in the world who saw it’s economy decline and was able to maintain it’s preeminence militarily.

– Barack Obama, 4/8/08

There’s never been a nation on Earth that saw it’s economy decline and continued to be the most powerful military power on Earth. That’s never happened.

– Barack Obama, 4/9/08

Having China as our banker isn’t good for our economy, it isn’t good for our global leadership, and it isn’t good for our national security.

History teaches us that for a nation to remain a preeminent military power, it must remain a preeminent economic power.

– Barack Obama, 5/20/08

Yes, Senator Obama said all of that.

He knows exactly what he’s doing.

ITguy on February 6, 2015 at 8:20 PM

In just 8 years with Harry Reid as Majority Leader (1/3/2007 – 1/3/2015):

1) Total Public Debt Outstanding more than doubled, from $8.7 to $18.1 Trillion.

2) Employment-Population Ratio dropped 4.2 points, from 63.4% to 59.2% employment. If we had 63.4% employment now, over 10 MILLION more people would be employed.

ITguy on February 6, 2015 at 8:23 PM

Obama is the consummate Leftist. He believes that Western Civilization in general, and the United States in particular, have been, and remain, the real axis of evil in the world. As the predominant religion of the West, Obama considers Christianity to be guilty by association. Obama and the Left view Israel as a surrogate of the United States and hence, guilty of imperialism, hegemony, oppression and fill in the blank with the usual leftist gobbletygook.
Obama is slowly but surely casting off the camouflage and revealing his true leftist colors. He will increasingly aid and abet our enemies.

justltl on February 6, 2015 at 8:28 PM

If only our Dear Leader would put as much effort into defending our country today as so many Hot Arians put into defending our noble Crusader ancestors 1300 years ago.

Racistanyway on February 6, 2015 at 7:52 PM

That’s funny.

Bigbullets on February 6, 2015 at 8:58 PM

While I seldom, if ever, agree with libfreeordie I wouldn’t wish that on him.

Oddly enough, he may believe that he could reason with them and find out that is not a possibility.

Neitherleftorright on February 6, 2015 at 5:59 PM

And neither would I.

But note the priorities. The fate the idiot’s troll’s supremely and all important above all else political special interest group would have if ISIS had its way are less than secondary. They are not even mentioned.

It is much more important that we endure further and unending lectures about things like the Crusades and Jim Crow.

farsighted on February 6, 2015 at 9:02 PM

If only our Dear Leader would put as much effort into defending our country today as so many Hot Arians put into defending our noble Crusader ancestors 1300 years ago.

Racistanyway on February 6, 2015 at 7:52 PM

Yeah, that would change everything.

farsighted on February 6, 2015 at 9:08 PM

Kimberly Guilfoyle on The Five this afternoon said it simply and completely: This is probably the worst thing he has ever said.

I’ve been fuming about it since I heard it almost 2 days ago. And I am an agnostic.

If ever there was doubt about his allegiance to America-as-we-know-it, can there be any doubt now?

The man is not just anti-Christian. He’s anti-Western. When it comes to America-as-we-know-it, he’s anti-that too.

petefrt on February 6, 2015 at 10:02 PM

When Muslims commit violence, in accordance with Islamic scripture, then they don’t represent the religion, but when Christians commit violence in disregard of Christian teachings they do represent the religion?

Bingo!

snoozinglion on February 6, 2015 at 10:17 PM

“I hope he fails.” – Rush

So do we.

IrishEyes on February 6, 2015 at 11:50 PM

Historians: obama is a dummy.

Schadenfreude on February 6, 2015 at 11:59 PM

Catholics are responsible for their Murderous Popes. They should all abandon the stupid religion where you eat the flesh of your triune God.

Mormontheman on February 7, 2015 at 12:04 AM

“Let’s keep slavery, because all practiced it for centuries” — obama logic

Schadenfreude on February 7, 2015 at 12:39 AM

I haven’t had time to read all the comments but here’s mine. If I’m repeating any of our learned colleagues’ comments, I apologize.

