Nonpartisan organization confirms the GOP can defund Obama’s immigration order

posted at 3:01 pm on November 26, 2014 by Noah Rothman

As Allahpundit observed on Tuesday, congressional Republicans agree that Barack Obama’s executive actions involving the extension of legal status to millions of illegal immigrants have to be fought. The GOP is, however, split on what methods would be the most effective in blunting or even reversing Obama’s actions.

Congress’s more conservative elements believe that a series of symbolic measures should be used in conjunction with more operationally focused tactics. Some, like Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), have suggested that Congress should not invite Obama to Congress for his annual State of the Union Address and that no presidential nominee should be confirmed until these orders are stricken.

Others believe that more practical measures should be taken, and those who support his approach have largely settled on a plan that would use a continuing budget resolution in combination with an omnibus spending bill to fund the government with the exception of Obama’s immigration enforcement measures. Allahpundit noted that the GOP is calling the plan “CROmnibus.”

Some like top House appropriator Rep. Hal Rogers (R-KY) have claimed that the GOP does not have the authority to de-fund the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services agency. “The agency has the ability to continue to collect and use fees to continue current operations, and to expand operations as under a new Executive Order, without needing legislative approval by the Appropriations Committee or the Congress, even under a continuing resolution or a government shutdown,” read a House Appropriations Committee statement.

On Wednesday, Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL) told Breitbart that a report via the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service contends that Rogers is incorrect. The CRS indicated that Congress can deny funds to the immigration enforcement agency despite the fact that it operates primarily on revenues collected through the imposition of fees.

A fee-funded agency or activity typically refers to one in which the amounts appropriated by Congress for that agency or activity are derived from fees collected from some external source. Importantly, amounts received as fees by federal agencies must still be appropriated by Congress to that agency in order to be available for obligation or expenditure by the agency. In some cases, this appropriation is provided through the annual appropriations process. In other instances, it is an appropriation that has been enacted independently of the annual appropriations process (such as a permanent appropriation in an authorizing act). In either case, the funds available to the agency through fee collections would be subject to the same potential restrictions imposed by Congress on the use of its appropriations as any other type of appropriated funds.

According to The Huffington Post’s Igor Bobic, this strategy would be the safest political course for the GOP. “Funding for that agency would then be contingent on the president’s willingness to rescind his executive action shielding millions of undocumented immigrants from deportation,” he wrote. “Under such a plan, Republicans would avoid a costly government shutdown fight and still offer eager conservatives a viable way to counter the president.”


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Mr. Rothman plays with noms today :)

Schadenfreude on November 26, 2014 at 3:06 PM

It’s amazing how much work they’re willing to put into not solving the problem.

Secure the border, then pass amnesty for the last time ever.

Magicjava on November 26, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Use it as a bargaining chip to SEAL … not just secure … the border.

darwin on November 26, 2014 at 3:08 PM

How to completely surrender to Obama’s power grab in a way that the Grubes will experience as defiance is the problem the finest minds in the GOP establishment must solve. Can they do it, yo? Are they even up to the task? Stay tuned.

casuist on November 26, 2014 at 3:09 PM

This is what they did with “the shutdown.” They passed something for all of the government except Obamacare and Reid refused to bring up a vote on it…and the Republicans were called obstructionists. Will the media change their tune when it is Obama refusing to sign something instead of Reid refusing to vote on something?

cptacek on November 26, 2014 at 3:09 PM

It’s amazing how much work they’re willing to put into not solving the problem.

Secure the border, then pass amnesty for the last time ever.

Magicjava on November 26, 2014 at 3:07 PM

No. Don’t pass amnesty, ever.

Lance Corvette on November 26, 2014 at 3:10 PM

Under such a plan, Republicans would avoid a costly government shutdown fight and still offer eager conservatives a viable way to counter the president.”

Obama is not constitutionally bound to sign the “CROmnibus” that limits spending for immigration. He can just as easily veto the whole thing, blame the GOP for playing games, and shut down the government.

What then RINO’s? If all government shutdowns are the GOP’s fault, what they heck does King Obama have to lose? In fact, that is what I think he will do and the GOP will fold like a cheap suit again.

chuckfinlay on November 26, 2014 at 3:11 PM

Silly premise. The House has the authority to defund anything, with the sole exception of interest payments on the national debt. What the House lacks is the political will to do so, and I see absolutely no sign that that situation has changed from last year.

Fabozz on November 26, 2014 at 3:11 PM

Also: duh, even if an agency brings their operating money in, they can’t just spend it without budget authority. I’m surprised so many people fell for that one.

cptacek on November 26, 2014 at 3:11 PM

I trust Jeff Sessions, he’s been a consistent anti illegal immigration advocate throughout the whole ordeal. Whatever the case, we should be calling and writing, especially when they come back to DC to see to it that they act to stop this.

