Gruber video #2: No, really, American voters are stupid; Update: Third video?

posted at 11:01 am on November 12, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Call this Gruber 2: Stupid and Stupider. Jonathan Gruber attempted to escape scrutiny for his October 2013 declaration that Americans are “stupid” and that ObamaCare was designed to exploit that and hide its true nature by saying that he regretted his “off the cuff” comments. “I basically spoke inappropriately,” he told Ronan Farrow, “and I regret having made those comments.”

Last night, though, a second video emerged from the same time period in which Gruber explained that the ACA passed “because the American people are too stupid” to understand the law. Megyn Kelly wondered last night how this squared with Gruber’s mea culpa on that “little-watched MSNBC show”:

ObamaCare architect Jonathan Gruber apparently doesn’t think much of the intelligence of the American people.

A new tape has surfaced showing Gruber, once again, claiming the health care law’s authors took advantage of the “stupid” American public.

The tape, played on Fox News’ “The Kelley File,” showed Gruber speaking at an October 2013 event at Washington University in St. Louis.

Referring to the so-called “Cadillac tax” on high-end health plans, he said: “They proposed it and that passed, because the American people are too stupid to understand the difference.”

Oopsie! Another “speak-o”? Hardly. The architect of the nanny-state takeover of the health insurance industry has a pattern of public remarks about his evaluation of the American public as too stupid to take care of itself. That shouldn’t shock anyone; it’s exactly the same attitude that drives all nanny-state policies. Unfortunately for the current administration, Gruber’s dumb enough to air that opinion in public, multiple times, on camera.

Rep. Trey Gowdy says, “I can’t even get past the irony to get to the arrogance.” Is this really a “smoking gun,” though, or just confirmation about the nature of progressive elitists? Kelly and Gowdy debate that point, but it’s still a fait accompli. It’s an object lesson, Gowdy says, on the dangers of passing “comprehensive” legislation — like immigration reform, for which Republicans can now make Gruber the poster boy for the Obama administration’s credibility.

Update: Either Gruber makes a lot of “speak-os” or he thinks Americans are really dumb …. and therefore exploitable:

“It’s a very clever, you know, basic exploitation of the lack of economic understanding of the American voter,” Gruber, an economist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said during a speech at the University of Rhode Island in November 2012.

He was discussing what is known as the Cadillac tax and how it came into being.

In an effort to add a cost-control measure to Obamacare, former Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, who Gruber called a “hero,” successfully pushed through a 40 percent excise tax on insurance companies for plans that cost more than $10,200 for individuals and $27,000 for families.

This was an alternative to putting a cap on tax breaks employers provide employees for health insurance plans, which, according to Gruber, the public mistook for a tax increase rather than the removal of a tax break.

“You just can’t get through, it’s just politically impossible,” Gruber said during his talk.

Let’s not forget that when Gruber calls voters stupid, it can’t be applied to those who opposed ObamaCare on the very same grounds as he states in these videos. Critics had made these arguments all along about the deceptive structure of the bill, and the lies being told to cover it up. Gruber’s talking about the Obama coalition in these remarks.


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Schadenfreude on November 12, 2014 at 1:39 PM

Maybe. I agree with you that the actions of Roberts and Petraeus were shameful. But stay with the thought-experiment a moment:

The Roberts decision was in late June 2012. If Roberts had blocked the ACA, the hammer might have dropped on Roberts immediately, and with the aid of Barky’s DOJ and the compliant media, he might have been chased from the bench rather quickly. Even if Barky had lost the subsequent election, he would have had remaining almost half a year in which to replace Roberts with a young, hard-left judge of his choosing. With a Dem senate to pass the nominee over minimal GOP objection (want to bet the country on then-minority leader Turtle?), it seems as if there might have been a Hobson’s choice between a terrible healthcare act versus a left-majority Supreme Count. Both are horrible outcomes, but I suspect that the ACA is the less-worse option.

bofh on November 12, 2014 at 2:05 PM

The Dems just got shellacked because of Obamacare. They want this law gone to save their sorry hides. I expect many more things like this will emerge.

txhsmom on November 12, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Rep Gowdy is one of the best and is a Congressional asset to everyone in this country. Just wish he didn’t use Hillary’s exact phrasing “what difference does it make”. Would have been better to change it around a bit to something like “it doesn’t make any difference”. I fear the MSM will bring this back to haunt us. Just sayin’.

nikophil on November 12, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Mitt lost to this turkey. NO mas! – Schadenfreude on November 12, 2014 at 1:03 PM

So did McCain, what is your point?

