Wow: Rolling Stone now doubts account of victim in its bombshell story about a gang rape at UVA; Update: WaPo issues clarification
posted at 2:41 pm on December 5, 2014 by Allahpundit
And to think, this morning it looked like TNR would surely have the worst day among old liberal magazines that no one reads anymore.
A total travesty. But no lessons will be learned here.
Because of the sensitive nature of Jackie’s story, we decided to honor her request not to contact the man she claimed orchestrated the attack on her nor any of the men she claimed participated in the attack for fear of retaliation against her. In the months Erdely spent reporting the story, Jackie neither said nor did anything that made Erdely, or Rolling Stone’s editors and fact-checkers, question Jackie’s credibility. Her friends and rape activists on campus strongly supported Jackie’s account. She had spoken of the assault in campus forums. We reached out to both the local branch and the national leadership of the fraternity where Jackie said she was attacked. They responded that they couldn’t confirm or deny her story but had concerns about the evidence.
In the face of new information, there now appear to be discrepancies in Jackie’s account, and we have come to the conclusion that our trust in her was misplaced. We were trying to be sensitive to the unfair shame and humiliation many women feel after a sexual assault and now regret the decision to not contact the alleged assaulters to get their account. We are taking this seriously and apologize to anyone who was affected by the story.
“We decided to honor her request not to contact” the alleged rapist is RS-speak for “we’re terrible, irresponsible journalists.” As for the unspecified “discrepancies,” WaPo found all kinds of details that the crack Rolling Stone fact-checking team somehow missed:
Officials close to the fraternity said that the statement will indicate that Phi Kappa Psi did not host a party on Sept. 28, 2012, the night that a university student named Jackie alleges she was invited to a date party, lured into an upstairs room and was then ambushed and gang-raped by seven men who were rushing the fraternity…
The officials also said that no members of the fraternity were employed at the university’s Aquatic Fitness Center during that time frame — a detail Jackie provided in her account to Rolling Stone and in interviews with The Washington Post — and that no member of the house matches the description detailed in the Rolling Stone account…
A group of Jackie’s close friends, who are sex assault advocates at U-Va., said they believe something traumatic happened to Jackie but have come to doubt her account. They said details have changed over time, and they have not been able to verify key points of the story in recent days. A name of an alleged attacker that Jackie provided to them for the first time this week, for example, turned out to be similar to the name of a student who belongs to a different fraternity, and no one by that name has been a member of Phi Kappa Psi.
I can’t quote more than that for fair-use reasons but read it all, as it includes their own interview with “Jackie,” the alleged victim. One key detail: Jackie claims that, after being interviewed by Sabrina Rubin Erdely, the author of the Rolling Stone piece, she actually asked Erdely to remove her from the story. Erdely refused. She’d spent weeks interviewing students at universities across the country looking for a blockbuster story of campus rape (“rape shopping,” as Daily Caller writer Chris Bray puts it). Jackie’s story was too good to pass up and ultimately, quite literally, too good to check. Jackie went on to tell the Post that she felt manipulated by Erdely and, while insisting that the story is true, admitted that “some details in the article might not be accurate.”
Another key detail: WaPo claims that Jackie didn’t reveal the name of her main attacker to friends until earlier this week. Which means, as Peter Suderman notes, that not only did Rolling Stone run this without asking the accused for his side of the story, they ran it without even knowing who he was. Imagine being in RS’s legal department, facing a blockbuster defamation suit from members of the fraternity where the rape supposedly happened, and trying to massage that fact. WaPo, doing the work that Rolling Stone wouldn’t, eventually tracked this guy down and decided to chat with him about it. Result: They concluded that not only isn’t this guy a member of the fraternity in question, he had never met Jackie. Keep that in mind in the aftermath of all this, when the “Justice 4 Jackie” brigades inevitably double down and insist that her story must be broadly true even if she misremembered a few details. How do you misremember your chief attacker as someone you’ve never met? Where did she even get this guy’s name? [Update: WaPo has now walked this back. See below.]
I wonder how much longer Rolling Stone would have sat on the story without WaPo burning them by doing the investigation they should have done. The editor’s note from RS appeared online this afternoon right around the time the Post’s new story about Jackie was being published; obviously, Rolling Stone ate sh*t here “voluntarily” only because they knew that WaPo was about to bring down the hammer. Otherwise they would have gone on standing by Jackie as long as they could, and not just because they’re disgracefully irresponsible reporters. As Richard Bradley and Robby Soave found out this week, questioning the story of a rape victim even when there are obvious reasons to be skeptical is a felony thoughtcrime. Had Rolling Stone belatedly pulled the trap door on Jackie itself, without pressure from WaPo, it would have enraged the Stalinist wing of feminism that’s been unloading on Bradley and Soave all week. In fact, even Jackie’s smear of the seemingly innocent frat boys will be framed in the aftermath of this as being chiefly a wound to women, not men. I understand that logic — Ashe Schow is right that every false rape claim makes it harder for true rape victims to get a fair hearing — but imagine being the guy whom Jackie named as her attacker, who’d apparently never even met her, and getting a call from the Washington Post one day asking if you’re the perp behind a horrendous rape that was written up in Rolling Stone. Who’s the most proximate victim here?