V7_Sport on November 26, 2014 at 3:11 PM

Use it as a bargaining chip to SEAL … not just secure … the border.

Seal as in hermetically seal. Not even the weather should pass across the Southern border of the U.S. But then who will pick our fruit or make our beds, would say Obama though no one the media will call him out for his strange notion that all immigrants are fruit-picking bed makers.

casuist on November 26, 2014 at 3:12 PM

Also: duh, even if an agency brings their operating money in, they can’t just spend it without budget authority. I’m surprised so many people fell for that one.

Media trumpeted it. House budget chair urged this false claim as well.

casuist on November 26, 2014 at 3:14 PM

Obama is not constitutionally bound to sign the “CROmnibus” that limits spending for immigration. He can just as easily veto the whole thing, blame the GOP for playing games, and shut down the government.

chuckfinlay on November 26, 2014 at 3:11 PM

Let him, it’s entirely on his shoulders then.

V7_Sport on November 26, 2014 at 3:14 PM

According to The Huffington Post’s Igor Bobic, this strategy would be the safest political course for the GOP.

Isn’t it comforting to know that nimrods at the HuffPo are so concerned as to what strategy would offer the ‘safest political course for the GOPe’?

And of course, the ‘safest political course’ is doing as little as possible – but trying to do just enough to somewhat placate the conservative base.

Given McConnell is more threatened by this base than by Obama’s executive overreach, I’m certain he’s one of the few in the GOP actually listening to HuffPo, the WaPoo, the NYT, etc.

Athos on November 26, 2014 at 3:14 PM

“The GOP didn’t win the midterms by a massive landslide and the country is in the mood for some amnesty so we need to be careful about how (and even if) we oppose obama’s little EO…” – Paraphrase of what I just read from Rothman.

BoxHead1 on November 26, 2014 at 3:18 PM

House budget chair urged this false claim as well.

casuist on November 26, 2014 at 3:14 PM

Rogers, Chair of the House Appropriations Committee is just another card carrying member of the GOPe, the Vichy Republican caucus, and spread this misinformation in an effort to preemptively end any talk of a budget showdown over funding.

The GOPe really isn’t that bothered by Obama’s executive overreach, it got them out of the line of fire with the conservative base, and made their financial benefactors, like the Chamber of Commerce, happy.

The disease and corruption around the ‘Inside of the Beltway Elitists’ involves members of both political parties.

Athos on November 26, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Use it as a bargaining chip to SEAL … not just secure … the border.

darwin on November 26, 2014 at 3:08 PM

Sure let’s cut off our third largest trading partner and violate international treaties.

lexhamfox on November 26, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Obama is not constitutionally bound to sign the “CROmnibus” that limits spending for immigration. He can just as easily veto the whole thing, blame the GOP for playing games, and shut down the government.

What then RINO’s? If all government shutdowns are the GOP’s fault, what they heck does King Obama have to lose? In fact, that is what I think he will do and the GOP will fold like a cheap suit again.

chuckfinlay on November 26, 2014 at 3:11 PM

Nope, doesn’t need to work that way. Give him a clean funding bill on everything except DHS immigration stuff, then send that bill alone.

Johnnyreb on November 26, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Let him, it’s entirely on his shoulders then.

V7_Sport on November 26, 2014 at 3:14 PM

Please explain how the Democrat media will side with Republicans if Obama doesn’t sign a bill that limits funding on immigration. We’ve been told by any and all GOP members that a government shutdown will be blamed on them…. which really means they are afraid of the Democrat media. So how is this going be any different?

chuckfinlay on November 26, 2014 at 3:18 PM

BoxHead1 on November 26, 2014 at 3:18 PM

I take it back. My little post was unwarranted Rothman bashing. It’s a fine post.

BoxHead1 on November 26, 2014 at 3:20 PM

He’ll just veto and threaten to cut off grannies check and Military pay.

Same as before.

wolly4321 on November 26, 2014 at 3:20 PM

Nope, doesn’t need to work that way. Give him a clean funding bill on everything except DHS immigration stuff, then send that bill alone.

Johnnyreb on November 26, 2014 at 3:18 PM

And, then Obam will veto both, claim the GOP is playing games with the budget and they are forcing a government shutdown since they aren’t doing their job.

The Democrat media picks up the ball, blames Republicans, and the Republicans fold.

chuckfinlay on November 26, 2014 at 3:21 PM

Anyway, whatever Sessions suggests I support. Right now he is the only reason for any optimism concerning congressional action.