SC.Charlie on November 12, 2014 at 1:05 PM

That’s your defense? McCain?

Please tell me you’re kidding.

mankai on November 12, 2014 at 2:15 PM

AS bad as this Gruber douche is and the open flagrant disrespect for the people, we all know that the elite think this way about we the people. You would think there’d be more outrage. You all just let me know when its finally time for torches and pitchforks. Doing a bunch of Benito Mussolini’s in the town squares is the only thing I can see that’ll drive home the point that these cretins deserve and have earned.

My pitchfork is sharpened and ready.

44Magnum on November 12, 2014 at 2:16 PM

MIT needs to fire this pompous jerk:

Ms. Contrarian Scientist on November 12, 2014 at 2:18 PM

You all just let me know when its finally time for torches and pitchforks.

My pitchfork is sharpened and ready.

44Magnum

+1000

Ms. Contrarian Scientist on November 12, 2014 at 2:19 PM

Keep in mind the NSA, CIA , FBI and other parts of the Two Party Evil Money Cult are reading here and collecting our IP addresses, our home and office locations this very omens on time.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 12, 2014 at 2:21 PM

“Grubered” is a new verb!

PaCadle

I like it!

Ms. Contrarian Scientist on November 12, 2014 at 2:22 PM

bofh on November 12, 2014 at 2:05 PM

Yes, let’s accept the lesser of the national crookeries, so long as one is lesser than the other.

Roberts modified the text of the law, unprecedented thuggery.

He should have sent it back to congress. All else is fluff and excusing him and the gruberization…

Schadenfreude on November 12, 2014 at 2:23 PM

Gruber is one of the protected ruler class he can do no wrong.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 12, 2014 at 2:26 PM

but as a side note, does this mean Roberts got it right in the SC ruling? Obamacare is a tax and therefore legal?

todler

The Dems had to pretend it wasn’t a tax, because taxes can only be initiated in the House, not the Senate.

Ms. Contrarian Scientist on November 12, 2014 at 2:26 PM

OK, so these elites go to Harvard, MIT, etc., to learn how to lie? This is what makes them intellectually superior to us rubes? HIs parents must be so proud…

MikeinPRCA

MIT needs to re-think Gruber’s employment contract for just this reason.

Ms. Contrarian Scientist on November 12, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Hah, the NY Swines and obama lament that they couldn’t gruberize more of their sheeple.

Schadenfreude on November 12, 2014 at 2:30 PM

We will end up with very near 60 votes in the Senate the two independents as well as any D’s in conservative leaning areas will have being voted out near at all time for the next two years.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 12, 2014 at 2:34 PM

I’ll ask again; how is this not an admission of fraud – both in intent, and in fact?

Midas on November 12, 2014 at 2:34 PM

44Magnum on November 12, 2014 at 2:16 PM

I’m in.

Midas on November 12, 2014 at 2:37 PM

Stupid Canadians, if you don’t get what happened last week, you can have obama now.

In the letter, published on Monday, Richard Brunt – who claims to be from Victoria, B.C. – says that Canadians are confused by the outcome of last week’s U.S. mid-term elections, which saw the Republicans retake control of Congress.

Schadenfreude on November 12, 2014 at 2:38 PM

This is not at all shocking to me.

What is shocking is that it just now surfaces…where were all the R idiots?

Complicit. Period.

Schadenfreude on November 12, 2014 at 11:25 AM

In the Bloomberg article about the guy who found the first video, he expresses the same amazement that the GOP never did the basic legwork to dig up Gruber’s statements and use them as campaign-fodder, never mind the fact that the Media certainly wouldn’t do it.

How many GOP congress-cretins actually support the PPACA, and were glad they didn’t have to vote for it because the Dems were determined to pass it any way they could?

AesopFan on November 12, 2014 at 2:41 PM

Obama will not see or know of this unless his wife leaves Fox News on when he comes back from selling U S out to China and Russia.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 12, 2014 at 2:41 PM

Obergruppenfuehrer Gruber loves him some peasants

kenny on November 12, 2014 at 2:41 PM

One of the Libs’ defences troubles me…some are saying tha Obamacare is now working so, essentially, “no harm, no foul”.

