Nancy Pelosi: Who’s Jon Gruber?

posted at 1:21 pm on November 13, 2014 by Allahpundit

Liberals have two choices at this point on how to handle the endless flaming bags of sh*t being left on their doorstep by Gruber. One is the White House route, i.e. polite distancing despite the plain, painful fact that ol’ Grubes is only guilty of stating what all progressive mandarins believe.

The White House sought Wednesday to distance itself from Gruber and his comments.

“The Affordable Care Act was publicly debated over the course of 14 months, with dozens of Congressional hearings, and countless town halls, speeches, and debates,” White House spokeswoman Jessica Santillo said in a statement. “The tax credits in the law that help millions of middle class Americans afford coverage were no secret, and in fact were central to the legislation. Not only do we disagree with [Gruber’s] comments, they’re simply not true.”

The other is the Pelosi route, most recently taken by Angus King, in denying that you even know who Gruber is. I prefer this one because it’s a more egregious lie than the White House option, and egregious lies are what ObamaCare is all about. If liberals can write Lee Harvey Oswald out of the Kennedy assassination to serve their interests, writing Jon Gruber out of the ObamaCare saga is no big trick.

There simply must be a photo of her and Gruber circa 2010 cackling over the impending passage of O-Care, possibly with Pelosi waving around that giant gavel she used in the House to spike the football the day the bill passed. I’ll leave it to one of you guys to find that. In the meantime, conservatives are amusing themselves this afternoon on Twitter by exchanging other evidence that she knows damn well who Gruber is. Here’s something from 2009 posted on her own website:

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That’s not the only reference to him on her site, per Twitter pal FirstTeamTommy. And of course there are references to him on the White House site website too. How could there not be? He’s been the go-to guy on giant health-care boondoggles at the state level, including Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts, for years. Naturally the Democrats would turn to him in 2009 to help craft a new mega-boondoggle for the whole country. Skim this NYT piece from 2012, via John McCormack, to see why he’s often referred to as the “architect” of ObamaCare.

Mr. Gruber has spent decades modeling the intricacies of the health care ecosystem, which involves making predictions about how new laws will play out based on past experience and economic theory. It is his research that convinced the Obama administration that health care reform could not work without requiring everyone to buy insurance…

After Mr. Gruber helped the administration put together the basic principles of the proposal, the White House lent him to Capitol Hill to help Congressional staff members draft the specifics of the legislation..

Even though he was brought in by the White House, Congressional staff members from both parties trusted him because he was seen as an econometric wonk, not a political agent…

“Yes, I want the public to be informed by an objective expert,” he says. “But the thing is, I know more about this law than any other economist.”

He was on the Hill working with House Democrats to write the bill and Pelosi’s only first hearing about him now, huh? The analogy’s imperfect since Gruber wasn’t formally a government employee, but that strikes me as roughly as far-fetched as Bush saying circa 2007 that he’d never heard of Paul Wolfowitz.

Update: Annnnnnd here we go. Via Conn Carroll, November 5, 2009. Watch to the end.


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Who is saying he was an insignificant bit player?

verbaluce on November 13, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Sorry, I interrupted your lying. Please go on…
Tlaloc on October 16, 2014 at 9:27 PM

Pelosi Schmelosi on November 13, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Who is saying he was an insignificant bit player?

verbaluce on November 13, 2014 at 3:32 PM

So Gruber wasn’t an insignificant bit player, a simple recipient of a government grant to study DeathCare?

You’ll want to take some time with your answer.

Bishop on November 13, 2014 at 3:36 PM

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Shirotayama on November 13, 2014 at 3:38 PM

(Is this just gonna be your schtick? Whoa k.)

verbaluce on November 13, 2014 at 3:22 PM

Well we know what your schtick is. The oft-reiterated and childish “What’s the republicans’ plan?!?”
We’ve had “plans” for years. How does a country get tort reform? John Morgan and his ilk are proof positive that one need not be poor to be a parasite on society. Do you have a clue what malpractice insurance costs doctors?
For some strange reason, no one can seem to understand that extending insurance across state lines leads to, to coin a phrase used by your beloved San Fran Nan, “Choice and competition”.
Somehow, being beholden to parasitic trial lawyers keeps democrats from doing what is right. Rather, it’s far easier to lie to the grubes and pass a bill that no one save the democrat-voting dolts wanted on sleazy parliamentary tricks in the dead of night on Christmas.