BoxHead1 on November 26, 2014 at 3:22 PM

wolly4321 on November 26, 2014 at 3:20 PM

Yep. It’s amazing to me people don’t see this.

chuckfinlay on November 26, 2014 at 3:22 PM

It’s amazing how much work they’re willing to put into not solving the problem.

Secure the border, then pass amnesty for the last time ever.

Magicjava on November 26, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Make Step one, Secure the Border, the FIRST and only issue. Refuse to even discuss the second (amnesty) until the border issue is iterated and redacted over and over.

If they obsess over amnesty, make the border the number one issue, with everything second until number 1 is taken care of.

itsspideyman on November 26, 2014 at 3:23 PM

According to The Huffington Post’s Igor Bobic, this strategy would be the safest political course for the GOP.

Who? Wait–what?

Why is a blogger with an ostensibly conservative web site called Hot Air repeating advice from some dude with The Huffington Post? (Because he’s not a conservative?) The Huffington Post guy sounds like a “concern troll.”

The Republicans shouldn’t be worrying about what’s safe! The GOP
just won the Senate, about 12 more House seats, and 70 state legislature chambers (out of 99). The Democrats should be worrying.

We the People run the country, not the Media.

Please stop linking to liberal publications. We don’t read them, Noah. Why do you?

Emperor Norton on November 26, 2014 at 3:23 PM

Sen. Sessions should continue to expose the thug.

I don’t care what he vetoes. Tell people that he is starving grannies and pushing them over a cliff.

Schadenfreude on November 26, 2014 at 3:26 PM

Schadenfreude nonpartisan 2016!

Bmore on November 26, 2014 at 3:28 PM

Sure let’s cut off our third largest trading partner and violate international treaties.

lexhamfox on November 26, 2014 at 3:18 PM

???

Get a grip.

darwin on November 26, 2014 at 3:28 PM

Give obola a bill. Copy Mexican law regarding foreign nationals and put it on his desk. If it’s good enough for Mexico it’s good enough for us.

wifarmboy on November 26, 2014 at 3:28 PM

We don’t read them, Noah. Why do you?

Emperor Norton on November 26, 2014 at 3:23 PM

That might be exactly why.

Bmore on November 26, 2014 at 3:30 PM

This is why the GOP will never win. They should have had in the back of their mind that this was an acceptable outcome of negotiations but went public with 5 big initiatives after the wave election – one of these including defunding immigration.

Then you “compromise” and get what you can get. Right now, they are essentially going to pass a Democrat Omnibus bill with a Republican initiative to limit immigration funding. The latter will be resisted and their only “compromise” is to cave.

The only question is whether this is purposeful or ineptitude.

chuckfinlay on November 26, 2014 at 3:31 PM

let him, it’s entirely on his shoulders then. V7_Sport on November 26, 2014 at 3:14 PM

I’m sure McCain, Flake, the CofC, and LSM will see it that way.
Along with those whose checks get cut off.

wolly4321 on November 26, 2014 at 3:35 PM

Obama has precluded any amnesty every being passed again.

The border will never again be ‘secure’ as long as any president who chooses can simply refuse to enforce the law.

What’s to guarantee the American people that the next president, or the one thereafter, will not decide to refuse to enforce the law, order border patrol and ICE agents to stand down, and leave the border wide open?

If the United States government passes another amnesty, of any kind, it will be construed by would-be illegal aliens world wide as an open invitation to come to this country in hopes of being included in the next amnesty and enjoying a de facto amnesty until that time arrives.

Much broader changes to the law must be made in order to assure the American people their nation is, once again, their own.

E-verify mandated nationwide for every employer and every hire, with mandatory severe penalties to employers who hire illegal aliens.

An end to automatic citizenship being granted to the children of foreign nationals with a requirement that at least one parent be a citizen or legal permanent resident.

An end to massive chain migration permitted to those who become citizens, with a limitation to spouse and children only.

Biometric ID’s for visa holders and a real-time tracking system that allows authorities to track visa holders and verify that when the visa is expired the individual leaves the nation on time.

A tighter restriction, limitation, and definition of “prosecutorial discretion” which would limit the circumstances under which the provision could be used by any president, and limit the number of people who could qualify under that provision with any group larger than that limit requiring congressional approval.

Immediate deportation of illegal aliens back to their nation of origin whether apprehended at the border or in the interior.

We’ve learned a harsh lesson as a nation. Sometimes even our president and our congressmen can’t be trusted to enforce the law. We need to insist on safeguards to see that the law is enforced and that we are not imposed upon or taken advantage of again.

thatsafactjack on November 26, 2014 at 3:38 PM

The Democrats have never been weaker, their agenda never more rejected, their party never in such disarray yet the GOP won’t act.

