Police release insane Ferguson looting video, are criticized for transparency

posted at 3:21 pm on January 22, 2015 by Noah Rothman

This closed-circuit security camera footage is absolutely amazing. In a video recently released by local police in Missouri, at least 180 looters are shown pillaging a market in the city of Dellwood, a town neighboring Ferguson that was subject to violent riots in the wake of a grand jury decision not to indict Officer Darren Wilson for the shooting death of Michael Brown.

The images of the violent property destruction showcased in that video are positively astonishing.

The surveillance video features a variety of unmasked young men attempting for nearly two-and-a-half minutes to break through a secure door. After repeatedly failing in that task, the industrious rioters simply break down the building’s adjacent wall. The barrier having been removed, a deluge of looters cascade into the store and proceed to nearly empty it of contents in little more than 200 seconds.

Police have purportedly released this video in the hopes that the public would help investigators identify the over 180 looters who ransacked the building. But some are not buying that claim. They say that the release of this video is designed to shape public opinion and frame those who took to the streets to protest the grand jury decision in Ferguson as criminals.

“It’s a dramatic illustration of law enforcement attempting to subvert the emerging narrative of Black youth energized and engaged, flooding the streets of this country in demonstrative displays of their anger,” wrote Atlanta Black Star columnist Nick Chiles. “The multiracial ‘die-ins’ and marches across the country had largely erased from the public’s mind the images of riots and lawlessness that were sparked by the grand jury’s decision on Nov. 24.”

“But from the St. Louis police we get a reminder: They’re not politicized young people fiercely exercising their first amendment rights; they’re just criminals and thugs stealing stuff,” he added.

Reporting from Missouri on Thursday, CNN’s Sara Sidner noted that activists believe the video of protests and the national outpouring of support for criminal justice reforms in the wake of Brown’s shooting death “have nothing to do with one another.”

But, they do. On Thursday, the Department of Justice revealed that the Civil Rights Division is unlikely to bring charges against Wilson after conducting a thorough investigation into the claim that he had violated Brown’s civil rights. This comes after Attorney General Eric Holder traveled to Missouri and told scarred local residents that he believed racial antipathy played a role in the drama that played out in that town last year.

“The eyes of the nation and the world are watching Ferguson right now,” Holder said on a trip to Missouri in August. “The world is watching because the issues raised by the shooting of Michael Brown predate this incident. This is something that has a history to it, and the history simmers beneath the surface in more communities than just Ferguson.”

The investigation into Wilson is slated to come to an end in the spring, and Holder will likely reveal that the Feds found no evidence sufficient to charge Wilson with a civil rights crime before he leaves his post. It will be a familiar scene. Activists were deeply wounded when the DOJ failed to find sufficient evidence to charge George Zimmerman with having violated Trayvon Martin’s civil rights or even that he harbored racially insensitive sentiments.

Holder, swayed as he so regularly is by the whimsy of the news cycle, not only promised activists a thorough investigation into Zimmerman but tore into Florida’s Stand Your Ground laws in the wake of a Sanford jury’s acquittal. Such laws “try to fix something that was never broken” and “senselessly expand the concept of self-defense and sow dangerous conflict in our neighborhoods,” the attorney general insisted. It didn’t seem to bother him that Zimmerman did not cite Stand Your Ground laws in his defense, and only the prosecution in that case sought to put that law on trial by claiming that they influenced Zimmerman’s thinking on the night of Martin’s death.

In the same way that the Justice Department sought to placate Americans incensed by the verdict in the Zimmerman trial, the DOJ did its best to assuage the aggrieved sentiments of those moved to violence by the grand jury’s decision in Ferguson. That’s not justice; it’s appeasement. And it’s dangerous.

Those who today suggest that the release of surveillance footage of rioters looting local businesses somehow hurts their cause must ask themselves precisely what that cause is. If the reforms they seek are somehow hampered by video of violent protesters, then they have shortsightedly made common cause with the wrong people.

Eric Holder should be ashamed for misleading those Americans who were understandably shaken by the decisions in both of these cases. Those who were shocked by judgments in Ferguson and Sanford were never privy to critical media analysis that might have prepared them for the ultimate conclusions of those cases. Holder gave them false hope that he could reverse those decisions when he likely knew that it was unrealistic to expect that the Civil Rights Division would meet the significant evidentiary burden required to prove civil rights violations in either case.

As for these looters, no one with the capacity for critical thought would claim that they are representative of those who are legitimately frustrated by the grand jury’s decision in Ferguson. But those who maintain that the release of this video is part of a plot by police to delegitimize the post-Ferguson reform movement are establishing links between peaceful protesters and riotous mobs that they will soon come to regret.


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And the fat cats exploiting them enable this dependency to increase their profits…

Indeed, that is one of the first things taught in business school in “Mr. Monopoly 101: How to be a Fat Cat”.