Barrack Hussein Obama is the dumbest man that ever walked the planet and that includes Neanderthals for which I now have greater respect.

He was never my President: Now, as far as I’m concerned, he is not even an American.

I resolve to listen to him, no more, forever.

Michael Harlin on February 7, 2015 at 1:30 AM

No mention that during the Crusades, the Roman Catholics and Orthodox hated each other as much as both hated the Muslims. There is more than one instance of Catholic monarchs making deals with the Ottomans against Orthodox rivals.

The situation in the Balkans was the most confused of all. Read up on Vlad Tepes.

Moron Labe on February 7, 2015 at 3:21 AM

Kimberly Guilfoyle on The Five this afternoon said it simply and completely: This is probably the worst thing he has ever said.

petefrt on February 6, 2015 at 10:02 PM

Agreed. It’s a rubik’s cube of badness. No matter which way you turn it, it keeps getting worse.

Also, Bob Beckel didn’t even try to defend this. He said he gets criticized by “his side” for not defending Obama–but “give me something to work with”. He thought it was terrible this was said at a prayer breakfast full of evangelicals, of all places.

Obama is an idiot. A florid idiot.

Grace_is_sufficient on February 7, 2015 at 3:40 AM

The entire lecture was a non-sequitur, an academic dissertation in the middle of a war that President Obama wants to pretend isn’t happening. Even if Obama’s superficial and faddish take on the Crusades was accurate, how are the Crusades, the Inquisition, slavery, or Jim Crow (the latter two which ended largely because of Christian activism) relevant to the discussion of what’s happening now with ISIS?

And you’re still being too nice.

It was a pedantic, condescending, inaccurate, irrelevant, and insulting lecture. Obama believes Christianity is just as bad as Islam because he’s a secular humanist at heart, but the fact of the matter is that the worst he can find in the past for Christianity was not done in the name of Christ at all.

Christianity spreads through evangelism, which is, at heart persuasion.

Islam spreads through force and conquest.

In order for people to make their moral equivalency arguments, they have to dig up wars that had nothing to do with advancing the Christian faith at all, or go running back to the claim that the Crusades were not merely defensive, but aggressive offensive actions.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 7, 2015 at 4:44 AM

He knows nothing of anything . . . what the hell did he study at those high priced Ivy League colleges?

rplat on February 7, 2015 at 6:26 AM

What did you expect a man raised by muslims and communists to say about Christianity?

warden on February 7, 2015 at 6:37 AM

I’ve said this before, I’ll say it again. I don’t care about Obama’s birth certificate–that’s a red herring–I want to see his Baptismal Certificate. Although if it came from the Rev Wright, what difference does it make.

Obama, much of the hard Left, and Islam share this in common—time passed does not matter. Something that happened 700 years ago is the same as something that happened yesterday. There’s no sense of the movement of history, cause and effect, change, as demonstrated by his lack of any reference to the the Reformation. The tendency to forget historical perspective is blossoming in all levels of our education system.

Another point which is not brought up is that ISIS is channeling the profit (sic) himself. It’s not so much what their book says, it’s what he DID that matters…and not that he did it centuries ago because his actions and behavior, to them, is just as valid today.

MaggiePoo on February 7, 2015 at 8:32 AM

Even on its ignorant level, Obama’s statement is a tu quoque, a logical fallacy.

But then, Liberals always prefer a fallacy over facts. Comes right out Alinsky(#5 in particular) and other such nonsense.

Comes with an inability to be personally responsible for one’s actions. Hence, so much under the busing in this administration.

Liberals Lie. It is what they do best, since, bless their hearts, they can’t handle the truth.