But no lessons will be learned. That’s not how this works; if it did, the Duke lacrosse fiasco would have made Rolling Stone — and the faculty at UVA — more skeptical than they were. The “logic” that even false rape claims must be treated as irrebuttably true to ensure that actual cases of rape are punished will continue to hold, although it’s a safe bet that RS will be a little more circumspect about what it publishes once the frat is done cleaning out Jann Wenner and his insurers. RS’s goal in all this was to find a Teachable Moment about campus rape, and the thing about Teachable Moments is that they don’t have to be actually true to be teachable. In fact, arguably, the less true they are, the more teachable they are; a good “just-so story” requires simple facts and reality is rarely simple, as you see when you compare the “hands up, don’t shoot” version of the Ferguson shooting with the actual evidence. The Teachable Moment here was that rape does happen on campus (true) and that frats are dangerous (sometimes true). Why get bogged down in whether the particular details in this case support that all-important lesson? I’ll leave you with the words of Jackie herself:
“Haven’t enough people come forward at this point?” she said. “How many people do you need to come forward saying they’ve been raped at a fraternity to make it real to you? They need to acknowledge it’s a problem they need to address instead of pointing fingers to take the blame off themselves.”
Her story served its purpose. What more could you want?
Update: Another discrepancy: According to the fraternity, Jackie couldn’t have been at one of their pledge events in late September. They pledge in the spring, not the fall.
Update: And one more kick in the teeth for Robby Soave, who had the gall to approach a rape victim’s story critically and, by the way, ended up being totally right:
Amazingly dismissive response from Jezebel writer to Reason journalist they attacked for doubting UVA account. pic.twitter.com/AWlp6wD72Y
— Mark Hemingway (@Heminator) December 5, 2014
Update: Annnnnd now WaPo is walking back a detail from its own reporting. Their original report, as noted above, claimed that Jackie had never met the man she claimed raped her. WaPo presented that as a fact, as though they had investigated it and were asserting it themselves. Nope:
Clarification: An earlier version of this story did not properly attribute in one instance a statement about whether Jackie had met the man she named to friends as one of her attackers.
The story now makes clear that the man himself claims he never met Jackie. WaPo is taking no position on whether that’s true or not.
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Maybe they could rehire Michael Mann to help hide the decline in their reputation.
Flange on December 5, 2014 at 4:17 PM
Because nothing says credible like Please don’t contact anybody who can disprove my story.
Buckland on December 5, 2014 at 4:18 PM
Confirming that the problem runs deep across journalism. This is how they are trained: narrative first, find some fact to back it up, publish.
dedomenologist on December 5, 2014 at 4:20 PM
One mistake RS and Erderly made was to have the venue in WaPo’s back yard. With all the red flags in the reporting, plus some of the more “out there” “facts” presented in the story, it was just too easy for WaPo to start digging. And despite all of RS’s supposed fact checking and legal checking, the story fell apart in nearly record time. Whoops.
Others have pointed out, it will be interesting to see if Lena Dunham faces any fallout for her “story.” I look forward to that, especially since it has appeared to have had a real detrimental effect on the supposed “perp.”
As some cooler heads have pointed out, trying to make a story that is “fake but true” is unhelpful for real instances of rape. We don’t need innocent victims being accused of rape and we don’t need innocent victims fearful of reporting rape. We need to treat allegations seriously, as crimes, and investigate them as such, without the sensationalizing or pre-supposing guilt.
Grinch on December 5, 2014 at 4:20 PM
UVA campus sexual assault allegations
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Editor’s note: The Phi Kappa Psi fraternity has released a statement on the now retracted University of Virginia rape story, saying members were ‘shocked’ by the allegations. – Tom
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Phi Kappa Psi Fraternity
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Official Statement from the Virginia Alpha Chapter at University of Virginia
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Over the past two weeks the Virginia Alpha Chapter of Phi Kappa Psi has been working tirelessly and openly with the Charlottesville Police Department as they investigate the allegations detailed in the November 19, 2014 Rolling Stone article. We continue to be shocked by the allegations and saddened by this story. We have no knowledge of these alleged acts being committed at our house or by our members. Anyone who commits any form of sexual assault, wherever or whenever, should be identified and brought to justice.