When even Chuck U. Schumer says the stimulus and Obamacare were mistakes, you know your enemy is on his back.

Now is the time for the GOP to be aggressive and attack the Democrats on all fronts, non-stop. Every day should bring a new attack on their party, their agenda, and their philosophy. It should be relentless and come from all directions; legal, legislative, media (Internet, print, TV, alternative, etc.), grassroots, money, etc. I want to bring about their decimation.

But unfortunately for us and the nation the party is led by cowardly, feckless, indecisive, whores to the Chamber of Commerce. They’re still more worried about what the increasingly Pravda-like NYT will say about them than what their own voters want.

God, deliver us from the evil of the Democrat party and save us from the stupidity of the GOP.

Charlemagne on November 26, 2014 at 3:39 PM

What moved nonpartisan to tell the truth?

Akzed on November 26, 2014 at 3:44 PM

chuckfinlay on November 26, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Please explain how the Democrat media will side with Republicans if Obama doesn’t sign a bill that limits funding on immigration.

They wont.

We’ve been told by any and all GOP members that a government shutdown will be blamed on them…

It will be a lot harder to do if it’s actually done at the hand of Obama vetoing a bill rather than at the house refusing to pass another continuing resolution.

. which really means they are afraid of the Democrat media.

They would be fools to assume the media is fair or anything close to it.

,This is why the GOP will never win.

They just won a wave election, time to back them up and insist they do what they were put there to do.

Then you “compromise” and get what you can get.

What is not a compromise? Hauling zeros ass out into the alley and curbing him isn’t going to happen (unfortunately). The objective is to halt this amnesty, if it can be done through defunding and the courts then good, lets do it. Again, I trust Sessions, he’s been a straight shooter on this for years.

V7_Sport on November 26, 2014 at 3:44 PM

This executive action must not only be stopped but eliminated. The people that have lied, cheated, stolen, and committed violent and non violent crimes against the American people and US laws must leave. That is the only thing that is fair to the American people.

leader4hru on November 26, 2014 at 3:47 PM

They just won a wave election, time to back them up and insist they do what they were put there to do.

Winning elections isn’t the end goal; though it appears to be for GOP leadership.

What is not a compromise?

I think you misunderstood me: by aiming high publicly after the election (5 clear, conservative initiatives they want passed), the GOP would have room to negotiate down off of their demands – which is what they should have done. Instead, they have essentially shown their whole hand and have no room to compromise. They now have to either stand firm on defunding immigration (hahahaha!) or fold.

chuckfinlay on November 26, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Utterly moot.

Harry Reid will not allow such a CR to come to a vote in the Senate. PERIOD.

Where have you been the last four years?

The proposal is, therefore, either an exercise in futility, or a prelude to a government shutdown. If that is your policy, argue that without disguising it in arcane budget procedures.

~~

Pass a short-term CR, then hit the ground running in the new Congress to pass the nine appropriations bills. De-fund it then, when a veto only ‘shuts down’ the nonessential functions of the departments funded by that one bill.

AND use other means of budgetary pressure as well, AND the threat against nominees as the Sword of Damocles hanging overhead.

Adjoran on November 26, 2014 at 3:50 PM

Obama: Americans Have No Right To Favor Americans

This is outrageous.

American citizens and legal permanent residents are entitled to protection from predation perpetrated upon them by illegal aliens and H1B visa holders alike.

The livelihoods of citizens and legal permanent residents must be protected from those who come to this nation and undermine wages and take the jobs of citizens and legal permanent residents.

This is one of the primary reasons that immigration legislation is design, drafted, and passed into law. It affords the citizens and legal permanent residents the opportunity of gainful employment and advancement up the employment ladder in their own nation.

Every nation in the world drafts immigration legislation for these same reasons as well as the prevention of contagion and to prevent criminals from preying on their citizenry as well as to prevent illegal aliens and ‘benefits immigrants’ from draining valuable resources from their nation and communities.

Americans are entitled to these basic human rights and protections, just as the citizenry of every other developed nation in the world.

thatsafactjack on November 26, 2014 at 3:54 PM

let him, it’s entirely on his shoulders then. V7_Sport on November 26, 2014 at 3:14 PM

I’m sure McCain, Flake, the CofC, and LSM will see it that way.
Along with those whose checks get cut off.

wolly4321 on November 26, 2014 at 3:35 PM

The usual suspects have been blessedly quiet and as for the checks getting cut off, I think that’s a myth. It’s to the point where I’m willing to send the people of Ferguson, Detroit, Englewood and parts of Chicago some drums of gas, books of matches and darwin awards and let them get to it. I may be wrong on this, but after decades of this [email protected] and 22 trillion dollars spent as penance for our supposed racial crimes of hauling my cranky old ass out of bed and going to work in the morning, I have to think that the evidence is in and this isn’t working, it will never work and if there is any hope of achieving something resembling a meritocracy we need to go back to personal responsibility. Even the “liberals” that I can tolerate are fed up.
Anyway.. I think it’s up to us to put some steel in our representatives spines. We are bigger than the media and we can shut up the usual suspects.