ProfShadow on February 7, 2015 at 8:42 AM

Obama explains ISIS at Prayer Breakfast: Christianity’s chickens are coming home to roost.

petefrt on February 7, 2015 at 9:38 AM

Christianity spreads through evangelism, which is, at heart persuasion.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 7, 2015 at 4:44 AM

Uhm… yeah, except for when it doesn’t.

If any one of the race of the Saxons hereafter concealed among them shall have wished to hide himself unbaptized, and shall have scorned to come to baptism and shall have wished to remain a pagan, let him be punished by death.

When ever one uses a carrot there is always a stick.

That being said, perhaps the time has come for the Dear Leader to let his teleprompter go, at least for public speaking engagements. Reading it is making him come off as more than a bit clownish…

elgeneralisimo on February 7, 2015 at 9:40 AM

White House quietly hands out names of Muslim leaders Obama met with

Fallon on February 7, 2015 at 9:53 AM

Not only his thought on Scripture perverse, he is out of touch on history….pot calling the kettle black…much of what he accused others of doing, he does on a regular basis, mr puffy ego.

crosshugger on February 7, 2015 at 9:53 AM

What did you expect a man raised by muslims and communists to say about Christianity?

warden on February 7, 2015 at 6:37 AM

Yep.

Obama is a toxic stew. Here is the recipe:

Ingredients

5 quarts Narcissism
2 lbs Leftism
1 cup God-free Islam
1 cup diced Black Liberation Theology
1/2 cup minced Racism
8 ounces Ignorance
3 tablespoons Malevolence
2 tablespoons Arrogance
1 tablespoon Laziness
1 tablespoon Spitefulness

Directions

Cut the Leftism into 2 to 3 inch strips approximately a quarter inch thick. Dredge in the Islam until each strip is coated. In a sauté pan, heat the Malevolence. Add the Leftism and brown. Set aside.

In a large pot, bring the Narcissism to a boil. Add the Leftism and other ingredients. Reduce the heat and simmer for 53 years. Garnish with Girlishness and Fecklessness and discard.

Serves: no one other than himself.

justltl on February 7, 2015 at 9:55 AM

Meanwhile in Minnesota, local politicians going to cuba to learn how to be better at communism.

crosshugger on February 7, 2015 at 9:56 AM

Even if Obama’s superficial and faddish take on the Crusades was accurate, how are the Crusades, the Inquisition, slavery, or Jim Crow (the latter two which ended largely because of Christian activism) relevant to the discussion of what’s happening now with ISIS?

It’s very relevant, but not in the way Obama thinks.

To make his case for moral equivalency, Barky has to go back 900 years (Crusades), 800 to 200 years ago (“The Inquisition”), 350 years to 150 years ago (only western slavery by whites, of course), and 100 years to 50 years ago (U.S. “Jim Crow laws”).

Whatever sins were committed by Christians or in the name of Christianity in the past, that is the key: long past never to return.

What happened centuries ago with Christians is happening today and tomorrow in the Islamic world.

The true lesson is there for all to see: Islam is the product of regressive, obsolete culture.

Rather than being truly progressive and forward-thinking, Obama and his ilk are proven to be the most conservative living-in-the-past thinkers on the planet.

Obama is actually supporting the use of 20th century weapons of mass destruction by 16th century barbarians that have neither the maturity or temperament to handle that kind of responsibility. They’re just too damned primitive.

As a result of this stupidity, many people are likely going to die in our lifetimes — exponentially more than from all the people who ever wore a cross in human history.

Younggod on February 7, 2015 at 10:29 AM

C

rusaders were not Christians.

obama’s roots are not in slavery. He’s an idiot half-black pretender, in all matters.

Until his grades are shown, he never finished any degrees. Just get going on the contras, fools.

Schadenfreude on February 6, 2015 at 2:15 PM

Ref: Gradegate
I suspect that we will eventually find that Obama’s college grades are being buried, not because they are poor…affirmative action and grade inflation will have eliminated that possibility, but because he took the opportunity to declare himself to be a Foreign Student in his admission papers. Although he was born in Hawaii, this would have clouded his claim to citizenship.