In tandem with the Charlottesville Police Department’s investigation, the Chapter’s undergraduate members have made efforts to contribute with internal fact-finding. Our initial doubts as to the accuracy of the article have only been strengthened as alumni and undergraduate members have delved deeper. Given the ongoing nature of the criminal investigation, which we fully support, we do not feel it would be appropriate at this time to provide more than the following:
First, the 2012 roster of employees at the Aquatic and Fitness Center does not list a Phi Kappa Psi as a lifeguard. As far as we have determined, no member of our fraternity worked there in any capacity during this time period.
Second, the Chapter did not have a date function or a social event during the weekend of September 28th, 2012.
Third, our Chapter’s pledging and initiation periods, as required by the University and Inter-Fraternity Council, take place solely in the spring semester and not in the fall semester. We document the initiation of new members at the end of each spring. Moreover, no ritualized sexual assault is part of our pledging or initiation process. This notion is vile, and we vehemently refute this claim.
It is our hope that this information will encourage people who may know anything relevant to this case to contact the Charlottesville Police Department as soon as possible. In the meantime, we will continue to assist investigators in whatever way we can.
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http://www.phikappapsi.com/news/updateuvapressrelease
canopfor on December 5, 2014 at 4:23 PM
Ted Kennedy could not be reached for comment.
viking01 on December 5, 2014 at 4:27 PM
I see Amanda Marcotte, who immediately declares all men guilty of rape based on accusation alone, wants to make sure we provide “Jackie” all the benefit of the doubt we would surely provide the rapist:
https://twitter.com/amandamarcotte
you cant make this stuff up
lostinjrz on December 5, 2014 at 4:27 PM
Marcotte is as expected.
OhioJones on December 5, 2014 at 4:32 PM
Rolling Stone also ruined the career of Stanley McCrhrystal, the head of NATO operations in Afghan. They have a nasty habit of throwing people under the bus who contradict their liberal ideologies.
djaymick on December 5, 2014 at 4:35 PM
Even a minimally skilled “journalist” might have asked how many stitches each of the participants needed.
dentarthurdent on December 5, 2014 at 4:48 PM
So even ‘Jackie’ is now feeling ‘manipulated by Erdely,’ who, coincidentally, was reportedly working on a screenplay based on the story.
Can we call Erdely, at least, a lying, money-grubbing, fraudulent whore? Or is truth not enough for Salem MegaCorp?
Adjoran on December 5, 2014 at 4:49 PM
You literally cannot make this stuff up
But Jackie, how many of these stories are like yours? Yours was not real- what’s to say any are real?
How does telling your particular lie make any other story more true?
Dolce Far Niente on December 5, 2014 at 4:58 PM
Reminds me of the Jameis Winston Case.
Let’s see if a prosecutor will touch this case.
weedisgood on December 5, 2014 at 5:36 PM
UVA campus sexual assault allegations
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Editor’s note: After Rolling Stone retracts story about campus rape, University of Virginia President Teresa A. Sullivan releases statement, saying, in part: ‘We will continue our community-wide discussions and actions on these important issues in the weeks and months ahead.’ – Tom
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Statement of University of Virginia President Teresa A. Sullivan
December 5, 2014
University of Virginia President Teresa A. Sullivan today issued the following statement:
The University of Virginia is aware of today’s reports from the Washington Post and the statement from Rolling Stone magazine.
The University remains first and foremost concerned with the care and support of our students and, especially, any survivor of sexual assault. Our students, their safety, and their wellbeing, remain our top priority.
Over the past two weeks, our community has been more focused than ever on one of the most difficult and critical issues facing higher education today: sexual violence on college campuses. Today’s news must not alter this focus.
We will continue to take a hard look at our practices, policies and procedures, and continue to dedicate ourselves to becoming a model institution in our educational programming, in the character of our student culture, and in our care for those who are victims.
We are a learning community, and we will continue our community-wide discussions and actions on these important issues in the weeks and months ahead. We remain committed to taking action as necessary to bring about meaningful cultural change in our University community.
http://news.virginia.edu/content/statement-university-virginia-president-teresa-sullivan
canopfor on December 5, 2014 at 5:39 PM
Are there journalists any more? Why are so many journalist, these days, willing to not do the hard work to put a factual story together? After 6 years of watching a President of the United States get a free ride from the media, you really have to wonder if we should pull the credentials of all schools of Journalism and start over again.
bflat879 on December 5, 2014 at 5:39 PM
Breaking: 3 Black Males Pull White Woman From Her Car, Beat Her, In St Louis
Resist We Much on December 5, 2014 at 5:40 PM
Thats pretty much how both the newspaper on Lena Dunam’s college campus and Dunam herself reacted to people looking for facts vs fantasy.