F X Muldoon on January 22, 2015 at 5:11 PM

verbaluce on January 22, 2015 at 5:06 PM

Boo, fukking hoo. Poor duece always making excuses. GFY yourself and take the losers in the video with you. You and your ilk built that. Congrats. Own it. The fools in that video, they choose to act that way. Period. Full. Stop.

Kind of farks up your silly narrative showing what the “protests” were really about. These idiots weren’t marching for justice for the “gentle giant” mikey..they were out to get them some goodies.

HumpBot Salvation on January 22, 2015 at 5:11 PM

Further proof of the right’s continued moral deficiency when it comes to matters of race and poverty.
 
verbaluce on January 22, 2015 at 5:06 PM

 
In blue cities under liberal guidance and control for decades.

rogerb on January 22, 2015 at 5:12 PM

Do you people not have any empathy? These folks weren’t stealing TVs or Ipads… They. Were. Swiping. Food. How desperate, how hungry someone has to be to do that? This is the discussion we should be having here. Hungry Americans.

OliverB on January 22, 2015 at 4:40 PM

They were not stealing food because they were hungry.
They were looting. Whatever reasoning or empathy one might want to bring to it, there’s no excuse for it.
Stealing food because one is hungry is something completely different – and not at all what this is.

verbaluce on January 22, 2015 at 5:12 PM

OK, so explain why they knocked over beauty shops and stole hair extensions and fake nails.

lolz

Resist We Much on January 22, 2015 at 5:07 PM

The fake nail conglomerate has been sticking it to LaQueesha for decades..she was just getting her reparations.

HumpBot Salvation on January 22, 2015 at 5:13 PM

M18A1.
Front Toward Enemy.

Hotel1 on January 22, 2015 at 3:45 PM

You forgot the best part:

Smile.
Wait For Flash.

GrumpyOldFart on January 22, 2015 at 5:14 PM

verbaluce on January 22, 2015 at 5:06 PM

Boo, fukking hoo. Poor duece always making excuses. GFY yourself and take the losers in the video with you. You and your ilk built that. Congrats. Own it. The fools in that video, they choose to act that way. Period. Full. Stop.

Kind of farks up your silly narrative showing what the “protests” were really about. These idiots weren’t marching for justice for the “gentle giant” mikey..they were out to get them some goodies.

HumpBot Salvation on January 22, 2015 at 5:11 PM

If you read and follow what I wrote, you’d see I make no excuse at all for the looters.
I call their actions criminal.
Which fully farks up your narrative.

verbaluce on January 22, 2015 at 5:16 PM

180 of them verbalduece

HumpBot Salvation on January 22, 2015 at 5:17 PM

Fluck off you excusers of thugs of society.

You deserve to live like they do in Zimbabwe and I wish them upon you. Nothing short will wake you up.

You don’t deserve to live civilized in humanity.

Schadenfreude on January 22, 2015 at 5:17 PM

Do you people not have any empathy? These folks weren’t stealing TVs or Ipads… They. Were. Swiping. Food. How desperate, how hungry someone has to be to do that? This is the discussion we should be having here. Hungry Americans.

OliverB on January 22, 2015 at 4:40 PM

They were not stealing food because they were hungry.
They were looting. Whatever reasoning or empathy one might want to bring to it, there’s no excuse for it.
Stealing food because one is hungry is something completely different – and not at all what this is.

verbaluce on January 22, 2015 at 5:12 PM

Amen.

Resist We Much on January 22, 2015 at 5:17 PM

And [sic] please don’t refer to African Americans as “black” Imperial Wizard.

Why not ? All black Americans are not from Africa.

F X Muldoon on January 22, 2015 at 5:18 PM

The fake nail conglomerate has been sticking it to LaQueesha for decades..she was just getting her reparations.

HumpBot Salvation on January 22, 2015 at 5:13 PM

lolz

Resist We Much on January 22, 2015 at 5:18 PM

They were not stealing food because they were hungry.
They were looting. Whatever reasoning or empathy one might want to bring to it, there’s no excuse for it.
Stealing food because one is hungry is something completely different – and not at all what this is.

verbaluce on January 22, 2015 at 5:12 PM

This is all that should have been said by good ol’ verbie.

Schadenfreude on January 22, 2015 at 5:18 PM

Why not ? All black Americans are not from Africa.

F X Muldoon on January 22, 2015 at 5:18 PM

Not even obama is.

Schadenfreude on January 22, 2015 at 5:19 PM

What if we just stop feeding them?

bogeyman on January 22, 2015 at 5:21 PM

OK, so explain why they knocked over beauty shops and stole hair extensions and fake nails.
 
lolz
 
Resist We Much on January 22, 2015 at 5:07 PM

 
The fake nail conglomerate has been sticking it to LaQueesha for decades..she was just getting her reparations.
 