Uniblogger on February 7, 2015 at 10:40 AM

If any one of the race of the Saxons hereafter concealed among them shall have wished to hide himself unbaptized, and shall have scorned to come to baptism and shall have wished to remain a pagan, let him be punished by death.

When ever one uses a carrot there is always a stick.

That being said, perhaps the time has come for the Dear Leader to let his teleprompter go, at least for public speaking engagements. Reading it is making him come off as more than a bit clownish…

elgeneralisimo on February 7, 2015 at 9:40 AM

You poor pathetic imbecile. This had nothing what so ever to do with the spread of Christianity and was merely a brutal tactic employed by Charlemagne to conquer Saxony.

oscarwilde on February 7, 2015 at 11:05 AM

It’s disappointing that you endorsed this foolishness, Ed.

There has never, ever been such a thing as a “Christian massacre.”

You have to disobey Jesus to murder in the name of God.

Conversely, you are obeying Muhammad if you murder in the name of Allah.

Ed, you need to learn the differences between CINOs & real Christ-followers.

Jesus clearly spelled out those differences several times.

itsnotaboutme on February 6, 2015 at 3:40 PM

Just remember the vast majority of those massacres were committed by the Catholic church, the epitomy of Christian In Name Only. Go to a couple masses a year and you can then live however you want to.

Nutstuyu on February 7, 2015 at 11:29 AM

Most leftists get their understanding of history from comedians like George Carlin and his lesser emulators, so this clarification shouldn’t really be a surprise to thinking people.

Star Bird on February 7, 2015 at 11:37 AM

1095 called, they want their pre-Enlightenment thinking back.

Socratease on February 7, 2015 at 11:44 AM

Why does Obama’s logical arguments on religion remind me of this?

Socratease on February 7, 2015 at 11:46 AM

Barack Obama invents “Trickle-down Foreign Policy”.

J_Crater on February 7, 2015 at 11:57 AM

Someone who believes that sin is not living up to his own narcissistic ideals speaking about “sinful tendencies” is highly suspect…

Pest on February 7, 2015 at 12:08 PM

Christianity spreads through evangelism, which is, at heart persuasion.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 7, 2015 at 4:44 AM

Uhm… yeah, except for when it doesn’t.

If any one of the race of the Saxons hereafter concealed among them shall have wished to hide himself unbaptized, and shall have scorned to come to baptism and shall have wished to remain a pagan, let him be punished by death.

When ever one uses a carrot there is always a stick.

That being said, perhaps the time has come for the Dear Leader to let his teleprompter go, at least for public speaking engagements. Reading it is making him come off as more than a bit clownish…

elgeneralisimo on February 7, 2015 at 9:40 AM

The fact that you had to go back that far to find a single counterexample pretty much proves the point. I mean, I’ve known of the forced baptism of the Saxons since I was a teenager, and it would still have never occurred to me to claim that it was anything but a one-off event. And, you will note, driven by a king dealing with rebels, so actually a political event.

Definitely not the way Christianity spread overall. Within the first century AD, Christianity spread throughout Asia Minor, into India and Africa, and into Europe. It appears to have even spread into China. All without the use of the sword.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 7, 2015 at 12:30 PM

Apologies if this has been posted prior –
From National Review Online
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/398060/jindal-obama-medieval-christian-threat-under-control-eliana-johnson

H/T Ace of Spades

“It was nice of the President to give us a history lesson at the Prayer breakfast,” Jindal said. “Today, however, the issue right in front of his nose, in the here and now, is the terrorism of Radical Islam, the assassination of journalists, the beheading and burning alive of captives. We will be happy to keep an eye out for runaway Christians, but it would be nice if he would face the reality of the situation today. The Medieval Christian threat is under control, Mr. President. Please deal with the Radical Islamic threat today.”