I have a real problem with the notion any man would want to be within 3′ of Dunam. Yech!
Dick Richard on December 5, 2014 at 5:44 PM
There are lots and lots of people with mental issues out there.
justltl on December 5, 2014 at 5:51 PM
So how likely is it that “Jackie” is Lena Dunham?
dtb on December 5, 2014 at 5:52 PM
And by “mental issues” I mean “batshit crazy”.
justltl on December 5, 2014 at 5:53 PM
SIL lives in an area of St. Louis that is only separated by a highway from this violence. I’m literally scared to click on some of these stories.
I hope SIL is still carrying.
Fallon on December 5, 2014 at 5:55 PM
I can’t even count the.number of friends and children of friends who are UVA alums and current students. They are apoplectic about this smear of their beloved university. It isn’t just the fraternity, all male students and grads now feel they have to defend themselves as not-rapists.
When the RS story first broke I was concerned that the author chose UVA precisely because of its proximity to Washington. But it seems she has been hoist by her own petard, as there are still real journalists at the Post. I’m guessing that when the story first hit a lot of folks at the Post were pissed that they were scooped by Rolling Stone. But when they realized there was more actual reporting to be done on the story, it was easy for some REAL journalists to do the work Ms. Erdely could not be bothered with. Their motive might not have been pure, but the result is pure gold.
LOL at every idiot feminist who was fished in by this story.
rockmom on December 5, 2014 at 6:00 PM
And you wonder why the media is one of the most hated institutions in America…
William Eaton on December 5, 2014 at 6:16 PM
I’m struggling to come up with an adjective to qualify Ann Merlan’s “retraction” piece on Jezebel and most of the comments there – she and here readers are expressing grief and disappointment that a gang rape didn’t actually occur. I’d say unbelievable – but sadly predictable is more accurate.
joana on December 5, 2014 at 6:19 PM
This is the sad thing about sexual assault. If indeed one occurred on the horrific level that “Jackie” described, it was over two years ago. She didn’t go to the hospital, or the police, she kept quiet about it for so long now the story is open to speculation and is suspect. If this ghastly assault happened, those responsible will likely never be charged because it’s too late and it’s been reported that her facts don’t line up. Whether that’s because it never happened, or it did on a smaller scale, or she blocked things out or totally made it up, no one knows but “Jackie”. What are the police supposed to do with that?
scalleywag on December 5, 2014 at 6:24 PM
William Eaton on December 5, 2014 at 6:26 PM
Rush has said for years that liberals lie. I thought that was a little strong at one time.
But now after being Gruberized, Rapized and Feminized, it occurs to me that the overriding fact here is lying by liberals to justify the ends is an overriding theme.
The second assumption becoming quite clear after the first, is that liberals then assume we are all too stupid to figure out the truth, and even if we do the “narrative” is still more important as a “metaphor”.
Sick people and their sick world view is crumbling about them.
Starlink on December 5, 2014 at 6:26 PM
It makes sense once you’ve realized that radical feminists actually hate and despise women. That revelation took me by surprise at first, but everything these people do confirms it.
Inkblots on December 5, 2014 at 6:30 PM
I haven’t talked to anyone about this story that didn’t realize it was fake from the first time they heard it. The really remarkable thing about this story is that either everyone at Rolling Stone was too stupid to notice this, or they thought the public was even dumber than they are.
Inkblots on December 5, 2014 at 6:34 PM
Hmmmm. So if Jackie’s allegations turn out to be fabricated, does she get prosecuted? If she’s sent to prison and becomes a prison rape victim, will anybody believe her?
ElectricPhase on December 5, 2014 at 6:38 PM
Colleges nowadays have so many different groups that address so many issues, sexual assault, depression, drug and alcohol dependency, social issues, mental illness, handicaps, there are support groups for EVERYthing on campuses, so if you were the victim of an assault of this nature, there was support for you and assistance was available. At least it is at the college I work for. There is also a campus police force.
scalleywag on December 5, 2014 at 6:39 PM
lying to a reporter isn’t illegal. she could face civil liability but it would probably be a stretch and if she were sued and lost I doubt she has enough money to make it worthwhile. rolling stone may have some serious exposure and would probably fight tooth and nail to settle instead of going to court.
chasdal on December 5, 2014 at 6:40 PM
Uh-oh, from over at Townhall, it looks like our intrepid reporter has reported thing that just weren’t so before:
Looks like Ms. Ederly needs to have the crap sued outta her as she has a disregard for the truth and others reputations.