HumpBot Salvation on January 22, 2015 at 5:13 PM

 
NO JUSTICE!
NO WEAVES!

rogerb on January 22, 2015 at 5:21 PM

If you read and follow what I wrote, you’d see I make no excuse at all for the looters.
I call their actions criminal.
Which fully farks up your narrative.

verbaluce on January 22, 2015 at 5:16 PM

No, good verbie. All you should have typed was

They were not stealing food because they were hungry.
They were looting. Whatever reasoning or empathy one might want to bring to it, there’s no excuse for it.
Stealing food because one is hungry is something completely different – and not at all what this is.

verbaluce on January 22, 2015 at 5:12 PM

Schadenfreude on January 22, 2015 at 5:21 PM

The videos of 180+ of them will be shown for a month by the authorities.

Schadenfreude on January 22, 2015 at 5:23 PM

verbaluce on January 22, 2015 at 5:16 PM

Here’s your narrative you stupid piece of shit.

So we can expect a vibrant life for this video on right/con blogs – where it will be clickbait mania. Further proof of the right’s continued moral deficiency when it comes to matters of race and poverty.

verbaluce on January 22, 2015 at 5:06 PM

Per usual you take something and attempt to make it about something else. This video isn’t about conservatives.

So again, GFY.

If your fellow democrats didn’t behave in this way..there would be no video.

HumpBot Salvation on January 22, 2015 at 5:24 PM

Schadenfreude on January 22, 2015 at 5:21 PM

verbie can’t just stop there..it always seems to have be conservatives fault for showing the bad behavior of democrats.

HumpBot Salvation on January 22, 2015 at 5:26 PM

verbaluce on January 22, 2015 at 5:12 PM

Try not to pass judgment. Only the most desperate would loot. Faith Hope and love… The greatest of these is love;but people must also have hope and faith. The institutions have failed them, when faith is lost so goes hope. You can beat your chest and talk about law and order and keep picking at a scab, or we all can roll up our sleeves and get down to the business of treating each other as humans.

OliverB on January 22, 2015 at 5:27 PM

Only the most desperate would loot.

Oh, bullcarp. These aren’t Somalis raiding a USAID dump in Mogadishu, they are punks looking for some free 40s and whatever else they can grab.

F X Muldoon on January 22, 2015 at 5:30 PM

Try not to pass judgment. Only the most desperate would loot. Faith Hope and love… The greatest of these is love;but people must also have hope and faith. The institutions have failed them, when faith is lost so goes hope. You can beat your chest and talk about law and order and keep picking at a scab, or we all can roll up our sleeves and get down to the business of treating each other as humans.

OliverB on January 22, 2015 at 5:27 PM

While you are the only one who considers them animals.

Go find a mirror, dummy.

Schadenfreude on January 22, 2015 at 5:33 PM

Try not to pass judgment. Only the most desperate would loot. Faith Hope and love… The greatest of these is love;but people must also have hope and faith. The institutions have failed them, when faith is lost so goes hope. You can beat your chest and talk about law and order and keep picking at a scab, or we all can roll up our sleeves and get down to the business of treating each other as humans.
 
OliverB on January 22, 2015 at 5:27 PM

 
Any thoughts on why these failures keep happening in blue cities where (D)s are in control of the institutions?

rogerb on January 22, 2015 at 5:35 PM

The greatest of these is love

OliverB on January 22, 2015 at 5:27 PM

If you loved them, you’d be out helping them: go/stay in school, learn self-respect, learn to respect all sorts of civility, work, help their parents, get charity from churches and other org….meh, you consider them animals and you preach at us. You have no shame.

Schadenfreude on January 22, 2015 at 5:35 PM

3 Days! 3 days I say! 3 days and 3 nights of hunger of hopelessness is the only thing that separates you whom post from those souls in that video. Think about it. Please think about it.

OliverB on January 22, 2015 at 5:36 PM

3 Days! 3 days I say! 3 days and 3 nights of hunger of hopelessness is the only thing that separates you whom post from those souls in that video. Think about it. Please think about it.

OliverB on January 22, 2015 at 5:36 PM

You’re the only one who considers them sub-human.

Quit playing your stupid tiny violin, preaching at others while you do nothing for them. You are a looter for the moochers, typical ‘erudite’ leftist thuggish scum. Your color is all in the open.

Schadenfreude on January 22, 2015 at 5:38 PM

3 Days! 3 days I say! 3 days and 3 nights of hunger of hopelessness is the only thing that separates you whom post from those souls in that video. Think about it. Please think about it.

OK, he got us, this guy is another Frank Lib.

F X Muldoon on January 22, 2015 at 5:39 PM

So we can expect a vibrant life for this video on right/con blogs – where it will be clickbait mania. Further proof of the right’s continued moral deficiency when it comes to matters of race and poverty.

verbaluce on January 22, 2015 at 5:06 PM

Per usual you take something and attempt to make it about something else. This video isn’t about conservatives.