Judge_Dredd on November 13, 2014 at 3:30 PM

I agree on tort reform and I don’t dispute the lawyer-ly dough in Dem circles is a factor in the lack of progress on this.
But it’s fiction that’d it’d have much of any impact at all on health insurance.

As for buying across state lines, I’m all for anything that increases opps for folks get into larger pools and see better rates as a result. And that is very much a key component of the ACA. But it’s not that clear that crossing state lines will move the needle on this. But I think evolving to nationwide insurance buying could work. And the ACA is more of a move in that direction than any obstacle to it.
Again…here’s a chance for the Repubs to step up and participate in the reform.

verbaluce on November 13, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Oh good God.

Judge_Dredd on November 13, 2014 at 3:44 PM

Excuse me, but what is up with those eyebrows, Nancy penciled in on her forehead? I get it that some women pluck their eyebrows and go for a more “flattering” (?) line. Nancy’s look like her’s wrap around her forehead and down the side of her face. Did she go to clown makeup school?

Mallard T. Drake on November 13, 2014 at 3:46 PM

I agree on tort reform and I don’t dispute the lawyer-ly dough in Dem circles is a factor in the lack of progress on this.
But it’s fiction that’d it’d have much of any impact at all on health insurance.

verbaluce on November 13, 2014 at 3:42 PM


Sorry, I interrupted your lying. Please go on…
Tlaloc on October 16, 2014 at 9:27 PM

Again…here’s a chance for the Repubs to step up and participate in the reform.

verbaluce on November 13, 2014 at 3:42 PM

They weren’t allowed to “participate” numbnuts
http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/111/senate/1/396

So …once again…


Sorry, I interrupted your lying. Please go on…
Tlaloc on October 16, 2014 at 9:27 PM

Pelosi Schmelosi on November 13, 2014 at 3:47 PM

So Gruber wasn’t an insignificant bit player, a simple recipient of a government grant to study DeathCare?

You’ll want to take some time with your answer.

Bishop on November 13, 2014 at 3:36 PM

To a rhetorical question?

Also, what is ‘DeathCare’?
Because if that’s what the GOP is gonna go with for the name of their replacement plan, it’s a little dark. So they might want to consider….actually, no, they should should totally go with that.

verbaluce on November 13, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Baghdad Bobby II weighs in.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2014 at 3:50 PM

verbaluce on November 13, 2014 at 2:39 PM

A Grube speaks! And not surprisingly it is in deep, deep denial.

NotCoach on November 13, 2014 at 3:51 PM

verbaluce on November 13, 2014 at 3:49 PM

TOO MUCH OF A CHICKENS*IT TO ANSWER A SIMPLE QUESTION…FIGURES…TYPICAL PROG-TROLL DEFLECTION

Sorry, I interrupted your lying. Please go on…
Tlaloc on October 16, 2014 at 9:27 PM

Pelosi Schmelosi on November 13, 2014 at 3:53 PM

To a rhetorical question?

Also, what is ‘DeathCare’?
Because if that’s what the GOP is gonna go with for the name of their replacement plan, it’s a little dark. So they might want to consider….actually, no, they should should totally go with that.

verbaluce on November 13, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Old demorat spin: “Take a look at Gruber the noted MIT economist, the chief architect of ObamaCare, the guy who practically wrote it, have you read his professional and deeply insightful views of the affordable care act?”

New demorat spin: “Grub? Grubber? GROOOBER? Gruber. Gruber? Never heard of him! Oh…the guy we all talked about back in 2009? *background mumbles about those damn videos* That Gruber? Well why didn’t you say so? Eh, he was really just brought on as a number cruncher, an anonymous analyst to make sure we had all our figures straight. Just some guy, whatever, let’s move on shal we?”

Bishop on November 13, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Grube
Gru’be’
/
noun
1.
A person who is able to lie while keeping a perfect smirk on their face.

synonyms: Obama, Carney, Ernst, Pelosi, Reid

“a gaggle of grubes”

Walter L. Newton on November 13, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Pelosi claims not to know Gruber and denies that he wrote a bill that she claimed we must pass in order to find out what was in it. That doesn’t make any sense…

Pest on November 13, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Is it just me or has the edifice of lies created over the past six years finally begun to collapse on top of the Democrats?…

Pest on November 13, 2014 at 4:05 PM

Pelosi claims not to know Gruber and denies that he wrote a bill that she claimed we must pass in order to find out what was in it. That doesn’t make any sense…

Pest on November 13, 2014 at 4:04 PM

I believe the term is morally bankrupt

Pelosi Schmelosi on November 13, 2014 at 4:06 PM

So they might want to consider….actually, no, they should should totally go with that.

verbaluce on November 13, 2014 at 3:49 PM

As opposed to people dropping their insurance because the new Obamacare plans tripled their premiums.

sentinelrules on November 13, 2014 at 4:08 PM

verbaluce on November 13, 2014 at 3:49 PM

How much does the DNC actually pay you to blow in here and whore yourself out by defiantly attempting to polish the political turds of this horrid Administration?