They should not be allowed to get away with that argument. The people have a right to say “No” whether something is or is not good for them. Even if it worked perfectly (which is, of course, another lie) the fact that it passed through deceit makes it illegitimate.

They must not be allowed to use this scurrilous defence.

Blaise on November 12, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Put this in the context of the “campus rape culture” tyranny –Accused student: “Hey, she was okay with it at the time, and she didn’t get pregnant and I didn’t beat her up; so, no harm, no foul.”
Academic mob: “He should not be allowed to get away with that argument. The women have a right to say “No” whether something is or is not good for them. Even if it worked perfectly (no pregnancy, etc) the fact that he seduced her through deceit makes it illegitimate.”

Turn-about is so not what they like to hear.

AesopFan on November 12, 2014 at 2:47 PM

He appears to be very proud of having put one over on the ignorant masses, doesn’t he?

Gruber is one of those book-smart elitists who is a total disaster when it comes to relating to people and functioning in the real world.

Oh well. The “real world” now recognizes him for the pointy-headed, arrogant jackarse he truly is and is laughing at his cluelessness.

That’s gotta hurt. Our intellectual superiors do NOT like to be laughed at.

Meredith on November 12, 2014 at 2:48 PM

The Republicans don’t need to come up with jack-shit. They need to repeal Obamacare, repeal the parts of the medicare act that restricted insurance sales across state lines, and get the hell out of the way. Then and ONLY then will I believe that they are serious about respecting my liberties and following the constitution.

gryphon202 on November 12, 2014 at 11:32 AM

Works for me.
However, it’s much too clear and easy to explain, so it will never be a feasible political solution.
Those stupid voters might expect it to work.

AesopFan on November 12, 2014 at 2:49 PM

The off the cuff remarks excuse might get him ‘off the hook’ after one or even possibly two videos surfacing, but not three. Sorry.

Johnnyreb on November 12, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Unlimited speak-o’s are only available if you are the first Messianic President.

AesopFan on November 12, 2014 at 2:50 PM

My pitchfork is sharpened and ready.

44Magnum

Pitchforks and torches, tar and feathers, rope and lampposts.

Some assembly required.

Closet Optimist on November 12, 2014 at 2:53 PM

Democrats honestly do believe that only their own special uber intelligent Marxist leaders are smart enough to rule America.

oscarwilde on November 12, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Well said.

AesopFan on November 12, 2014 at 2:53 PM

These videos have been around for more than a year and they all of a sudden appear because someone, who is just a blogger finds them and makes them public. That’s what is making this so damn big, along with the fact he is making it very clear what Democrats did in order to get this law passed. He confirms everything that Republicans opponents have been saying from day one.

SC.Charlie on November 12, 2014 at 11:43 AM

Some Republicans in Congress never seemed too keen about saying this.

AesopFan on November 12, 2014 at 2:56 PM

To repeat, there was no real large scale problems before the Dems decided they needed to destroy 1/6th of the National economy by lying to get Obamacare passed. Nothing needs to be done other than go back to what we had.

Johnnyreb on November 12, 2014 at 11:46 AM

Indeed.

AesopFan on November 12, 2014 at 2:56 PM

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 12, 2014 at 2:21 PM

Pfffffftttt! Well, Shyeah, we all know that. We know that they know who we are and what we’re saying. What I am saying is that there’s gonna come a time where the people are gonna go “Hey! SNAP!!!, We tired of that shidt, we’re mad as hell and we aren’t gonna take it anymore”!!!

And the ones that are prone to doing violence are gonna rend flesh man. You and I and everybody in here knows that. The fools perpetrating these brazen deceptions (aka FRAUD) on the american people think they will be able to get away with ANYTHING they want to.

I’m 60 yrs old, and hope like hell that there’s enough real Americans out there that will not let this crap stand.

I know for a fact that the Greatest Generation (WWII aged folk) would already be up Washington DC’s @ss with a hot poker and rolling out the hemp rope.

Hell, I think Obama and clan are hoping against all hope that people storm Capitol Hill so he can declare Martial Law and remain emperor for life.

44Magnum on November 12, 2014 at 3:02 PM

I like it, but a clear definition is needed in order to use it properly. I’ll take a pass at it:

Gru-ber (grú bër) v the purposeful misrepresentation of salient fact, lying about, or other deception directed toward the public for the purpose of enacting fraudulent legislation, regulations, or other government action that is otherwise difficult or impossible to enact. ex. “We will have to aggressively gruber this amnesty bill to keep black voters from knowing how badly this will screw them.”