SMACK!

Closet Optimist on February 7, 2015 at 12:41 PM

Until his grades are shown, he never finished any degrees. Just get going on the contras, fools.

Schadenfreude on February 6, 2015 at 2:15 PM

Ref: Gradegate

I suspect that we will eventually find that Obama’s college grades are being buried, not because they are poor…affirmative action and grade inflation will have eliminated that possibility, but because he took the opportunity to declare himself to be a Foreign Student in his admission papers. Although he was born in Hawaii, this would have clouded his claim to citizenship.

Uniblogger on February 7, 2015 at 10:40 AM

Another strong possibility why the college transcripts are a State Secret: O’bama and his puppeteers don’t want people to see what courses he took in college. It’s well known that he was a big supporter of the first Black faculty member at Harvard Law, Derrick Bell.

Bell had some rather interesting views on race:

In a book published just a year after Obama’s protest, Bell talks about his outsized pleasure at getting a black cab driver in New York:

I noted with some satisfaction that my driver was black. In New York, as elsewhere, it has begun to seem that blacks, particularly black men, who lack at least two college degrees, are not hired in any position above the most menial.

Bell also makes the following claim right at the start of the book:

Racism is an integral, permanent and indestructible component of this society.

Del Dolemonte on February 7, 2015 at 12:42 PM

At some point, people are going to realize that their preezy speaks as he does about islam because he is a believer. His take on the Crusades is, at the simplest level, what muslims believe. No one but a muslim would lecture Christians about history in that manner. No one.

n0doz on February 7, 2015 at 12:45 PM

Catholics were at war with Islam…..NOT Christians.

Realdemocrat1 on February 7, 2015 at 12:49 PM

In general, world leaders would do better to focus on their own age, which they tend to understand better. Judging the purity of modern terrorists’ Islamic faith will not make them less dangerous. Let’s leave the Middle Ages out of it.

obama is a fugging dummy.

Schadenfreude on February 7, 2015 at 1:19 PM

Del Dolemonte on February 7, 2015 at 12:42 PM

Thank you Del. As always, very interesting contribution.

Schadenfreude on February 7, 2015 at 1:23 PM

Catholics fought with Islam during the Crusades….Christians did not.

Catholics are not Christians

Realdemocrat1 on February 7, 2015 at 1:32 PM

Catholics fought with Islam during the Crusades….Christians did not.

Catholics are not Christians

Realdemocrat1 on February 7, 2015 at 1:32 PM

I think you should find the nearest crowded Irish bar and start that discussion. See if they agree.

RBMN on February 7, 2015 at 2:03 PM

Very good points are made here. I’ll probably use some of them. But this, it would have been a brilliant and relevant lesson, no, that would not have been brilliant. That is just regular. Just regularly relevancy, nothing brilliant about it. Our president argues like a mean-spirited little girl in 7th grade who imagines she has landed on some spectacular equivalence. She pokes a desiccated white dog turd with a stick to wave under our noses and chid us but fails for the truckload of fresh stinking wet poo dumped on her pointed little head.

bour3 on February 7, 2015 at 2:46 PM

oscarwilde on February 7, 2015 at 11:05 AM

Thank you for that.

How it is people can’t separate what it Christ proclaimed in the Bible from someone pretending to be “working” for God, simply shows there unmitigated bias.