Or are you one of those truly moronic dead-enders who’s a “real believer” of Chicago-Jesus Barry?

Augustinian on November 13, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Grube
Gru’be’
Gr
/ro͞ob/
noun
1.
A person who is able to lie while keeping a perfect smirk on their face.

synonyms: Obama, Carney, Ernst, Pelosi, Reid

“a gaggle of grubes”

A person gullible enough to believe what their leftist elitist leaders tell them. See “rube”.

Walter L. Newton on November 13, 2014 at 4:01 PM

NotCoach on November 13, 2014 at 4:11 PM

Grube
Gru’be’
/Gro͞ob/
noun
1.
A person who is able to lie while keeping a perfect smirk on their face.

synonyms: Obama, Carney, Ernst, Pelosi, Reid

“a gaggle of grubes”

A person gullible enough to believe what their leftist elitist leaders tell them. See “rube”.

Walter L. Newton on November 13, 2014 at 4:01 PM

NotCoach on November 13, 2014 at 4:11 PM

Is it just me or has the edifice of lies created over the past six years finally begun to collapse on top of the Democrats?…

Pest on November 13, 2014 at 4:05 PM

It’s actually becoming an avalanche….

Augustinian on November 13, 2014 at 4:12 PM

I just saw a clip on Neil Cavuto of a 2009 clip where Pelosi says to read Jonathan Gruber of MIT’s treatise on the ability of the law to bring the cost curve down .

boy is she a jerk

gerrym51 on November 13, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Again…here’s a chance for the Repubs to step up and participate in the reform.

verbaluce on November 13, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Repubs stepped up and participated in the reform. They brought three licensed physicians and the ranking member of the Budget Committee to Obama’s health care “summit”. Obama brought his chief advisers and heads of the party, took the majority of the speaking time for himself (not his side, himSELF), and then the Dems just passed the Senate version of the bill with zero changes anyway.

No one is running toward that particular football again, Lucy, so don’t waste your breath about “participating in the process”.

The Schaef on November 13, 2014 at 4:24 PM

Gruber is just The Boogeyman Of The day.

Meanwhile…Obamacare.

verbaluce on November 13, 2014 at 2:39 PM

Yeah, Obamacare. That thing you said Dems would openly run on this year, to their benefit. How’d that work out for them?

Who is saying he was an insignificant bit player?

verbaluce on November 13, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Senator Angus King, the White House, the Speaker of the House…

… you know, nobody of consequence…

Well maybe Repubs can address specific issues within the ACA, present some ideas, and then offer some solutions?

verbaluce on November 13, 2014 at 3:25 PM

Again, I point you to the summit, where exactly this happened, and the Dems did exactly nothing to accommodate their concerns.

The Schaef on November 13, 2014 at 4:30 PM

Shirotayama on November 13, 2014 at 3:38 PM

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Thanks … I needed that ! … : )

listens2glenn on November 13, 2014 at 4:30 PM

Shirotayama on November 13, 2014 at 3:38 PM
Outstanding find! Lol I’m copying that to send to friends of like mind.

Bakokitty on November 13, 2014 at 4:44 PM

“a gaggle of grubes”

Walter L. Newton on November 13, 2014 at 4:01 PM

No, it’s a gaggle of geese.

The proper term for a collection of grubes is a sh*tload.

A sh*tload of grubes.

JohnD13 on November 13, 2014 at 4:49 PM

Is it just me or has the edifice of lies created over the past six years finally begun to collapse on top of the Democrats?…

Pest on November 13, 2014 at 4:05 PM

Yes, it is the Avalanche and old Nancy is just coming up for a last ( I hope) gasp of air, her completion is looking more ” crypt ” green color daily. I think Karma will be waiting around her next corner soon.

Bakokitty on November 13, 2014 at 4:56 PM

Well maybe Repubs can address specific issues within the ACA, present some ideas, and then offer some solutions?

verbaluce on November 13, 2014 at 3:25 PM

You are absolutely useless to the discussion. No matter how many times you are presented with the facts that prove how wrong you are, you just keep pushing the same exact lies.