V7_Sport on November 26, 2014 at 3:57 PM

Secure the border, then pass amnesty for the last time ever.
Magicjava on November 26, 2014 at 3:07 PM

No. Don’t pass amnesty, ever.
Lance Corvette on November 26, 2014 at 3:10 PM

Amnesty would eventually and irreversibly shift the electorate much further to the left, eventually ensuring we could never again elect a conservative president. This issue affects all others. Amnesty also encourages more of the illegal alien invasion, as we have seen.

Illegal alien amnesty should never be an option. Americans’ right to a secure border should never be dependent on illegal aliens getting amnesty.

Obama’s illegal amnesty order must be stopped, and we should vote out those politicians who support amnesty in any form.

Illegal alien amnesty is wrong and dangerous, whether Republicans try to have a hand in passing it legislatively or whether Obama tries to grant it through illegal order.

bluegill on November 26, 2014 at 3:58 PM

No. Don’t pass amnesty, ever.
Lance Corvette on November 26, 2014 at 3:10 PM

Exactly right.

bluegill on November 26, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Obama: Americans Have No Right To Favor Americans

This is outrageous.

American citizens and legal permanent residents are entitled to protection from predation perpetrated upon them by illegal aliens and H1B visa holders alike.

The livelihoods of citizens and legal permanent residents must be protected from those who come to this nation and undermine wages and take the jobs of citizens and legal permanent residents.

This is one of the primary reasons that immigration legislation is design, drafted, and passed into law. It affords the citizens and legal permanent residents the opportunity of gainful employment and advancement up the employment ladder in their own nation.

Every nation in the world drafts immigration legislation for these same reasons as well as the prevention of contagion and to prevent criminals from preying on their citizenry as well as to prevent illegal aliens and ‘benefits immigrants’ from draining valuable resources from their nation and communities.

Americans are entitled to these basic human rights and protections, just as the citizenry of every other developed nation in the world.

thatsafactjack on November 26, 2014 at 3:54 PM

That is the first time I have seen or heard that. I can’t even believe that is real. If it is real that should go to a new thread immediately.

VegasRick on November 26, 2014 at 4:05 PM

Sharyl Attkisson’s Name Appears Only Once In 40,000 Pages of DOJ Emails —MIS-SPELLED—

Spelled as “Sharryl” in one of the emails Judicial Watch pried out of DOJ.

It makes one wonder if all emails containing the proper spelling were withheld. I mean, if you searched for Sharyl, then the one instance of Sharryl won’t come up in the search results. Hence, this one slipped through while the ones with her name spelled properly were (ahem) re-lost.

Akzed on November 26, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Nonpartisan organization confirms the GOP can defund Obama’s immigration order

Oh Boy!..Boner and the Turtle are not going to like that. There must be some way they can take that power away from themselves?

Mimzey on November 26, 2014 at 4:09 PM

“CIS shall be restricted in its ability to expend appropriated funds in any manner to collect fees, or to use appropriated funds in lieu of fees.”

I’m sure all of those valued civil-servants at CIS will volunteer their labor in the noble cause of assisting Illegal Aliens to qualify for amnesty.

Another Drew on November 26, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Hence, this one slipped through while the ones with her name spelled properly were (ahem) re-lost.

Akzed on November 26, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Believable imo. WHY did it take so long to cough up the emails? We need anyone who has anything to do with the servers, the process of “finding” these emails, and anyone who sorted thru them to testify under oath.
This administration is magnitudes more corrupt than anything this country has ever dealt with. The audacity of communist hope coupled with the “Big Lie”.

Mimzey on November 26, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Best thing to do is start sending legislation piecemeal. Send a border bill. Then send a bill to keep high tech workers and students here. Then we have to deal with making right with illegals. I have no clue how that is done, but they should plead guilty to a crime and pay a fine before they are allowed a green card.

rubberneck on November 26, 2014 at 4:28 PM

VegasRick on November 26, 2014 at 4:05 PM

There’s a video of him speaking with the article. You can listen to him and confirm what he said for yourself.

thatsafactjack on November 26, 2014 at 4:31 PM

It’s amazing how much work they’re willing to put into not solving the problem.