FNH57 on November 12, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Nice to see a master at work.

AesopFan on November 12, 2014 at 3:12 PM

Anyone find Johnny Gruber’s address?
I’m sure there are many thankful Citizens who would like to visit the home of this great Amerikan.

Sgt Stryker on November 12, 2014 at 3:19 PM

Hey Hollywood Donors, White House Advisor Jonathan Gruber just called you STUPID.

Wake up! And stop giving Democrats money!

wren on November 12, 2014 at 3:19 PM

Barnestormer on November 12, 2014 at 12:32 PM

Yes.

FiveG on November 12, 2014 at 12:38 PM

Yes.

At least be honest here.

HomeoftheBrave on November 12, 2014 at 12:39 PM

Romney isn’t the rock-solid right-wing nut-job some of us would like to elect, but at least he is a competent manager, he knows the international issues and players, and he loves America.
Not every candidate “hits the mark” on every issue.

Review “Arrow’s Paradox” and remember that just about anyone who enters the GOP primary for 2016 will be an improvement over another Dem.

AesopFan on November 12, 2014 at 3:19 PM

The thing is, Gruber is right.

The segment of the voter base that didn’t at least manage a healthy skepticism over something this big, with so many moving parts, being jammed through as fast as it was, really IS ignorant as hell.

Unfortunately, we can assume that’s 52% of those who voted in 2012.

JEM on November 12, 2014 at 3:19 PM

Smart GOP leadership would use these videos to gut (easier than full repeal) Obamacare. Start passing laws to get rid of the mandates, allow for freer choices in the types of coverage needed, and allow the SCOTUS to eliminate the federal subsidy.

Tater Salad on November 12, 2014 at 12:45 PM

When only a shell is left, then repeal what remains, because it’s obviously unworkable.
The Dems wanted to force us into single-(government)-payer when Obamacare “failed”, but that axe swings both ways.
The VA scandal pretty much eliminated their preferred “correction”.

AesopFan on November 12, 2014 at 3:22 PM

Am I missing something here?
I thought that the ACA was shoved down congress’s throat by the Dems without a single republican vote.
I don’t recall the public being given a chance to vote on this. So how are we stupid other than electing idiots like Pelosi and Reid?

PonyBoy on November 12, 2014 at 3:27 PM

GaltBlvnAtty on November 12, 2014 at 12:58 PM

Athos on November 12, 2014 at 1:04 PM

He’s kinda right though. American voters elected Obama to the presidency not once; but twice. That doesn’t exactly say Mensa.

Arnold Yabenson on November 12, 2014 at 1:14 PM

Winner of this category.

Excellent explanation of the legislative lies-fest – Gruber would never approve of something this clear.

AesopFan on November 12, 2014 at 3:31 PM

If Democrats like Obama would stop demogoguing everything proposed by Republicans we could get more good policy passed.

HidetheDecline on November 12, 2014 at 1:21 PM

A good point about Obamacare.
However, the lesson works both directions, assuming any Democrat actually proposes something worthwhile (and there actually are a few who do).

AesopFan on November 12, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Good news, WaPo has noticed one of the three videos. Not finding mention of any of this in the rest of the MSM – unless RCP and Mediaite count.

forest on November 12, 2014 at 1:24 PM

Good point.
We ought to have an approved list of organizations that count as Main Stream Media, so we know when something has broken through the sandbags.

Of course, if we believed in making hard-and-fast lists of things that we disapprove of, we would be left-wingers.

AesopFan on November 12, 2014 at 3:37 PM

If he had blocked the ACA, and the threat was subsequently made good on, he would presumably have been chased from office, possibly even disbarred. Barky would have had the opportunity to appoint another SC judge, but this time to replace a conservative judge. Would that have been a win for America?

bofh on November 12, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Very unlikely.

There still isn’t any settled legal case that says he is guilty of breaking any law; plus, it was not a “high crime or misdemeanor”; nor was it a pernicious felony; it wasn’t even an American law; he was already Chief Justice and the GOP would have no interest in chasing him out; the Dems would get the same kind of backlash that the GOP got in re Clinton’s impeachment (do you really think the American Public would censure Roberts for the adoption?); and you don’t need a law license to be on any federal Court (IIRC).