Why can’t you just admit that gruber fooled you, like he fooled the rest of you leftists? I ask this because you only have one other possible admission: That you knew all along the aca was sold on a pack of lies, and that you were just fine with it.

So which is it? The great thing is that no matter which one you choose, I’ll know it’s actually the other. You are simply incapable of being honest, even when it would serve you better than lying. It’s uncanny.

runawayyyy on November 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM

But seriously…it strikes you as fully unbelievable that Pelosi and others may not know this guy? If they did at all, it would be barely.

verbaloon on November 13, 2014 at 3:00 PM

You have two problems. The first is that you’re about as bright as a table lamp.

Your second problem is that Pelosi actually cited Gruber’s expertise on her official government website in 2009.

Choke on it.

F-

Del Dolemonte on November 13, 2014 at 5:04 PM

How I’m enjoying the the schadenfreude stink on Crazy Nancy’s breath! I’m sorry but as a Calif. voter who has been at the mercy of the three Stidgen Witches of the west, this video more than amuses me. The word comeuppance hardly fits the occasion.
I love seeing old Nan sweat under her pile of lies, it’s a very big pile. :)

Bakokitty on November 13, 2014 at 5:06 PM

Bakokitty on November 13, 2014 at 4:56 PM
I meant complextion…dang auto correct thing …. :(

Bakokitty on November 13, 2014 at 5:09 PM

Can you JUST IMAGINE being one of Nanzy’s Servants in her mansion up on high?

I can just see her throwing dishes, forks, plates and doilies at her poor husband (if he’s even home)… I can imagine her chewing on carpets and kicking kittens while mowing down on catnip and vodka. I can just imagine her ripping out wallpaper and throwing crystal, hanging from a chandelier screaming, “This isn’t real! This isn’t happening” …

/Tee Hee. Botox can’t fix cray cray nanzi. Enjoy your golden years. Hopefully in some slum in the Southside of Chicago where you can sell daily newspapers with grime schmeared all over your face, begging for a bagel.

Key West Reader on November 13, 2014 at 5:12 PM

“Gruber is just dumb, for being found out” — obama-azz-dwellers at the WaPo.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2014 at 1:39 PM
Ha, so much for his Haavaard degree! He is is the Forest Gump of Haavaard ” stupid is as stupid does”.

Bakokitty on November 13, 2014 at 5:16 PM

Key West Reader on November 13, 2014 at 5:12 PM
Nah, she will just go out into heri vineyard and scream at the illegals picking her grapes…..and she won’t get any satisfaction there either; they will just laugh at her and say .” Mama es muy loco en la cabeza”

Bakokitty on November 13, 2014 at 5:21 PM

Well maybe Repubs can address specific issues within the ACA, present some ideas, and then offer some solutions?

verbaluce on November 13, 2014 at 3:25 PM

You poor dear. You suffer from recto-cranium disorder.

But don’t worry, you’re not alone. The Dems that just got their asses handed to them had the same syndrome. Fortunately for YOU? They’ll get lifetime pensions of $175k per year with all the free perks that your welfare people enjoy.

Educate yourself and you can rid yourself of recto-cranium syndrome.

Key West Reader on November 13, 2014 at 5:22 PM

I agree on tort reform and I don’t dispute the lawyer-ly dough in Dem circles is a factor in the lack of progress on this.

verbaluce on November 13, 2014 at 3:42 PM

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Okay … “common ground.”
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But it’s fiction that’d it’d have much of any impact at all on health insurance.

verbaluce on November 13, 2014 at 3:42 PM

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Oops, spoke too soon . . . . . . . . . . . . . So much for “common ground.”
.

As for buying across state lines, I’m all for anything that increases opps for folks get into larger pools and see better rates as a result. And that is very much a key component of the ACA.

verbaluce on November 13, 2014 at 3:42 PM

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ATTENTION … EVERYONE (not just verbaluce)

Getting into a “larger pool” is NOT A GOOD THING. Insurance coverage for medical services use to work just fine, without this “group policy” mentality. So, what changed ?
It’s my contention (’cause I’m a contentious kind of guy) that insurance companies did NOT change their practices, methods, or “formulas” for establishing premium rates, until after … the government began to “tinker” with them.
.