Neitherleftorright on February 7, 2015 at 4:30 PM

You poor pathetic imbecile. This had nothing what so ever to do with the spread of Christianity and was merely a brutal tactic employed by Charlemagne to conquer Saxony.

oscarwilde on February 7, 2015 at 11:05 AM

The fact that you had to go back that far to find a single counterexample pretty much proves the point. I mean, I’ve known of the forced baptism of the Saxons since I was a teenager, and it would still have never occurred to me to claim that it was anything but a one-off event. And, you will note, driven by a king dealing with rebels, so actually a political event.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 7, 2015 at 12:30 PM

There is no bliss sweeter than ignorant bliss…


This issue, more than any other we’ve published, raises the awkward matter of forced conversions—”Be Christian or die.” There’s no sense in pretending this was an exceptional missionary tactic; for many centuries, it was the method of choice among Christian rulers and missionaries. The conversion of much of Europe and of Latin America is unimaginable without the sword.

elgeneralisimo on February 7, 2015 at 4:56 PM

Obama’s view of the crusades is a typical Musims’s view of the crusades. Couple that with his statement at the prayer breakfast that Islam is ‘our religion’ contributes to the summation the pRes is a Muslim.

TfromV on February 7, 2015 at 5:45 PM

elgeneralisimo on February 7, 2015 at 4:56 PM

Still trying to spread your brain dead ignorant stupidity I see.

oscarwilde on February 7, 2015 at 6:43 PM

oscarwilde on February 7, 2015 at 11:05 AM

Thank you for that.

How it is people can’t separate what it Christ proclaimed in the Bible from someone pretending to be “working” for God, simply shows there unmitigated bias.

Neitherleftorright on February 7, 2015 at 4:30 PM

Some atheist have a tendency to never grow up beyond their angst filled teenage years. Their hatred for God overrules their capacity for intelligence. I know a few like this, most atheists find them embarrassing. Most atheists simply never see anything that they can accept as reasonable evidence for God’s existence. Some, a small percentage, though very vocal on the internet, are just individuals suffering serious emotional damage that they blame on God.

oscarwilde on February 7, 2015 at 6:49 PM

Getting Medieval
Let’s leave the Middle Ages out of discussions of modern Islam.
By Thomas F. Madden

Part of the problem here is that the president knows little, perhaps nothing, about the Crusades or the Inquisition. He is not alone in that, of course. Medieval historians have long lamented the gulf between fact and popular perceptions when it comes to these events. The Crusades were not brutal wars of colonial oppression or zealous attempts to spread Christianity by the sword. The First Crusade was called in 1095 by Pope Urban II in response to desperate appeals from the Christians of the Middle East, who had lately been conquered and continued to be persecuted by the Turks. And these were only the latest in more than four centuries of attacks on Christian peoples by Muslim powers. At some point Christianity as a faith and as a culture had to defend itself or else be subsumed by Islam. The work of the Crusader, who put his life at risk and underwent enormous expense, was to save Christian people and restore Christian lands. This was no perversion of Christianity. Christ had commanded his followers to be like the Good Samaritan, hurrying to bind up the wounds of their brother who had been robbed and beaten. This was the same Christ who said, “Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.” That is how Crusaders honestly saw themselves following their Christian faith.

Brian1972 on February 7, 2015 at 7:39 PM

Slightly off topic but I had not seen that Ramirez cartoon and it sums up the problem beautifully. Hope someone shows it to Obama. No, we are not looking for permission to hate Muslims. We are looking for our President to do his ONE main job – protection of the US. He’s failing miserably.

evie1949 on February 7, 2015 at 9:03 PM

Profound Ignorance and Flagrant Malfeasance: Thy Name is OBAMA!!

landlines on February 7, 2015 at 10:23 PM

1) It hasn’t been hundreds of years since Christian terrorists committed unspeakable acts of brutality. A few examples from our own country: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/02/05/burning-alive-isis-pilot-us-racists-blacks-video/

2) Just because Christian terrorists committed unspeakable acts of brutality doesn’t mean that Christianity is evil any more than what some Muslims terrorists do today in the name of their religion makes Islam evil. And Obama never said otherwise.

redandexpert on February 8, 2015 at 2:09 AM

Your first bullet point has already been covered in this thread, so I don’t feel the need to counter it here.

some Muslims terrorists

redandexpert on February 8, 2015 at 2:09 AM

Some? Sweetheart, there’re entire armies out there. If you want to be persuasive, you’ll have to do better than the half-brewed argument you’re currently using.