Secure the border, then pass amnesty for the last time ever.

Magicjava on November 26, 2014 at 3:07 PM

FIFY. The beauty of that is it doesn’t even require more legislation.

GWB on November 26, 2014 at 4:43 PM

He’ll just steal the money from some other place. This man ignores the CONSTITUTION for Gods sake … what makes anyone think he’ll obey any other law.

clippermiami on November 26, 2014 at 4:49 PM

It’s amazing how much work they’re willing to put into not solving the problem.

Secure the border, then pass amnesty for the last time ever.

Magicjava on November 26, 2014 at 3:07 PM

No, secure the border and then begin deporting all those you are here illegally. And never, ever grant an amnesty for breaking our immigration laws again.

Laura Castellano on November 26, 2014 at 4:58 PM

*who

Laura Castellano on November 26, 2014 at 4:58 PM

He’ll just steal the money from some other place. This man ignores the CONSTITUTION for Gods sake … what makes anyone think he’ll obey any other law. clippermiami on November 26, 2014 at 4:49 PM

Yep. All our monies are now fungible.

There’s probably a few tens of billions hidden in barkycare just for this.

wolly4321 on November 26, 2014 at 5:03 PM

Then we have to deal with making right with illegals. I have no clue how that is done, but they should plead guilty to a crime and pay a fine before they are allowed a green card.
rubberneck on November 26, 2014 at 4:28 PM

Illegal aliens are not entitled to special treatment. They are not entitled to any special pathway to legalization or citizenship. Anyone who has broken our immigration laws and is here illegally should be deported and should not be given special consideration under the law. Enforce immigration laws.

bluegill on November 26, 2014 at 5:04 PM

What should the GOP do to stop Obama’s executive amnesty?

Nothing. Let him do it. Let him manage it. Let him pay for it. Let him deal with the ramifications.
The message: Republicans do not support legislating immigration by executive fiat.
rubberneck on November 6, 2014 at 11:47 AM

The RINO’s are out of touch with the voters and would do nothing about Obama’s illegal alien amnesty. These traitors are only against amnesty insofar as it might hurt Obama in the short-term, and they refuse to consider the disastrous impact that illegal alien amnesty would have on the country long-term.

The RINO’s say, Obama’s executive illegal alien amnesty is the right idea, just the wrong execution.

We see this kind of disappointing attitude exemplified in rubberneck’s comments.

bluegill on November 26, 2014 at 5:12 PM

In other words, RINO’s are happy to temporarily oppose Obama’s executive amnesty, because they think it might help them win a seat or two in the next election, but they are supportive of amnesty in principle. These people are as bad as Democrats.

bluegill on November 26, 2014 at 5:14 PM

n other words, RINO’s are happy to temporarily oppose Obama’s executive amnesty, because they think it might help them win a seat or two in the next election, but they are supportive of amnesty in principle. These people are as bad as Democrats. bluegill on November 26, 2014 at 5:14 PM

jeff flake doesn’t even do that. He is wholly owned by the C of C. Most disgusting display of turncoat I’ve ever witnessed.

wolly4321 on November 26, 2014 at 5:21 PM

Oh, and all agency fees must be turned into the general fund. Don’t ever allow self-funding agencies, such as the CFPB.

rbj on November 26, 2014 at 5:25 PM

An oldee but a goodee, from the leader of the CPUSA

Obama is “considering” a radical agenda to nationalize the U.S. financial system, the Federal Reserve Bank, and private industries such as energy and other sectors whose future is “problematic” in private hands, claims the leader of the Communist Party USA.

In a major speech focused on Obama titled “Off and running: Opportunity of a lifetime,” CPUSA leader Sam Webb also alleges Obama’s administration is considering turning education, childcare, and health care into “no profit zones;” rerouting investment capital from military infrastructure to “green economy” projects and public infrastructure; and waging a “full scale” assault on global warming.

“We now have not simply a friend, but a people’s advocate in the White House declared Webb at a recent speech in Ohio for People’s Weekly World Communist newspaper.

Mimzey on November 26, 2014 at 5:45 PM

Oh, and all agency fees must be turned into the general fund. Don’t ever allow self-funding agencies, such as the CFPB.

rbj on November 26, 2014 at 5:25 PM

Sorry, but the CFPB is NOT self-funded. It is funded DIRECTLY by the Federal Reserve bank. With the Federal Reserve ‘making’ more than 100 billion a year in profits from the money it printed for QE, there is plenty of room for them to fund their INDEPENDANT from congressional oversight, CFPB!

(This one of the reasons I am DEMANDING an end to the CORRUPT CFPB!)