But it’s not that clear that crossing state lines will move the needle on this. But I think evolving to nationwide insurance buying could work. And the ACA is more of a move in that direction than any obstacle to it.

verbaluce on November 13, 2014 at 3:42 PM

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Getting into a “larger pool” only increases the odds that any individual person will get lost-the-shuffle.

The ACA (and anything else ‘mandated’ by government) is a move in the wrong direction. We need to go backwards, in terms of government regulation of the insurance industry.
We need to go back to when the Federal government wasn’t clamping regulation on private businesses, of any kind.
.

Again…here’s a chance for the Repubs to step up and participate in the reform.

verbaluce on November 13, 2014 at 3:42 PM

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Insurance coverage for medical services doesn’t need “reform.”

It needs released … from :

1) – dishonest politicians (government)

2) – dishonest policy holders (fraudsters)

3) – dishonest doctors

listens2glenn on November 13, 2014 at 5:24 PM

Nah, she will just go out into heri vineyard and scream at the illegals picking her grapes…..and she won’t get any satisfaction there either; they will just laugh at her and say .” Mama es muy loco en la cabeza”

Bakokitty on November 13, 2014 at 5:21 PM

hahahaha! Perhaps she will don her wighat and light her broom on fire, torch all those worthless illegals along with her crop. Best thing that could happen is she’d light her own suit and scarf on fire. Those fancy pins she wears look like they’re packed with explosives (diamonds, rubies, emeralds, pearls).

Key West Reader on November 13, 2014 at 5:24 PM

Well maybe Repubs can address specific issues within the ACA, present some ideas, and then offer some solutions?

verbaluce on November 13, 2014 at 3:25 PM

You are absolutely useless to the discussion.

runawayyyy on November 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

You coulda stopped right there.

307wolverine on November 13, 2014 at 6:56 PM

Come on guys, give her a break.
It’s just the Alzheimer’s kicking in.

PonyBoy on November 13, 2014 at 8:16 PM

There is no point in attempting to discuss or debate with a leftist. They will lie and obfuscate as they deem fit; it is part of their game plan. Gruber just made the mistake of feeling safe speaking before audiences of fellow leftist elitists and bragged and laughed about it.

Hey, know who else argued it was a good thing to lie and deceive the people to get things done because they were too stupid for their own good?

V. I. Lenin.

~

There is no sense in arguing with leftists. We should hang them before they get enough power to do it to us. They will never be satisfied with anything less than absolute totalitarian power.

Adjoran on November 13, 2014 at 9:27 PM

If they show this 2009 video to Nancy, she’ll say “Oh! That Jonathan Gruber, I thought you were talking about another Jonathan Gruber that I don’t know”.

Her obtuse behavior is very tedious.

virgo on November 13, 2014 at 9:33 PM

Is Jonathan Gruber the same guy as “Jon Gruber” that blogs as Daring Fireball?

Kerbouchard on November 13, 2014 at 10:04 PM

Pelosi never knew Gruber – even if they were introduced and photographed together. She pays no attention to the peons. I bet she doesn’t even know the names of all her lower-level office staff.

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Plus, she’s dumb as a rock. She rose to leadership by being from a very safe blue district and outlasting others. Pelosi’s seniority had to be honored or it would have caused a civil war in the party for denying a woman the office she ‘deserved.’

~

I believe she had no idea what was in the bill. All she knew was that Democrats had wanted socialized medicine since she was a little girl helping her Dad steal from the citizens of Baltimore. The details never interested Nancy, too many big words and no pictures.

Adjoran on November 13, 2014 at 10:45 PM

Shirotayama on November 13, 2014 at 3:38 PM

It was funny the other time I saw it on HA too. (see comments)

Some things never get old.

AesopFan on November 13, 2014 at 10:48 PM

If they show this 2009 video to Nancy, she’ll say “Oh! That Jonathan Gruber, I thought you were talking about another Jonathan Gruber that I don’t know”.

Her obtuse behavior is very tedious.

virgo on November 13, 2014 at 9:33 PM

She probably knows at least three people named Jonathan Gruber.

AesopFan on November 13, 2014 at 10:49 PM

CNN doesn’t know Jon Gruber either, and I would surmise, neither does NBC, CBS, or ABC.

claudius on November 13, 2014 at 11:20 PM

The Vanishing Commissar, excellent!

claudius on November 13, 2014 at 11:24 PM

After watching that video, I want to hit that b!tch in the face with a 2×4 more than ever.

BallisticBob on November 14, 2014 at 8:05 AM