Doc Holliday on December 5, 2014 at 6:41 PM
Old and busted: Fake, but accurate
New hotness: True, but inaccurate
Socratease on December 5, 2014 at 6:47 PM
It’s flabbergasting to read and hear people complain that this only means others will be less likely to come forward because they’ll be called liars. Apparently, you should be able to yell rape and just have that be the final word. Inconsistencies and outright falsehoods? Who cares! We still know rape happens, so why does it matter?
Just incredible.
changer1701 on December 5, 2014 at 6:50 PM
Didn’t the whole statement say “Jackie” has been speaking publicly on campus about this for some time? How does that jive with “don’t talk to the perps because I fear retribution”?
MC88 on December 5, 2014 at 6:50 PM
University of Virginia President Teresa A. Sullivan shut down the entire Greek system on the basis of this report. She should be forced from office. Again. This time I suspect fewer will rally to the defense of an incompetent hack.
Happy Nomad on December 5, 2014 at 6:55 PM
You mean like the rape part?
Happy Nomad on December 5, 2014 at 6:56 PM
I’d say it goes further than that. College students, especially females, are inundated with information about how they can deal with sexual assault, unplanned pregnancy, or anything else.
I know that this isn’t sympathetic to Jackie who may be a victim of something, a woman with mental problems, or some other factor that would garner sympathy. Nevertheless the biotch managed to shut down the entire Greek system at UVA with her accusations and Rolling Stone’s irresponsible journalism.
Happy Nomad on December 5, 2014 at 7:01 PM
No kidding. Bet there won’t be protests to keep her this time (unless they’re from the student feminists who desperately want this to be true and insist it is…even if it’s not).
changer1701 on December 5, 2014 at 7:01 PM
Our public education system today doesn’t teach kids how to think and question and reason, it just conditions them to automatically react to leftist narratives.
Socratease on December 5, 2014 at 7:03 PM
I think it may be more than that, Happy Nomad–I would be very, very curious to know if she has had any contact with Ms. Erdely, the reporter, or Rolling Stone prior to this. I would not at all be surprised to find that this is a planned and coordinated attack by members of the UVA administration and Rolling Stone and the reporter against the greek system.
The school I went to was VERY heavily Greek–more than 80% of the student body were involved–and there were members of the faculty and administration who HATED the fraternities and sororities with a passion.
Doc Holliday on December 5, 2014 at 7:05 PM
Teresa Sullivan should have (and I suspect will have) consequences for the way she jumped on this story to shut down the Greek System. I suspect this was a knee-jerk reaction to the criticism UVA got from having an underage student get drunk and be lured to her death- all within a mile from Mr. Jefferson’s “Academic Lawn.”
You make an interesting point about UVA administration’s participation in this article. There were several 80%+ Greek schools near where I went to college. The accusations made by Jackie would have been manna from heaven to the faculties of these schools. Mainly because of the lack of inclusiveness of the very idea of a fraternity. Sororities seem to get a pass because it is a way for women to bond in a male dominated world (or something).
Happy Nomad on December 5, 2014 at 7:22 PM
Rape in under-reported in the press, no doubt; lying is hardly acknowledged at all. What’s increasingly evident, though, is that reporters often choose to be mouthpieces for causes driven by litigators, politicians, and even histrionic young people. Is there any clearer evidence of the failure to teach critical thinking in our universities? Is there any better evidence that the gimlet-eyed editors at the daily rag don’t really care about the truth as long as the story drives advertising revenue?
foredeck on December 5, 2014 at 7:23 PM
BTW- do we get protests on UVA’s Lawn over these false accusation’s? A “lie in” to object to Teresa Sullivan’s unfair condemnation of the Greek System? Chants of “Pants Up, No Rape?”
Happy Nomad on December 5, 2014 at 7:25 PM
Again, I think the Administration was involved in this event–it is a staged effort to “focus on one of the most difficult and critical issues facing higher education today: sexual violence on college campuses…”
They (the administration, along with Rolling stone, the arthor and local “activists”)planned the story, they planted the story, then they used the outrage to attack that flagship of the “patriarchy”–the fraternity system.
Seem a little over the top? Look at that quote again–the University administration is NOT AT ALL sorry about the damage to the reputation of the fraternity, the individuals, or even the University itself–their only concern is the maintenance of a level of focus on the fashionable cause of the Left, and the opportunity to attack those they define as enemies.
Doc Holliday on December 5, 2014 at 7:26 PM
And when this finally goes to court, a blizzard of subpoenas to the administration, Rolling Stone, the reporter, and others involved would be a good place to start.
Doc Holliday on December 5, 2014 at 7:28 PM
I have to believe that when she refused to identify her accuser that the editors took a gamble despite the lack of corroboration and just figured that even if the story was not true it was too juicy to pass up and ultimately her word against anyone else. jackie is still trying to assert her story, but now it appears made up out of whole cloth and nothing adds up.