Plus, everybody but the LIVs now knows about the adoption, and nothing negative has happened; would a man like Roberts really run scared of having it exposed?

I lean more to the “you bought it, you eat it” school of tea-leaf reading, but YMMV.

AesopFan on November 12, 2014 at 3:44 PM

Keep in mind the NSA, CIA , FBI and other parts of the Two Party Evil Money Cult are reading here and collecting our IP addresses, our home and office locations this very omens on time.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 12, 2014 at 2:21 PM

I kinda wondered if that’s why the Colorado IRS is suddenly looking at my tax returns from several years ago…..

dentarthurdent on November 12, 2014 at 3:47 PM

1776 Channel: Jonathan Gruber admits Obamacare election timing, small businesses in crosshairs

http://1776channel.com/2014/11/new-video-jonathan-gruber-admits-election-timing-small-business-targeting/

Radiopatriot on November 12, 2014 at 3:49 PM

I had to come in here to find out more on the story. Hannity was getting repetitive after only a half hour on his radio show.

Decoski on November 12, 2014 at 3:49 PM

When a person says “I am lying” that is a paradox. When he says “I am stupid” one has to believe him.
And this from the architect of the legislation!

daniel34 on November 12, 2014 at 1:38 PM

Gruber probably wasn’t so convinced of the stupidity of the American people as he lets on. The details (and the devil therein) had to be hidden from the voters because they would have seen through it rejected it. Pelosi told us we had to pass the bill to see what was in it, and Obama delayed implementation until after the 2012 elections.

Once we found out what was in it, the lipstick was gone and we were stuck with the pig.

Steve Z on November 12, 2014 at 1:40 PM

Some people did see through it, even with the deceptions.

However, the supporters were stupid enough to take the word of the administration and the MSM (BIRM) instead of actually trying to find out if the opponents were correct.

AesopFan on November 12, 2014 at 3:50 PM

Gruber is a tool of the highest order.

but as a side note, does this mean Roberts got it right in the SC ruling? Obamacare is a tax and therefore legal?

todler on November 12, 2014 at 11:20 AM

Democrats knew they couldn’t sell Obamacare to anyone, even their own base, if they admitted it contained new taxes. So they lied and created nearly impenetrable statutory language designed to make the tax appear to be a penalty. The CBO, operating under its rules, did not score the tax as a tax, but as a penalty. Political mission accomplished. Without having to vote for new taxes, Pelosi and Reid held their caucuses together and rammed it through on party-line votes despite public opposition well above 50%.

Roberts dug deep into the statutory language and recognized the deception. Using a well-established rule of statutory construction, he ignored the deceptive terminology and ruled the so-called penalty (arguably unconstitutional) was in fact a tax (arguably constitutional).

I didn’t like the results any more than most of us, but I read his opinion and saw no reason to infer bad faith. All the speculation that Roberts was blackmailed is just that, speculation. All the hate and anger directed at Roberts should have been directed at the idiots who voted for Obama and Democrats.

The new case, King v. Burwell, has some interesting aspects. The issue is far narrower, whether the statutory language granting subsidies that specifically refers only to state exchanges can be construed by the IRS to include federal exchanges. The government is arguing congressional intent was to include federal exchanges and failing to include them in the language was merely an oversight, but they have a 2 big problems. 1) To raise the issue of intent you must first have sufficient ambiguity that intent cannot be reasonably inferred from the plain language of the statute. There is no ambiguity in the statutory language. 2) Even if they get to intent, there is substantial evidence that federal exchanges were intentionally excluded from the subsidy scheme to force states to establish exchanges.

Furthermore, there is no Circuit split at present. There was one after the DC Circuit panel that didn’t include Obama’s latest post-nuclear option deck-stacking appointees had ruled the statue meant what it plainly says. Directly Obama’s new tools vacated the original 3 judge panel’s ruling and ordered re-hearing en banc, eliminating the split. There is no doubt they intended to rule that the IRS was correct to include federal exchanges in the subsidy scheme in an effort to prevent the Supreme Court from taking up the issue.