So again, GFY.

If your fellow democrats didn’t behave in this way..there would be no video.

HumpBot Salvation on January 22, 2015 at 5:24 PM

No, the video isn’t about conservatives.
It’s footage of people lotting a store.
My comments are on the reaction to and use of the video.
It’s presented here to delegitimize and dismiss any other factor or issue raised by Ferguson.
I am not the one who ‘ take(s) something and attempt(s) to make it about something else.
But that is precisely you (and others) are doing.

verbaluce on January 22, 2015 at 5:39 PM

3 Days! 3 days I say! 3 days and 3 nights of hunger of hopelessness is the only thing that separates you whom post from those souls in that video. Think about it. Please think about it.
 
OliverB on January 22, 2015 at 5:36 PM

 
OK, he got us, this guy is another Frank Lib.
 
F X Muldoon on January 22, 2015 at 5:39 PM

 
I think you’re probably right.

rogerb on January 22, 2015 at 5:40 PM

I like the ingenuity of these future honor roll students. They are both moochers AND looters. Well played! !

jukin3 on January 22, 2015 at 5:41 PM

I think you’re probably right.

I certainly hope so, otherwise his steamboat has gone way ’round the bend.

F X Muldoon on January 22, 2015 at 5:42 PM

3 Days! 3 days I say! 3 days and 3 nights of hunger of hopelessness is the only thing that separates you whom post from those souls in that video. Think about it. Please think about it.

OliverB on January 22, 2015 at 5:36 PM

Everyone knows Beer, cigs, Chips and Dolly Madisons will stave off hunger forever.

RickB on January 22, 2015 at 5:45 PM

3 Days! 3 days I say! 3 days and 3 nights of hunger of hopelessness is the only thing that separates you whom post from those souls in that video. Think about it. Please think about it.

OliverB on January 22, 2015 at 5:36 PM

I would love to see your face when you’re finally confronted by the world you’ve created.

DFCtomm on January 22, 2015 at 5:45 PM

I think you’re probably right.

rogerb on January 22, 2015 at 5:40 PM

Follow here

Schadenfreude on January 22, 2015 at 5:46 PM

OK, he got us, this guy is another Frank Lib.

F X Muldoon on January 22, 2015 at 5:39 PM

You’d hope so. Alas, this thread proves otherwise:

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/01/21/boehner-rolls-out-welcome-mat-to-netanyahu-for-iran-speech/

Resist We Much on January 22, 2015 at 5:46 PM

3 days and 3 nights of hunger

OliverB on January 22, 2015 at 5:36 PM

They’re fat.

DFCtomm on January 22, 2015 at 5:47 PM

3 Days! 3 days I say! 3 days and 3 nights of hunger of hopelessness is the only thing that separates you whom post from those souls in that video. Think about it. Please think about it.

OliverB on January 22, 2015 at 5:36 PM

Are you under the impression that HotAir is holding auditions for a Monty Pythonesque flick?

tanked59 on January 22, 2015 at 5:47 PM

Try not to pass judgment. Only the most desperate would loot. Faith Hope and love… The greatest of these is love;but people must also have hope and faith. The institutions have failed them, when faith is lost so goes hope. You can beat your chest and talk about law and order and keep picking at a scab, or we all can roll up our sleeves and get down to the business of treating each other as humans.

OliverB on January 22, 2015 at 5:27 PM

When did the Ferguson looters and arsonists ever treat minority business owners as human beings?

They destroyed their life’s work.

Resist We Much on January 22, 2015 at 5:49 PM

If it weren’t for white racism these ‘merchandise liberators’ would all be in college discovering cures for cancer. At least that’s how liberals see it.

MaiDee on January 22, 2015 at 5:51 PM

verbaluce on January 22, 2015 at 5:12 PM

Try not to pass judgment. Only the most desperate would loot. Faith Hope and love… The greatest of these is love;but people must also have hope and faith. The institutions have failed them, when faith is lost so goes hope. You can beat your chest and talk about law and order and keep picking at a scab, or we all can roll up our sleeves and get down to the business of treating each other as humans.

OliverB on January 22, 2015 at 5:27 PM

I pass judgment only on their flagrant breaking of the law.
Wait, that’s not true.
I also pass judgement on them for bringing shame to their families and their communities.
Hold it…I also judge them for selfishly choosing a cheap thrill over demonstrating peacefully and with purpose.
I do judge them.
And I judge them harshly.

verbaluce on January 22, 2015 at 5:53 PM

No, the video isn’t about conservatives.
It’s footage of people lotting a store.
My comments are on the reaction to and use of the video.
It’s presented here to delegitimize and dismiss any other factor or issue raised by Ferguson.
I am not the one who ‘ take(s) something and attempt(s) to make it about something else.
But that is precisely you (and others) are doing.

verbaluce on January 22, 2015 at 5:39 PM

LOL,

The video is about the looting. The comments are about the looting.