Jackie will be outed sooner or later by students and the attorneys will have a field day. How do you measure damages to every fraternity member’s reputation?
Starlink on December 5, 2014 at 7:32 PM
So, when will the press reveal the lying liar’s full name?
Ha ha. Just kidding. Everyone knows women have no agency and are therefore beyond blame.
Nomennovum on December 5, 2014 at 7:36 PM
I think they journalists should, although they wont, look for connections to the hysteria on campus following the arrest of the serial rapist/murder Matthews. There was some defence of him, and some blaming that “rape happens on campus all the time,” by his defenders. I was surprised at the time that anyone was defending him, but maybe a journalist might look into the connection about these claims.
Fleuries on December 5, 2014 at 7:37 PM
Well, the attorneys will go after the deepest pockets and the University shutting down the entire fraternity system will bring them in. Wait until the internal emails at the administration start the hit the press. Like the Penn State case, the damage will last for years from alumni and donors.
Starlink on December 5, 2014 at 7:37 PM
Yup.
University administrator/faculty types are much like fascist/communists in government. They cannot stand for there to be alternative power structures on campus or in society, respectively. Therefor they jump at any chance to try and crush organizations like fraternities and sororities on campus or churches and charities in society.
Doc Holliday on December 5, 2014 at 7:42 PM
The spin is already starting. Jackie may be a liar but, clearly, something happened that made her say the things she did. She’s still a victim!
That’s why a lawsuit against Jackie, Rolling Stone, Erdely, and UVA is going to be necessary. Why do you think that Rolling Stone so quickly threw Erdely under the bus?
Most importantly, Jackie makes it that much harder for other women (who might actually have cause) to come forward.
Happy Nomad on December 5, 2014 at 7:43 PM
I think that is going to happen anyway. Yeardley Love’s death. Heather Graham’s death. This assault by the administration on the Greek System. UVA clearly is getting extra drafty these days from Jefferson spinning in his grave on a nearby mountain.
Happy Nomad on December 5, 2014 at 7:49 PM
Breaking: 3 Black Males Pull White Woman From Her Car, Beat Her, In St Louis
Resist We Much on December 5, 2014 at 5:40 PM
RWM: Been look’n for you,……HATE CRIME:)
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Bosnia and Herzegovina
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St. Louis police, FBI investigating early morning attack on Bosnian woman as hate crime – @stltoday
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canopfor on December 5, 2014 at 7:52 PM
Modern feminists, in general, don’t cate the damsge they do to men. Part of the problem is they have radical lesbians as leaders.
CW on December 5, 2014 at 8:03 PM
A false rape accusation should be criminal, with the mandatory penalty of five years on the sex offender list, to be expunged upon satisfaction of the sentence, so the accuser will know what she has put an innocent young man through. That will make these girls think twice about making false accusations because they regret a stupid decision.
tommytom02 on December 5, 2014 at 8:08 PM
Duke
mankai on December 5, 2014 at 8:09 PM
These same femists were all over this story…. . .
http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2013/07/18/records-texas-teenager-raped-men-cheered/KKhs0NC1XuKFOTDMwOiOtM/story.html
Oh wait……
CW on December 5, 2014 at 8:15 PM
I don’t think this has ever really been true, for newspapers or just gossip.
Check out Elaine Alphin’s book “An Unspeakable Crime” for another rush-to-judgment-’cause-you-just-know-he-did-it story.
From 1913.
AesopFan on December 5, 2014 at 8:26 PM
Jackie should go to jail.
The reporter should be blackballed from journalism.
Rolling Stone should be sued into submission.
John the Libertarian on December 5, 2014 at 9:13 PM
I was at UVa for 6 years. Loved it and Charlottesville.
The UVa students struck me as kinda light in the loafers, IYGMDAITYD.
Do gay guys rape women?
I rest my case.
justltl on December 5, 2014 at 9:23 PM
The fact that anyone would depend on Rolling Stone for anything close to the truth scares me worse than my TV stuck on………..Jon Stewart.
Oilypablo on December 5, 2014 at 9:56 PM
Chrystal Magnum, the Duke lax accuser, had the semen of 4 men in her and on her clothes after the “rape”. Small problem for the ambitious prosecutor and enraged progressive faculty: none of the “donors” we’re on the team. She is now doing time for another unrelated fraud, and those kids’ lives are still trashed.
cosifantutte on December 5, 2014 at 10:20 PM
I was in a fraternity… Knew a lot of other guys in other fraternities… We’re some of them whore hounds? Sure. Were a few capable of this level of depravity? Possibly. But I can’t imagine even the frats I hated (Sig Eps and Pi Kapps) going anywhere near this level of horror.