The Supreme Court’s decision to take up King in the absence of a circuit split is clearly a backhand to the DC Circuit. At least 4 justices saw what went down, knew where the stacked deck on the DC Circuit was going, and didn’t bother to wait for them to actually do it. They apparently recognize the substitution of politics for proper adjudication and mean to nip it in the bud, perhaps sending a message to the new tools on the DC Circuit that the Court intends to keep them on a short leash. And taking up a case in the absence of a circuit split, particularly after a conflicting ruling has been vacated under suspicious circumstances, strongly infers those justices disagree with the 4th Circuit’s ruling upholding the IRS re-writing of the statute and intend to deal with it before it creates any further problems.

novaculus on November 12, 2014 at 3:54 PM

Keep in mind the NSA, CIA , FBI and other parts of the Two Party Evil Money Cult are reading here and collecting our IP addresses, our home and office locations this very omens on time.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 12, 2014 at 2:21 PM

Moment in time?
I kinda like the omens part, though.

AesopFan on November 12, 2014 at 3:56 PM

1776 Channel: Jonathan Gruber admits Obamacare election timing, small businesses in crosshairs

http://1776channel.com/2014/11/new-video-jonathan-gruber-admits-election-timing-small-business-targeting/

Radiopatriot on November 12, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Boy is Gruber acting stupidly!

fbcmusicman on November 12, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Boy is Gruber acting stupidly!

fbcmusicman on November 12, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Is this a 4th video?

esr1951 on November 12, 2014 at 5:24 PM

Yes, it’s yet another video. And it’s just as bad… if not worse… than the others.

byepartisan on November 12, 2014 at 7:10 PM

The funniest part to me is his lisping queer presentation. What a queen.

Jaibones on November 12, 2014 at 7:21 PM

I think even the libs are starting to wake up…

I work for a big company, and have had very good health insurance for as long as I have worked there. Premiums went up significantly last year, and it was made clear that ACA mandates were a big contributor. This year we have the choice of a plan comparable to what we have had, with premiums that have skyrocketed, or a high-deductable plan with an HSA. We were all told straight out that it is to avoid the ‘Cadillac Tax’ – EVERYONE is grumbling about how it is Obamacare that is causing us to lose our previous plans. All of a sudden lots of people who thought they wouldn’t be affected because we have employer-sponsored plans are waking up – and I’m sure it is happening at many other companies as well.

azblondie on November 12, 2014 at 8:02 PM

Seems like his active deception of the CBO needs to be looked at. For some reason Pelosi and the gang seemed to be more worried about what the CBO said about the bill than what Republicans thought at the time.

If the American people were stupid to vote for Obama, his administration doubled that by failing to see that relying on the excitable nerd Gruber, and his “by any means necessary” hubris, would result in a massive disaster that would keep them out of power for a generation.

This last election proved that they could not even fraud their way through it and now clutch to the last straw of their tactics, to import ready-to-vote illegals in large numbers.

They didn’t count on how large a hole of unpopularity they have made for themselves.

virgo on November 13, 2014 at 1:47 AM

Just like Josef Goebbels of NAZI Germany and Hitler’s Third Reich. When in the hell are we going to throw all of those A$$holes out. The old saying is proven to be true. “They treat us like mushrooms. They feed us bull$hit and keep us in the dark”.

Sorry if I offended anyone on this forum but being tactful is for weenies after this arrogant turd let us know what he thinks about all of American people

hamradio on November 13, 2014 at 2:07 AM

Putting aside this lisping sissy’s nastiness, I keep hearing him call American voters stupid — no problem; it’s irrefutable. They elected Obama.

But every Republican voted against this disaster, and virtually every Democrat voted for it. No Americans got a chance to vote on the bill until 2010, when Republicans crushed Dems and took over the house. In 2012, low-information nitwits once again crawled out of Mom’s basement and re-elected O’Bozo the Clown, but in 2014, we removed another large batch of Obamacare-supporting Dems and took over the Senate.

Who’s stupid?

Jaibones on November 13, 2014 at 6:28 AM

But every Republican voted against this disaster, and virtually every Democrat voted for it. No Americans got a chance to vote on the bill until 2010, when Republicans crushed Dems and took over the house. In 2012, low-information nitwits once again crawled out of Mom’s basement and re-elected O’Bozo the Clown, but in 2014, we removed another large batch of Obamacare-supporting Dems and took over the Senate.

Who’s stupid?

Jaibones on November 13, 2014 at 6:28 AM

Romney voted for Gruber’s work in Mass-uh-chew-sits, Jai. He only distanced himself from Obamacare because it was a political albatross (as the 2014 midterms so aptly demonstrated). It strains credulity to think that Democrats have a monopoly on disdain for the American people.

gryphon202 on November 14, 2014 at 9:31 AM

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