Your entire MO is taking something and twisting it to make it about the commenters on this site or republicans in general.

So keep flailing you dishonest hack.

The actions of you and your ilk (including the ones in the video and the ones who have called for violence against cop) have done enough to legitimize “ferguson”. No help needed from this video or conservatives.

HumpBot Salvation on January 22, 2015 at 5:59 PM

The actions of you and your ilk (including the ones in the video and the ones who have called for violence against cop) have done enough to legitimize “ferguson”.

HumpBot Salvation on January 22, 2015 at 5:59 PM

Your rhetorical buffoonery delegitimizes your every word.

verbaluce on January 22, 2015 at 6:04 PM

OliverB on January 22, 2015 at 5:27 PM

Ollie, Verbaluce is a PROGRESSIVE. You haven’t even managed to convince him. Give it up already.

Resist We Much on January 22, 2015 at 6:05 PM

Bump for OliverB:

Any thoughts on why these failures keep happening in blue cities where (D)s are in control of the institutions?

rogerb on January 22, 2015 at 5:35 PM

WhirledPeas on January 22, 2015 at 6:11 PM

One of my favorites was Michael Brown’s mommy slapping the crap out of Michael Brown’s grandmother.

Guess OliverB and Verbaldouche missed that.

WhirledPeas on January 22, 2015 at 6:16 PM

You’d hope so. Alas, this thread proves otherwise:

I am not sure that is proof either way, but dragging Jean Valjean (!) into the discussion earlier, as well as his Dickensian name and prose make me lean towards the Frank Lib clone theory.

F X Muldoon on January 22, 2015 at 6:19 PM

I am not sure that is proof either way, but dragging Jean Valjean (!) into the discussion earlier, as well as his Dickensian name and prose make me lean towards the Frank Lib clone theory.

F X Muldoon on January 22, 2015 at 6:19 PM

It doesn’t matter. Someone just like him is out there and serious, and thus his mediocre satire can’t be discernible from the noise on the channel. We have reached that level of absurdity.

DFCtomm on January 22, 2015 at 6:25 PM

DFCtomm on January 22, 2015 at 6:25 PM

Alas, you are correct.

F X Muldoon on January 22, 2015 at 6:26 PM

BREAKING NEWS:

King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia has died.

More chaos in the Middle East likely to follow.

And, in New York:

Acid Attack On Subway Passenger In New York’s Port Authority

Resist We Much on January 22, 2015 at 6:29 PM

Ollie, Verbaluce is a PROGRESSIVE. You haven’t even managed to convince him. Give it up already.

Resist We Much on January 22, 2015 at 6:05 PM

You could have fooled me… He sounds so bourgeoisie.

OliverB on January 22, 2015 at 6:30 PM

Any thoughts on why these failures keep happening in blue cities where (D)s are in control of the institutions?

rogerb on January 22, 2015 at 5:35 PM

Simply because (R) and capitalists are too indifferent and apathetic to deal with the nuances of a stratified society.

OliverB on January 22, 2015 at 6:33 PM

Resist We Much on January 22, 2015 at 6:29 PM

DogEater will address the nation soon to tell us that the world has never been more peaceful…all because of him, of course!

WhirledPeas on January 22, 2015 at 6:35 PM

What is the difference between Eric Holder, and Al Sharpton?
Sharpton at least looks like a clown.

Another Drew on January 22, 2015 at 6:35 PM

OliverB on January 22, 2015 at 6:33 PM

So you’re sad and now regretting your vote for Obama?

Heh. Thought so…don’t even try to deny it.

WhirledPeas on January 22, 2015 at 6:37 PM

Your rhetorical buffoonery delegitimizes your every word.

verbaluce on January 22, 2015 at 6:04 PM

LOL, so now you’re denying your movement hasn’t called for violence against cops and fostered an environment to attack cops? Seriously? Officers Ramos and Liu unavailable for comment.

You’re so predictable it’s hilarious.

Sorry shitforbrians, every thing I’ve said has been correct. It’s obvious to everyone who reads this thread. The comment here have been about the actions of your soulmates in the video.

You made a non-factual and baseless accusation and got called out on it.

I realize you’ve got your talking points and have to stick to them. but you’re wrong. Typical, but you never seem to learn. You’re a clown, bro. A punchline to a joke. And you exhibit why, once again.

HumpBot Salvation on January 22, 2015 at 6:38 PM

You could have fooled me… He sounds so bourgeoisie.

OliverB on January 22, 2015 at 6:30 PM

Maybe, because he clearly sees what you cannot or will not. These people were not stealing food because they were hungry. They are thugs, who looted and burned down the businesses of minorities. They broke the law and even the lowest moral standards. There is nothing bourgeoisie about condemning criminal behaviour. Even the most hardline Marxist societies have and continue to punish such acts.