Cheshire_Kat on February 8, 2015 at 2:49 AM

1) It hasn’t been hundreds of years since Christian terrorists committed unspeakable acts of brutality.

redandexpert on February 8, 2015 at 2:09 AM

I’ll bet they were Democrats.

You know how many people have died from abortion-clinic bombings? 8.

That’s a slow day for a jihadi.

John the Libertarian on February 8, 2015 at 3:25 AM

Catholics fought with Islam during the Crusades….Christians did not.
Catholics are not Christians
Realdemocrat1 on February 7, 2015 at 1:32 PM
I think you should find the nearest crowded Irish bar and start that discussion. See if they agree.
RBMN on February 7, 2015 at 2:03 PM

I think what he means is that Catholics provide the fodder for Obama’s equivalency. People who call themselves Christians but don’t actually live. People who think going to a few masses a year covers them for living however they want to.

Nutstuyu on February 8, 2015 at 11:08 AM

This whole Christian “breakfast” is strange because, Obama’s faith is “deeply personal”, so he’s actually an undeclared atheist, but politically aligned with Islam because he thinks they will best facilitate the inevitable destruction of capitalism and western culture. He’s apologizing for Islam because its a tactic that promotes his goal, but he’s not religious himself.

But, as many here point out, he is an extremely ignorant person, with a poor grasp of historical fact and his commitment to Marxism-at-his-mother’s-knee renders him unable to entertain an alternative view of the world.

Depressing as it is to be lectured to, and spoken for, by such an ignoramus, we should know that when Islam takes over a country, it descends into poverty and oppression and such military power as it has is “borrowed” and short-term. They despise the very thing (western freedom) that would have helped them. Consequently, their military threat will descend down their socio-economic sink-hole, even if they get to set off a few bombs here and there as they submerge themselves.

Muslim populations are not totally benighted, however. They cannot unlearn the benefits of western civilization from science, business, medicine, the internet, TV and mobile communication. Many will understand what they will be losing in exchange for their “submission” to ignorant mullahs.

Given the right western support, Jordan and Egypt could be western democracies (like Israel) and quickly reap the benefits. Given the right leadership, the West could isolate Iran and then eradicate its satellites in Lebanon, Syria and Gaza.

It doesn’t have to be this way. Send Obama back to Chicago (or Cuba), where he can do no more damage.

virgo on February 8, 2015 at 12:48 PM

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quikstrike98 on February 8, 2015 at 3:33 PM

quikstrike98 on February 8, 2015 at 3:33 PM

Yeah, it’s really annoying when you have three audio ads playing all at the same time. It’s why the site is almost unviewable without ad blockers. Hopefully your work might let you put some ad blocking extensions into your browser.

Star Bird on February 8, 2015 at 4:23 PM

On Moral Relativism:

Satan is the greatest of liars, and those on the Left, the most gullible of listeners. —Pious Pete

PunditPete on February 10, 2015 at 8:51 AM

For a college graduate and a “scholar” he sure is ignorant of history. The crusades were a response to a muslim invasion of europe. The battle of Tours was fought in 732 and Charles Martel defeated the muslim armies. Look on a map of where Tours France is. That was central europe. Spain was conquered in 718, that was 3 centuries before any christian “crusade”. The crusades only happened as a response to an islamic invasion of europe. I didnt read all the comments so sorry if this is a duplicate. Barry is an idiot and our fine public schools are turning out perfectly ignorant americans that dont even recognize his lies. I think ignorant is the way the left wants our children.

Scott

fieldmarshallsmith on February 10, 2015 at 12:58 PM

Obama: “Yeah, but cavemen did the same thing”

Obama: ISIS atrocities = human nature

Obama is an embarrassment to America (…and black people everywhere).

RedManBlueState on February 11, 2015 at 12:31 PM