Freddy on November 26, 2014 at 5:45 PM

jeff flake doesn’t even do that. He is wholly owned by the C of C. Most disgusting display of turncoat I’ve ever witnessed.

wolly4321 on November 26, 2014 at 5:21 PM

Flake needs to be removed in the next election.

Freddy on November 26, 2014 at 5:47 PM

Call your reps.

CW on November 26, 2014 at 5:55 PM

The United States Constitution (art. I. § 9) says: “No money shall be drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law.”

Seems pretty clear.

Viator on November 26, 2014 at 6:09 PM

It’s amazing how much work they’re willing to put into not solving the problem.

Secure the border, then pass amnesty for the last time ever. then start deporting illegal aliens by the tens of thousands, which will be a great jobs-creation program, especially if the feds hire disproportionately-out-of-work blacks as new ICE agents.

Magicjava on November 26, 2014 at 3:07 PM

FIFY

profitsbeard on November 26, 2014 at 6:22 PM

People are still daydreaming of prince GOP come to save them from the evil Democrats. How cute. How pathetic. How predictable. and finally… How stupid are they?

astonerii on November 26, 2014 at 6:23 PM

t’s amazing how much work they’re willing to put into not solving the problem.

Secure the border, then pass amnesty for the last time ever.

Magicjava on November 26, 2014 at 3:07 PM

NO amnesty ever !!

any amnesty of any kind only incentivizes MORE illegals. see the 1986 disaster to prove that. it became at least 5 times worse after that supposed “one-time” amnesty.

Senator Philip Bluster on November 26, 2014 at 6:37 PM

Then we have to deal with making right with illegals.

Like hell we do.

the only way for illegals to “make right” is to go back home and stay there.

Senator Philip Bluster on November 26, 2014 at 6:44 PM

People are still daydreaming of prince GOP come to save them from the evil Democrats. How cute. How pathetic. How predictable. and finally… How stupid are they?

astonerii on November 26, 2014 at 6:23 PM

Ok Gruber, why haven’t you found some country that you care enough to not want to burn down yet? What’s the difference between you and the Ferguson rioters other than they have the drive to get off the couch?

V7_Sport on November 26, 2014 at 7:35 PM

The Democrats have never been weaker, their agenda never more rejected, their party never in such disarray yet the GOP won’t act.

When even Chuck U. Schumer says the stimulus and Obamacare were mistakes, you know your enemy is on his back.

Now is the time for the GOP to be aggressive and attack the Democrats on all fronts, non-stop. Every day should bring a new attack on their party, their agenda, and their philosophy. It should be relentless and come from all directions; legal, legislative, media (Internet, print, TV, alternative, etc.), grassroots, money, etc. I want to bring about their decimation.

But unfortunately for us and the nation the party is led by cowardly, feckless, indecisive, whores to the Chamber of Commerce. They’re still more worried about what the increasingly Pravda-like NYT will say about them than what their own voters want.

God, deliver us from the evil of the Democrat party and save us from the stupidity of the GOP.

Charlemagne on November 26, 2014 at 3:39 PM

By jove I think he’s got it.

This executive action must not only be stopped but eliminated.

leader4hru on November 26, 2014 at 3:47 PM

The only ones who can really do that is the Supreme Court. And they’ve been watching, believe me. Any successful GOP strategy has to include pushing it through this venue ASAP.

The United States Constitution (art. I. § 9) says: “No money shall be drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law.”

Seems pretty clear.

Viator on November 26, 2014 at 6:09 PM

There must be some mistake here . . . we have someone who actually reads and comprehends the Constitution.

All remedy for what ails the nation can be found here. Those powder-wigged white English dudes were pretty damned smart. If they weren’t we wouldn’t still be here.

Then we have to deal with making right with illegals.

Absolutely right. Hence the 2nd Amendment.

Younggod on November 26, 2014 at 7:48 PM

Why in the f*** is Noah Rothman linking ANYTHING to HuffNPuff?!? Why are you going to send any as revenue to a worthless site like that?!?

ManWithNoName on November 26, 2014 at 8:57 PM

. “The agency has the ability to continue to collect and use fees to continue current operations, and to expand operations as under a new Executive Order, without needing legislative approval by the Appropriations Committee or the Congress, even under a continuing resolution or a government shutdown.”

Really?
If I recall correctly, ALL funds expended by the Federal Government must be appropriated through Congress. Formally, the moneys collected as fees are turned over to the Treasury, which (may) then re-disburse them to the collecting agency. Or not. So if Congress acts to block this disbursement, then it doesn’t happen (legally). So, do that.