Do you think the Ferguson mobs had a ‘right’ to loot and destroy beauty, cake, and seamstress shops that were owned by African-American WOMEN? Talk about hurting the ‘oppressed’.

Every single one of those thugs on the tape here and those elsewhere should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Don’t support that for me, do it for them because what always follows anarchy? Strongmen. Authoritarianism.

Despite what Marxists believe, the odds of anarchy and revolution producing a socialist utopia are pretty low. It is much more likely that people will seek someone to restore law and order by any means necessary. I don’t want this and neither should you.

Resist We Much on January 22, 2015 at 6:45 PM

But some are not buying that claim. They say that the release of this video is designed to shape public opinion and frame those who took to the streets to protest the grand jury decision in Ferguson as criminals.

I have zero problems with that.

Mallard T. Drake on January 22, 2015 at 7:19 PM

These people were not stealing food because they were hungry. They are thugs, who looted and burned down the businesses of minorities. They broke the law and even the lowest moral standards. There is nothing bourgeoisie about condemning criminal behaviour. Even the most hardline Marxist societies have and continue to punish such acts.

Do you think the Ferguson mobs had a ‘right’ to loot and destroy beauty, cake, and seamstress shops that were owned by African-American WOMEN? Talk about hurting the ‘oppressed’.

Every single one of those thugs on the tape here and those elsewhere should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Don’t support that for me, do it for them because what always follows anarchy? Strongmen. Authoritarianism.

Despite what Marxists believe, the odds of anarchy and revolution producing a socialist utopia are pretty low. It is much more likely that people will seek someone to restore law and order by any means necessary. I don’t want this and neither should you.

Resist We Much on January 22, 2015 at 6:45 PM

Well-said, and an accurate summary of the discussion.

Of course, authoritarian control is what the Marxists are after in the first place, which is why the rioters and their fellow travelers are deemed “useful idiots”.
No immutable historical law indicates that conservatives (or classical liberals) will take over after the world falls apart; in general, their moral principles preclude dictatorship.

That’s why every Revolution other than the American one has ended in oligarchical tyranny, and why we have only put it off for a few centuries.

AesopFan on January 22, 2015 at 7:20 PM

Damn. The page looks like brushingmyhair’s English papers. Anyone else seeing red?

Resist We Much on January 22, 2015 at 7:21 PM

Damn. The page looks like brushingmyhair’s English papers. Anyone else seeing red?

Resist We Much on January 22, 2015 at 7:22 PM

Oliver B has got to be Frank Lib, although Frank Lib was funnier, lampooning liberalism in general has a broader appeal.

Noah,

As for these looters, no one with the capacity for critical thought would claim that they are representative of those who are legitimately frustrated by the grand jury’s decision in Ferguson.

Seriously?

No one with the capacity for critical thought is legitimately frustrated by the Grand Jury’s decision in Ferguson.

Black thug gets high, robs store, attacks cop, runs away briefly then charges cop, refuses to stop, takes 6 bullets to bring him down and end the imminent threat to the officers life. Facts born out by witness and autopsy evidence as well as audio recording of shots.

The people in the video are exactly typical of those who are grieving the death of promising felon Mike Brown.

talkingpoints on January 22, 2015 at 7:22 PM

Resist We Much on January 22, 2015 at 6:45 PM

You talk of laws like you worship them as some pagan idol. Laws are made by men. And the law shall never scorn the right of a man to be free!!! What does it profit a man to be born if he is denied his right of liberty! You only give the choice of silent oppression or tyrannical oppression in your synopsis of government. Open your eyes and see, you have a third choice.

OliverB on January 22, 2015 at 7:23 PM

But some are not buying that claim. They say that the release of this video is designed to shape public opinion and frame those who took to the streets to protest the grand jury decision in Ferguson as criminals.

A subtle elision, suggesting that the police are attempting to conflate the looters with the peaceful protestors (if there were any after the first hour).

“Frame” could mean “construct a narrative” or it could mean “pin a crime on the innocent” which makes this an interesting choice of words.

However, when you have video of a person breaking and entering and stealing, it is not a frame in either sense of the word.

AesopFan on January 22, 2015 at 7:24 PM

Damn. The page looks like brushingmyhair’s English papers. Anyone else seeing red?

Resist We Much on January 22, 2015 at 7:22 PM

Me too.
Looks like the N. Koreans have hacked HA.

verbaluce on January 22, 2015 at 7:24 PM

Damn. The page looks like brushingmyhair’s English papers. Anyone else seeing red?

Resist We Much on January 22, 2015 at 7:21 PM

I thought it was just your passionate prose!
(Happened to me for a few minutes, but back to normal now.)

AesopFan on January 22, 2015 at 7:25 PM

you have a third choice.