You’d have to have not only 8 guys capable of this, you’d have to have an entire fraternity stay silent about it (no way it would stay secret). I can’t imagine that. Not from I’ve seen anyway.
Oh, the guys I knew were in frats, we were, of course, in a Fraternity.
mankai on December 5, 2014 at 10:29 PM
Upton Sinclair knowingly lied about Sacco and Vanzetti. He knew they were guilty as hell and admitted as much in a letter he left behind. He had an agenda and he didn’t care what he had to do to advance it.
mankai on December 5, 2014 at 10:32 PM
Cosifantutte… From Wiki. ” – Second-degree murder conviction-
Mangum was arrested on April 2, 2011, following accusations that she repeatedly stabbed and seriously injured a second boyfriend, Reginald Daye. She was charged with assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill or inflicting serious bodily injury, a class C felony in North Carolina.”
CW on December 5, 2014 at 10:57 PM
Ten days later Daye died leading to the murder charge.
CW on December 5, 2014 at 10:59 PM
Checking sh*t before they write a story about a group they don’t like ain’t exactly how liberals Roll.
Sherman1864 on December 6, 2014 at 12:20 AM
Rush doesn’t call the media the “drive-bys” for nothing.
txhsmom on December 6, 2014 at 1:03 AM
Another Bosnian? Wasn’t the guy who was murdered with hammers by some black guys a Bosnian too?
txhsmom on December 6, 2014 at 1:04 AM
Um… Rolling Stone?
They apologize for being stoned and stupid all the time?
As if anybody ever read it or cared.
Mad magazine has better journalist’s.
Be serious.
Snowshooze on December 6, 2014 at 1:17 AM
Oh Lord-y. The poor aggrieved college students will find it a bit harder to get wasted on the weekends. There have been enough issues that have come out about rape and hazing at Greek organizations lately that colleges should consider placing restrictions on these organizations. For instance, they could say no to the houses or at least say no to the weekend booze fests. How about telling the houses that they have to be completely dry?
Illinidiva on December 6, 2014 at 2:52 AM
Boy, ain’t that the truth!
In fact, I heard that some woman was gang-raped by seven fraternity members at the University of Virginia of all places!!!
justltl on December 6, 2014 at 6:40 AM
If sexual assault was really a major problem on college campuses they wouldn’t have to manufacture these stories in an attempt to document it.
tommyboy on December 6, 2014 at 7:48 AM
And right here, the true intent of feminist is articulated in all its man-hating glory. UVA shut down the frats in response to an obvious lie and this diva celebrates, because this is the feminist’s goal: to destroy another male organization. This purported bastion of male privilege must be torn down. No more all-male clubs. Women will never rest until they have wrecked everything.
Any of you naïve men out there who doubt the true goal of the feminists, read this and wake up. None of this is about rape. It is all about power. Women want to control men. Feminism is not about equality. They want it all, all right.
And, Illini Diva, it is not up to you, you miserable rotten unhappy envious entitled selfish woman, to dictate how men conduct their private affairs in the private organizations. Try minding your own business, fascist.
Nomennovum on December 6, 2014 at 9:01 AM
“Sure you are.”
Such class and grace. Frankly, after watching the fallout and meltdown of various feminists yesterday, I think one can rationally, reasonably argue feminists are upset the rape didn’t actually happen.
Think about that for a moment. Here they had their story: a sweet girl brutalized at the hands of a vestige of “the Patriarchy” in a horrific manner. They could use this to demand the change they’ve wanted for so long now.
Except it didn’t happen.
I am quite frightened by their reaction. In the face of doubt and the questionable veracity of Jackie’s account as detailed in Rolling Stone, they are ignoring that reality and demanding conviction based on feelings.
And, today, that happens to college boys. Tomorrow, it happens to you. Guilty until proven innocent and, when proven innocent, still guilty. For the Agenda.
These people are dangerous on top of being demonstrably idiotic.
englishqueen01 on December 6, 2014 at 9:02 AM
Stop making a salient point!
Those who conspired to get this false rape claim out there are aggrieved morons who have a pathological problem with straight males.
Anti-ControI on December 6, 2014 at 9:02 AM
From Jackie in the article:
From the inimitable illinidiva:
Clearly lion-azz Jackie and the Diva share a single brain. Fake but accurate.
Dolce Far Niente on December 6, 2014 at 9:04 AM
Of course, sex assault is not major problem on campuses. The major problem is the Cultural Marxists, the feminists, and their dupes.
Nomennovum on December 6, 2014 at 9:05 AM
Well, now it’s been established in that neighborhood and any place else thanks to the internet that when some black dudes step in front of your vehicle to try to stop you that you have the right to mow them down. And maybe back up and try it again just to make sure they can’t harm you. That’s what I would do.