Also, and this is Important pass a resolution to the effect that those in the country illegally are still illegal, even if not being prosecuted or deported; and thus continue to be ineligible for all benefits denied illegals. Also, resolve that not being a US Citizen per se is not a criminal act, and that Presidential Pardons only apply to criminal acts. Thus, no Pardon can make a Citizen of a non-Citizen.

ReggieA on November 27, 2014 at 5:22 PM

the GOP does not have the authority to de-fund the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services agency

But don’t they have authority to completely dissolve the agency and create a new one expressly funded by appropriations?

Nutstuyu on November 27, 2014 at 6:17 PM

Bring up the appropriations bills one at a time, with the Immigration agency being the last one sent up. What’s obstructionist with that? The Republicans haven’t denied or funded anything to do with immigration until the very last step taken. Then don’t fund parts of it. Obama’s choice is funding “0” percent of the agency or 50 percent of it. If Obama wants to stop the entire immigration process, who is the obstructionist now?…

Fred 2 on November 27, 2014 at 10:00 PM

Ok Gruber, why haven’t you found some country that you care enough to not want to burn down yet? What’s the difference between you and the Ferguson rioters other than they have the drive to get off the couch?

V7_Sport on November 26, 2014 at 7:35 PM

You do the work of the enemy. You make sure that there are progressives filling both parties, thus no possibility of conservative actions in our government.
You got what you wanted. You got a solid Majority in the Senate and an even larger majority in the House. State pick ups for the party effectively put them at the highest level of Republican control in the last 80 or more years.
Yet what actions are we hearing from your vaunted party? Surrender and run away!
I would imagine with 70 senators of the type you pick we would still be hearing the arguments that we only control some small sliver of a massive huge government, so the only path forward is the one Obama chooses.

astonerii on November 27, 2014 at 10:15 PM

astonerii on November 27, 2014 at 10:15 PM

You do the work of the enemy.

LOL, OK, irony alert. You asked for it:

There were at least three other times we had smaller discussions. Maybe you should get a notepad and write this down. If the Republican nominee is Romney, then astonerii and his extended family will be voting for Obama.
astonerii on February 6, 2012 at 11:54 AM

I vote Obama if the only other choice on the ballot is Romney.
astonerii on October 9, 2011 at 8:46 PM

Romney is absolutely unacceptable to me as a Republican president and why I will work against his election if he is the nominee.
astonerii on March 24, 2012 at 3:37 PM

I will convince my 28 member extended family to vote Obama […]
You can b!tch and moan all you want about how unfair it is….
astonerii on January 27, 2012 at 6:09 PM

If you cannot live with another 4 years of Obama, pity to you for being such a pathetically weak person.
astonerii on March 21, 2012 at 11:22 PM

I will actively vote against Romney,[…] I will not go third party, I will go for the throat and vote direct for Obama.
[…] Vote for Obama, vote for the conservative for congress. Got it.
astonerii on February 1, 2012 at 11:26 AM

I would vote Obama just to shut people like you up.
astonerii on November 29, 2011 at 8:20 PM

I will vote Obama....
astonerii on April 18, 2011 at 12:29 PM

I vote Obama if Romney is on the ticket. I will not go so far as to send a donation or put a sticker on my bumper, I never put stickers on my bumper, but I will vote.
astonerii on July 17, 2011 at 5:42 PM

I work to give the country a fighting chance, you work to kill it off. Yes, I’m your enemy.

You got what you wanted.

No, I didn’t want Obama as president. This executive amnesty was something that you bleated would never happen under the democrats, not that you ever believed that. Well, here it is and the only hope for stopping it is the GOP that you want destroyed. But I keep forgetting, you want this too, it hastens the end of the country which is what you are after.

My position is that the Constitutional Republic…. is already a failure.
astonerii on September 21, 2014 at 9:45 PM

Continuing the charade that it [the Constitutional Republic of the United States of America] is recoverable through voting only makes it that much harder to recover.
astonerii on September 21, 2014 at 9:45 PM

The nation is already going to fail. The only difference between Romney and Obama is that Obama does the job far more efficiently…
astonerii on September 18, 2014 at 11:18 PM

My argument that the United States of America would finally fail around 2022 do to fiscal limitation seems to have been very conservative. We may not get to 2016 without some kind of breakdown.
The sooner the better I say.
astonerii on July 25, 2014 at 12:55 PM

I can vote for Obama. This gives the most value. I am young enough to fight in a civil war today and a decade or so more, thus if I vote Obama, and he can bring the collapse of the American dollar and our economy faster than the R, my vote for him gives me value.
astonerii on June 17, 2011 at 8:47 PM

You have a hell of a nerve whining about amnesty when it’s what you have worked for here for years.

V7_Sport on November 27, 2014 at 11:03 PM