OliverB on January 22, 2015 at 7:23 PM

And that would be …?

AesopFan on January 22, 2015 at 7:26 PM

Resist We Much on January 22, 2015 at 6:45 PM

You talk of laws like you worship them as some pagan idol. Laws are made by men. And the law shall never scorn the right of a man to be free!!! What does it profit a man to be born if he is denied his right of liberty! You only give the choice of silent oppression or tyrannical oppression in your synopsis of government. Open your eyes and see, you have a third choice.

OliverB on January 22, 2015 at 7:23 PM

Ok…I don’t think you’re even serious/real.
You gotta be some sort of a plant.
This is just ridiculous.

verbaluce on January 22, 2015 at 7:26 PM

Damn. The page looks like brushingmyhair’s English papers. Anyone else seeing red?

Resist We Much on January 22, 2015 at 7:22 PM

Me too.
Looks like the N. Koreans have hacked HA.

verbaluce on January 22, 2015 at 7:24 PM

Back in black.

verbaluce on January 22, 2015 at 7:27 PM

verbaluce on January 22, 2015 at 6:04 PM

LOL, so now you’re denying your movement hasn’t called for violence against cops and fostered an environment to attack cops? Seriously? Officers Ramos and Liu unavailable for comment.

You’re so predictable it’s hilarious.

Sorry shitforbrians, every thing I’ve said has been correct. It’s obvious to everyone who reads this thread.

HumpBot Salvation on January 22, 2015 at 6:38 PM

You know, you can be really effin’ idiotic sometimes.
Use your broad brush to wipe the spittle of your lips.
And then go take a walk or something.

verbaluce on January 22, 2015 at 7:33 PM

Eff You, St. Louis and Fergusen police. You bought and now own this after succumbing to al sharptons’ will and political correctness. I hope Darren Wilson sues you for 50 million dollars and wins.

peacenprosperity on January 22, 2015 at 7:34 PM

That’s why every Revolution other than the American one has ended in oligarchical tyranny, and why we have only put it off for a few centuries.

AesopFan on January 22, 2015 at 7:20 PM

If you don’t think you live under an oligarchy you’re in bad shape brother.

OliverB on January 22, 2015 at 7:36 PM

OliverB on January 22

Okay Hot Air nation–OB is jerking your chain–I’m thinkin’ that it is Resist, or Humpbot or Schadenfreude using the OliverB name to act like some pathetic, OWS loser troll. I would imagine they are having a ball posting this dopey stuff. It is exactly the kind of dreck I would post if I wanted to channel Michael Moore or Sheila Jackson Lee. And no it’s not me–really–I mean it, don’t even think it, it’s not me….. :)

HatfieldMcCoy on January 22, 2015 at 7:54 PM

It isn’t me…..

HatfieldMcCoy on January 22, 2015 at 8:02 PM

If Oliver isn’t a sock….he’s most definitely an enabler.

CW on January 22, 2015 at 8:18 PM

:)

HatfieldMcCoy on January 22, 2015 at 8:26 PM

You talk of laws like you worship them as some pagan idol. Laws are made by men. And the law shall never scorn the right of a man to be free!!! What does it profit a man to be born if he is denied his right of liberty! You only give the choice of silent oppression or tyrannical oppression in your synopsis of government. Open your eyes and see, you have a third choice.

OliverB on January 22, 2015 at 7:23 PM

Oy.

Resist We Much on January 22, 2015 at 8:45 PM

You talk of laws like you worship them as some pagan idol.

OliverB on January 22, 2015 at 7:23 PM

Prolly just my profession.

Resist We Much on January 22, 2015 at 8:47 PM

Another thing… Let’s ruin some lives and send these folks to prison for stealing a loaf of bread to feed their families. Jean Valjean Anyone? Les Miserables!!!!

OliverB on January 22, 2015 at 4:31 PM

Why do they have to steal food? Don’t they have EBT cards, WIC supplements and multiple other welfare programs to ensure that they have the resources to feed themselves and their families?

Oldnuke on January 22, 2015 at 8:55 PM

Why do you assume it’s only African-Americans? Jean Valjean was white. And please don’t refer to African Americans as “black” Imperial Wizard.

OliverB on January 22, 2015 at 4:44 PM

***ALERT***ALERT***ALERT***

Will any member of the “Congressional BLACK Caucus” please pick up the white – err – black courtesy phone?

tanked59 on January 22, 2015 at 5:11 PM

Hey you forgot the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People

and

The UnitedNegro College Fund.

Oldnuke on January 22, 2015 at 8:58 PM

You know, you can be really effin’ idiotic sometimes.
Use your broad brush to wipe the spittle of your lips.
And then go take a walk or something.

verbaluce on January 22, 2015 at 7:33 PM

Take that beam from your own eye, duece. Then go shit on a cop car or something.