HiJack on December 6, 2014 at 9:11 AM
Rolling Stone ceased being any sort of a “journalistic”-type newspaper 30 years ago.
I wonder if all the defamation claims will put them out of business?
EdmundBurke247 on December 6, 2014 at 9:17 AM
I am far beyond the point of “thinking” this is the case. Look at their rhetoric – anyone who’d argue against what you’re saying should be seen as an unintelligent debater.
Yep – leftards are enemies of humanity, and really do suck! :)
Anti-ControI on December 6, 2014 at 9:24 AM
I was watching Fox, Gretta I think.
There was some woman actually defending the rape allegations.
She said that this same (now falsely accused) Fraternity had an incident where someone put GHB in the punch and police are investigating, AT A DIFFERENT CAMPUS AND IN A DIFFERENT STATE.
Well a graduate of Brown University embezzled money, all Brown graduates should be fired and arrested or at least investigated.
It is amazing that members of one fraternity are accused of wrong and they close all greek activities, INCLUDING THE SORORITIES. No investigation.
But hundreds of muslims kill and hundreds of millions proclaim they want to kill Americans, but we are to infer nothing about how that relates to the group.
barnone on December 6, 2014 at 9:56 AM
Of course, this is correct.
Modern feminists are butthurt about their lot in life, and try to undermine the biological reality of male dominance wherever they can, preferring matriarchy to patriarchy. Too bad for them they are too stupid to realize they can’t win in the end…unalterable facts trump their feelings & wishes – they can’t emotionally manipulate every male on the planet, because we aren’t all Pajama Boys… :)
Anti-ControI on December 6, 2014 at 10:00 AM
A Rolling Stone expose gathers no facts
LittleNicky on December 6, 2014 at 10:10 AM
and the knee-jerk suspension of all Greek organisations at UVa will be rescinded WHEN?
WaldoTJ on December 6, 2014 at 10:41 AM
that ALL depends on what your definition of “sexual assault” is. if you include all sorts of “micro-aggressions” … well, then – you’ve got a full-blown EPIDEMIC.
Why anyone would send their male child to any state-sponsored university is beyond me. that alone should be classed as child abuse; putting them in harms way.
WaldoTJ on December 6, 2014 at 10:46 AM
There were some harsh allegations of hazing prior to UVA that have led to the deaths of frat pledges.
They suspended both the girl and guy’s Greek clubs which serve no purpose other than to promote getting wasted and doing silly things on weekends. And these clubs are chartered by the universities. They are registered student organizations. What I proposed, telling the frats and sororities that they have to be dry isn’t an awful thing. Most college kids cannot legally drink and people can find other ways to drink. The party culture on campuses has gotten out of hand.
Illinidiva on December 6, 2014 at 11:36 AM
My, my look who are the Puritans now.
tommyboy on December 6, 2014 at 12:48 PM
You’re off by a decade.
RS’s decline began in 1975, when their co-founder Ralph J. Gleason died when he was only 58 years old. He was actually a journalist, as he worked for the Office of War Information in WW II and later became a hugely respected music critic (mainly jazz).
And the RS decline continued in 1981 when Ben Fong-Torres left. The rag hasn’t been the same ever since.
As for ad revenue, if you pick up a copy of the latest RS, you’ll find more ad content than actual print content.
Del Dolemonte on December 6, 2014 at 1:11 PM
So the good socons are now fine with the devil’s drink, alcohol? Last time I checked drinking, dancing, and being alone with the ladies were all works of the devil.
And I have nothing against the college kids drinking but the Greek system serves no noble purpose outside excessive partying and drinking.
Illinidiva on December 6, 2014 at 2:14 PM
What century is this again? Go home, honey, yer drunk…
Maddie on December 6, 2014 at 3:48 PM
I was being sarcastic. I don’t see why a bunch of socons are uptight about the suggestion that frats and sororities sould be dry however. It would resolve the problem.
Illinidiva on December 6, 2014 at 4:09 PM
What problem?
tommyboy on December 6, 2014 at 5:13 PM
Which is why you DO NOT treat alleged rape victims with more credibility then any other alleged victim.
Someone makes an accusation and an investigation starts. The accused are innocent until proven guilty. This should not be a hard concept for people but apparently some people are having a very hard time with very fundamental concepts of our legal and ethical system.
Do women sometimes feel deep shame and remorse when they bring these matters in for investigation? Of course. And that is regrettable but it does not absolve anyone from due process.
Due process happens or there is no formal investigation or prosecution period.
Karmashock on December 7, 2014 at 4:30 PM
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