For so many – maybe including you – that video is the whole story of Ferguson.
You think Noah & HA are posting it because the want to offer the police ‘help in identifying lawbreakers’? Do they think Blink or Humpbot Salvation might recognize someone?

There were looters in Selma in ’65 and in Memphis in ’68.
Is that the whole story?
For many back then, it was.
So this is just some red meat for those who refuse to acknowledge that all those non-looting protestors had any legitimate grievances.
So we can expect a vibrant life for this video on right/con blogs – where it will be clickbait mania. Further proof of the right’s continued moral deficiency when it comes to matters of race and poverty.

verbaluce on January 22, 2015 at 5:06 PM

So where did you get your marching orders that the release of this tape was to delegitimatize “ferguson”? HuffyPuffy, Mother Jones? Salon?

HumpBot Salvation on January 22, 2015 at 9:12 PM

For so many – maybe including you – that video is the whole story of Ferguson…
 
There were looters in Selma in ’65 and in Memphis in ’68.
Is that the whole story?
For many back then, it was.
So this is just some red meat for those who refuse to acknowledge that all those non-looting protestors had any legitimate grievances.
 
verbaluce on January 22, 2015 at 5:06 PM

 
Holy cow. Ferguson = Selma in ’65 and in Memphis in ’68.
 
Wow.
 
And what were all those “hands up don’t shoot” protestors’ legitimate grievances?
 
Not “they were legitimate grievances” expecting the reader to fill in the blanks with his own perceptions (like imagining Brown yelling “don’t shoot!” with his hands up), but actual legitimate grievances, please.

rogerb on January 23, 2015 at 5:49 AM

If the reforms they seek are somehow hampered by video of violent protesters, then they have shortsightedly made common cause with the wrong people.

….

As for these looters, no one with the capacity for critical thought would claim that they are representative of those who are legitimately frustrated by the grand jury’s decision in Ferguson.

Sorry Noah, I have to take you to task here.

What’s the difference between violent protesters and looters?

These are the terms you used, in the context you used them. Based on this, how can you then claim that no one with the capacity for critical thought could possibly equate them? Neither violent protesters nor looters are seeking any reforms, unless you believe either violence or looting is a legitimate form of protest.

The fact is, the people who refuse to admit the existence of the overwhelming evidence against Michael Brown are doing so because they like to be violent and loot, not because they seek justice (and regardless of the color of their skin).

runawayyyy on January 23, 2015 at 10:57 AM

What if we just stop feeding them?

bogeyman on January 22, 2015 at 5:21 PM

Or what if we give them what they seem to be demanding? Remove all the cops from their neighborhoods, see how they like it then.

runawayyyy on January 23, 2015 at 10:59 AM

Man convicted of murdering two white teens cries out ‘black lives matter‘ during sentencing

Akzed on January 23, 2015 at 11:59 AM

Any thoughts on why these failures keep happening in blue cities where (D)s are in control of the institutions?
 
rogerb on January 22, 2015 at 5:35 PM

 
Simply because (R) and capitalists are too indifferent and apathetic to deal with the nuances of a stratified society.
 
OliverB on January 22, 2015 at 6:33 PM

 
Definitely a sock. A much better (or worse, I suppose, depending on how you view that sort of thing) version of nonpartisan.

rogerb on January 23, 2015 at 2:47 PM

Notice how many are wearing hoodies?

Chitownmom on January 24, 2015 at 3:00 PM

The manufacturer of that invincible door should run this video as an advertisement for secure doors.

Ragnell on January 24, 2015 at 8:20 PM

3 Days! 3 days I say! 3 days and 3 nights of hunger of hopelessness is the only thing that separates you whom post from those souls in that video. Think about it. Please think about it.

OliverB on January 22, 2015 at 5:36 PM

Been there, done that. Actually it was 4, back when I was much younger, having made the mistake of walking away from El Paso (“to the next on ramp”… boy, was that ever a stupid decision) while hitchiking. It took 4 days to walk to Sierra Blanca, 80 miles away, with a gallon of water and no food. 1 gallon of water is not nearly enough for 4 days in the West Texas desert in June. I was in pretty bad shape by the time I got anywhere. 20 more miles and I probably would never have gotten there at all.

At the end of that time, was I desperate enough to steal? No, I wasn’t. I was desperate enough to walk into a truck stop and ask if there was any work I could do to earn the price of a meal.

Only the most desperate would loot.

OliverB on January 22, 2015 at 5:27 PM

It has been my experience that the willingness to steal is much more often based in arrogance than in desperation. In other words, it’s much more likely to be “I want” than “I need.” It’s based in the assumption that the thief’s rights and desires are the only ones that really matter.

In fairness, I don’t think you’re being deliberately dishonest with us…. I suspect you’re being deliberately dishonest with yourself.

GrumpyOldFart on January 25, 2015 at 10:47 AM